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The holocaust industry got a nice little payout from the Corona Stimulus Bill too. They will be making money off the holocaust past the year 3000.
The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers
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The holocaust industry got a nice little payout from the Corona Stimulus Bill too. They will be making money off the holocaust past the year 3000.
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Same back at you, I explained why the intelligence messages are invalid so why won't you even acknowlague or elaborate-is it that you genuinly don't understand? I can't really explain it moore plainly. Auschwitz since it's in the citation-how did you miss that? The direct account of events and the fact they have little practical reason to do so. Most bodies at the camps where incinerated, but that's tangental to your point.
Question-have you been drinking because you just asked me which camp when it was directly written in your source? You may as well have asked who was the leader of the nazi party as a rhetorical point.
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'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived to claim compensation from the German government.'
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It was all a big misunderstanding. Hitler was really thirsty one day and said "Man, I could murder some juice!" and some tard misheard him.
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There are intercepted reports from more than just Auschwitz, did they all secretly gas new arrivals?
The dreaded Auschwitz where the Red Cross inspected monthly and were allowed to speak to prisoner representatives alone, where not once in any of their reports was their mention of prisoner gassings. You know how many times the Red Cross was allowed to inspect Russian gulags - zero!
Auschwitz where the Russians built a giant fake chimney after the war for propaganda purposes, where the death count has mysteriously dropped from 4 million to 1.1 million (but of course it all still adds up to the mythical 6 million).
Auschwitz, where as late as 1944 they were holding soccer matches involving prisoners and guards, apparently right next to where people being marched to their death without any fences along the way.
Auschwitz, where Anne Frank spent time but was moved to another camp because she was unfit to work, so strange they wouldn't just gas a useless little Jewish girl.
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Probably, but that isnt referanced in your posts or source, so you'd need a suplementry one
The rest is tangental subject material because your core arguement is poor so you have to throw up supplementry bullshit. Have you ever heard of the Gish gallop?
Citation for red cross visiting Auschwitz monthly and finding nothing? It's especially odd because the red Cross have openly stated they where a spectacular failure, they knew what was going on and the Nazi's where engaged in proactive attempts to throw of the red cross.
It has been used by the Auschwitz museum until the 1980s, in then-communist Poland, which exaggerated enemy atrocities for propaganda purposes. Western scholars have never claimed that 4 million people died at Auschwitz, that's just another red herring.
The match/es you referance was with the jews in charge of running the crematorium, the ones kept alive and relatively well for practical reasons which you directly contest is a very bad example to go for. Put it this way If one thing sometime happens does that negate an absolute horror show? Does Stalin occasionally showing mercy or doing nice things does that disprove his purges?
Well Anne frank died in Bergen so she's probably not a very good candidate for Hitler dindu nuffin. But I don't know why she was moved, she clearly wasnt part of the initial gas them group which are known to exist. But it doesnt really disprove anything even if she was anymore than say any genocide survivor disproves genocide attempts. Why do you think her not immediatly being killed disproves the holocaust? You know the conventional account events openly states not everyone was immediatly killed-it's why their are survivors right?
Question-what is it specifically about the Holocaust that made you think "nah" in comparison to pretty much every other historical event?
I think this arguement elaborates on why I have such a low opinion on Holocaust deniers, since I'm typically either doing analysis they should have done themselves or circling really obvious fallacies. I genuinly think I'm thinking for two here.
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You don’t do any analysis and provide no sources for anything you claim. Your argument changes after every point is refuted. You also make a remarkable number of spelling mistakes, is English your second language?
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Uh yes hello, I was told this is where I could find a Federal Agent? Ah yes, @RichardMongler there you are, I see you have got quite the catch here!
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Wish I could find it but search engines are terrible. Especially when you use the word holocaust. It just gives me shitty news articles.
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It's typically the one making the assurtion whose expected to back it up-you're making the claim the holocaust didnt happen so it's you whose expected to back that shit up, also a lot of your arguements are founded on faulty logic so a referance isnt often needed Pointing out spelling errors is the fall back of the desperate especially since you dropped all arguements like a hot potato (again).
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im sorry but the holocaust just didnt happen. jews are not real
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I know this thread is a giant honey pot but there something that really bothers me about Holocaust.
Why is illegal deny or even question the holocaust in most European counties but your free to question other genocides like the Holodormor or the Armenian genocide ?
Take Cenk Ugyer form The Young Turks for example, the guy fully denies the Armenian genocide. Yes you say that they ignore it cause he plays for the right team and yes the Armenian community dose give him a lot of shit for it (and right fully so). But i'll feel like if denied certain other genocide his show wouldn't have lasted very long.
I personally don't care if the Nazis have killed six or six million j.ews but i hate all the special treatment there genocide gets.
Ether there all illegal to deny or none of the them are.
Why is illegal deny or even question the holocaust in most European counties but your free to question other genocides like the Holodormor or the Armenian genocide ?
Take Cenk Ugyer form The Young Turks for example, the guy fully denies the Armenian genocide. Yes you say that they ignore it cause he plays for the right team and yes the Armenian community dose give him a lot of shit for it (and right fully so). But i'll feel like if denied certain other genocide his show wouldn't have lasted very long.
I personally don't care if the Nazis have killed six or six million j.ews but i hate all the special treatment there genocide gets.
Ether there all illegal to deny or none of the them are.
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Skimming Wikipedia, it appears that the Holocaust denial laws fall under several categories:
1. Generic hate speech law: Holocaust denial is considered incitement of racial and/or religious hatred
2. Genocide denial law: a country makes it illegal to deny any genocide
3. Rememberance of atrocities: several countries like Czechia and Poland make it illegal to deny the atrocities committed on their soil, whether it be communist or fascist
4. Support of Nazism: Germany and Israel, to name a few, have made it illegal to support the ideology and actions of the Nazi party.
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Well Cenks an American so can deny the Holocaust as much as he wants. I'd personally find it quite funny if he did since he's already big on dog fucking and Armenians getting buried alive
The short answer is misguided fear of nazism resuragance which isnt really an issue with other genocides or pogroms, it's not like we're going to start burning women if their's salem denial movement because everyone knows magic is bullshit.
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A lot of resources around the last two years of the war were scarce, even if firing squads were accepted practice for extermination they wouldn't have wasted such a valuable resource on the camps.
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The Jewish population of all of Europe at the time was at most 9 million. Even if the majority lived in German-controlled areas, I just don't see it happening. Also much, much worse things happened to disabled children under Nazi doctors than anything that actually happened to Jews in those camps
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Something that just crossed my mind, are the archives of all the messages intercepted between the camps publicly viewable or accessible via universities? One of the major contesting points of Anne Frank diaries is the fact they were altered at some point by penmanship that wasn't hers. A lot of nazi officials signed their names to non encrypted letters, and even for type writers you would have gotten consistent errors that might identify who typed them out.
If nobody had done this or all the evidence showcased at the nurenburg trials are under lock and key, then who is to say that there wasn't fake evidence thrown in to help justify hanging every Nazi they could. If the nurenburg trials went the way they were originally debating every participant in the nazi party from the highest officers to the conscripted solders would have been executed.
Another interesting tidbit, most of the death camps and killing fields were located on the soviet controlled side of Germany during occupation. Considering we really didn't get to see much of the holocaust itself until the 60s onward, there is a possibility of fabricated evidence from the soviets as propaganda against their 'former' bitter enemy, or even projecting the crimes they committed themselves.
This isn't a post regarding denial before you rail me, this is a post regarding the fact the more you dive into it details fall apart. The Zyclon B extremely dangerous to use in the facilities they had, the insane logistics required to process 6-8 million Jewish people plus millions more, the time frames from trains arriving to said prisoners getting gassed, little details left and right not adding up when you put them together.
The big question is, what really happened and WHY did it happen in the ways it did. I won't accept the excuse that Hitler had daddy and art school issues to wage genocide on a industrial scale.
If nobody had done this or all the evidence showcased at the nurenburg trials are under lock and key, then who is to say that there wasn't fake evidence thrown in to help justify hanging every Nazi they could. If the nurenburg trials went the way they were originally debating every participant in the nazi party from the highest officers to the conscripted solders would have been executed.
Another interesting tidbit, most of the death camps and killing fields were located on the soviet controlled side of Germany during occupation. Considering we really didn't get to see much of the holocaust itself until the 60s onward, there is a possibility of fabricated evidence from the soviets as propaganda against their 'former' bitter enemy, or even projecting the crimes they committed themselves.
This isn't a post regarding denial before you rail me, this is a post regarding the fact the more you dive into it details fall apart. The Zyclon B extremely dangerous to use in the facilities they had, the insane logistics required to process 6-8 million Jewish people plus millions more, the time frames from trains arriving to said prisoners getting gassed, little details left and right not adding up when you put them together.
The big question is, what really happened and WHY did it happen in the ways it did. I won't accept the excuse that Hitler had daddy and art school issues to wage genocide on a industrial scale.
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The decision to terrorize and oppress people instead of unite them against the USSR really crippled the Axis battle plan. A few extremists and illiterate amoral peasants fell in line but your average socially conservative slav just couldn't tolerate the brutality.
Hitler saw the capitulation after ww1 so he wanted to maintain the German standard of living during the war. They didn't ration like they should have and refused to have women work so they enslaved people. Of course, their ideology was also entirely about subjugating lesser races.
This is undeniable. Most scholars deny the human-skin lampshades claim made by Soviet propaganda. Most of the Soviet footage of the camps only exists because they had to drag the Jews back into the camps and have them perform. Their initial liberation was just to open the doors and tell them to go.
The camps were in the East because that was where the war was. Slave labor is transported near the front so that it can produce for the front. France was more of a resting place until 1944.
German guilt and an obsession with making it sure it never happened again.
It's probably also the best documented genocide. Americans saw it first hand rather than second-hand through refugees. American evangelicals were putting Jews on a pedestal before the holocaust and it is no surprise that they did so afterwards. It's usually them who advocate for hate speech laws in the US.
Turkey actually bans people from acknowledging the Armenian genocide happened and punishes people living in Turkey for what their family abroad says.
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The holocaust gave 11 million people prickly-wicklies.
In law they say there are no perfect witnesses. AF was a teen. A snarky teen, a horny teen, a teen who fought with her parents. Just a regular girl writing her private thoughts down. Not intending at first to be a witness to history.
Anne Frank's father edited out, or sometimes cut out and presumably burned pages that he thought would put his family personally in a bad light (not the Heebz as a whole)
In law they say there are no perfect witnesses. AF was a teen. A snarky teen, a horny teen, a teen who fought with her parents. Just a regular girl writing her private thoughts down. Not intending at first to be a witness to history.
Anne Frank's father edited out, or sometimes cut out and presumably burned pages that he thought would put his family personally in a bad light (not the Heebz as a whole)
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