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When will this Covid-1984 nightmare ever going to end. I am tried of living in fear of getting the coof whenever I go outside.

Our Boomer Overlords wont let us. The Boomers and Gen X have lived dumb and happy their entire lives. The only speed bump they had was the Vietnam War and for our Boomer leadership there was NO danger of that ever inconveniencing them. That was a risk for the Plebes. They got waivers.

Corona has really laid a stark generational divide here. Especially when it comes to risk assessment. People knock the millenials as self centered, but the millenials are also the children on 9-11, and in the case of America, Canada, Australia and Britain specifically, were the generation to VOLUNTEER to fight the wars that followed. They also endured the great recession that occurred literally as the majority of them tried to enter the work force.

Everything I am seeing indicates the 18-40 crowd wants to get on with things. As does the low class "white trash" boomers. I.e, the vietnam veterans. The ones who dont are the coddled elite boomers. The ones in charge right now. Their fear and absolutely arrogant lack of perspective is obvious to EVERYONE.

They dodged the draft in the 60s cuz they "were too important" and now they think the rest of us need to sacrifice our own well being to save them from corona-chan cuz "they are too importsnt."
 
As someone pointed out, either Tim Pool, Sargon, Styx... one of them pointed out that there's a lot of people out there that desperately want this lockdown to continue on forever because they're getting unemployment and HATE their jobs. This is beyond the starbux marxists who think if they crash the US economy hard enough we HAVE to give them their cultural revolution.

I have to admit feeling the same way at times -- wishing I could just not work and have the coof excuse, that is; it should be legal to hunt Marxists for sport as a form of self defense -- even though I'm not receiving UI, thanks to being able to telecommute.

The push from this shouldn't be for UBI or unemployment. The real push should be about telecommuting. Tons of jobs, especially in the cities, can be done telecommuting. There's no reason wagies should be wasting 2 hours commuting to an arbitrary building in a downtown area when their job can likely be done online.

Yes, this. I worry that after this, we're going to see a lot of middle managers desperately demanding people come into the office and waste time just so they can justify their own jobs.

At the same time, I certainly hope we see a bunch of companies realize they don't NEED that stupidly expensive NYC office space and can just have a small office somewhere else.

One of my clients is simply setting up empty desks with monitors, Keybaords and Mice.... and a docking station. Everyone can just work at home and if they want to come into the office for a meeting or if their internet cuts out or something similar, they can. Just come in and pick a random desk -- there's some debate on if it'll be "your desk" or if it's going to be something similar to an open floor plan -- and work. Or work from home.

I honestly feel that this might be the death knell for some of the urban bugman hives. If you can telecommute from say, Tennessee or Ohio and buy a house for $100k that would cost you $3000k in New York, all while having no commute vs wasting hours each day... while also being able to switch jobs without having to uproot your family, while also being able to see your family all day...

That's not a tough sell.

But it'll screw over worthless middle managers, the property owners, and the banks, so, we'll see how it goes.

Similar thing with public school, I feel. Don't remember if it was Styx or someone in here that was talking about it, but you're seeing a LOT of parents realizing that the telecommuting classes for public schools are... kinda fucking worthless. And some of them are realizing that it's the classes themselves, not the telecommuting part, that's the problem.

Of course, if the Cultural Marxists in our society lose the indoctrination centers that is public education, well... They aren't going to take that lying down. Hence why you have the very important people(tm), the alpha marxist types at Harvard and Yale and the like, already raising the red flag to try and get the ADL and SPLC involved, to try and condition parents away from the idea. Public school is daycare, but it's poisoned daycare that teaches kids leftist values. It was NEVER meant to do so.

It really feels like the next few years are going to be huge paradigm shifts in our culture... but I'm trying not to get my hopes up. Too many people's power, wealth, and influence are dependent on things NOT changing.
 
This is the most salient, intelligent, logical take I've seen on Coronavirus from a hospital (outside the CA Urgent care docs).

Yealy said he can’t predict if there will be a second wave, but said “What I suspect is COVID-19 will be a part of our experience treating patients for an extended [period of] months to maybe years.”


Yealy was asked whether people should worry about COVID-19 more than the regular flu. He said people should be “worried differently," pointing out that both take their heaviest toll on the elderly, especially nursing home residents, and people weakened by other medical conditions.


Yealy said he “would not think of it as more or less, just two different illnesses that share some features, but have some distinct differences."

Sackrowitz said she expects COVID-19 will be part of the ongoing “disease burden” affecting Americans and, as with the flu, doctors will find treatments.

Archive.

This is the best summary of this virus. It's not as bad as was sold to us. Life cannot stop because of a virus. It's not exactly the same as the flu, it requires a different approach. It will be a part of the disease burden, but so are a lot of things. Doctors WILL find treatments and are. So get over it and get on with it.
 
Gen X have lived dumb and happy their entire lives.
As opposed to shitheads who lived their whole lives with cellphones, cable tv, internet and instant gratification? Boomers went to Woodstock, GenX set Woodstock on fire. Younger generations had parental supervision to keep them in the house doing retarded shit online. You're soft. /oldsperg

 
My job I got laid off from (Fuck you Red China) had a 100% remote working policy which I did use to my full advantage. I realized I hated working at home for the aforementioned but working at coffee shops was just as productive as being in the office. I did also work at a company that had a results first attitude, but not all industries have that flexibility.

One thing you miss out 100% I realized in working from home a lot is not getting face time with people which in my opinion is 100% essential to getting ahead in a company in my opinion. Plus sometimes it's way easier to talk out a problem or issue with people face to face and not have to corral people into yet another google hangout with screen shares and all of that bullshit.

Our Boomer Overlords wont let us. The Boomers and Gen X have lived dumb and happy their entire lives. The only speed bump they had was the Vietnam War and for our Boomer leadership there was NO danger of that ever inconveniencing them. That was a risk for the Plebes. They got waivers.

Corona has really laid a stark generational divide here. Especially when it comes to risk assessment. People knock the millenials as self centered, but the millenials are also the children on 9-11, and in the case of America, Canada, Australia and Britain specifically, were the generation to VOLUNTEER to fight the wars that followed. They also endured the great recession that occurred literally as the majority of them tried to enter the work force.


Everything I am seeing indicates the 18-40 crowd wants to get on with things. As does the low class "white trash" boomers. I.e, the vietnam veterans. The ones who dont are the coddled elite boomers. The ones in charge right now. Their fear and absolutely arrogant lack of perspective is obvious to EVERYONE.

They dodged the draft in the 60s cuz they "were too important" and now they think the rest of us need to sacrifice our own well being to save them from corona-chan cuz "they are too importsnt."

There's something really fucking disgusting I find about leftoids, especially the well off ones trying to obstruct commerce and private business and like many other working millennials just want this shit to end and things to go back to normal. "Free enterprise" should seriously be added to the "God, country, family" slogan.
 
Our Boomer Overlords wont let us. The Boomers and Gen X have lived dumb and happy their entire lives. The only speed bump they had was the Vietnam War and for our Boomer leadership there was NO danger of that ever inconveniencing them. That was a risk for the Plebes. They got waivers.

Corona has really laid a stark generational divide here. Especially when it comes to risk assessment. People knock the millenials as self centered, but the millenials are also the children on 9-11, and in the case of America, Canada, Australia and Britain specifically, were the generation to VOLUNTEER to fight the wars that followed. They also endured the great recession that occurred literally as the majority of them tried to enter the work force.

Everything I am seeing indicates the 18-40 crowd wants to get on with things. As does the low class "white trash" boomers. I.e, the vietnam veterans. The ones who dont are the coddled elite boomers. The ones in charge right now. Their fear and absolutely arrogant lack of perspective is obvious to EVERYONE.

They dodged the draft in the 60s cuz they "were too important" and now they think the rest of us need to sacrifice our own well being to save them from corona-chan cuz "they are too importsnt."


Time out.

I'm a boomer. I only wish I could have lived dumb and happy my whole life. I didn't dodge the draft. I volunteered, served over twenty years. Let's not tar everyone of every generation with the same brush. And not all boomers avoided Vietnam. There's a wall in Washington, DC with the names of thousands of boomers who gave everything in Vietnam.

You are absolutely correct that it was the millennials who volunteered to fight in the wars after 9-11. However, the vast majority of the commissioned officers and senior noncommissioned officers to whom these millennials were entrusted were boomers. Still a few left, very few, very senior. Team effort, all generations.

I also want to get on with things. I'm appalled at the power trips some of these Hitler wannabes, most of whom are boomers, are on.

But let's not forget there are still a lot of boomers helping to keep the country going - doctors, nurses, truck drivers, utility plant workers, grocery store employees. And as we're seeing, the ChiCom flu takes a toll of all age groups, to varying extents.

Couple of other thoughts - ya, the more I read about the tracking app the happier I am with my old flip phone, turned on only when needed.

Lastly, in a whole bunch of states where the population has been put under house arrest only a limited number of people have been able to work and have state income tax, where applicable, taken out. Purchases of taxable items are down considerably, meaning less sales/gasoline/etc. tax. So much less revenue for these little Hitlers. Let me guess....they will ask Washington for money. No fucks given. Hey, they put their people on house arrest, now they can deal with the financial hole. Many of the jobless in states under house arrest also got little or no income during this time, except maybe a stimulus check. And you know it would be utterly futile for these workers to ask Washington to make them whole financially. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Have heard of city budget people in tears over the prospect of having to lay off employees. So? There have been a lot of people in tears after being laid off and now having to worry how to feed their family. Nobody in government has shed a single tear for these people.
 
Time out.

I'm a boomer. I only wish I could have lived dumb and happy my whole life. I didn't dodge the draft. I volunteered, served over twenty years. Let's not tar everyone of every generation with the same brush. And not all boomers avoided Vietnam. There's a wall in Washington, DC with the names of thousands of boomers who gave everything in Vietnam.

You are absolutely correct that it was the millennials who volunteered to fight in the wars after 9-11. However, the vast majority of the commissioned officers and senior noncommissioned officers to whom these millennials were entrusted were boomers. Still a few left, very few, very senior. Team effort, all generations.

I also want to get on with things. I'm appalled at the power trips some of these Hitler wannabes, most of whom are boomers, are on.

But let's not forget there are still a lot of boomers helping to keep the country going - doctors, nurses, truck drivers, utility plant workers, grocery store employees. And as we're seeing, the ChiCom flu takes a toll of all age groups, to varying extents.

Couple of other thoughts - ya, the more I read about the tracking app the happier I am with my old flip phone, turned on only when needed.

Lastly, in a whole bunch of states where the population has been put under house arrest only a limited number of people have been able to work and have state income tax, where applicable, taken out. Purchases of taxable items are down considerably, meaning less sales/gasoline/etc. tax. So much less revenue for these little Hitlers. Let me guess....they will ask Washington for money. No fucks given. Hey, they put their people on house arrest, now they can deal with the financial hole. Many of the jobless in states under house arrest also got little or no income during this time, except maybe a stimulus check. And you know it would be utterly futile for these workers to ask Washington to make them whole financially. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Have heard of city budget people in tears over the prospect of having to lay off employees. So? There have been a lot of people in tears after being laid off and now having to worry how to feed their family. Nobody in government has shed a single tear for these people.

Reread what I said. I make a hard distinction between boomers and the boomers IN CHARGE. You understand. You had to take the stones of life. Our Boomer OVERLORDS on the other hand never did. When their number got pulled for the draft mommy and daddy were there with the waiver. We are the first republic in human history where our leadership is drawn almost exclusively from the cowards who fled the fire of the last war.

And its showing right now. Even Trump is a draft dodger let's not forget.
 
Reread what I said. I make a hard distinction between boomers and the boomers IN CHARGE. You understand. You had to take the stones of life. Our Boomer OVERLORDS on the other hand never did. When their number got pulled for the draft mommy and daddy were there with the waiver. We are the first republic in human history where our leadership is drawn almost exclusively from the cowards who fled the fire of the last war.

And its showing right now. Even Trump is a draft dodger let's not forget.


And so was Bill Clinton. I don't consider anyone my overlord. Fuck that and fuck them. Would also add that there's a growing number of Middle East war vets in Congress.
 
The virus is not as bad as they are saying so we are crashing the economy for it makes sense.

Or

Its a legitimate issue they are having a hard time to figure out what they should do.

Considering places all over the world are already starting to open stuff up as we speak, I think there's a distinct possibility that the answer might be "the virus may not be as bad as they were saying, so we're trying to keep from completely crashing the economy".

This isn't some binary thing. There's a whole spectrum of possibilities between "totes nbd, dude" and "oh my god we're all dying". We can already see that every expert has adjusted their estimates multiple times, almost 100% of the time in one direction (and it isn't in the "we're all going to die" direction). So, unless we're going to make the assumption that every government in the world has access to totally super duper secret information that's only available to the highest of all elites, odds are pretty good we know how fucked we currently are.
 
And so was Bill Clinton. I don't consider anyone my overlord. Fuck that and fuck them. Would also add that there's a growing number of Middle East war vets in Congress.

Not enough. McConnell, schumer and Pelosi still rule that roost. It will be a decade or two yet before we see a generational shift in congressional leadership. Ffs, the average age of senior leadership for the democratic party is the mid 70s. The Republican party by contrast has an average of the mid 60s, which is skewed hard by Trumps age. Take him out of the equation and the Republicans are almost 3 decades younger then the democrats. An interesting statistic that.
 
Did anyone else see this Maine restaurant owner give out the governor’s (alleged) cell phone number out live on Tucker’s show tonight? :heart-full: Wish I lived close enough to support his restaurant.

EDIT: Realized the Youtube link above has the phone number part cut out, unsurprisingly. The Daily Beast has the full clip up though. Archived the news page but on mobile, so if someone could archive the video, that would be appreciated. I have a feeling it may disappear. Also is there a good way to archive videos from mobile or no?

IME the thing holding back working from home isnt boomers. The holdback is management. In technical fields, the ones that seem to always get promoted to management fall into 3 catagories:

1. The truly technical people who earn the respect of middle management and are moved into a low management position as a reward
2. The nepotistic ass lickers who crawl up managements butt, being buddy buddy while fucking off from their normal job
3. The re.tarded mongrels that can barely do their job, or fuck up not bad enough for instant termination but bad enough you cant leave them where they are, so you throw them into management to hide them.

All 3 of these categories have the same problem. They have NO FUCKING CLUE how to manage people. They dont know how to keep employees motivated or how to treat their employees as people instead of cogs in a machine. They are TERRIFIED of working from home, either because they wouldnt be able to helicopter their workers or cant think of ways they could justify their positions if they couldnt harass their employees with petty power moves every day. The control freaks couldnt make sure their employees have their noses stuffed into work for precisely 8 hours per day.

This behavior will never change, its systemic to workplaces. The ones who could change it are on the top, but they are all numbskulls who have no idea how their companies actually run, and they beat down anyone competent who could threaten their positions of power by making a logical suggestion. And so the world turns.

There are also legitimate concerns. People's demeanor changes when they are at home. You get distracted by kids, pets, and life. You dont sit for 8 hours doing nothing but working, many find the lack of structure that comes with working from home to be detrimental to their work output. Many also struggle with mixing life and work, since there is no longer a clear divide between "home" and "office". And of course, if you work from home there is no reason you cant be on call 24/7, since you no longer have to go into the office, and its much harder to gauge how much work can be done in a day when everyone is working remotely. Be careful what you wish for and all that.
My job I got laid off from (Fuck you Red China) had a 100% remote working policy which I did use to my full advantage. I realized I hated working at home for the aforementioned but working at coffee shops was just as productive as being in the office. I did also work at a company that had a results first attitude, but not all industries have that flexibility.

One thing you miss out 100% I realized in working from home a lot is not getting face time with people which in my opinion is 100% essential to getting ahead in a company in my opinion. Plus sometimes it's way easier to talk out a problem or issue with people face to face and not have to corral people into yet another google hangout with screen shares and all of that bullshit.

I’m fortunate to be in a fully remote role and was well before this hit. It happens that it’s an arrangement that works well for me since most people in the office are annoying. However, as mentioned, the drawbacks of being connected all the time and not getting face to face time with people who make promotion decisions, for example, are tough. It’s not for everyone, but it would be a plus to see more flexibility in remote work coming out of this. Even if someone might not want to be fully remote, I suspect most would like the option to work from home a couple days a week.
 
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Considering places all over the world are already starting to open stuff up as we speak, I think there's a distinct possibility that the answer might be "the virus may not be as bad as they were saying, so we're trying to keep from completely crashing the economy".

This isn't some binary thing. There's a whole spectrum of possibilities between "totes nbd, dude" and "oh my god we're all dying". We can already see that every expert has adjusted their estimates multiple times, almost 100% of the time in one direction (and it isn't in the "we're all going to die" direction). So, unless we're going to make the assumption that every government in the world has access to totally super duper secret information that's only available to the highest of all elites, odds are pretty good we know how fucked we currently are.

The opening up is being done in phases as I mentioned in a previous post.

I been looking at various countries and they all seem to have similar plans for reopening. They are laid out in phases. In order to enter the initial phase and beyond countries must have met certain milestones in order to proceed forward such as,

Consistently lowered number of new cases daily
Ramped up efforts for contact tracing
Wearing masks in public
Available hospital space and medical equipment including PPE

Each phase in the rubric will slowly lift restrictions. The final phase will still have minor restrictions and most countries will "hold" in the final phase until the virus resolves itself.
 
This brings up a good point. The phrasing there (not yours, the common phrasing) is more than a bit disingenuous and is using the medias shady language. Is an individual who has displayed no symptoms or suffered any indications of illness a "Confirmed case"? Is someone who has never been a "Patient" a "Medical Case"? They are trying to measure for the full spread of what is turning out to be a remarkably benign virus within the wider population. But they are deliberately scaring you by using the term "Confirmed Case!" It's a Bullshit use of language in order to drum up an emotional response and make you fear for your life so you do whatever the "experts" say.
I believe anyone who tests positive is considered a case. Many people probably assume a case to be someone who exhibits symptoms and tests positive.
 
I'm sadly not seeing an outcome by the end of this where it's a net positive compared to how things were before. For example, if these exceptional lockdowns continue on much longer, small/family businesses will be almost entirely annihilated while some of the already gargantuan mega corps are actively thriving from this (namely Amazon). And even if some do fall, they'll just be bailed out like they have been every other time. No such luck for the already-on-death's-door mom and pop stores.

To say nothing of the very last remnants of this thing called "privacy" being swiftly eliminated worldwide as we speak. Get ready for China's social scoring bullshit to be a universal addition to daily life. Hell, I actively dread the very idea of a COVID vaccine because that gives them the extra excuse to do who knows what to track our very bodies everywhere we go (Mark of the Beast microchip anyone?). And they'd make sure everyone gets tagged by fearmongering the vaccine into law.

When this all started I was optimistic that the whole pandemic situation would get people to wake up and finally turn the tide against the absolute toilet swirl everything's been rapidly flushing down, but now it's clear that the programming was done just effectively enough by this point that people are staring 1984 directly in the face and opening their arms wide to give it a big bear hug.

I know I know, doomer posting but, this shit's been eating away at me for weeks now. I just don't have much hope left in the grand scheme of things...
 
No I wish things to be returned back to normal as soon as possible. My route for it is following. What I am being told to do, not because I want to but because it is going to be the fastest route. Crying about it won't help. I understand that freedom in life is a privilege. I do not lie to myself thinking I have any real say in the matter. Americans are beginning to wake up on this matter sure you can say what you want without going to jail but a minor cough happens and now your movement is now regulated by the state. Huh seems like your rights never existed. Keep thinking you can enact change in any real sense its hilarious.

OK, bootlicker.
 
You didn't answer the question about your employment status

Does it really matter lets be honest the argument is about weather this is a problem or not obviously it is tinged with heavy biases. I am constantly trying to play devils advocate in a thread that prior to lockdown events became populated with 10 or so upset individuals that are being impacted hard by the current situation which I feel for but sometimes things they say are either factually wrong or they think things are going to be normal which is just not the case so they will learn the hard way. I could just play their self centered game and cop all the positive ratings or I could challenge ideas and hopefully make someone think the current situation isn't an absolute.
 
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