Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Richardface]

Today is the 1st of May. I was expecting violent riots and protests by the usual suspects today about how the governments of the world are keeping workers under house arrest.

Instead, we got online demonstrations on fucking Facebook.

To paraphrase Revenge of the Sith, "This is how democracy dies, with a bunch of Facebook likes."

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[Benisinbagina]

Those numbers are high any epidemic faces the same issue of under reporting not everyone makes it for the test. What is your point these numbers are staggering. Imagine Flu numbers in the event we locked down and quarantined they would be minuscule.

Shits worse then regular and more people are dying under lockdown conditions which you would assume less people would die during a lockdown, and we are in lockdown mode. Use your brain. It's really not that hard.

Infect yourself with the coof. You'll get paid for being part of making a vaccine and if you die you can do it secure in the knowledge that you were right.

 

[Unog]

Cope Harder.

I know new words are fun and all, but you keep using that word like a boomer who's just seen it on a meme for the first time.

It doesn't mean whatever you think it means.

 

[ZMOT]

This isn't some binary thing. There's a whole spectrum of possibilities between "totes nbd, dude" and "oh my god we're all dying". We can already see that every expert has adjusted their estimates multiple times, almost 100% of the time in one direction (and it isn't in the "we're all going to die" direction). So, unless we're going to make the assumption that every government in the world has access to totally super duper secret information that's only available to the highest of all elites, odds are pretty good we know how fucked we currently are.

it's not just the information, but how that information is perceived, that's why I called it mass hysteria early on. even if the virus is a nothingburger less deadly than the flu it doesn't mean much if it crashes the health system with no survivors because everybody is afraid of getting the coughing plague, and on a big enough scale has economic effects whether you want them or not. half the population staying at home for legit or imagined reason? doesn't matter, you're out 50% of your work force.

I agree there was valid concern because in the beginning no one had any clue wtf is even happening, you can't trust what china says and all you had to go on was the CCP literally driving their economy against the wall for some reason (which also went against the whole "china numba wan" rhetoric, so it was even more eyebrow-raising).
and even if trump would've said we have the numbers, people will die (but they do so every year to more stuff than corona), who would've believed him? who would've taken it objectively and reacted accordingly? and that's without the MSM trying to whip people into a frenzy or the democrats trying to exploit it for political gain.
at least this way everything was shut down in a somewhat controlled matter, but that means it's a lot less messier when everything could've crashed and burned on it's own.

what's gonna be interesting is how people will look back at the end and what their analysis will be, not just economically etc but for society at large.

When this all started I was optimistic that the whole pandemic situation would get people to wake up and finally turn the tide against the absolute toilet swirl everything's been rapidly flushing down, but now it's clear that the programming was done just effectively enough by this point that people are staring 1984 directly in the face and opening their arms wide to give it a big bear hug.

I know I know, doomer posting but, this shit's been eating away at me for weeks now. I just don't have much hope left in the grand scheme of things...

eh, I'm still somewhat optimistic, and I'm a pessimist at heart. can't be worse than before. economically people have been warned of a big crash for a while now (which even in the best case is gonna happen one way or another, it's just how the system works) which would've had a lot worse and prolonged effects instead of dismantling the jenga tower and building up again. sure, people lost their jobs and businesses closed, which does suck but it was inevitable on way or another, but the conditions to get out of it are much better now - even if it does royally suck on an individual level.

will it provide the shake-up and slap in the face some people needed? too early to tell. however it surely shined a light on a lot of shit people would've rather blissfully ignored till shit hit the fan for good, like a tooth that doesn't hurt yet.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Sanity 4 Sweden is cheered by the escalating global lockdown protests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLxrcrLIJP8

https://archive.vn/OtYMK

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Seriously fuck this mask shit. It's just making it worse. I've mentioned people touching their masks...shit today saw a 30 something guy take his mask off delicately by the ear strap...then proceed to fold the fucker into fourths and stuff it in his jeans pocket. Then he got into his truck, took the lid off a pepsi and started drinking. This is just fucking stupid at this point.

Ah yes. I also remember the first time I witnessed one of my classmates carefuly take off his PPE following the instructions to perfection, then curl it into a ball, slathering his hands with the surface of the mask and gloves, and throw it at the bin like a basketball then proudly proclaim "canasta."

It's one of these transcendent experiences that changes your life forever. Like when a monk finds god. Except instead of meeting a deity you meet the abyss of human stupidity. And it stares back.

It's good that this thread has a pet doomer again, now that Drain Todger has licked his last doornob.

Every ship needs a ship's cat and every Kiwi Farms Happenings thread needs a pet doomer.

No! Not Todger! Anyone but Todger! NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Those numbers are high any epidemic faces the same issue of under reporting not everyone makes it for the test. What is your point these numbers are staggering. Imagine Flu numbers in the event we locked down and quarantined they would be minuscule.

Your number that you hap-hazardly dredged up was off by a factor of anywhere from 20-76x.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Powder Puff Gorl]

The article I posted was a doctor's opinion. Various doctors.

If you want to get to the brass tacks of this, medicine isn't my area of expertise, but geopolitics is.
This whole little experience we just lived through had very little to do with a virus and everything to do with politics and warfare.

This virus didn't happen by happy accident in a wet market. This virus was lab born and released, whether by fortune or accident. Regardless, China has been gearing up to do something like this for a very long time.
Why do you think there's so much extra activity in the South China Sea atm? Why do you think Kim Jong Un has been magically spirited away somewhere? Why, when pressed by Australia, does China flip its shit and threaten a bunch of economic powerplays? Why did this virus magically release in 2020, election year? Why did lockdowns come as the go-to method and why is it mostly effecting the West and it's allies the hardest?

When it first came out, a lot of people in government, at least in the AP region, were operating on a security basis. That's why you had Taiwan, SK etc not shut down their economies. They knew if this was bioterrorism, they had to keep their economies moving, because you can't fight a war when you're poor.

Other countries had other tactics. Other countries trusted "experts" over their intel. Those "experts", especially in Australia and New Zealand have deep ties to Chinese money. These are research associations that get the majority of their grants from China. They were wrongly trusted.

We only have to look at the WHO and see how it's acted as a front for the CCP in this.

China built a warship whilst Wuhan was in lockdown. I wonder why that was?
They've also been withholding the flow along the Mekong River. Effectively turning the lower basins to dust - impacting Thailand, Laos and Vietnam greatly. This article is from earlier this month. What they've been doing has been building to a fever pitch culminating during this virus "crisis".

China has their 50 cent gang primed to act during this "crisis". They know America is already divided due to Trump and they knew that democratic govs would use this crisis to wage their own personal wars with Trump, leaving the nation even more divided. No one is paying attention to China, they're all fighting with each other, demanding that the economy doesn't start back up to win political points for their team.

So why did you have economies crash over a virus? You didn't.
You had a novel virus, that we were sold as being SARS, but more transmissive, who's entire narrative was being controlled by China and funneled through a veneer of credibility in the WHO.
This is a new type of warfare with China we're living, whilst we deal with a virus that's got a low IFR, but is being co-opted by bad actors in our midst as a means to wage their own personal wars, all the while China is exploiting the fuck out of it. China's goal was to crash economies. They exploited the stupidity of countries and their political climates via a virus as a means to do it.

Everything that doctor said, that was in that article is correct. The virus is something we can manage. The goal now needs to be to restart economies, because you cannot manage an economic war with China if you're completely broke.

Thank you for this explanation. It explains a lot, including all the coordinated CCP propaganda that's been flying around. I do think even though China's been preparing a lot of this, they shot themselves in the foot a bit too. Then again, they didn't expect we'd have a president who would try to reduce trade with them, call them out for lying about statistics and information, withhold funding from WHO, etc. (Insert obligatory, overused phrase "It was HER turn").

TERM LIMITS.
TERM FUCKING LIMITS

That will never happen barring a miracle. There are plenty of die hard conservative voters who don't agree with term limits, and we know liberals will never back it. While on the subject of miracles, the best we can do is vote out career politicians and vote in people who actually want to do public service.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

That will never happen barring a miracle. There are plenty of die hard conservative voters who don't agree with term limits, and we know liberals will never back it. While on the subject of miracles, the best we can do is vote out career politicians and vote in people who actually want to do public service.

I think political power in the US is inherently corrupting, like the One Ring in Lord of the Rings.

 

[Fareal]

I think political power in the US is inherently corrupting, like the One Ring in Lord of the Rings.

explains why so many of them look like Gollum

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

explains why so many of them look like Gollum

My precious whistleblowers!

 

[Never Scored]

I think political power in the US is inherently corrupting, like the One Ring in Lord of the Rings.

I agree, but I also think being the mayor of nowhereville, Canada population 600 is corrupting. I think there is a breed of person who looks over his neighbours fence to see what's in his neighbour's yard an gets mad about it even when it doesn't affect him. I think those are the kinds of people who get into politics and I think telling people what to do is like an opiate to them. They get a high from looking out the window, seeing the guy next door do something they don't like in his own yard and having the ability to stop him under threat of fine.

IMO we need protections in place that state no one can prevent you from doing something if it has no measurable effects on anyone else. You couldn't say, dump toxic sludge in a swamp, but you could build a shed without jumping through hoops at city hall because some asshole calls in about an 8x10 box 20 feet from his property line. Unfortunately that asshole is the one more likely to run for council, and subsequently run for mayor and then MHA and then get appointed to cabinet or become Premier, so we're never going to get out from under his boot.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

I think political power in the US is inherently corrupting, like the One Ring in Lord of the Rings.

There are plenty of perverse incentives in US politics and industry. The difference is we have the freedom to sort them out.

An example: 9 out of 10 CEOs might not want to do something that destroys the environment / economy / public health. 1 out of 10 may decide to, gain a financial advantage, and then everyone else is forced to replicate or go out of business. A lot of people would describe this as hiding risk or disguising the consequences of action. There's an incentive to reward bad behavior, and that absolutely is corrupting.

It's been happening with trade policy for about 20 years, sending production to an overseas adversary for better prices at the expense of good jobs here in the States. We've been collecting the profits while disguising the downsides, and now we're learning the true cost as we encounter the consequences of rewarding bad actors. This was a decision, not an accident.

Anyone in America still think this is a good deal? Very few. We assumed access to markets and trade would liberalize China, instead we got hardline Communists continuing to murder the world in the achieve ideological goals. The thing is, now we can do something about it, going on offense feels good. We're going to enter globalism 2.0, which is going to be much different and will solve for some problem. We get to argue about what that solution will look like, and we have some really smart people to do it. In other words, we get to create a new set of incentives.

In China, they have to wait for someone to die before change can happen. They have the China 2025 plan, where they're looking to build big, high-tech systems to sell to the world cheap using technology they stole from the West. We're going to see how that works out, the one thing we know is they're not very agile. They're counting on the network effect of cheap tech to work to their advantage, which will get them somewhere.

Until we make that cheap tech very expensive to use. Then they get to live with it.

The thing about corruption: it's a pendulum that's rotten on both ends. Society works best in the middle.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I agree, but I also think being the mayor of nowhereville, Canada population 600 is corrupting. I think there is a breed of person who looks over his neighbours fence to see what's in his neighbour's yard an gets made about it even when it doesn't affect him. I think those are the kinds of people who get into politics and I think telling people what to do is like an opiate to them. They get a high from looking out the window, seeing the guy next door do something they don't like in his own yard and having the ability to stop him under threat of fine.

IMO we need protections in place that state no one can prevent you from doing something if it has no measurable effects on anyone else. You couldn't say, dump toxic sludge in a swamp, but you could build a shed without jumping through hoops at city hall because some asshole calls in about an 8x10 box 20 feet from his property line. Unfortunately that asshole is the one more likely to run for council, and subsequently run for mayor and then MHA and then get appointed to cabinet or become Premier, so we're never going to get out from under his boot.

You should listen to Delingpole's Carbon Mike interview, which touches on very similar themes

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/page-1532#post-6382608

Carbon Mike is black and he points out how regulations hurt small businesses and aid large ones and laments the GOP leadership not even trying to make this case. Even though, as he points out working-class Republican voters of all races are well aware of it. It hints at a way the right can outflank the left on this stuff. Something that Thatcher would have been well aware of actually.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Looks like Russia is getting worse and worse.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

There are plenty of perverse incentives in US politics and industry. The difference is we have the freedom to sort them out.

An example: 9 out of 10 CEOs might not want to do something that destroys the environment / economy / public health. 1 out of 10 may decide to, gain a financial advantage, and then everyone else is forced to replicate or go out of business. A lot of people would describe this as hiding risk or disguising the consequences of action. There's an incentive to reward bad behavior, and that absolutely is corrupting.

It's been happening with trade policy for about 20 years, sending production to an overseas adversary for better prices at the expense of good jobs here in the States. We've been collecting the profits while disguising the downsides, and now we're learning the true cost as we encounter the consequences of rewarding bad actors. This was a decision, not an accident.

Anyone in America still think this is a good deal? Very few. We assumed access to markets and trade would liberalize China, instead we got hardline Communists continuing to murder the world in the achieve ideological goals. The thing is, now we can do something about it, going on offense feels good. We're going to enter globalism 2.0, which is going to be much different and will solve for some problem. We get to argue about what that solution will look like, and we have some really smart people to do it. In other words, we get to create a new set of incentives.

In China, they have to wait for someone to die before change can happen. They have the China 2025 plan, where they're looking to build big, high-tech systems to sell to the world cheap using technology they stole from the West. We're going to see how that works out, the one thing we know is they're not very agile. They're counting on the network effect of cheap tech to work to their advantage, which will get them somewhere.

Until we make that cheap tech very expensive to use. Then they get to live with it.

The thing about corruption: it's a pendulum that's rotten on both ends. Society works best in the middle.

China simply cannot win. Here's a secret people seem to have forgotten: fair competition is vital to technological advancement. And a necessary step to becoming a stable world power.

China doesn't allow its inventors and scientists to talk freely and discuss matters without censorship. It has a rigid structure with no room for meritocracy. This simply cannot produce successful thinkers, their scientists are too busy trying to work TCM propaganda into their studies to actually help anything.

This event has proven that beyond doubt. We've seen chinese products fail at even the most basic of tasks, chinese scientists constantly produce blatantly false studies and chinese journalists brazenly lie as their real researchers are jailed. But this is just the last drop. Truth is, they could never win.

China's economy depended on the west not looking under the hood. All it needed to collapse was a single event to call attention to them. And if they wished to surpass the USA such an event was inevitable. Truth is, as soon as they finally tried to compete, the west would respond, and they cannot hope to outcompete against us, all they can hope is to tilt the game through espionage. And spies don't create studies, they only copy them. As soon as they started being singled out and isolated, they would rot away. They were always a paper tiger.

Quite simply. Corona is just one of hundreds of scenarios the CCP could arrive at. And they all end with China left in ruins. Because their farms are diseased hellholes, which don't follow basic safety regulations, so they can't be trusted to produce food, and they can be trusted to spew forth a constant stream of plagues. Their factories are built on theft and fraud, so they can't be trusted to stay competitive once examined. Their politicians are too busy climbing the ladder to be trusted cooperating. Their scientists are too busy pushing propaganda and spying on their betters to be trusted at all with anything ever. And their people are too busy backstabbing each other to be trusted not to serve people bats fried with gutter oil for dinner. The second they actually have to adhere to western standards... They simply cannot compare.

 

[Eryngium]

Hard times are going to happen weather it be the virus, war or a combination of the two. Shit is going down the entire world market doesn't close over a basic bitch flu.

What else would you call it? People are coping and rightfully so. I understand what is going on and its fucked up but im also not hugboxing the idea that things are perfectly fine. Things are fucked up and will continue to be fucked up for quite some time. The difference is, is im lubing my ass when some people are ignoring it thinking its going to go back to normal times. In short some people just like to go raw dog on the issue.

You can say that about any bad flu season or other deadly dangerous outbreak for that matter. The main way numbers officially register is if people are sick and need treatment. This outbreak is as severe as it gets.

Pic related is literally you

Cope Harder.

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

Who would look at a time as chaotic as this and think "Now's the time to splurge on shit I don't need"? *

Saw several big screens leaving Costco the other day and it was amazing to me. It wasn't basketball Americans buying them, either.

On a similar note, I wrestled for weeks with whether or not I should buy a new computer. Different case, though, because my current one is 13 years old and starting to have issues. It's also how I pay the bills doing contract work, so it's not a frivolous purchase, just totally fucked timing as I got laid off a month ago and have zero income.

It's also important to note that are NONE currently on the shelves at Costco (higher end desktops). Out of stock signs instead. If you read a bit further on this, nearly all the major manufacturers are fuxated because of what's going on with Covid and China manufacturing in general. The supply chain is broken. IT guys I know that had to supply computers en masse for everyone to work at home said their orders aren't being filled and have been given 6 month or more wait times. Their personal advice to me was if you can find what you need, get it NOW.

Considering that China produces so much of the world's consumer electronics, this makes absolute sense. South Korea, Indonesia, even Vietnam can step up their manufacturing game, but even they rely on Chinese components. There is definitely a ripple effect coming that most have no idea about.

Anyway, a new high-end Dell found on Amazon will be delivered tomorrow. I will be ready to go when the feces stops getting shoveled into the Corona Chan fan. I hated to spend the money right now, but for those like me that depend on a keyboard to make a living, you'd be wise to consider what I've said here carefully.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

Unemployment benefits are pretty generous where I live but even I recognize that the system can't support this sort of payout forever. I'm going to try and use my free time until I get back to work to get my ducks in a row because hard times are ahead. Big spending on frivolous things is out of the question. When I hear that people have taken their Trumpbux and used them to get 4k big screen TVs, I have to wonder if there's any sanity left in this world. Who would look at a time as chaotic as this and think "Now's the time to splurge on shit I don't need"? *


*Okay. I know the answer is negros, but I'm a big fan of not stating the obvious...

Receiving free money for too long warps your understanding of money in ways that a normal working person really doesn't appreciate.

They lose all concept of Plan, Work, Save, Budget , Invest etc. When money arrives magically, not in response to any deliberate action then people develop habits of just pissing it away instantly, because the capricious Gods will likely take it from them anyway. It's not a racial thing, it's a long term poor welfare dependency thing.
Ask yourself, if crazy aliens rained down pallets of cash and lightning bolts of death on your home town, seemingly at random ; would you study? would you work? No, you'd live one day at a time partying and spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave.

Now, obviously we don''t live in quite this world, but there is a similar effect with bad welfare systems.

 

[Aria]

Alex 🦉| Haruspis on Twitter

“Oh my god, the BBC have done it again! 😂 #Halo”

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so the bbc has some explaining to do.