The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[QuokkaCaptain]

For the record, here is what muscular women look like:

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Note the large arms but small torso and upper body with small hands. Curves are still visible. Female body-builders are a thing and definitely look more freakishly jacked than that but this is after years of hard training and muscle-building--things that would not be present in an apocalyptic world.

Here's Abby for reference.

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Flat chest, complete lack of curves, large upper torso, broad shoulders attached to jacked man arms, large male hands, thick legs and wide body.

This thing is a troon. There is no feasible way it is not.

Gina Carano is another good example:

It has, legitimately, always pissed me off when Tumblr (feminists, usually) starts sounding off about female characters' bodies, and they'll insist that women with physical fighting skills (like Tifa Lockhart, for instance) are "supposed" to be big, beefy, damn near masculine-looking muscle machines. Making them look feminine is "sexist" because mu male gaze or some shit.

It is possible for a physically strong woman with developed muscles to still look feminine. Some might look a little more masculine depending on their overall appearance, but just because a woman's got muscles doesn't mean she's going to look like a man.

The shape of the flatness of the chest is in particular is what's getting to me. A woman of Abby's rough size and weight, even flat-chested, would probably have a little more curvature to their breasts than, say, a 5'0, 95 lb woman. I mean, google "female bodybuilders" and tell me how many of them have totally flat chests (spoiler: they don't- some may have small breasts, but you can still tell that they're there). If you showed me these pictures with Abby's head cropped out and I didn't have any context for them, I would say that these were pictures of a reasonably muscular adult man, not a woman.

Either this is a shitty, generally unrealistic character design, or Abby's going to be revealed as trans.

ETA: @Reverend explained it a few posts ago, I missed it before posting this.

 

[TexOffender]

Killing immunes to save the defectives who are already on their way out isn't a good trade.

The immunes should do a lot of fucking and make immune babies. Would have made a more misogynistic game though and Cuckmann can't have that.

 

[AmHole]

I have a theory it will be bundled with PS5's at launch in an attempt to salvage the sales figures.

I have a theory that if this is bundled with the PS5, Naughty Dog wont be the only company we'll see the last of. us 2

 

[ZehnBoat]

Alice is a well written character with a tragic backstory, a personality, and meaningful interactions with the rest of the cast. Don't insult my girl like that.

you right
alice is a badass

Wait, wait, wait. There's ZOMBIES in this LGBT beat'em up? Surely you jest.

Let's
Get
Beaten by
Trannies

 

[YourMommasBackstory]

Companies usually do not credit outsource workers individually and just put the title of outsourcing company, it’s likely that ND uses this fact to claim the leaker isn’t their employee.

Let's
Get
Beaten by
Trannies

but why do I need to waste 60$ to get beaten if I can just go to a public ladies restroom and ask local troon why is he using a wrong toilet?

 

[madeinabyss31]

The sad thing is there's some good shit here. The game excluding the character models looks gorgeous and the combat looks really fun. If Amy wrote it I think we'd be looking at a game of the year contender. But no Cuckman just had to have his tranny shit.

Just looks like more bad AI and damage sponges to me.

 

[ZehnBoat]

but why do I need to waste 60$ to get beaten if I can just go to a public ladies restroom and ask local troon why is he using a wrong toilet?

hey look, 60 bucks might seem like a lot now. but there will be free dlc that will allow you to choose what kind of golf club you get hit with

and look out for the 35 buck cricket bat DLC
it also gives the tranny a bad cockney accent

 

[TexOffender]

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

What is it about these companies going back in sequels and chastising the player for choices they were forced to make by the game's design? It's so weird trying to moralize and teach people 'the cycle of violence'. Is porn gonna be next? It's gonna be great when AssEaters 2 3d is just an hourlong TED talk on porn addiction and how it wires your brain. That'll make a lot of money for sure.

What fucks with me is that you can make it work. Earlier in the thread I pointed to Ultima VI as an example of how you can twist a series' central premise into something darker without completely destroying the core themes. In Ultima VI you find out, during your quest to become the Avatar back in Ultima IV, you unintentionally fucked over the Gargoyles to the point where they are dying and they are desperate to fix their home. The impetus of the game's story is that it was technically your fault the Gargoyles have been fucked over even in your quest to become the ultimate force of goodness. It's a tricky situation since the point of the game is that even in your quest to be virtuous, your actions still have unintended consequences. What makes it work though is that you can fix the situation peacefully and in a way that follows the moral code of the series. Ultima VI raises questions about the morality it places on the player and bases its events on stuff you already did games ago, but it doesn't buttfuck the series' core principles in doing so.

Having The Last of Us 2 chastise you for what most would probably agree to be the right decision and then completely fuck over the characters is what grinds my gears. Even if you argue that what Joel did was wrong, the game acts in a morally absolute way by straight up killing him off and brutalizing Ellie later on. Not to mention, it runs counter to the themes of the previous game as has been discussed at length in this thread.

 

[Stasi]

Wait, you play as the 8 foot tall behemoth built like a linebacker? Who designed this character? And more importantly who approved this to be in the game?

I don't know about you guys but I don't think I'd want to play as Macho Ma'am Tranny Savage.

 

[YourMommasBackstory]

Wait, you play as the 8 foot tall behemoth built like a linebacker? Who designed this character? And more importantly who approved this to be in the game?

I don't know about you guys but I don't think I'd want to play as Macho Ma'am Tranny Savage.

And without leaks, how would you know that? There’s only Ellie on all promotional materials.

 

[Alcatraz]

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Oh my fucking god.
This is outright painting Joel as some unhinged madman. Ruthlessly efficient, maybe, but this is making him out to be some monster that murdered literally every single Firefly in the hospital, when that just isn't true.

 

[Neurotic Loser]

- That final fight. On reflection a final showdown between the two main characters is fine. I mean, done a million times before, but fine. What's bothering me is just how goddamn manly it all is. Cuckman's whole thing is that main characters and their partners are all women in this, right? Why couldn't they face off like women? Instead they're breaking arms like it's nothing, slamming heads into the ground like they're in the UFC. If you swapped them out with the cast of Red Dead Redemption 2 it would make so much more sense. People are fine with badass women characters in media, have been for decades now. But you never had Ripley or Sarah Connor fucking punching the alien / terminator with their fists like a man. Cuckmann seems to think you can just gender-swap without altering anything else in your story and it's fine. It's totally not. Doesn't make you some kind of bigot to point that out.

I feel that having two women fuck up each other and having a fist fight would be fine as it isn't the main problem. The problem is why in the fuck in a "realistic", "grounded" game are two characters fist fighting when using the items around them would be safer and quicker? You don't choke people out as that is long, they'll make a lot of noise and instinctively they'll fight much harder than before. The noise part is especially important due to the hyper sensitive monsters that have been ruling the world for decades.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

I never would've played this game anyway (I detest Naughty Dog and their games), but Christ, this game is apparently worse than even I could've imagined:

 

[KingofNothing]

Soooooo....here’s a new thing.

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I'm not surprised. This happens more often than people think. For example, the guys who made Dead Space studied medical, autopsy, and accident photos in order to recreate the effect of a ravaged human body, to give a sense of realism as to how the human bodies in the games have been twisted into monsters.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

So is the consensus that Normies will still buy it AND like the direction the plot goes down?

The doomers on KotakuinAction seem to like insisting that this game will be remembered as a "perfectly normal sequel" and that normies are totally cool with being forced to play as an unlikeable character.

 

[Secret Asshole]

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lol, still don't give a fuck. Joel > Random NPC You are FORCED TO KILL.

Druckman fundamentally misunderstands this. You are FORCED to do this. You don't have a choice. Why would we get upset over something we had no control over? There's no emotional resonance here. You're forced to do it because the narrative requires it.

The lie is the hook for the second game, not this stupid shit. A normal person would think 'Why wouldn't he do that?'

Because Druckman is a faggot and probably didn't write that part of the game. You have to remember, this is a guy who wanted to possess everything and make his own 'vision'. I cannot imagine the fights he got into with the other writers over 7 YEARS. Now I know why this game took 7 years. Its because this is what he wanted and other creatives went 'No that's fucking rétarded'. Then they all either quit out of frustration or just left or he fired them. And then he had to hire scrubs, underpaid them and abused them, they knew this was a terrible fucking idea and laughed manically as they leaked it to fuck over him and ruin the game financially as well as get everyone to shit in his face.

"We want to surprise you" does not equal "We are completely lying to you about the protagonist and motivation for the second game. To the point of ignoring who you play most of the game as."

It is still mind blowing to me that he thought this was a good decision. Frankly, I am so glad this leaked.

If Abby's personality was inspired by this fella, I'd fucking enjoy playing as her.

Oh my God if Abbey was Judge Holden I would play the fuck out of that. Give me Blood Meridian game now where I am Judge Holden please.

 

[Zaryiu]

I loved Uncharted 4 but it had some problems with SJW stuff that stuck out like a sore thumb, like one of the villains being a "strong" black woman that kicks Nate's ass every time he encounters her and despite being one of the villains never has to suffer any negative consequences, she fucks off out of the story after a point, da fuck was the point of that?

I also read that the old woman young Nate and Sam meet was originally an old man, which makes more sense given the trope of an old British explorer dude but it was arbitrarily changed to a woman because muh fumanuzim.

I was disturbed to learn how much of the game was conceived when Amy Henning was still with the company, meaning I can only assume the things I disliked were thanks to Druckmann, who is front and center for TLOU2.

The black "strong" woman went away to be in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted:_The_Lost_Legacy where she partners up with that game MC Chloe

 

[sperginity]

I am so fucking irritated.

A few years ago I read a really good book about an apocalypse. There was a sequel that I was looking forward to, and then I read the description, and the main character was a FTM trans person. In an apocalypse.

No one troons out in a fucking apocalypse. No one has time for that type of shit, and practicality is so essential to surviving that you can't try to live out fantasies like changing your sex.

the book I am talking about, and the last of us, were really special to me, because they captured the human condition under extreme duress. Including trannies is like having a unicorn show up or something, it makes no sense and totally takes you out of the story.

I cancelled my pre order. god damn it.

 

[AmHole]

I'm not surprised. This happens more often than people think. For example, the guys who made Dead Space studied medical, autopsy, and accident photos in order to recreate the effect of a ravaged human body, to give a sense of realism as to how the human bodies in the games have been twisted into monsters.

I remember reading for Mortal Kombat 11, a lot of the workers were subjected to watching basically snuff films of humans and animals in order to better understand how to mutilate somebody. That along with the time crunch, ended up giving one of the developers PTSD.

MK11 PTSD