Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[A nameless trool]

I don't really follow Manga at all but looking at this Xenotype page I'm pretty sure I can guess what type of manga Liam Gray is into.

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Looks to me like wholesome scifi manga for young boys who want something edgier that kids manga. Maybe too wholesome compared to your average older-male oriented manga titles.
And I am not sarcastic. Mainstream titles like Berserk, Akira, Ghost in the Cell or Gantz are far more graphic than this. If this shocks you, stick with MHA or cape comics...

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

For a guy who constantly talks about selling hotdogs, his hotdogs have been getting pretty sloppy lately.

I'm starting find Zach's videos close to unwatchable. The first three minutes is nothing but word vomit about the current status of his campaign(s), the next two is about his breakfast burrito or how much he hates the lockdown and the last five is nothing but a regurgitation of whatever it is Rich Johnston is writing about at Bleeding Cool or maybe what some sperg said to another sperg on Twitter. Not even really worth it as background while gaming. He's gotten lazy, predictable and worst of all, boring.

 

[Detrogen]

I'm starting find Zach's videos close to unwatchable. The first three minutes is nothing but word vomit about the current status of his campaign(s), the next two is about his breakfast burrito or how much he hates the lockdown and the last five is nothing but a regurgitation of whatever it is Rich Johnston is writing about at Bleeding Cool or maybe what some sperg said to another sperg on Twitter. Not even really worth it as background while gaming. He's gotten lazy, predictable and worst of all, boring.

I literally watch Zack’s videos for the campaign updates and burrito talk. The comic industry is a shitshow. I don’t need someone to tell me.

 

[Newman's Own]

Looks to me like wholesome scifi manga for young boys who want something edgier that kids manga. Maybe too wholesome compared to your average older-male oriented manga titles.
And I am not sarcastic. Mainstream titles like Berserk, Akira, Ghost in the Cell or Gantz are far more graphic than this. If this shocks you, stick with MHA or cape comics...

I am sarcastic. I find sarcasm is more fun.

I don't know much about manga but I'm pretty sure I recognize thinly veiled gay tentacle porn when I see it. That being said such things probably qualify as just edgy in Japan and Liam is gonna do Liam. Good for him.

I wouldn't call it wholesome but then I'm not in Japan or rural Australia...

 

[Absurdity]

I'm starting find Zach's videos close to unwatchable. The first three minutes is nothing but word vomit about the current status of his campaign(s), the next two is about his breakfast burrito or how much he hates the lockdown and the last five is nothing but a regurgitation of whatever it is Rich Johnston is writing about at Bleeding Cool or maybe what some sperg said to another sperg on Twitter. Not even really worth it as background while gaming. He's gotten lazy, predictable and worst of all, boring.

As long as he maintains his distance from Sciverfrog drama, I think he'll be alright. He's already proven the old comic cronies were wrong. It could turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory if he tries to extend himself too far and/or allows himself to get wrapped up in Ethan's narrative. Ethan modeled his own brand largely inspired by YBZ's success and creativity, so he doesn't demand as much from Richard as he does from the rest of his cult. That could always change...

Zack has enough naive progressivism in him to compromise with the PC tranny/gender stuff, which probably influenced Ethan (because Ethan believes only in Ethan and making money) when he felt the need to police Mike M's social media and make an exception to Christian anti-LGBTSJWism in general. What would it take for Richard and Ethan to break it off? I'm not entirely sure but I believe it's only a matter of time. Ethan will ultimately prove to be self-destructive no matter how much he promotes himself in the short term.

 

[jspit]

I'm not sure if that was a clip or a tweet, I think it might have been a tweet.

There is this clip from SWC revived, where Ethan got butthurt because he came onto Kiwi Farms claiming his was an alpha and some users mocked him. This was several months ago before most of the more recent a-logging, its pretty funny though.

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Then there is this tweet from a while ago which kinda shows how schizophrenic Ethan's thinking is when it comes to Kiwi Farms.

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ComicArtistPro Secrets on Twitter

“@RhinoSpiderCat "Can we all come together in the New Year and realize that Comic Book Hut, SWC Central, Kiwi Farms, Midnight Cherry, The Cherries, Turbo, Crypto Comics, Rumble Terrier and everyone else that is aggressively criticizing anyone is the REAL problem?" The internet is rough.”

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http://archive.li/QMvZk

As for his latest "The Kiwi's are posting my address and trying to assassinate me!" lie, I've seen no address posted here or in the containment thread so its just typical bullshit from Ethan. His probably having a slow day on Rekt Planet and is trying to wrangle a couple of dollars outta his few remaining paypigs.


Despite posting about this several hours ago, I already forgot about it. Might go and check it out, cheers!

I don't get it, truly don't. This everyone is against us or with us mindset. I'm neither. No fence sitting, I just don't feel passionately about either group of creators, I think their both mostly shit.

As long as he maintains his distance from Sciverfrog drama, I think he'll be alright.

He's done that so far, but I'm at the point were its like him not wanting to call himself CG, Frog will drag him there and Richard's proven he's willing to cut off fans who don't like Frog.

Zack has enough naive progressivism in him to compromise with the PC tranny/gender stuff

he's an ex catholic who like Frog thinks he can pose as christian one minute and cast it off the next. He doesn't actually hold to any of it.

which probably influenced Ethan (because Ethan believes only in Ethan and making money

It's the opposite, Frog's a mainstreamer and part of his ability to stay prominent was he was PC on that stuff. He condemned Richard for calling Mags a man in a wig, said he had no problem with her, and was quick to use Mike and Doug to virtue signal, frequently mocking their beliefs. He had to come around on that somewhat but he's always been PC on the gay.

What would it take for Richard and Ethan to break it off?

For someone better to come along. Frog's been a boon to him. He's running the big channel, keeping the wannabes and hasbeens in line, providing covers, and supplying an army of sycophants to buy Richard's books. No one else can provide that. I'm sure he rides Frog's train until the number of backers really dips and even then, he goes back to IT probably and declares a win.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Thought I'd make a few tables with some info on Comicsgate crowdfunding metrics, first up is Richard C Meyer. I'll spoiler the tables, in case people don't wish to see it.

Spoiler: RICHARD

RICHARD C MEYER
Jawbreakers Series

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
JB: Lost Souls	193,279	404,913	5,362	10,619	Indiegogo	Apr 2019	Fulfilled
JB: Lost Souls Remastered	56,164	56,164	1,519	1,519	Indiegogo	Jul 2019	Fulfilled
Total inc Variants	249,443	461,077	6,881	12,138	-	-	-
JB:Godking	196,102	251,387	5,032	6,511	Indiegogo	Apr 2020	Fulfilled

*Jawbreakers lost $209,690 from Lost Souls to Godking (-45%)
*Jawbreakers lost 5627 backers from Lost Souls to Godking (-46%)

Iron Sights Series

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
Iron Sights	119,424	119,424	3,338	3,338	Indiegogo	Sep 2018	Fulfilled
Iron Sights: Premium Perk	15,170	15,170	155	155	Indiegogo	Sep 2018	Fulfilled
Total Inc Variants	134,594	134,594	3,493	3,493	-	-	-
IS: 2 Psycho's	94,174	131, 895	2,040	2,799	Indiegogo	Apr 2020	Fulfilling

*Iron Sights lost $2,699 from IS: 1 to IS:2 (-2%)
*Iron Sights lost 694 backers from IS:1 to IS:2 (-20%)
*The price of the book was increased $5 which compensated for the loss of backers.

Expendables

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
Expendables Go To Hell	181,518	214,303	2,539	3,126	Indiegogo	Ongoing	InDemand

*Expendables lost $246,774 to Lost Souls (-54%) and lost $37,084 to Godking (-14%)
*Expendables lost 9012 backers to Lost Souls (-74%) and lost 3385 backers to Godking (-52%)
*Expendables gained $79,709 to Iron Sights (+37%) and gained $82,408 to Iron Sights 2 (+38%)
*Expendables lost 367 backers to Iron Sights (-11%) and gained 327 backers to Iron Sights 2 (+11%)
*Expendables is still InDemand, results are not final

Pandemic

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
Pandemic	53,059	53,059	2,026	2,026	Indiegogo	Apr 2020	Unfulfilled
Pandemic 2nd Chance	8,445	8,825	322	336	Indiegogo	Ongoing	InDemand
Total Inc Variants	61,504	61,884	2,348	2,362	-	-	-

*Pandemic lost $339,193 to Lost Souls (-87%) and lost $189,503 to Godking (-75%)
*Pandemic lost 9776 backers to Lost Souls (-81%) and lost 4149 backers to Godking (-64%)
*Pandemic lost $72710 to Iron Sights (-54%) and lost $70,011 to Iron Sights 2 (-53%)
*Pandemic lost 1145 backers to Iron Sights (-33%) and lost 437 backers to Iron Sights 2 (-16%)
*Pandemic lost $153,419 to Expendables (-71%)
*Pandemic lost 764 backers to Expendables (-24%)
*Pandemic is still InDemand, results are not final

It was hard to compare Expendables and Pandemic to other campaigns since there are no other books yet in the series, so I compared them to all previous books. Admittedly this might be a tad unfair, their campaigns are also still indemand so the results are not final.

Ethan, Art Thibert, Mike S Miller, Doug TenNapel and Jon Malin will all be next, but I'm taking a break for now.

 

[Absurdity]

It's the opposite, Frog's a mainstreamer and part of his ability to stay prominent was he was PC on that stuff. He condemned Richard for calling Mags a man in a wig, said he had no problem with her, and was quick to use Mike and Doug to virtue signal, frequently mocking their beliefs. He had to come around on that somewhat but he's always been PC on the gay.

Eee-hee's she-hes? I hadn't stuck around his channel to see him comment enough about it. I got out of it after he had transitioned into a Star Wars fan channel. Of all people to white knight for though, Mags?

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I'm pretty new to the Farms, can someone tell me where the forum is where we plan assassinations?
(sarcasm, just in case that needs to be said.)

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/zoosadism-megathread.47973/

Note, it'd probably be yourself by the time you finish the thread.

Thought I'd make a few tables with some info on Comicsgate crowdfunding metrics, first up is Richard C Meyer. I'll spoiler the tables, in case people don't wish to see it.

Spoiler: RICHARD

RICHARD C MEYER
Jawbreakers Series

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
JB: Lost Souls	193,279	404,913	5,362	10,619	Indiegogo	Apr 2019	Fulfilled
JB: Lost Souls Remastered	56,164	56,164	1,519	1,519	Indiegogo	Jul 2019	Fulfilled
Total inc Variants	249,443	461,077	6,881	12,138	-	-	-
JB:Godking	196,102	251,387	5,032	6,511	Indiegogo	Apr 2020	Fulfilled

*Jawbreakers lost $209,690 from Lost Souls to Godking (-45%)
*Jawbreakers lost 5627 backers from Lost Souls to Godking (-46%)

Iron Sights Series

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
Iron Sights	119,424	119,424	3,338	3,338	Indiegogo	Sep 2018	Fulfilled
Iron Sights: Premium Perk	15,170	15,170	155	155	Indiegogo	Sep 2018	Fulfilled
Total Inc Variants	134,594	134,594	3,493	3,493	-	-	-
IS: 2 Psycho's	94,174	131, 895	2,040	2,799	Indiegogo	Apr 2020	Fulfilling

*Iron Sights lost $2,699 from IS: 1 to IS:2 (-2%)
*Iron Sights lost 694 backers from IS:1 to IS:2 (-20%)
*The price of the book was increased $5 which compensated for the loss of backers.

Expendables

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
Expendables Go To Hell	181,518	214,303	2,539	3,126	Indiegogo	Ongoing	InDemand

*Expendables lost $246,774 to Lost Souls (-54%) and lost $37,084 to Godking (-14%)
*Expendables lost 9012 backers to Lost Souls (-74%) and lost 3385 backers to Godking (-52%)
*Expendables gained $79,709 to Iron Sights (+37%) and gained $82,408 to Iron Sights 2 (+38%)
*Expendables lost 367 backers to Iron Sights (-11%) and gained 327 backers to Iron Sights 2 (+11%)
*Expendables is still InDemand, results are not final

Pandemic

NAME:	FUNDED:	RAISED:	BACKED:	TOTAL BACKERS:	PLATFORM:	ENDED:	STATUS:
Pandemic	53,059	53,059	2,026	2,026	Indiegogo	Apr 2020	Unfulfilled
Pandemic 2nd Chance	8,445	8,825	322	336	Indiegogo	Ongoing	InDemand
Total Inc Variants	61,504	61,884	2,348	2,362	-	-	-

*Pandemic lost $339,193 to Lost Souls (-87%) and lost $189,503 to Godking (-75%)
*Pandemic lost 9776 backers to Lost Souls (-81%) and lost 4149 backers to Godking (-64%)
*Pandemic lost $72710 to Iron Sights (-54%) and lost $70,011 to Iron Sights 2 (-53%)
*Pandemic lost 1145 backers to Iron Sights (-33%) and lost 437 backers to Iron Sights 2 (-16%)
*Pandemic lost $153,419 to Expendables (-71%)
*Pandemic lost 764 backers to Expendables (-24%)
*Pandemic is still InDemand, results are not final

It was hard to compare Expendables and Pandemic to other campaigns since there are no other books yet in the series, so I compared them to all previous books. Admittedly this might be a tad unfair, their campaigns are also still indemand so the results are not final.

Ethan, Art Thibert, Mike S Miller, Doug TenNapel and Jon Malin will all be next, but I'm taking a break for now.

The Pandemic campaign was more of an experiment and Zack admitted it was not probably going to do as well as the other campaigns. That being said, he didn't realize that there were people who didn't back the book because they didn't know much about it (hence why the second campaign exists: to give those people a chance to back it). The way I see it, the second campaign is just an extension of the first because Meyer closed the first one prematurely.

 

[Adamska]

I heard of Pandemic, but I just thought it pretty much did what Zack claimed he thought was dumb in modern comics; it was topical nonsense that is about real life written by a person who don't know much about the thing they write. Didn't back it for those reasons.

 

[CapeKnight]

I heard of Pandemic, but I just thought it pretty much did what Zack claimed he thought was dumb in modern comics; it was topical nonsense that is about real life written by a person who don't know much about the thing they write. Didn't back it for those reasons.

Richard has a habit of writing "bad movies" ideas into comics.

 

[jspit]

I heard of Pandemic, but I just thought it pretty much did what Zack claimed he thought was dumb in modern comics; it was topical nonsense that is about real life written by a person who don't know much about the thing they write. Didn't back it for those reasons.

It was a dumb idea that shows just what is hard base is.

Eee-hee's she-hes? I hadn't stuck around his channel to see him comment enough about it. I got out of it after he had transitioned into a Star Wars fan channel. Of all people to white knight for though, Mags?

He'd deny it but there was a shit ton of content from that time you could watch as he tried to stay in the main stream and make connections on youtube that includes superchats about that and tweets.

 

[Comicsgeist]

I heard of Pandemic, but I just thought it pretty much did what Zack claimed he thought was dumb in modern comics; it was topical nonsense that is about real life written by a person who don't know much about the thing they write. Didn't back it for those reasons.

In the opener to one of his videos a couple of weeks ago he more or less admitted that is Exactly what the book is.
He was addressing the confusion about why the hell his main character appeared to be the epitome of every stereotype he usually mocks, a black woman with an SJW haircut that loves the science.
YaBoi basically admitted that the experiment was to see if he could write a better book and characters than Mags using all the same tropes that she employs. Pandemic, it seems, is one big salty troll.

 

[A nameless trool]

I am sarcastic. I find sarcasm is more fun.

I don't know much about manga but I'm pretty sure I recognize thinly veiled gay tentacle porn when I see it. That being said such things probably qualify as just edgy in Japan and Liam is gonna do Liam. Good for him.

I wouldn't call it wholesome but then I'm not in Japan or rural Australia...

Manga can be pretty hardcore in terms of violence. Tentacles and body horror are often encountered. This page is nothing to write home about compared to actual manga.

 

[Newman's Own]

Manga can be pretty hardcore in terms of violence. Tentacles and body horror are often encountered. This page is nothing to write home about compared to actual manga.

I get that. I was speaking more to the homoerotic tentacle porn overtones rather than the gore.



Edit: Looks like Liam's recent success since turning into a drama channel has him starting to feel like he can start swinging his dick around criticizing Meyer's choices of talent because they were excomunicated by WarCampaign in the Great Gay Ops of 2018.



It's kind of funny because Liam knows he's been taught to hate Sashi and he does but he can't remember why. Maybe he should invite Zach on to talk to Ro or Pan so they can "talk through their differences".



It would be grand if this led to drama between Zach and the purity testers in WarCampaign who have managed to ignore Meyer's blatant heresy in hiring the enemy for multiple campaigns because she draws hot chicks better than every artist in CG by a large margin.



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[Analog Devolved]

I don't really follow Manga at all but looking at this Xenotype page I'm pretty sure I can guess what type of manga Liam Gray is into.

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The freakishly distorted oversized hand almost distracts from the tentacle dick going down his throat.
"Holy shit" is right. This looks retarded.
How much is he charging for this uncolored trash? I can get a proper manga that's 500 pages of content for less than ten dollars.
If this is the promotional page I imagine it only gets worse from here.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I don't really follow Manga at all but looking at this Xenotype page I'm pretty sure I can guess what type of manga Liam Gray is into.

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Should be the Guyver manga since he is ripping it off but I doubt it. Since the manga had the tentacles all over the men during the merging. Plus the Guyver: Out of Control OVA is possibly one of the first tentacle porn anime ever made.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Surprised nobody reported on this sooner since I know a lot of Kiwi's watch Liam Gray's channel, @Mister Dongs I'm looking at you.

Liam in a very sneakily and cryptic way implied to his audience that they should think about supporting Zack's latest Jawbreakers campaign since Sashi is still doing the pin-up posters for Zacks campaign. The idiot also doesn't realize that she has done the pin-ups for Godking and Iron Sights 2 campaigns since her fallout with Comicsgate.

After suggesting this he started getting called out in chat for trying to sabotage Zacks campaign and clarified by saying he wasn't telling his audience not to back the book but rather that Zack should reconsider working with Sashi.

In the third clip; Liam talks about how Comicsgate gives money to Zack and then Zack gives money to Sashi for the pin-ups and that money comes from "us." Which is interesting language for Liam because according to his Indiegogo profile, he has never backed any of Zack's books, not one.

https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/18874334/campaigns

Liam Gray | Indiegogo

archived 2 May 2020 23:05:23 UTC

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The chat seems split three ways people who don't like Sashi, people who like Sashi and others who don't know who she is. Liam very disingenuously pretends not to know why Sashi has a problem with Comicsgate until users start pointing out the Gobblegate incident whereby she was harassed by Ethan, Praetorian and Warcampaign. Liam then has a good chuckle reminiscing on the fun times.

EDIT: I like Liams clearly fake laughter in the above clip as he tries to explain the Gobblegate drama to his clearly confused guest.



At least one CG sperg refunded Zack due to him continuing to work with Sashi.

And continued to spam the chat with anti-Zack sentiment.

EDIT 2: More from Caligula

Some others commented they wouldn't supporting Zack either however others said they would so the chat remained split.

The full stream is here, I haven't finished watching it yet but Liam implies his next stream will continue the topic further.

 

[Nippy]

You niggers I was just going to post this stream. Dude is either off his meds or doubled down on them. The discomfort was palpable. Don't any of these young / middle aged men have any family or friends looking out for them?

EDIT: This dude is FUCKING CRAZY.

 

[jspit]

Is TUG now denying he doxxed Viki?

ThatUmbrellaGuy on Twitter

“No, EVS didnt throw me under the bus. Reality, though, is a sock puppet doxed that POS after: 1. ADMITTING TO doxing someone bc I blocked them. 2. having others contact our PD AND 3. Sharing my personal info for months 4. MORE if they want my empathy, I'm FRESH OUT. https://t.co/jqyGyjii3c”

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