Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[WhimsicalTrolli]

New narrative.

Ethan has declared TUG innocent and Vikki guilty because... Ethan said so.

The truly exceptional people of CG are actually going to believe this.

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So Vikki uncovering the ribbit coins made tug suicidal. These middle age manbabies need help.

 

[jspit]

More Live with Liam, in this clip Liam mentions that his been told to "stay in his lane", he almost let slip who told him but he quickly shuts up. There has been a lot of rumors that Ethan has told other CG creators not to come on his show so he might have got a talking to from Caesar.

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Shortly after his been telling his viewers to mass contact Antonio Brice to get on the show and discuss his relationship with Sashi, Kelsey pops in the chat to deliver this piece of advice.

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Ro turns up later? I'm only 2 hours into this shitshow, I hope it goes off the rails.

very mainstream, its like, a bad look...

He's already made a statement on this thread:


Meaning, he doesn't care if Simone works with Dynamite as long as Dynamite helps CG (EVS). There is no such thing as CG purity, Liam. There is only whatever Ethan feels like doing to help himself.

Ssshhhh, don't let him in on that fact, he might stop....

Shit, stream two is up three minutes ago....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrrllrg8gpk

Highlights so far,

Frog attacking him, saying this is canceling culture, don't cancel, Jon Malin is king, he's earned respect. Oz isn't having any of it.

 

[Newman's Own]

Oz is definitely my new favorite ComicsGater.

"It's a cult." - Oz

 

[CapeKnight]

Liam likes to run his mouth on shit he has no clue about, or pretends not to know. Then he gets told to shut the fuck up, because he's causing strife, then he paints it into "I'm not gonna get in line, I'm the little guy being pushed down". But he sure likes to want to make Zack get in line.

Now clearly, this is a thing that should have been addressed (just, Liam is a faggot about it because he's coming at it as someone who CLEARLY wants special treatment for himself, perfectly trying to emulate EVS), because I don't think Zack is CG either. He doesn't engage with it, whilst they hold him like Jesus and have been worshipping him for years now. Zack should just be clear at this point about whether or not he thinks EVS's cult practices have tarnished the name of the movement.

Oz at least makes sense of things, because he can clearly phrase himself better than spend over an hour complaining about "anti-CG" without getting to the point.

 

[Twinkletard]

Zack should just be clear at this point about whether or not he thinks EVS's cult practices have tarnished the name of the movement.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't pay attention to the CG/Anti-CG faggotry like most of us sane adults. I don't know who any of these people are, but then again, I have a life beyond the internet.

 

[CapeKnight]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't pay attention to the CG/Anti-CG faggotry like most of us sane adults. I don't know who any of these people are, but then again, I have a life beyond the internet.

I know he doesn't. It's why I said he should just cut his losses and just say he doesn't care about CG. Lose a few paypigs, so what. I think it's stupid because for how long have they been supporting each other's books based on herd mentality to say "this is a win for CG" when it's clearly stupid to buy a book that's overpriced to just "own the essjaydabyas", and not buying it out of genuine interests or it's merits. I found Zack's videos to be pretty funny (when he was just a guy ranting in his car about comics and ripping them, recently it gets a bit stale, unless he's doing videos talking about Watchmen and shit). The problem is you dive deeper down the rabbit hole, and find this cult underneath it and it leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I'm just saying this to point out that the lifespan of CG doesn't seem to be very long at this point, if it was willing to blindly support the movement for years, only for someone like Liam to show up and question things (in a very stupid and snake-like way) to stir up drama. It's clearly a movement that's outlived it's purposes. Corona is also gonna make sure people don't spend like idiots on their hack works either. If Zack wants his business to survive, he sure as hell should just make the sane decision and get rid of faggots. Has nothing to do with denying his customers hotdogs, has all to do with people buying his hotdogs and throwing it at someone else. Pretty sure you'd kick out a customer at a restaurant for coming in for food, only to take that plate and shove it in another customer's face.

 

[Newman's Own]

Liam likes to run his mouth on shit he has no clue about, or pretends not to know. Then he gets told to shut the fuck up, because he's causing strife, then he paints it into "I'm not gonna get in line, I'm the little guy being pushed down". But he sure likes to want to make Zack get in line.

Now clearly, this is a thing that should have been addressed (just, Liam is a faggot about it because he's coming at it as someone who CLEARLY wants special treatment for himself, perfectly trying to emulate EVS), because I don't think Zack is CG either. He doesn't engage with it, whilst they hold him like Jesus and have been worshipping him for years now. Zack should just be clear at this point about whether or not he thinks EVS's cult practices have tarnished the name of the movement.

Oz at least makes sense of things, because he can clearly phrase himself better than spend over an hour complaining about "anti-CG" without getting to the point.

Zack won't "be clear at this point about whether or not he thinks EVS's cult practices have tarnished the name of the movement" for one reason. $$$$$$$$$$$$

Oz's brain is clearly twice as effective as Liam's rage filled amygdala. Thank God he's there to keep the conversation on track and stick a pin in the bullshit of hypocritical goofs like Micah. Of course Oz is wrong with all his collectivist bullshit and purity testing but at least he's intellectually consistent about his cult membership.

Ethan, Micah, Ro and all the rest are all about the collective too until there's an opportunity to squeeze an extra buck out of 'muh CG'.

The mainstream is SJW and the enemy but Ethan puts his art on SJW books covers to squeeze money out of his paypigs and they cheer. Suddenly the people who platform Gail Simone are great to do business with.

Ro loses his shit about adjacents like Anna skipping the queue but says what's the big deal when Richard uses an anti to sell his book and it's "what do you want me to do about it?" It's almost like Anna's cover wasn't the issue but rather the excuse to go to war with Malin and Cecil. CGOnly except when Meyer hires a great artist who wouldn't piss on Ro to save him from burning to death. Then it's cool. But Anna's the enemy.

This is just a guess but I'm pretty sure Meyer would like Micah to stop refering to him as "my friend Richard" but I get a laugh out of the clout chasing every time I here it.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't pay attention to the CG/Anti-CG faggotry like most of us sane adults. I don't know who any of these people are, but then again, I have a life beyond the internet.

This thread is about laughing at "CG/Anti-CG faggotry" so paying attention to it is part of the fun.

If your not here for the fun what are you here for?

EDIT: Liam loses his shit on Von Klaus for a Twitter beef that apparently needed dredging up.

Pandemic Liam is the best version of Liam.

 

[CapeKnight]

Zack won't "be clear at this point about whether or not he thinks EVS's cult practices have tarnished the name of the movement" for one reason. $$$$$$$$$$$$

Oz's brain is clearly twice as effective as Liam's rage filled amygdala. Thank God he's there to keep the conversation on track and stick a pin in the bullshit of hypocritical goofs like Micah. Of course Oz is wrong with all his collectivist bullshit and purity testing but at least he's intellectually consistent about his cult membership.

$$$$$ is why I hold out on backing Zack a lot. And his writing. I like the art that other artists contributes to his work, and I actually kinda like Devil Dog. It makes him hypocritical at times to act like he cares about the art if it's about the $$$$$. It's why I had an allergic reaction to the faggot that is EVS.

Oz is definitely wrong about his purity testing, but you're right that he's consistent. Makes it easier for me to like him.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Liam and Oz are correct in bringing up that for years it's been expected for most people in CG to be subject to purity testing of their creative teams while higher up people like Zack are apparently exempt from this rule and are free to associate with non-CG people like Von Klaus, Miss Sashi or Dynamite Comics as they wish, and that this is an inconsistency.

They then argue that in order to resolve this double standard everyone involved with a CG project should be pro-CG and subject to evaluation equally, which is the opposite conclusion than I would take, but it's something they're arguing for in a relatively honest and direct manner. Not some mealy mouthed "what do you want me to do about it bro?" when the case is someone you cant get power over like Zack.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Some days he's on Martina Markota's livestream as her writer for the CG project "Lady Alchemy" and other days he's on Pocket Jacks' show. I don't follow him that closely but it's clear that he's his own man and wouldn't pass the sort of purity tests a lot of CG speds in WC/Liam cry out for,

 

[CapeKnight]

Liam and Oz are correct in bringing up that for years it's been expected for most people in CG to be subject to purity testing of their creative teams while higher up people like Zack are apparently exempt from this rule and are free to associate with non-CG people like Von Klaus, Miss Sashi or Dynamite Comics as they wish, and that this is an inconsistency.

They then argue that in order to resolve this double standard everyone involved with a CG project should be pro-CG and subject to evaluation equally, which is the opposite conclusion than I would take, but it's something they're arguing for in a relatively honest and direct manner. Not some mealy mouthed "what do you want me to do about it bro?" when the case is someone you cant get power over like Zack.

It's probably correct to bring it up (although I don't think Liam is the right candidate to have done that, since he's doing a lot of it out of being spiteful for his treatment in the past). But here's the kicker, there are "critics" and people, whom, to CG, they'd consider "Anti-CG" that have brought up the double standard, and that's apparently the defining arguments to identify people as "Anti-CG", which again, really brings home to what CG really stands for, and if you define that, then by default, you will define what "Anti-CG" is. Liam and Oz are bringing up the same complaints the "Anti-CG"s made about double standards, but are also vouching for purity testings. Which should be clear as day that "CG" means different things to everyone at this point, therefore, what they perceive as "Anti-CG" is also different individually.

Might be why Preston's CG will survive (although I predict certain former CG folks who flock to Preston's CG as a refugee will try and turn this into another CG spergfest). Preston outlined his clear rules on what it is.

 

[A nameless trool]

Pandemic Liam is the best version of Liam.

I am 14 minutes in.
Me, as a normal person, I realize that Zack and Antonio are friends with both Sashi and EVS, but Sashi hates EVS because she thinks he done dirty with her friend Nerkish.
EVS is friends with Anna and (may be) with his Stan, Ro, even though they hate eachother.
Which is something anybody with real friends or real life can understand pretty well - I guess we all had friends who hated eachother or may had to distance ourselves from friends because they kept distasteful company.
What kind of an exceptional person cannot understand that?

 

[Wise Man]

Some days he's on Martina Markota's livestream as her writer for the CG project "Lady Alchemy" and other days he's on Pocket Jacks' show. I don't follow him that closely but it's clear that he's his own man and wouldn't pass the sort of purity tests a lot of CG speds in WC/Liam cry out for,

Preston is the king and owner ⛓ of CG though. Nothing anti-CG about going on his show! As far as I know Preston Poulter is himself a CG creator , he's anti-EDVS (never got that reacharound) not anti-CG.

In either case, the little Ethan Sciver fiefdom isn't the totality of ComicsGate. It's also the thousands of consumers that reject the mainstream content and behavior. (only to find much of it has unfortunately been carried over to the indies)

As for Yaboi, his version of Comicsgate is the promotion of quality material and good customer interaction/service as an alternative to the bad parts of the main stream. The faction wars don't concern him, as his definition is so broad in can include all.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Oh, I use "Anti-CG" in quotation marks because in every real sense Preston and that whole group are a subset of Comicsgate apostates than anything truly "anti-". Specifically, they're a subset of CG that adopts the general principles and even the Frog-devised networked platform business model, but opposes the Comicsgate community. They're the Trotskyites of Ya Boi-Frogism. The claiming ownership of "real Comicsgate" is a parallel so accurate I couldn't have made it up myself.

As for Zack, his ideas of what Comicsgate is about are so relevant he will no longer openly discuss the subject or even associate with people who call themselves Comicsgate. Lest the success that validates his original thesis on comic books suddenly dry up and float away on the wind, leaving him another obsolete Captain Cummings.

 

[Newman's Own]

Which is something anybody with real friends or real life can understand pretty well - I guess we all had friends who hated eachother or may had to distance ourselves from friends because they kept distasteful company.
What kind of an exceptional person cannot understand that?

What kind?

Ethan who lost his shit on Mitch because Mitch's exwriter liked a tweet.
Malin who fucked with Mike's game because Mike remained friends with Tennaple.
Ro and WarCampaign who lost it on Malin and Cecil for promoting Anna who they've hated since Ro fucked up with the sister comments.
Liam who loses it on everybody for their associations because he's a purity testing machine.
And Ethan again and again.
And the list goes on.

"What kind of an exceptional person cannot understand that?"

Definitely the ComicsGate kind.

It 's just one of the many reasons they are such entertaining spergs to watch. They all talk about how they hate gate keeping while they gate-keep each other and the shunned without a hint of self awareness.

It's pretty entertaining to watch. You can't pay to see exceptionalism on the level that ComicsGate has achieved.

 

[Absurdity]

Preston is the king and owner of CG though. Nothing anti-CG about going on his show. As far as I know Preston Poulter is himself a CG creator, he's anti-EDVS not anti CG.

In either case, the little Ethan Sciver fiefdom isn't the totality of ComicsGate. It's also the thousands of consumers that reject the mainstream content and behavior, only to find much of it has unfortunately been carried over to the indies.

As for Yaboi, his version of Comicsgate is the promotion of quality material and good customer interaction/service as an alternative to the bad parts of the main stream. The faction wars don't concern him, as his definition is so broad in can include all.

I'll take it one step further: drop the -gate suffix altogether. Every time there's a big controversy a "-gate" is slapped on the back of it. The progressive SJW stuff has been around for a very long time and it seems like the more money is pumped into any given industry, the less talented and more opinionated the creatives tend to be. Just call it "comic books." If I were to come up with a better descriptor of Zack's brand it would be YouTuber Comics. You get a whole ton of added interaction than you do with the regular brands. The big drawback seems to be meeting deadlines and quantity, though considering RCM's strength was color commentary, it's understandable.

EVS's brand is more like Entertainment Reviewer Sewer. He takes the color commentary and amps it up to a point of antagonizing just about everyone at some point. The balance you would expect from a seasoned professional isn't there. He doesn't give people much space to operate. It boils down to an unchecked urge for dominance recognition. His talent is incredible but even if he was the greatest artist of all time, he still wouldn't be justified in doing what he's doing. He's so good, his work ought to speak for itself, but as we've seen with CG, the "promotion" is used as a cover for all kinds of ridiculous subterfuge and all out sabotage with the YouTube drama, the gay-ops and the doxxing. Now it feels like the promotion is an end to itself in an ever-constricting cult of personality. And the actual comics and characters are nowhere near on the level of the work he was doing before at the big two.

Preston has a much more grounded approach and he excels at one of the least appealing parts of comic books, the writing. He's got a great work ethic and a sustainable business model, but the actual IPs are softcore lipstick lesbian fantasies coupled with a good old traditional third wave feminism which, with all its surface sex appeal, doesn't make for great characters in my opinion. I think his trademarking of Comicsgate is brilliant and funny, I just don't believe it can be rehabilitated as a good brand.

In the end, the main thing will be strength of character. It helps if the creators have some of their own to lend to their creations.

A bold claim from Sashi indeed. That's fine, Zack getting dragged onto another livestream to declare his allegiance will clear that right up. But yeah, again it's fine. CG doesn't totally doesn't purity test people, except when they do

Yep. WC, Liam & Co are here primarily to provide the purity testing on behalf of Ethan. That way, Ethan can orchestrate behind the scenes while claiming he doesn't care publicly. As long as he has a loyal group he can claim is a representative of the people's CG (the people who have bought or who want to buy his comics).

Notice how money is the measure of whether a comic is "good". That may have been the case when the buyer had a chance to read the comic before they bought it in their local comic store, now they're more like buying a ticket to a movie you liked the trailer for. There is way more emphasis on branding and social media hype. By the time you actually get a chance to read what you paid for, the product may or may not measure up. The emphasis on quality is transferred from the actual product to the promotion instead. Sign of the times, I guess.

 

[Adamska]

In the opener to one of his videos a couple of weeks ago he more or less admitted that is Exactly what the book is.
He was addressing the confusion about why the hell his main character appeared to be the epitome of every stereotype he usually mocks, a black woman with an SJW haircut that loves the science.
YaBoi basically admitted that the experiment was to see if he could write a better book and characters than Mags using all the same tropes that she employs. Pandemic, it seems, is one big salty troll.

Wow, how absolutely a-loggy and delusional. Given he's shipping extra copies for his newest campaign as a perk, I almost suspect he over produced too, and expected people to buy it too.

No one in Zack's audience wants to really read this (most of the buys I bet was just to support him); this shit in the dead comics industry was WHY he became popular; they wanted to avoid this sort of shit. I like the guy and think he's an okay comic writer, but this was a complete misstep.

Surprised nobody reported on this sooner since I know a lot of Kiwi's watch Liam Gray's channel, @Mister Dongs I'm looking at you.

Liam in a very sneakily and cryptic way implied to his audience that they should think about supporting Zack's latest Jawbreakers campaign since Sashi is still doing the pin-up posters for Zacks campaign. The idiot also doesn't realize that she has done the pin-ups for Godking and Iron Sights 2 campaigns since her fallout with Comicsgate.
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After suggesting this he started getting called out in chat for trying to sabotage Zacks campaign and clarified by saying he wasn't telling his audience not to back the book but rather that Zack should reconsider working with Sashi.
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In the third clip; Liam talks about how Comicsgate gives money to Zack and then Zack gives money to Sashi for the pin-ups and that money comes from "us." Which is interesting language for Liam because according to his Indiegogo profile, he has never backed any of Zack's books, not one.

https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/18874334/campaigns

http://archive.li/Zoaq1

The chat seems split three ways people who don't like Sashi, people who like Sashi and others who don't know who she is. Liam very disingenuously pretends not to know why Sashi has a problem with Comicsgate until users start pointing out the Gobblegate incident whereby she was harassed by Ethan, Praetorian and Warcampaign. Liam then has a good chuckle reminiscing on the fun times.
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EDIT: I like Liams clearly fake laughter in the above clip as he tries to explain the Gobblegate drama to his clearly confused guest.



At least one CG sperg refunded Zack due to him continuing to work with Sashi.
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And continued to spam the chat with anti-Zack sentiment.
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EDIT 2: More from Caligula
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Some others commented they wouldn't supporting Zack either however others said they would so the chat remained split.

The full stream is here, I haven't finished watching it yet but Liam implies his next stream will continue the topic further.

So Ethan's gay little CorpSec he supports and definitely works with (for all his sad and low-iq attempts to lie he doesn't) to crush people that outshine him in his mind in this group bites the wrong dog again.

This is why you don't use mongos and assets.

It's not the first time Liam tried to aim for Zack's neck either. I think if someone goes back pages in either this or the other thread, I mentioned it as well that Liam was aiming for Zack for awhiiiiiile now. Seems like he wants to take Zack's place as CG's "prominent writer".

Just a few livestreams ago, someone pretended to be Zack in the chat, and wanted to come on, and Liam quickly went "No, I'm not letting Zack on, I don't know the guy" but then Ethan shows up, he quickly lets Ethan on.

Liam ain't gonna win that way; I barely know who he is.

 

[Absurdity]

Zack's initial laid-back everyman common sense approach to comics supplied the CG movement with a lot of good will. Ethan has done his best to erode all that. Eventually, there has to be some sort of reckoning.

 

[KingofNothing]

Wow, how absolutely a-loggy and delusional. Given he's shipping extra copies for his newest campaign as a perk, I almost suspect he over produced too, and expected people to buy it too.

No one in Zack's audience wants to really read this (most of the buys I bet was just to support him); this shit in the dead comics industry was WHY he became popular; they wanted to avoid this sort of shit.

Actually he nixed that idea and just has another campaign open(he fell asleep before he could make it indemand) which is odd because he was supposed to do that to help offset shipping fees of a single book for his international backers. International backers have said they won't buy it specifically because of the shipping issue, so I don't understand why he didn't do that.

 

[Smug Freiza]

I'm about an hour in to the latest Live with Liam stream, he really has a bug up his arse about this whole Sashi deal. You know you've dug yourself into a dark place when Ro Kabir and Micah Curtis seem like the voices of reason. I won't be uploading any clips today since it seems like most Kiwi's have watched it anyway but my lord Liam doesn't fail to disappoint.

Currently his policy appears to be going scorched earth and his now attacking Von Klaus for his involvement with Sashi and for calling him an amateur with Xenotype, which as his first work clearly he is. He also seems to be sharpening his knives against Sweeney and the Oddity team for their involvement with Sashi on their campaign, I think Liam could be the powderkeg that sets off the explosion of resentment that has slowly been building up in Comicsgate for quite some time.

No clips, but here are some choice comments from the stream:

The "Lords vs Peasants" divide that was initially opened with Anna's cover and Jon Malin calling Rob Cacy a cunt (both drama's largely playing out on Liam's streams) has only widened. The chatter from people within the chat about boycotting Zack over Sashi's pin-up has only grown louder as the peasants feel like they are being downtrodden by their CG overlords.

Ethan is in the chat trying to calm the peasants down with sensible rational points, however it is too little too late since for the past 2 years he has been indoctrinating the masses with his tribalist propaganda to hate the outsider.

Daddy Caesar seems to be losing his influence with the masses, drowned out by the sharpening of the peasants pitchforks and the lighting of torches.

The peasant revolt seem's to be building and The Black Dragon (Ro Kabir) seems poised ready to take advantage of the chaos during his Caesar's moment of weakness.

Will Caesar Victorius; Ethan VanFatman, Lord of the Pie's be able to survive the coming wave of disenfranchised paypiggies who had once placed their hopes in him? Will the Black Dragon take flight and plunge it's talons deep into his back? Will Liam Gray finally resume taking his medication and not act like a complete and utter sped?

Find out the answers to all these questions and more, on the next exciting episode of Comicsgate: The Speds Rebellion!

Also LOL

https://twitter.com/RetroBoy1983/status/1257070481670201345

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