Furry Fandom and Drama General

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I saw it happen in RF15. Dude just collapsed. Everyone thought he was having a heatstroke but it turned out to be LSD or something later. He was cut out of his suit by EMTs. Shit was wild. He made it but he was losing his shit about being cut out since it ruined the suit.

...now tell us abou the pooping in the pool thing, please.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

...now tell us abou the pooping in the pool thing, please.

Oh, that was pretty widely reported on. It's mentioned in Internet Historian's video if you go look at that.

I wasn't present for that one but the day after it happened, I was eating lunch at the hotel. A group behind me was talking about it pretty loudly (and laughing) so it was really difficult to not eavesdrop. I vaguely remember the group just being a bunch of skinny twink / scene kids - late teens, early 20's. Dunno if one of them was responsible or if they just heard about it & were having a laugh. It didn't sound like they were the ones that did it so I'm gonna go with the later. Didn't ask for a follow-up. Promptly threw out what was remaining of my lunch and left. Suddenly lost my appetite for some reason

 

[CIA Nigger]

I did did come across this though, if you want more content for your OP. In addition to what that post talks about re: feces in Anthrocon hotel rooms, I remember hearing rumblings that cat furries had litterboxes in their rooms and were shitting in them.

I know someone who at least knows people who work at the con hotels in Anthrocon and they've had issues with hotels being trashed by furries so this is definitely a thing.

I say hotels because just like what that post mentioned, Anthrocon is unique in the sense that instead of being contained in one hotel or two hotels it sprawls out over tons of hotels for the same con. They literally have shuttles to take you to the hotels that are literally blocks away.

 

[Lion]

remember the guy who was supposably on molly’s and was tripping so hard outside a hallway BLFC18 in a diaper?

 

[Pukebucket]

I know someone who at least knows people who work at the con hotels in Anthrocon and they've had issues with hotels being trashed by furries so this is definitely a thing.

I say hotels because just like what that post mentioned, Anthrocon is unique in the sense that instead of being contained in one hotel or two hotels it sprawls out over tons of hotels for the same con. They literally have shuttles to take you to the hotels that are literally blocks away.

I feel like this is the case for a lot of fan conventions, at least those with high rates of visitors who happen to be both remarkably entitled and mentally ill. Back when Homestuck was big there was a lot of shit about hotel bathrooms getting fucked inside out with grey paint that stained bathtubs which thrashed the plumbing, for instance.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

I feel like this is the case for a lot of fan conventions, at least those with high rates of visitors who happen to be both remarkably entitled and mentally ill. Back when Homestuck was big there was a lot of shit about hotel bathrooms getting fucked inside out with grey paint that stained bathtubs which thrashed the plumbing, for instance.

I remember someone telling me the reason that Pokemon tournaments aren't held at the World Conference Center in Seattle is because apparently shit got smeared all over the walls of one of the bathrooms following one event. Now it's hosted out of Key Arena which is a smaller and somewhat more out of the way venue.

 

[Balthasar Gelt]

Is this the same https://twitter.com/SplatFennec?

This doesn't look too good.

 

[Racoober]

Is this the same https://twitter.com/SplatFennec?

This doesn't look too good.

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Looks like one of those Chinese knock offs tbh

 

[BillyGoat2]

Is this the same https://twitter.com/SplatFennec?

This doesn't look too good.

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on another note, that led me to this interesting tweet that he had retweeted.
Archive of a google cache, sorry.
and image. Supposedly this fellow is like 9k USD behind in unfinished commissions. Ive no idea if this person has been posted before.

a couple artist bewares

Caution: Dubmutt

Who: Dubmutt Where: Twitter @dub_mutt What: Graphic art print Amount: $19.49 Details: On May 11, 2019, I purchased one of Dubmutt’s prints on a site called Storeenvy. The order came to $19.49. The description said that she ships these same day if purchased before 2pm, which I had done. June 5th c...

artistsbeware.info

Beware: Dubmutt

Back in July 2017 I applied for Dubmutt’s fursuit opening for a slot on their January-May 2018 queue. I wanted a fursuit head of my character Loki, he was to have magnetic eyelids, septum, and plugs. Everything seemed to be going well, I received an email accepting my commission and we moved forw...

artistsbeware.info

and the FA

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/dubmuttcostumes/

And a trello that hasnt been updated in over a year. apperently they noped out of the fandom without telling anyone.

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

trello.com

 

[Corn Flakes]

on another note, that led me to this interesting tweet that he had retweeted.
Archive of a google cache, sorry.
and image. Supposedly this fellow is like 9k USD behind in unfinished commissions. Ive no idea if this person has been posted before.
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a couple artist bewares

Caution: Dubmutt

Who: Dubmutt Where: Twitter @dub_mutt What: Graphic art print Amount: $19.49 Details: On May 11, 2019, I purchased one of Dubmutt’s prints on a site called Storeenvy. The order came to $19.49. The description said that she ships these same day if purchased before 2pm, which I had done. June 5th c...

artistsbeware.info

Beware: Dubmutt

Back in July 2017 I applied for Dubmutt’s fursuit opening for a slot on their January-May 2018 queue. I wanted a fursuit head of my character Loki, he was to have magnetic eyelids, septum, and plugs. Everything seemed to be going well, I received an email accepting my commission and we moved forw...

artistsbeware.info

and the FA

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/dubmuttcostumes/

And a trello that hasnt been updated in over a year. apperently they noped out of the fandom without telling anyone.

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

trello.com

Do we have any white knights defending them? Because those are always the best part!

Hot tip to anyone who commissions art (I've seen this happening outside of furry circles, too): never commission any artist that charges in advance. Demand to have at least the sketch ready before paying. If it's something that requires materials to produce like a sculpture, a costume or (god forbid) a fursuit, set up a payment plan in which you pay in installments based on the craftsman's progress on the piece.

"Oh, but they need money to buy the materials!"
Anyone who can't budget that initial investment shouldn't be offering the product in the first place.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Do we have any white knights defending them? Because those are always the best part!

Hot tip to anyone who commissions art (I've seen this happening outside of furry circles, too): never commission any artist who charges in advance. Demand to have at least the sketch ready before paying. If it's something that requires materials to produce like a sculpture, a costume or (god forbid) a fursuit, set up a payment plan in which you pay in installments based on the craftsman's progress on the piece.

"Oh, but they need money to buy the materials!"
Anyone who can't budget that initial investment shouldn't be offering the product in the first place.

You're talking about people who make a living online but hasn't set up their own personal website or at least spread to more than one social media platform out of spite, which led to them losing their livelihood when Tumblr died.

Starting your own business should be exciting; setting up a schedule, being transparent and professional, making a name for yourself. Instead, people bank on becoming so good at drawing they can get away with being bad people instead of capitalizing on their actual skills and make $250 a day with one hand in the morning.

 

[Corn Flakes]

You're talking about people who make a living online but hasn't set up their own personal website or at least spread to more than one social media platform out of spite, which led to them losing their livelihood when Tumblr died.

Starting your own business should be exciting; setting up a schedule, being transparent and professional, making a name for yourself. Instead, people bank on becoming so good at drawing they can get away with being bad people instead of capitalizing on their actual skills and make $250 a day with one hand in the morning.

What's tragic about how those things work is that I've seen artists that are professional and hard-working getting zero attention. Why? Because spend very little time on social media (since they're actually busy working compared to the average drama queen), so they don't become well-known, don't get a lot of clients, and end up having to price themselves incredibly low or slide into very heavy fetish niches in order to capture the el-cheapo furry bottom-feeder demographic.

Particularly among furries, even a complete unknown with middling skills can become very popular very quickly by either stirring up drama, becoming friends with, or being commissioned a few times by a popufur or another. Networking is important for any business, but when it comes to furries it's disproportionately vital.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

I'm not even sure where this should be posted but considering that Warrior Cats RP is basically the entry point to becoming a furry, I'm posting it here

TL;DR Edgy rp group pisses off a ton of small children to make an even edgier rp group in order to get them to stop posting cringe. Both post immense cringe and eventually they m.ilk themselves dry

 

[LurkerDog]

What's tragic about how those things work is that I've seen artists that are professional and hard-working getting zero attention. Why? Because spend very little time on social media (since they're actually busy working compared to the average drama queen), so they don't become well-known, don't get a lot of clients, and end up having to price themselves incredibly low or slide into very heavy fetish niches in order to capture the el-cheapo furry bottom-feeder demographic.

Particularly among furries, even a complete unknown with middling skills can become very popular very quickly by either stirring up drama, becoming friends with, or being commissioned a few times by a popufur or another. Networking is important for any business, but when it comes to furries it's disproportionately vital.

Don't forget the artists who take a step into another social media and get stalked, berated, harassed and blocked by furries because "style theft" from someone they've never seen before. Furries with over 2.5k followers like to act like they're the highest artist in the fandom and will take down any furry over the dumbest shit and still look like a god.

What I don't understand is, why would you commission someone if their entire Twitter feed is screaming and crying about "abuse, harassment and someone who 'stole' their style?"

 

[CIA Nigger]

What's tragic about how those things work is that I've seen artists that are professional and hard-working getting zero attention. Why? Because spend very little time on social media (since they're actually busy working compared to the average drama queen), so they don't become well-known, don't get a lot of clients, and end up having to price themselves incredibly low or slide into very heavy fetish niches in order to capture the el-cheapo furry bottom-feeder demographic.

Particularly among furries, even a complete unknown with middling skills can become very popular very quickly by either stirring up drama, becoming friends with, or being commissioned a few times by a popufur or another. Networking is important for any business, but when it comes to furries it's disproportionately vital.

You're forgetting the other ticket to popularity that's forgotten about with all the drama that's been popular: drawing pornographic fanart/rule 34. I've seen artists get huge off e621 reposts and social media retweets/reblogs because they drew porn of Pokemon characters quite well. For a while it wasn't uncommon in the pre-Patreon days for artists to get huge by drawing porn of the latest show/video game popular with furries.

Drawing only clean art on the other hand will make you just another furry artist. That cracked furry porn article said it well still, furries and the internet have higher expectations of SFW furry art than they do porn.

Don't forget the artists who take a step into another social media and get stalked, berated, harassed and blocked by furries because "style theft" from someone they've never seen before. Furries with over 2.5k followers like to act like they're the highest artist in the fandom and will take down any furry over the dumbest shit and still look like a god.

What I don't understand is, why would you commission someone if their entire Twitter feed is screaming and crying about "abuse, harassment and someone who 'stole' their style?"

Furries don't give two shits about if the artists are scammers or drama whores, as long as they can slap their salami or have art from a specific artist. Someone like artdecade might be a drama whore who spends his free time whining about politics, but when he uploads art to somewhere like e621 it's not uncommon for it to get 50+ upvotes. Artists like Falvie might have also had issues with not delivering on art, yet could still get commissions based on brand name alone.

They'd rather have a brand name artist than an unknown one produce content with their fursona. Never mind the fact that having an unknown artist produce content could help said artist get more business.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

What's tragic about how those things work is that I've seen artists that are professional and hard-working getting zero attention. Why? Because spend very little time on social media (since they're actually busy working compared to the average drama queen), so they don't become well-known, don't get a lot of clients, and end up having to price themselves incredibly low or slide into very heavy fetish niches in order to capture the el-cheapo furry bottom-feeder demographic.

Particularly among furries, even a complete unknown with middling skills can become very popular very quickly by either stirring up drama, becoming friends with, or being commissioned a few times by a popufur or another. Networking is important for any business, but when it comes to furries it's disproportionately vital.

Being an independent creative is a shitty career choice in general because of what they have to do to make a living.

• A self-employed creator’s income depends entirely on the market value of his creations, whether he does paid commission work (typically retaining ownership of the artwork created unless license to that artwork is explicitly surrendered in writing), sells original creations, or receives royalties from a publisher.
• The market value of a creative work has only an extremely tenuous relationship with the amount of time and expense that was poured into it. Creators also have a bad habit of not realizing when they’ve fucked up and should start over. There’s a wonderful little art gallery in real life called the Museum of Bad Art, which is entirely dedicated to artists who fucked up majorly during the design or execution of some painting or another and proceeded to dedicate a hilarious amount of time and effort to it anyway. Those paintings are fished out of dumpsters.
• What most creative works’ market values do depend on, almost entirely, is public perception: The market value of works made by the same artist, as well as that artist’s popularity. If you win the lottery and one of your creations becomes famous you can make big bucks shitting out zero-effort works for the rest of your life, same if you yourself become well-enough known that possession of your work becomes a status symbol.

tl;dr: Art as a career is a popularity contest, especially when there are half a million other bozos who know how to draw a nude human figure with a tail and a cartoon animal head just as well as you do. A fuckton of furries take up art because they see the huge prices on popular artists’ commissions and their eyes turn to dollar signs and they start thinking money for nothing and chicks for free. Little do they realize that on average, the guys installing microwave ovens and custom kitchen deliveries are far better off than furry commission slaves, and those guys don’t debase themselves publicly to get their paycheck.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Pepper Coyote tries to decipher the texting slang of the Alt-Right. The results may shock you.

https://archive.fo/2dme7

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Pepper Coyote tries to decipher the texting slang of the Alt-Right. The results may shock you.
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https://archive.fo/2dme7

A take hotter than a latex fire at a Bad Dragon workshop. “You think it’s just a meme? I’ll bet you thought a literal murder was just a meme too.”

Pepper Coyote is a child holding a fresh turd and trying to smear it across the faces of other random children who once slighted him.

 

[Corn Flakes]

tl;dr: Art as a career is a popularity contest, especially when there are half a million other bozos who know how to draw a nude human figure with a tail and a cartoon animal head just as well as you do. A fuckton of furries take up art because they see the huge prices on popular artists’ commissions and their eyes turn to dollar signs and they start thinking money for nothing and chicks for free. Little do they realize that on average, the guys installing microwave ovens and custom kitchen deliveries are far better off than furry commission slaves, and those guys don’t debase themselves publicly to get their paycheck.

There's also some amount of furry artists who aren't dyed-in-the-wool furries, but treat is as basically a summer job while they're doing other things.

Powerleveling a bit for context: I'm a self-published writer so I had to contact artists a few times to get covers drawn. If you look around a bit you'll find artists who are not only willing to draw non-furry content but also competent at it and glad to do it. Usually artists who are either building up a portfolio on the side to submit to publishers, trying to find work in the concept art industry, or trying to build a fanbase in more "respectable" communities like the D&D/fantasy/worldbuilding communities on reddit, and do furry art/porn as a "furries have a LOT of disposable income" temp gig.

It's not even all that uncommon outside of furry circles. IIRC the creator of Superman drew porn before hitting it big, and a lot of manga artists start out as hentai doujinshi creators. It's just worse among furries since the fandom is so porn-centric.

I think those guys who treat furry porn with a "eh, it pays the bills while I'm working on other things" attitude have a chance -- a slim chance -- to succeed if they do manage to branch beyond the furry fandom. Those who embrace the fandom and want to get popular specifically as a furry artist? They're fucked. The fandom may have seemingly-unlimited funds, but it can only sustain so many Miles-DFs.

 

[WannabeDictator]

You're forgetting the other ticket to popularity that's forgotten about with all the drama that's been popular: drawing pornographic fanart/rule 34. I've seen artists get huge off e621 reposts and social media retweets/reblogs because they drew porn of Pokemon characters quite well. For a while it wasn't uncommon in the pre-Patreon days for artists to get huge by drawing porn of the latest show/video game popular with furries.

Drawing only clean art on the other hand will make you just another furry artist. That cracked furry porn article said it well still, furries and the internet have higher expectations of SFW furry art than they do porn.


Furries don't give two shits about if the artists are scammers or drama whores, as long as they can slap their salami or have art from a specific artist. Someone like artdecade might be a drama whore who spends his free time whining about politics, but when he uploads art to somewhere like e621 it's not uncommon for it to get 50+ upvotes. Artists like Falvie might have also had issues with not delivering on art, yet could still get commissions based on brand name alone.

They'd rather have a brand name artist than an unknown one produce content with their fursona. Never mind the fact that having an unknown artist produce content could help said artist get more business.

It's probably because furfags only fuck with fags they meet at their furcons orgy festivals

I think those guys who treat furry porn with a "eh, it pays the bills while I'm working on other things" attitude have a chance -- a slim chance -- to succeed if they do manage to branch beyond the furry fandom. Those who embrace the fandom and want to get popular specifically as a furry artist? They're fucked. The fandom may have seemingly-unlimited funds, but it can only sustain so many Miles-DFs.

Obviously the furfag fandom isn't a large demographic so they won't ever have media based around them like the leagues larger superhero/Popular video game fandom.