The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

Flynt's Missing Pecker said:
They had already been evacuated out of their homes.

The ‘Final Solution’ was to move them out of Germany. Initially the plan was to make the French take them in Madagascar but then they decided to move them to the Soviet Union.
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Yeah, why is that I can't seem to find any actual record of that? The records of the camps, even in Allied territory, were found. Unless you're saying thousands of people died over the course of a week in Dachau from "heart attacks," in which case the traditional jewish diet is worse than I thought

Also, why is it that we have very detailed records of what Mengele did to the Gypsies? Do Gypsies count for anything here, or
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
Also, why is it that we have very detailed records of what Mengele did to the Gypsies? Do Gypsies count for anything here, or
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1. Who is debating what Mengele did or didn’t do?
2. I have no idea of these records, but ask yourself, why would they keep detailed records of this and not the millions gassed?
 
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Flynt's Missing Pecker said:
1. Who is debating what Mengele did or didn’t do?
2. I have no idea of these records, but ask yourself, why would they keep detailed records of this and not the millions gassed?
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1. Apparently you, since you don't seem to think the Holocaust happened
2. Germans keep very detailed, autistic records. You can access them yourself if you did a cursory Google search.
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
1. Apparently you, since you don't seem to think the Holocaust happened
2. Germans keep very detailed, autistic records. You can access them yourself if you did a cursory Google search.
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1. Please define for me what the Holocaust is. Be precise please, because I want to know what I’m being accused of denying.

2. I thought the Germans destroyed their records? Didn’t they try and cover up all their evil deeds? Are these Schrodinger’s Records, that appear when you want to claim something but also vanish when you can’t prove something?
 
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Flynt's Missing Pecker said:
1. Please define for me what the Holocaust is. Be precise please, because I want to know what I’m being accused of denying.

2. I thought the Germans destroyed their records? Didn’t they try and cover up all their evil deeds? Are these Schrodinger’s Records, that appear when you want to claim something but also vanish when you can’t prove something?
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1. The Holocaust is considered by historians to be the organized extermination of European Jewry by the Greater German Reich and its allies via the extermination thru labor system, which was implemented according to the protocols of the Wannsee Conference. In the mind of the general public it's considered to be the efforts by the Greater German Reich to exterminate Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, as well as Aktion T4, which was the efforts to exterminate those considered to be "life unworthy of life": those with congenital disabilities, the mentally retarded, etc. It is notable that this last caused wartime protests in towns where "sanitariums" for euthanization occurred. Also, despite popular opinion, the Catholic Church issued encyclicals that good Catholics were to protect those who were at most risk for persecution; in the wartime period this was generally thought to be Jews and the disabled. (It's useful to note that after the war the Grand Rabbi of Rome converted, partially because of the actual safety that the Church gave to Jews during the war.)

2. They didn't destroy all of them, obviously, but a lot were seized by the Soviets and classified in their archives until after the Cold War. In addition, as the extermination thru labor camps were liberated, masses of records were found half-burnt. A useful analogy would be the East German Stasi burning as many of their records as they could in 1989, but failing at doing it. My grandfather was literally at Dachau and saw some of this firsthand (Army Air Corps). You can talk about "muh typhus" and "muh supply lines" all you want, but it was the govt of the Greater German Reich that put these people in the camps, classified them as NOT German citizens but something akin to "stateless subjects," and before the war sponsored public pogroms like Kristallnacht which brought international condemnation upon the Germans.
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
Hitler himself strapped a flamethrower to his chest and decided he wanted some crispy Trump's Chosen People, so he hoarded all the Trump's Chosen People in Berlin into the super duper Jewtorium and went after them like Hank Scorpio
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Yes but how did he get the fuel? and I demand you to personally show me you the recept from the weirmacht quartermaster.
 
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Emperor Julian said:
Yes but how did he get the fuel? and I demand you to personally show me you the recept from the weirmacht quartermaster.
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Hitler, as the avatar of the Aryan race, was genius enough to be able to synthesize his own fuel from the first Jew he killed, which happened to be a time traveller who came back specifically to kill him. Hitler had problems with time travelling Jews, and was trying to kill them all to stop it from happening, as well as use Nazi super science in order to build an anti-time travel device he would have put around Berechtsgarden.
 
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@RichardMongler, and anyone else interested in more of what I have to say on this I'll have something more for you Monday, hopefully. I started a new job recently, and I've had to deal with a few other personal issues, so my time to sit and compose long posts has been limited.

I won't delve into the whole Irving v Lipstadt case tonight, but I'll look into it.

I will tell all of you that the denialist vs. believer drama has never really been a major source of interest to me outside of simply seeing what documents they use to substantiate their claims. I'm not readily going to give either side more credibility than the other, and I don't usually engage or research the slapfights, litigious or the usual partisan monochrome internet zealotry, that occur over the holocaust from time to time. There is still plenty of info to dig through, online and off, biased or not.
To deal with debate and discussion of those outcomes if you have only a cursory interest in them as I do just strikes me as a waste of my time, when I am merely trying to learn all I can, as apolitically as I can.
 
Occam's Spork said:
I will tell all of you that the denialist vs. believer drama has never really been a major source of interest to me outside of simply seeing what documents they use to substantiate their claims.
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Don’t you think the onus is on the ‘believers’ to substantiate their claims. They want us to believe over 11 million people killed by the Nazis and ‘death camps’ with gas chambers , I’d hope you’d have some strong evidence.


If I claimed 9/11 actually killed 9 million people and was ordered by the Israeli government. What would your first questions be?
 
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Flynt's Missing Pecker said:
Don’t you think the onus is on the ‘believers’ to substantiate their claims. They want us to believe over 11 million people killed by the Nazis and ‘death camps’ with gas chambers , I’d hope you’d have some strong evidence.


If I claimed 9/11 actually killed 9 million people and was ordered by the Israeli government. What would your first questions be?
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The gas chambers in the camps probably weren't the sole method of committing mass murder.
 
From what I've read, it was, especially from December 1941 onward.

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Flynt's Missing Pecker said:
Your first example, is again, apparently a mass grave where 70,000 bodies were buried but then dug up again and burnt on giant grilles (survivor testimony, I am not embellishing). Conveniently leaving no evidence. I’m pretty sure bullets don’t burn, but as of today no one has bothered to search the site for the thousands of shells that would have been used in the initial execution.
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"Bullets don't burn"

No, but it's likely they could have used said bullets for something else instead of just having them lie there in the ovens.
 
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Well, when you have a regime supposedly hellbent on killing as many as people as possible, they'll find a way. That, and the fact that evidence hasn't come around to suggest that the documentations the Nazis used to record all this are forgeries.
 
FlamingPie said:
Bullets don't burn"

No, but it's likely they could have used said bullets for something else instead of just having them lie there in the ovens.
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They weren’t burnt in ovens at Babi Yar. They were burnt on giant granite supported grilles at the site of the burial ground.
 
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