In the video where Chloe was sitting on a chair starting it, then having to yet again beg Nadia to let her finish the video, Nadia ends up stating that the reason they have a quarrel is because of how messy it got. Nadia thought Chloe was rude to end the relationship (cause Nadia just wants love, which is why the whole Nan/Lacy/whatever deal is so upsetting for many viewers and themselves) when she didn't want it anymore. And Chloe was mad at Nadia for asking the ex-boyfriend if he wanted to be her boyfriend because she liked him. She got rejected, and Chloe got upset.
I can't find the video, but I'll look harder.
During the earlier days of Chloe's channel, I remember Chloe always saying that the channel was for education and stopping stigma, and she didn't like to reveal too much about her personal life. It's just really convenient that none of the other alters had those same reservations. And it's even more convenient that after she 'integrated', she decided she was a lot more comfortable sharing her life rather than just talking about DID in general.
I still don't understand why she felt she was qualified to educate others. Lets say she really has her little imaginary friends for realsies. Just because you have cancer doesn't mean you have an oncology degree. Especially when you are barely older than a kid.
I still don't understand why she felt she was qualified to educate others. Lets say she really has her little imaginary friends for realsies. Just because you have cancer doesn't mean you have an oncology degree. Especially when you are barely older than a kid.
(I realise I'm quoting her a lot without actually saying where she said all of these things. I can't remember where half of them are, but I'm looking and I'll edit these posts.)
When talking about the origin of her channel, she said that it was initially meant to educate friends and family after she'd got her diagnosis. She talked about how she put up a poll, I think on Instagram, and asked if anyone would be interested in her filming a video about her diagnosis, as she was still trying to learn as well. When she was starting out her channel, I genuinely don't think she expected it to get as big as it did.
That might be an additional reason why she's privating the earlier videos; not only did she not have her story straight back then, with all the respective alters, but she might not also have fact-checked that well beacuse she didn't expect places like KF to actually be critical of what she was saying.
I still don't understand why she felt she was qualified to educate others. Lets say she really has her little imaginary friends for realsies. Just because you have cancer doesn't mean you have an oncology degree. Especially when you are barely older than a kid.
It really does amaze me that she seems to have this array of flawless knowledge about DID, tries to educate the world, has seemingly near-perfect control over it and also seems to have the answer to ANY new question that arises by anyone at all times, all the while having made almost no progress with her treatment or wanting to get better since her "diagnosis" years ago.
It really does amaze me that she seems to have this array of flawless knowledge about DID, tries to educate the world, has seemingly near-perfect control over it and also seems to have the answer to ANY new question that arises by anyone at all times, all the while having made almost no progress with her treatment or wanting to get better since her "diagnosis" years ago.
Also the fact that she missed something like 4 weekly uploads in almost 2 years. And the uploads that she did miss, she'd do a livestream to make up for it. She seems so flawlessly put together, and eloquent, and I think that's why a lot of her fans look up to her, but then she also claims to have suffered horrific childhood trauma beyond what most people could imagine, and debilitating constant panic attacks and flashbacks as a result of that, not to mention the dissociation and switching. Someone needs to tell her that she can't project both images at once.
(I realise I'm quoting her a lot without actually saying where she said all of these things. I can't remember where half of them are, but I'm looking and I'll edit these posts.)
When talking about the origin of her channel, she said that it was initially meant to educate friends and family after she'd got her diagnosis. She talked about how she put up a poll, I think on Instagram, and asked if anyone would be interested in her filming a video about her diagnosis, as she was still trying to learn as well. When she was starting out her channel, I genuinely don't think she expected it to get as big as it did.
That might be an additional reason why she's privating the earlier videos; not only did she not have her story straight back then, with all the respective alters, but she might not also have fact-checked that well beacuse she didn't expect places like KF to actually be critical of what she was saying.
Then again, I still have three things I don't get about that excuse.
1, I bet my ass the people (I would be sparing with the use of the word 'doctor') who supposedly diagnosed her have professional, actually put together stuff about her supposed condition. No need to filter knowledge through someone who just recently got told about it, on top of being a confusing mess of personality, knowledge, supposedly even AGE, etc.
2, Youtube videos can be uploaded in a way that makes it visible only to people you want to view them.
3, She obviously can live her life normally. I mean her childhood friends didn't even know about this supposed debilitating illness. How many people does she feel MUST know about her condition that she can't just tell them? (Which again, is hilarious to claim asher whole existence revolves around this shit, crazy girl LOVES to listen to her own make up stories.) Reminds me of that Jessie Paege one who keeps UWU coming out of the closet every few months. Bitch, I don't want to see a video of you coming out to your mailman, your dog groomer and the lady who babysits your cousin.
Was the Meet the Boys video released before or after this one? If it was after this video, people will just say that she asked Kyle and found out then.
I still don't understand why she felt she was qualified to educate others. Lets say she really has her little imaginary friends for realsies. Just because you have cancer doesn't mean you have an oncology degree. Especially when you are barely older than a kid.
She became an authority on the topic basically by pulling it out of her ass. It's a pretty common method for acquiring credentials nowadays.
Ostensibly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standpoint_theory is where the acceptance in popular culture of lunatics like Chloe as experts is rooted, despite it being based on a bastardized understanding of the concept.
In Chloe's case, there is some leaning on her background as a psych dropout for authority. But it is the reliance on these sort of rubbish PC interpretations of academic concepts that make it unacceptable for those who buy into that shit to call out people like her.
Can someone explain something for me? I apologize if this has been asked and/or answered in the thread somewhere that I missed.
How do they explain the "voices" they've all claimed to hear at some point? If alters are separate identities in different parts of the brain that they have no idea about, and that have no idea about each other, then what the fuck are these voices? Who's talking to them if they can't communicate directly with one another? I don't understand this shit.
Can someone explain something for me? I apologize if this has been asked and/or answered in the thread somewhere that I missed.
How do they explain the "voices" they've all claimed to hear at some point? If alters are separate identities in different parts of the brain that they have no idea about, and that have no idea about each other, then what the fuck are these voices? Who's talking to them if they can't communicate directly with one another? I don't understand this shit.
Short version, it's fake. Long version is they are world building and usually start this with their therapists to gain some sympathy so they can gradually move the conversation to DID with the intention of securing that oh so valuable OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS THAT MAKES ME TOTALLY VALID!
Short version, it's fake. Long version is they are world building and usually start this with their therapists to gain some sympathy so they can gradually move the conversation to DID with the intention of securing that oh so valuable OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS THAT MAKES ME TOTALLY VALID!
It almost seems to me like therapists try to pick out different personality quirks the clients assert during sessions based on their reactions to things, then take these common traits and put them into separate categories that eventually evolve into individual characters they name and act out based on how they're "feeling" at any moment.
I know Dr. Grande has already been posted here, but I watched all of his videos on DID today and think they provide an excellent source of information on DID and malingering. Especially this one about how DID spreads through iatrogenesis:
His video on Sybil (the original DID case) was also great and gave a lot of insight into how DID is spreading through sensationalism:
According to Grande before Sybil there were fewer than a hundred DID cases worldwide. Now there's over six thousand. Just some food for thought into how this disorder is spreading and likely harming a lot of very unwell people.
kind of off topic but apparently british accents sound more authoritative or whatever, so maybe this a subconcious cue to her fans that she knows what she's talking about
Honestly, what a cringe fest video, among the awkward third-wheel Bobo the fool, fondling between pedoNan and Mal-Nin-gerer, and unrelatable pseudo-experience/pseudoscience bullshit spewing from all of them.
3:55 Chloe mentions at 15/16 years old, she saw a documentary on YouTube on SRA, sarcastically saying ’thank god that’s never happened to me before!’, yet im lead to believe she’s implying it HAS happened — she says all this while smiling and laughing. Claims she forgot about the docu for 6 years (up until the point of her bullshit diagnosis, I’m guessing?). Chloe also said SRA was suggested to her at 19. (Is this when she began her sleuthing in SRA/DID fb groups? Also, I feel like there’s a timeline discrepancy here on Chloe’s part, but idc enough to go back and check.
10:45 Apparently if you’re in denial you can suppress switches. sure Chloe. This enables Nan to say she won’t switch if she doesn’t trust/know who’s coming out.
13:15 she remembers a time in high school when she was ‘zoning out’, conveniently leaving out details, but goes on how when she ‘switched back’, her then-boyfriend was disgusted and repulsed and how her friends (including a girl named Marie, could she be the same girl we’ve been mentioning?) said she was acting ‘really weird’. Anyway we can get details of this supposed event?
15:05 she can’t relate to ANYTHING Bobo says to the point Chloe just begins reiterating what Bobo says, just in a generalized manner.
18:55 Chloe’s friends even thought she was attention seeking when she was ‘depressed Chloe’ and when she was ‘friend Chloe’. Of course she swoops in with the ‘friend Chloe was Nadia!!” bullshit. Only thing that’s been consistent thus far is her bullshit behavior.
24:05 she begins to tell her supposed story about her parents coming to know she has DID. Apparently, her dad said ‘it makes sense now’ to why at times he thought his sweet little Chloe wasn’t actually her (like her suicide attempts).
Recorded the video just in case, though the audio is a bit fucked since it recorded audio output AND the mic picked up external noises too, too autistic to learn how to use a laptop properly. Let me know if yall still want it anyway.
Here is a proper archive. I cut off the very end (they were just hugging and being stupid) to get it under 100MB
Archive: Sofa chats with Chloe and Nan! Faking, Switching, Parents thoughts? (06/19/19)
It almost seems to me like therapists try to pick out different personality quirks the clients assert during sessions based on their reactions to things, then take these common traits and put them into separate categories that eventually evolve into individual characters they name and act out based on how they're "feeling" at any moment.
3:55 Chloe mentions at 15/16 years old, she saw a documentary on YouTube on SRA, sarcastically saying ’thank god that’s never happened to me before!’, yet im lead to believe she’s implying it HAS happened — she says all this while smiling and laughing. Claims she forgot about the docu for 6 years (up until the point of her bullshit diagnosis, I’m guessing?). Chloe also said SRA was suggested to her at 19. (Is this when she began her sleuthing in SRA/DID fb groups? Also, I feel like there’s a timeline discrepancy here on Chloe’s part, but idc enough to go back and check.
Perhaps it really was the documentary on the woman who's name I unfortunately can't remember (with the "castle" her dad took her to, who wrote "Today I'm Alice") and she really did "steal" parts of this woman's story for her own made up trauma. Maybe this documentary caused her to create false memories? Either way I also don't think Chloe truly believes she has DID, but the fact she would steal aspects of this woman's horrific trauma, like the burning (and like she is implying here, the SRA), is just awful. How could you do that and not feel bad about yourself?
3:55 Chloe mentions at 15/16 years old, she saw a documentary on YouTube on SRA, sarcastically saying ’thank god that’s never happened to me before!’, yet im lead to believe she’s implying it HAS happened — she says all this while smiling and laughing. Claims she forgot about the docu for 6 years (up until the point of her bullshit diagnosis, I’m guessing?). Chloe also said SRA was suggested to her at 19. (Is this when she began her sleuthing in SRA/DID fb groups? Also, I feel like there’s a timeline discrepancy here on Chloe’s part, but idc enough to go back and check.
Something I noticed during this clip was the amount of times she referred to it as interesting. This can be seen in a lot of her other videos, too; referring to DID as interesting, or fascinating, or an amazing coping mechanism. You wouldn't think someone horrendously traumatized would view this as such a positive thing.
Also the sarcastic 'thank God that's never happened to me before!' with respect to SRA; that struck me as very calculated. One of the many times that she's never explicitly stated that what happened to her was SRA, and if anyone called her out on it she could say that she just meant childhood trauma, rather than specifically SRA. Reminds me of the post she made about a close call with a suicide attempt; if anyone called her out on it, she could say that she just meant she was close to an attempt, not close to death after an attempt. So much of what she says are things that she can go back on at a moment's notice, and claim plausible deniability. This isn't anything new, just something maybe worth noting.
Here is a proper archive. I cut off the very end (they were just hugging and being stupid) to get it under 100MB
Archive: Sofa chats with Chloe and Nan! Faking, Switching, Parents thoughts? (06/19/19)
I don't know who the girl on the left is, but around 22:00 she says her parents thought she was talking bullshit. She then says they asked her if it was because of a one off traumatic experience and she told them it was. They then proceeded to tell say to her "but you had such a happy and good childhood". She then tells them "that's the whole point of DID".
Now, according to the DSM-5, which is the most controversial handbook in medicine, it clearly states that to have DID a person must experience repeated childhood trauma. So her parents were right to tell her she was talking bullshit, because she was.
Though she could have OSDD, because helpfully the DSM-5 gives a get out of jail free card to anyone who wants to pretend to have a disorder but doesn't present with the usual symptoms, by just calling it "otherwise specified". The UK don't use the DSM so I'm not sure on why Chloe clings to this as verification that her fantastical claims are true. The NHS itself says it is a "unusual disorder" in an almost eyeroll type of way.
