Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[King Daddy Telomerase]

Bitch you dumb I reposted facts supporting my claim that say otherwise

That's most cities where the coloreds are. You don't drive where the coloreds are.

 

[NyQuilninja]

That's most cities where the coloreds are. You don't drive where the coloreds are.

There's a great many mostly afrocentric area's in Alabama

 

[Shaka Brah]

There's a great many mostly afrocentric area's in Alabama

Meanwhile the cultured and erudite Nazi science enclave in Huntsville is a great place to live.

 

[that jerk over there]

Cats observing social distancing measures in Flipland. I don't know how effective these circles are with the locals, but they're a total success with the stray cats.

https://twitter.com/PhilippineStar/status/1260460802164895748?s=20

PhilippineStar tweet archive

Edit:

Spoiler: Bonus

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Chris Boger, the president of Branch County Gay Pride, called the police to report this violation of the Governor's executive orders, saying "They decided that they were going to open again and that they needed money more than the concern for the health of our community. We have two deaths, keep doing these type events then we go to 100 deaths, then where are we at because you wanted money,"

I'm not sure why the media had to emphasize Boger being head of the county's Gay Pride unless it was for woke points and trying to make it look like violating orders is oppressive to the alphabet soup community.

While I get the need to reopen things in a calculated, gradual process, Boger seems to not get that some workers and business owners presently have zero income and might not have qualified for, nor received any of, the funds intended to help them stay afloat financially. As I previously mentioned about the Owosso barber, I think it's less about political beliefs and more about needing to have any sort of money coming in to pay bills and to keep food on the table.

It's also telling that later in your post, another Democrat is stating that orders being enforced will be lower priority due to logistical and practical issues. It's very telling when a fellow Democrat realizes that heavy-handed enforcement by the Democratic Governor and Attorney General is a bad idea.

People aren't taking their kids to get vaccinated because they're scared of leaving the house

Not only that, but people are concerned about a COVID-19 vaccine being rushed into production -- and it's not the anti-vaxxers.

Someone I know who retired from the healthcare field is die-hard when it comes to annual flu shots, but they emphatically stated that they wouldn't want a COVID-19 vaccine because there's no way for it to be adequately tested if one were to be released sometime this year.

I can't remember who it was earlier in the thread that asked, "Would you get tested for COVID-19 if you were able?" On one hand, I'd be tempted to consider it because my boss is in a vulnerable category and I'd hate to find out I was asymptomatic and pass it on. However, given the nature of the testing process, I'd prefer not to get it done unless given a compelling reason or because it was compulsory for some reason or another (such as necessary to be cleared to resume my paying hobby without restrictions).

EDIT: Too much personal insight. TL;DR: Lockdown has been bad for my physical and mental health.

People weren't intended to be socially isolated on purpose for months at a time. This has probably taken a toll on everyone to some degree. Hang in there, fam.
(Edit: Add missing word)

 

[Rudy Russo]

Outside China

4,551,742 confirmed / 307,183 dead / 1,614,392 recovered

4450921 / 302471 / 1554116 yesterday

USA

1,467,884 confirmed / 88,754 dead / 268,376 recovered JohnHopkins
1,479,957 confirmed / 89,272 dead / 339,232 recovered Infection2020

1442924 / 87493 / 250747 yesterday JohnHopkins
1455467 / 87973 / 326221 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

230,698 confirmed / 27,563 dead / 164,446 recovered

230183 / 27459 / 144783 yesterday

Italy

224,760 confirmed / 31,763 dead / 122,810 recovered

223885 / 31610 / 120205 yesterday

France not updated

Germany

175,752 confirmed / 7,938 dead / 152,600 recovered

175233 / 7897 / 151597 yesterday

 

[Simpadoo]

I'm not sure why the media had to emphasize Boger being head of the county's Gay Pride unless it was for woke points and trying to make it look like violating orders is oppressive to the alphabet soup community.

While I get the need to reopen things in a calculated, gradual process, Boger seems to not get that some workers and business owners have income and might not have qualified for or received any of the funds intended to help them stay afloat financially. As I previously mentioned about the Owosso barber, I think it's less about political beliefs and more about needing to have any sort of money coming int o pay bills and keep food on the table.

It's also telling that later in your post, another Democrat is stating that orders being enforced will be lower priority due to logistical and practical issues. It's very telling when a fellow Democrat realizes that heavy-handed enforcement by the Democratic Governor and Attorney General is a bad idea.


Not only that, but people are concerned about a COVID-19 vaccine being rushed into production -- and it's not the anti-vaxxers.

Someone I know who retired from the healthcare field is die-hard when it comes to annual flu shots, but they emphatically stated that they wouldn't want a COVID-19 vaccine because there's no way for it to be adequately tested if one were to be released sometime this year.

I can't remember who it was earlier in the thread that asked, "Woiuld you get tested for COVID-19 if you were able?" On one hand, I'd be tempted to consider it because my boss is in a vulnerable category and I'd hate to find out I was asymptomatic and pass it on. However, given the nature of the testing process, I'd prefer not to get it done unless given a compelling reason or because it was compulsory for some reason or another (such as necessary to be cleared to resume my paying hobby without restrictions).


People weren't intended to be socially isolated on purpose for months at a time. This has probably taken a toll on everyone to some degree. Hang in there, fam.

I see no downside to this. Saves all of us from the flaming fireballs raining from the sky.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I'm not sure why the media had to emphasize Boger being head of the county's Gay Pride unless it was for woke points and trying to make it look like violating orders is oppressive to the alphabet soup community.

While I get the need to reopen things in a calculated, gradual process, Boger seems to not get that some workers and business owners have income and might not have qualified for or received any of the funds intended to help them stay afloat financially. As I previously mentioned about the Owosso barber, I think it's less about political beliefs and more about needing to have any sort of money coming int o pay bills and keep food on the table.

It's also telling that later in your post, another Democrat is stating that orders being enforced will be lower priority due to logistical and practical issues. It's very telling when a fellow Democrat realizes that heavy-handed enforcement by the Democratic Governor and Attorney General is a bad idea.


Not only that, but people are concerned about a COVID-19 vaccine being rushed into production -- and it's not the anti-vaxxers.

Someone I know who retired from the healthcare field is die-hard when it comes to annual flu shots, but they emphatically stated that they wouldn't want a COVID-19 vaccine because there's no way for it to be adequately tested if one were to be released sometime this year.

I can't remember who it was earlier in the thread that asked, "Woiuld you get tested for COVID-19 if you were able?" On one hand, I'd be tempted to consider it because my boss is in a vulnerable category and I'd hate to find out I was asymptomatic and pass it on. However, given the nature of the testing process, I'd prefer not to get it done unless given a compelling reason or because it was compulsory for some reason or another (such as necessary to be cleared to resume my paying hobby without restrictions).


People weren't intended to be socially isolated on purpose for months at a time. This has probably taken a toll on everyone to some degree. Hang in there, fam.

I see no downside to this. Saves all of us from the flaming fireballs raining from the sky.

If only we could get fags to stop some other behaviors to help curtail a deadly virus. They should be a little more concerned about their own health.

 

[Keystone]

(a)
Not as bad as the politicians and millionaires telling us to stay home while recording in their multimillion dollar mansions, but it ain't much better.

 

[RodgerDodger]

There is also the growing body of evidence that many patients put on ventilators were improperly diagnosed, monitored and the ventilators themselves were improperly used because while you can have thousands of ventilators you also need thousands trained and certified to use them (something Cuomo failed to understand) that led to unnecessary deaths. As well as stories of visibly ill and distressed patients discharged who sere sent home, where they either died or passed on after an ambulance rushed them to a hospital again where they passed on,

I can see the terrified UES/UWS liberal neurotics going along with this but everyone else is going to tell this imbecile where he can stick his isolation plan. The cops won't like it because the people that will resist are more likely to be black/hispanic, thus subjecting them to more accusations of racism for enforcing the orders of our befuddled autocrats. The current Dept of Health & Mental Hygiene Commissioner is under fire so surely she will at least threaten stir up the good old racism pot since this program is technically supposed to run under her direction.

This will lead to people refusing to get tested because who wants to be marked and tagged for forced isolation? No one, that's who. Since the ACLU is busy arguing for kangaroo courts in universities, I wonder who will have the balls to challenge this train wreck of a mayor.

The Ventilator thing is particularly horrifying because New York made it protocal to only use full closed system Ventilators. A very complex system to manage, and with a low long term survival rate. They outlawed the CPAP/BiPAP/Peep options, whereby the machine simply boosts the patients own naturally triggered breathing. These options are less invasive, havce a far far higher success rate in treating COVID 19 Patients, and are much easier to make and manage. But New York felt that because they exhale into room air, with a positive pressure air flow behind them. They were far too risky to others. Yeah, the people who forcefully seeded the virus into nursing homes under threat of loss of license, and used the AG's office to try and cover it up are concerned about the health of others. Remarkable.

They already had to back off from having the police enforce mask wearing after a video got out of the police arresting a woman with a baby for wearing a mask improperly. I'm not sure how they're going to get people to go along with this considering half the city already hates the government for selectively enforcing quarantine rules. The orthodox Trump's Chosen People are almost at the point of flipping police cars over; what's going to happen when the cops roll up with a paddy wagon to throw a bunch of them in the back because they may have been exposed to the virus?

"The hires have been made in collaboration with community-based organizations with a caveat of hiring tracers whose ethnicity reflects the majority demographics of low-income neighborhoods they’ll be assigned to carry out the work " - so are they going to hire Instagram influencers to to contract tracing in Manhattan? Or are they even going bother trying to quarantine rich people and instead focus on just making sure poor people are taken out of their houses? I've saw pictures of people in New York yesterday, and very people were wearing masks or socially distancing, so good luck to Bill DeBlasio on getting anyone to participate.

The Rich already left Manhattan. Seriously Cell Phone Location Data shows that all the rick people from the Upper East and West sides cleared out for Nantucket, Marthas Vinyard, etc. They got the hell out of New York Day 1.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Rich already left Manhattan. Seriously Cell Phone Location Data shows that all the rick people from the Upper East and West sides cleared out for Nantucket, Marthas Vinyard, etc. They got the hell out of New York Day 1.

Everyone though this was ending April 30, then May 15 and now it's June. People leaving now probably aren't coming back.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's amazing how simple things like public gatherings and restaurants have almost become exotic memories with this crap.

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

Everyone though this was ending April 30, then May 15 and now it's June. People leaving now probably aren't coming back.

Thank God. Fewer rich Boomers in big cities = affordable housing for Millennials and Zoomers who don't want to shell out $3,000 a month for a single-room occupancy in a pre-war no elevator building.

 

[Otterly]

Still wonder if having a surgically repaired heart is any sort of risk factor. Anyone have anything on that, yea or nay? Thanks!

broadly, yes, BUT...

It’s going depend a lot on what the person had done and their general condition. Let’s take two examples:

1. Has been fit and healthy their whole life, is still active after surgery, Has blood pressure, blood sugar and weight in normal ranges. No clotting issues, no furred up arteries. Maybe they’ve had a dodgy valve replaced or something, or a hole closed. In all other respects they’re healthy

2. heavy drinker/smoker/overweight. Arteries furred up. Has already had one MI, arteries unblocked surgically. No alterations to diet, not active, still obese. Diabetic, high blood pressure. Still a high cardiac risk.

both will technically be at higher risk, but I’ll put my money on person one doing better. That underlying whole body metabolic stuff is SO bad for you anyway. Add in a virus that seems to increase clotting, and be particularly bad for the overweight with high bp and it’s a bad mix.

There seems to be clotting in small vessels of the lungs - get a pulse oximeter and use it if you start feeling unwell. Seek care early if sick. Many heart patients will be on anticoagulants and they may need a close eye on them to keep that level.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Luckily I started reinvesting in bullion last month, ended up getting ~6.5% gain, of course it'll fluctuate; Value of silver though broke 16/onz almost at 17/onz, fucking shit myself when I seen that because it wasn't supposed to break through 16 that quick.

Same. Got some junk silver and a small amount of gold when this started popping off and I've already made back the spot on the silver a couple days ago.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

There is also the growing body of evidence that many patients put on ventilators were improperly diagnosed, monitored and the ventilators themselves were improperly used because while you can have thousands of ventilators you also need thousands trained and certified to use them (something Cuomo failed to understand) that led to unnecessary deaths. As well as stories of visibly ill and distressed patients discharged who sere sent home, where they either died or passed on after an ambulance rushed them to a hospital again where they passed on,

Cuomo was aware. He's been asking for pulm crits to come to NY for a while.

At the same time reports kept coming out of hospitals having no PPE and emergency departments having like 200+ patients stacked on top of each other. Nobody was voluntarily entering into that death zone.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

The Ventilator thing is particularly horrifying because New York made it protocal to only use full closed system Ventilators. A very complex system to manage, and with a low long term survival rate. They outlawed the CPAP/BiPAP/Peep options, whereby the machine simply boosts the patients own naturally triggered breathing. These options are less invasive, havce a far far higher success rate in treating COVID 19 Patients, and are much easier to make and manage. But New York felt that because they exhale into room air, with a positive pressure air flow behind them. They were far too risky to others. Yeah, the people who forcefully seeded the virus into nursing homes under threat of loss of license, and used the AG's office to try and cover it up are concerned about the health of others. Remarkable.



The Rich already left Manhattan. Seriously Cell Phone Location Data shows that all the rick people from the Upper East and West sides cleared out for Nantucket, Marthas Vinyard, etc. They got the hell out of New York Day 1.

You wanna know what makes this even worse? Well. Remember when the early outbreak started in spain and I talked about how we started having issues with, well, everything? If you recall. We had to monkey model a ventilator for all those less invasive methods that doesn't nebulize this shit and cause a hospital outbreak. And we did. Theory was easy: get a diving mask (first batch donated by decathlon, rest 3d printed by small biz), and since that shit gets air from hole 1 and drives it to hole 2 all you need is an adaptor piece (3d printed by small biz) and a way out into the filters through hole 2. (By which I mean 2 more 3d printed adaptors and a rubber fucking tube.) Then you add like 2 lines of code to the machine so the filters work on modes they weren't supposed to work in et fucking voila you got an anticorona ventilator.

We figured this shit out before the god damned lockdown started! I remember when they brought this shit to the hospital because after testing they had to fix the ones not properly sealed, and people were making jokes for months about the fact that for sealing they literally just told them to bring out the fucking rubber and hot glue. Like. This is not some high tech medical science, you just need phil freaking swift to maintain this shit! So now someone please explain to me how can NY, supposed economical capital of the world, not figure out something even 5 minutes crafts could fix.

Hey so remember how yesterday "fundaciones ultracatolicas" (note, that translates to "ultracatholic foundations"), a radical right wing party here in spain, literally proposed poor people loose their right to vote just because they're poor? (note, it's been made even funnier by the fact they specifically asked for "anyone who needs money from the state", which people have now realized also includes all scientists with grants, state employees, entrepeneurs, state kickstarted small biz, fuck technically even the fucking banks. I mean that was clearly just poor wording but it's still fucking hilarious.) Well the meme has gotten good when some autist decided to say "hellsing ultimate abridged was right", and link this:

I don't know how far that meme will spread, I seem to have caught wind of it in its infancy, but I hope it's far, because fuck me that fits so well.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

Lex Baghdad Bob: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/u...ades-av-smittspridning-ledningen-la-locket-pa

The maternity ward was hit by corona - the higher ups tried to cover things up

Staff at the women's clinic at the Academic Hospital were alerted about extensive coronary spread. Management's response to stop the spread: spread their hands, do basic hygiene and do not disseminate information that staff has been infected.
- The response was a bit overwhelming, says one of the staff.
In a letter to the management of women's health care that came in April, staff stated that nearly 30 employees at the birth were confirmed infected - and that more were added every day.

Personnel with symptoms had been tested to see who had covid-19 and could not return to work.

- When I got sick we were around 30 who tested positive on childbirth, says one of them, who wants to remain anonymous, to SVT News.

The letter was signed by nearly 70 employees at birth and BB. At the birth there are about 120 employees.

The letter states that the situation "scares and worries".

Called for action
The signatories called for more protective equipment and clarity regarding new routines.

Reply came with turning message: "In the management we are concerned that so many at birth have become ill in Covid-19," wrote the head of the women's clinic and then listed a number of measures taken. It also says that you have never had the need for protective equipment.

The answer also included statistics from a survey of how well the staff themselves considered following the so-called basic hygiene rules to wash and spray their hands. Management notes that compliance is among the lowest at Akademiska.

- The response from the management was a bit overwhelming, I think, kind of like 'blame yourself if you can't keep the basic hygiene routines', says an employee who wants to be anonymous.

The letter then ends with a “PS”:

“Some information about infected personnel at birth has spread and it will cause third-party concerns, namely our patients who are at home and concerned about their own and future child's health. It is important that we all create safety and confidence in the care of our patients. "

"Shut up"
Several people with whom SVT News has been in contact feel that management does not want the situation to come out.

And they are supported by one of Sweden's foremost experts on freedom of expression, Nils Funcke.

- That PS should never have been written at all. It can be interpreted as limiting the employees' freedom of expression. In addition, it does not create confidence in the healthcare system that darkens as central tasks as there is infection among the staff.

To SVT News, the management of the Women's Clinic does not want to feel that there are about 30 confirmed cases among the staff. On the other hand, you do not want to state how many people should be talking about with reference to confidentiality. Something Nils Funcke also turns down.

- It seems that the possibility of confidentiality is being over-interpreted. It is entirely possible to give out without it leading to but for an individual, says Nils Funcke.

Among the worst affected
However, the fact that the birth was a particularly affected department seen at the hospital is largely confirmed by Fredrik Sund, head of the infection clinic at Akademiska hospital.

- We have sampled all staff who have had symptoms for many weeks.

Dark-haired woman with glasses. She wears a light green cardigan and her hair is set. She looks at the camera. The background is white.
Masoumeh Rezapour Isfahani.
The reason why the clinic was affected, regardless of number, states the head of the women's clinic Masoumeh Rezapour Isfahani is because they have been good at sampling staff there - and thereby getting the numbers they got. Nor should she, according to her, ever have any problems with the manning of the birth.

- We follow the recommendations and advice on infection control procedures. We have taken a number of measures since March when the spread of infection started, ”says Masoumeh Rezapour Isfahani.

"An internal document"
As for the criticism of her wording in the letter to the staff, Masoumeh Rezapour Isfahani comments as follows:

- You have the right to interpret what you want. It was an internal document. If the staff has specific criticism, the giants can bring it to me.

- The meaning of the wording was that the staff's views, criticism and good thoughts need to come up to the management. Nothing else, she comments further.

Should you have expressed yourself differently?

- No. My focus is patient safety and staff safety, says Masoumeh Rezapour Isfahani.

However, freedom of speech expert Nils Funke believes that the reluctance to inform the public about the situation is rather counterproductive.

- Such a pandemic is not best fought by believing in creating trust by not telling the situation. You should inform that to those who have been or are likely to come to the birth so you can be extra careful, he says.

Sources within the extended Swedish government says that politicians have spent their time laying the groundwork for their own inculpability for when people find out what a complete clusterfuck everything has been. Massive incompetence on a decision making level. Heads will roll when things have settled down.

Heads might roll for a while, but after that it will probably be business as usual and the responsible parties will either get a nice fallskärm or be transferred to a less prestigious but still well-paid position. But one can hope it won't happen

That's weird. I've probably been the most critical towards the swedes here and even I don't think they did it THAT bad. I mean sure a lotta migrants and some boomers kicked the bucket but their healthcare didn't even collapse for a few hours. Usually it takes a whole hospital meltdown to see the first head rolling.

That's the thing: while Sweden might be doing "not bad" in comparison to some other countries, there are a lot of things we could be doing better and mistakes which should have been easily avoided have been committed along the way. Then of course like in other countries we have our share of experts saying exceptional shit.

Speaking personally when it comes to how things have been handled here, I think not imposing draconian quarantines and letting the children go to school (which I initially was critical of but now it seems like it wasn't that bad of an idea) was good. Other things have been handled... not as good

 

[Otterly]

In news that will surprise absolutely no one, as yet unpublished phylogenetic analysis has been done on samples from Wuhan. These strongly suggest that the virus was introduced to the market by a human vector, and NOT the other way around

Full text archived here: http://archive.li/BWNDH

the genetics suggests that there was not an animal intermediate as well, if I read correctly - further supporting the idea that this was a direct spillover event. Complete lack of surprise ....

 

[MrBlueSocks]

The Neil Ferguson Imperial model shit code story has broken into the mainstream press. See the other thread in Internet & Tech

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