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Refugees that fled their countries for fear of bad things that will happen if they are there are upset they can't go back to vacation in the very same countries they fled out of fear bad things will happen to them.

I am confused.
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Outside China

4,911,064 confirmed / 323,441 dead / 1,818,329 recovered

4816092 / 318648 / 1609320 yesterday

USA

1,551,668 confirmed / 93,431 dead / 294,312 recovered JohnHopkins
1,563,692 confirmed / 94,091 dead / 363,063 recovered Infection2020

1528568 / 91921 / 289392 Yesterday JohnHopkins
1542443 / 92619 / 363063 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

232,555 confirmed / 27,888 dead / 150,376 recovered

232037 / 27778 / 0000 yesterday

Italy

277,364 confirmed / 32,300 dead / 132,282 recovered

226699 / 32169 / 129401 yesterday

France

181,700 confirmed / 28,135 dead / 63,472 recovered

180933 / 28025 / 62678 yesterday

Germany

178,473 confirmed / 8,144 dead / 156,966 recovered

177778 / 8081 / 155681 yesterday
 
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Well I guess I was wrong. Spokane was approved for Phase 2 yesterday. I still am not 100% sure what that means, other than previously closed retailers will be able to do curbside pickup. Which is fine for some things, I guess, but when the hell are clothing stores going to go back to normal? Nowhere here is taking returns on clothing, accessories, food, and health/beauty. So you better love those new jeans (can't try them on at the store either, deal with it!) and hope that foundation matches cause you're stuck with it.

Wake me up when gyms open
 
Which seems to be exactly what the media wanted.

Yup. But many now have lost that fear. They see the ChiCom Flu primarily killing older people with underlying conditions. The average person either doesn't get it, gets it and never knows they have it, or gets it and gets over it. This has also shown a great many people just how much certain governors lust to have unbridled power over the people of their state, and how much certain county "health directors" share the same lust for power over the people in their counties. Believe the next time a calamity, of whatever type, happens, "they" are not likely to get much cooperation from many of "us". The bond of trust and confidence between the people and government/law enforcement, badly frayed before the ChiCom Flu hit, has been sundered, possibly irreparably. Believe the national level of anger is very high right now. The mainstream media has also been shown to be generally a bunch of fearmongers and buttsnorkelers of the Dems.

In my humble opinion, if I was a state governor I would make no move to put my state back under house arrest, once the arrest has been lifted. Believe you'd just be asking for violence. People have had enough.
 
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Well I guess I was wrong. Spokane was approved for Phase 2 yesterday. I still am not 100% sure what that means, other than previously closed retailers will be able to do curbside pickup. Which is fine for some things, I guess, but when the hell are clothing stores going to go back to normal? Nowhere here is taking returns on clothing, accessories, food, and health/beauty. So you better love those new jeans (can't try them on at the store either, deal with it!) and hope that foundation matches cause you're stuck with it.

Wake me up when gyms open
I work for a major department store and apparently the stores that have opened are taking returns, which grosses me out knowing how often people wear/use shit and then return it (despite our policy saying everything has to be unused and in resellable condition all a customer has to do is bitch and we take it back).

Before we closed back in March we were dead to the point that sales associates were dusting fixtures to kill time because no one was shopping. I'm interested to see what traffic will be like after we open, especially considering that my store is more popular with seniors than others. I wonder if any of our regulars have died of the coof.

San Diego was approved for Phase 2 as well so it's a matter of time til we open back up. The city says face coverings will be required to enter retail businesses here but I highly doubt we're going to enforce it. All employees have to wear masks though. Some departments (mine included) have to wear gloves. No clue why.
 
Another day, another fearmongering pro lockdown opinion piece article, this time from the New York Times:

All 50 States Are Now Reopening. But at What Cost?

AT WHAT COST?!?! HINT-IT'S YOUR DEATH!

Governors face intensifying pressure to reopen their economies, but experts warn it could mean thousands of new deaths.

Ah yes, good old "experts." Here we have stated the premise of this editorial disguised as journalism, THOUSANDS WILL DIE if we reopen. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN KAREN!

The increasing moves to lift restrictions on businesses — or at least open up outdoor spaces like beaches and state parks — reflect the immense political and societal pressures weighing on the nation’s governors, even as epidemiologists remain cautious and warn of a second wave of cases.

THE SECOND WAVE!!!

“You have 50 different governors doing 50 different things,” said Andrew Noymer, an associate professor of public health at the University of California, Irvine. “There will be states that open too soon or states that are too conservative. It is hard to thread the needle.”

The conclusion they want you to reach here is it would be MUCH better if we had a single, Federal, one size fits all rule. And who is giving this expert opinion? A guy from a state school that is one rung above a grad student.

Even in Georgia, which opened many businesses last month ahead of other states, restaurants are seeing only about 15 percent of normal traffic, according to data published by OpenTable, a restaurant reservation website.

Translation to prole: "Why even bother reopening? Nobody is going to go out anyway."

Some epidemiologists see warning signs of a rebound, especially in the South, and because it can take as long as three weeks for a newly infected person to become sick enough to go to the hospital, the impact of reopening is unlikely to be detectable immediately.

“We really are playing with fire here in a very broad sense," said Charles Courtemanche, an economist at the University of Kentucky. In a recent paper for the journal Health Affairs, he estimated that the number of confirmed cases in the United States, which reached a million at the end of April, would have been closer to 35 million without the restaurant closures and stay-at-home orders that began in mid-March. “Just because it hasn’t been a catastrophe yet in your state, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have the potential to be,” he said.

"Some epidemiologists" like this economist, who just wrote a fantastical doom fantasy that if we hadn't locked down 35 million would be dead infected (the dead is implied for the layman reader) AND IT COULD STILL HAPPEN.

Texas, the nation’s second-largest state, with 29 million residents, had among the shortest stay-at-home orders in the country when it reopened many businesses on May 1, in a move that appealed to the state’s pro-business spirit. But weeks later, officials reported the highest one-day total of new cases, and some fear many businesses will still not survive.

In other words, a "pro business" (Evil ReTHUGlican) state opened too soon and had the HIGHEST ONE DAY TOTAL OF NEW CASES. Do you not see, citizen, why we are correct in our premise that opening up these corporate shrines instead of safe home delivery forever is objectively wrong?

Researchers expect that reopening the United States could cause thousands of additional deaths, while also saving several million jobs, a balancing act that has swung more toward the economy in recent weeks.

A forecast from the University of Pennsylvania’s Penn Wharton Budget Model estimated that the number of cumulative deaths from the virus in the United States would rise to 157,000 from the current about 92,000 by the end of July if states maintained restrictions. A partial or full reopening could bring an additional 15,000 or 73,000 deaths, respectively.

"Sure, we can save these dumb old jobs, if you want 73,000 PEOPLE TO DIEEEEEE. Is that what you want?

Many are still hesitant. A new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that most Americans were somewhat concerned that lifting restrictions in their area would lead to new infections, and at least half were very or extremely concerned. About six in 10 people were in favor of people remaining in their homes except for essential needs.

"You may have heard your neighbors or people on Facebook talk about reopening, but in fact the vast majority of people are sensible and want to stay home. You want to be responsible like everyone else, right?"

Finally they end with a raw emotional appeal from Grandma and Grandpa:

Mary Lou Giles, a 73-year-old resident of El Dorado County, Calif., said that she and her husband planned to shelter in place for another several weeks, though businesses in her remote mountain county between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe were allowed to reopen sooner than in other parts of the state.

"I sincerely hope there will not be a surge in Covid cases as a result of what I believe is a premature rush to reopen,” she said. “But I’m not willing to gamble.”

"Be like Grandma-don't "gamble" with your life, or hers!"

It's sick how these "reporters" take a opinion or slanted hypothesis and craft an article to support that. How they use propaganda techniques of false experts, appeals to emotion and hidden calls to action. And quite probably, it's not because they themselves believe in lockdowns, it's #RESIST. If you are a liberal reporter, it is your duty to do everything you can, every day, to remove Orange Hitler from office. And you can do your small part by writing an article every few days which does something like slow the recovery, tank the economy. If you get a few people to believe, they will agitate for more lockdowns, and if your collegues do, even more readers will be pro-lockdown. Write a hundred articles between now and the election and get the lockdowns extended, people not to shop. Your droplets join with the other reporters to createa a torrent. The economy falters, Drumpf loses. A high price to pay, but think of the lives of the transpeople, POCs and refugees who will be saved in the Biden Administration!

I took classes on media, journalism, and propaganda in college and this is blatent.

DOUBT EVERYTHING

QUESTION EVERYTHING YOU READ

LOOK BETWEEN THE LINES

FIND THE AGENDA
 
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Translation to prole: "Why even bother reopening? Nobody is going to go out anyway."
This passage reminded me of something I had wanted to say in my previous post. On the way back from checking in at the office earlier today, a respected, credible guy who has has a brief spot on the local news radio station covering business and economic topics mentioned how restaurants that might be allowed to open with 50% capacity may only end up 25% full due to the social distancing requirements to keep people/tables six feet apart from each other. He added that either number ends up being insufficient because restaurants need to have at least 75% capacity to have a chance at making a profit. Similarly, he reported hotels need a number around 65% capacity. Although I don't seem to recall him citing a source for those numbers, his decades of experience and his reputation with these topics are solid enough to trust him over anyone posting on Vox, Buzzfeed, or any other sensationalized journalism site.

In short, reopening with restrictions is going to put many employers in a bind. If they open as soon as they can to get themselves and their employees back to work, they might not break even and end up further in the hole. If they choose to wait until there are fewer or no restrictions, though, the extended joblessness becomes more detrimental to everyone's budgets and mental well-being the longer it drags out.

In other words, a "pro business" (Evil ReTHUGlican) state opened too soon and had the HIGHEST ONE DAY TOTAL OF NEW CASES.
With single-day case numbers spiking for reasons other than newly-confirmed cases, namely weekend cases being added in the following week or states redefining what counts as COVID-19 cases in a way that artificially drives up the numbers, looking at day to day numbers without context is useless for any sort of practical or critical analysis.
 
Apparently our LA suburb is encouraging everyone to get COVID tests often, even if they're asymptomatic, for data tracking purposes. Some of my friends went and got tested because "Why not", and have *now* been informed that they can't work until the test info comes back. One works at the local grocery store. They expect to be out of work for several days. Good job, whoever set that up.

A hairdresser friend reports that the hairdresser guilds (or whatever their mother-organizations are) has instituted strict warnings against hairdressers breaking quarantine to cut hair under the table. The penalty is a two-year loss of your licence. The same friend says she is not looking forwards to the salons reopening because the guidelines will make it very hard to function as a business and all the customers will be stressed and upset.

Also there will be guidelines Monday on new standards for the film industry. That'll be interesting. SAG (the major actor's guild) is telling all their members not to sign anything that that absolves productions of responsibility if the actors get sick on set. Also, apparently extra testing, quarantine time, and social distancing logistics are going to raise the cost of filming and Hollywood is concerned that this may drive productions to safer, and therefore less expensive areas. They are asking for tax incentives from the state to offset these costs and keep business local. Meanwhile, Tyler Perry is starting to film on his personal ranch in Georgia with some pretty crazy lock-down rules. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...details-covid-19-production-protocols-1295359

A cached version of the document supposedly* sent out by Perry: https://web.archive.org/web/20200521083059/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom2/Embeds/Camp Quarantine.pdf

*I'm now hearing that the earlier Lionsgate COVID guidelines may have been fake, but I have not followed up on that.
 
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To think that our Corona virus is different from everybody else's and only spreads within Sweden. The Swedish corona virus is truly すごい

Covid sick Jan, 81, received palliative care - recovered after the family put an end to it

Several relatives DN talked to are critical of the elderly not being treated against covid-19, but being given palliative care immediately - without having to see a doctor.

When the son of Covid Ill Jan, 81, demanded that he be nourished instead of morphine, he recovered quickly.


It was after a hospital visit at the end of March that Jan Andersson, 81, fell ill in covid-19 at Ärlingshem's elderly home in Märsta north of Stockholm. Without meeting Jan and without informing neither him nor his relatives, the doctor decided - via telephone to the nurse at the nursing home - to prescribe palliative care with morphine.

His son Thomas Andersson states that on April 7, he called and asked for the father to get a drop of fluid and nutrition - and then he was informed that the father was in the final stages of life. He was invited to come to the accommodation and say goodbye.

- Dad was completely gone by morphine. It was only when I contacted the media and all those responsible that Dad was instead put on drip and received their usual medication, such as blood thinning, by injection. Quite quickly he scratched himself and today he is healthy.

There was neither access to saturation meters, which measure oxygenation in the blood, nor oxygen.

- It probably would have accelerated the recovery even more. To not provide basic supportive treatment for the elderly who are severely affected by corona - but instead morphine - it is clear that they die then. Personally, I think it is active euthanasia. Had it not been for us relatives, they would have killed the father.

Another one that is critical of how a relative was treated at an elderly home is Juliana Jihem, who had a close and close relationship with her uncle Moses Ntanda, 72. She describes him as lightly demented but energetic, physically strong and mobile. When he was hit by covid-19, palliative care was prescribed, by doctors over the phone.

- We were not allowed to visit him. The staff did not tell us that they began to medicate him and prepare him for palliative care. The doctor never met my uncle. How can you judge how sick a person is if you've never met that person? The record states that he should not be taken to hospital.

Because of the pandemic, people at Strandängsgården's elderly home where he lived had moved in on the watch, according to Julia.

- So he died alone in his room. The staff found him at 8.30 in the morning.

The doctor writes in the medical record that DN noted: “The patient dies calmly and quietly. Adequate palliation. ”

- How can he know how a person dies? That it was calm and quiet? No one was there. It's awful.

Business Manager at Strandängsgården Anders Olsson states that he cannot comment in individual cases. He also cannot respond to how common it is for doctors to prescribe palliative care without meeting the patient.

- The doctors have the opportunity to talk to nurses, do digital examinations of the residents and come out on site if needed. It is doctors who assess what they need to do to make the right decision and I have confidence that doctors will make that assessment, he says.

Sharareh Ramezan, head of the elderly care health care organization in Sigtuna municipality where Ärlingshem is located, refers to the company Family doctors:

- The responsibility for the medical assessment and prescriptions lies with the medical organization.

Christoffer Bernsköld, Head of Unit at Regions Stockholm Health and Medical Administration, states that he does not know any discussions about when palliative care should be prescribed for covid patients.

- I'm not a doctor myself. But if one decides that now there is nothing to do with medicine, then one decides to give the palliative medicines that are available to cushion pain, fear and anxiety and get a dignified end to life. I feel confident that the doctors and nurses who work with palliative care have very good and high competence in Stockholm.

The National Board of Health and Welfare has guidelines on treatment restrictions at the end of life.

- If possible, the decision to switch from treatment to palliative goals must be made before it becomes critical. There must be two doctors who make the decision together, it must be someone who knows the patient, and it should be documented and communicated to the patient and their relatives, says Thomas Lindén, Head of Knowledge Management for Health and Medical Services at the National Board of Health and Welfare.

The company Familjeläkarna in Saltsjöbaden, which is responsible for the care of both Jan Andersson's and Moses Ntada's accommodation, states that due to high workload, there is no time for interview. In an e-mail, the company writes that due to confidentiality, it is not possible to comment on individual cases, but that the responsible physician, together with others in the care team, assesses treatment based on the patient's conditions and the patient's and relatives' wishes.

"Both palliative and curative care can be given at the same time," the Family Doctors write, urging those who have views on care to contact the company, the Patient Board in Stockholm or the Inspection for Care and Care.
 
I don't understand how all the speds are shrieking about a second wave in Western nations, BUT, there is no second wave going on in China. A couple of months ago China was like Night of the Living Dead but now it is Business As Usual. You better believe that if there was a second wave going on in China someone would be reporting on it, either officially or anonymously.
 
I don't understand how all the speds are shrieking about a second wave in Western nations, BUT, there is no second wave going on in China. A couple of months ago China was like Night of the Living Dead but now it is Business As Usual. You better believe that if there was a second wave going on in China someone would be reporting on it, either officially or anonymously.
The WHO said it would happen, so there's no doubt it will happen.

The possiblity that the WHO is wrong, or relaying falsehoods at the behest of its Chinese masters, never enters their minds.
 
So, News time. Personally I have ran out of fucks altogether. Good job politicians you sent me back to being jaded again. This round of stupid wasn't even funny. What is funny is the masks. Today we recieved another package from the Junta. And as it turns out this was actually the first package they bought, which has been stuck on bureaucracy limbo till now. And *drumroll* it also doesn't adhere to regulation and has a fake chinese CE icon. *Sad trombone noises.* Fucking hell. R
That's something alright.

Following on the Pascual mess. Everyone's being very dodgy when talking about that one. As I said before, in cadiz public services love their fucking gossip, when people just start using vague terms when talking about it. Terms like "someone'll stop it soon enough", "that sure has to be dealt with" and simply asking "have the media finally stopped being silent?" You know they know damned well anything solid they sqy will soon be used in a court of law. I mean fuck, I am typically silent compared with these guys. And you can see the length of my rambles... So. Yeah. Topic ain't devolving but it ain't gonna improve either.

On national news. Sanchez finally fucking overdid it. I already talked to you about Sanchez's signature move. Which is asking for a deal made out of happy thoughts and rainbows, and then when the right bitches promising them a side of pixie dust so they'll sign anyway. Well. In his ellectoral message Sanchez promised to reverse the 2012 job destroying absolute buttfuck insane powertrip of the PP. And so did Podemos, Bildu, Esquerra and like half of remaining congress. Literally everyone outside of the PP and Vox. Well finally Bildu and Podemos held him accountable during a deal and got him to sign a paper giving a specific date for this to be destroyed in exchange for his precious votes. And as soon as the paper was made public, he tried his signature move of anouncing it was just a "partial, temporary reversal", as the right wings REEEEE at their dwindling power. Sadly for Sanchez the left is not fucking retarded and Podemos and Bildu were quick to state in no uncertain terms what is signed is fucking signed and they will hold him accpuntable for it. Hilariously Esquera, from the catalonians, is being the force of reason by pointing out this is in fsct what Sanchez always does and he always pacts with the right and it's about damned time he is held accountable since he promised to do this DURING THE FUCKING ELLECTIONS and has been able to do it for over a fucking year now.

The petronal (CEOE), which is the big biz lobby, is also REEEEEing at the destruction of their precious capacity for egregious abuse of power. And claim the PSOE never gave them any fair warning... As I said before, the PSOE, and most other parties currently in the government, literally had promised doing this in their FUCKING ELECTORAL MESSAGE. When you promise doing something during the elections I for one would think that's fair warning that you plan on doing it. But hey. Maybe that's just fucking me. Sanchez sure as shit never fucking kept his word so I guess they have a point.

About damned fucking time Dirty Sanchez was made to keep his fucking word, the slimy bastard.

TorBo Outing Report:

Seems things could be going back to the "old normal" despite talk of the "new normal". More stores are open now, though the theater remains closed. Panic buying is almost gone as well. Everyone still wears masks though. I saw a guy wearing a Pikachu mask (like just the mouth and the cheeks) - funny and disturbing.

(I've been somewhat of a "doomer", thinking the "new normal" of a "hypochondriac drive-thru society" really was the "new normal".)

"New normal" is the term always used scientifically because indeed crisis always change things. And it seems to me this crisis has obliterated chinese comerce and image and facilitated supply chain renationalization, so the new normal won't be the old normal. It will be so much fucking better.

The only caveat is that just because something complies with regulations, it doesn’t guarantee it is effective. It just means that suing you is harder.

I mean we're literally talking about the CE regulation. Compliance with it is ONLY achieved by beinf effective, like, that's what the test does it looks at how good they filter. So. Usually you'd be right but this time it does mean it is effective.
 
I wonder how all the people sterilizing Every. Single. grocery item and article of mail they receive will feel about the CDC saying that surfaces aren't that dangerous?


Will Reddit be full of Thank Gawd it's over! posts or Well I'm gonna keep sterilizing! posts? Time will tell.
 
I wonder how all the people sterilizing Every. Single. grocery item and article of mail they receive will feel about the CDC saying that surfaces aren't that dangerous?


Will Reddit be full of Thank Gawd it's over! posts or Well I'm gonna keep sterilizing! posts? Time will tell.

I think that's been the thought for a long time, right? Wearing a respirator is the best way not to get it.
 
All employees have to wear masks though. Some departments (mine included) have to wear gloves. No clue why.

I have to wear a mask too. Its dumb because no one is using them correctly anyway. Everyone in my department pulls them around their neck as soon as they're out of customer sight. Most use the same mask after returning from lunch. I have touch my mask constantly because they dont fit my weirdly small face and get in my eyes. The masks are likely doing nothing.

Gloves are disgusting. Unless you change them between EVERY task they are just spreading germs and dirt. You can't sanitize gloves. And no one changes them often enough. If any of these people making the rules had worked in a hospital kitchen, theyd know better than to ask a retail worker to practice safe mask/glove use. It requires far more training and supplies, and the CEOs dont give a fuck.

I refuse to shop anywhere with too much security theater. No Winco or Costco. And if more decide to start harassing customers, they will end up losing money in the long run. People IRL are not as scared as people make then out to be online.
 
I have to wear a mask too. Its dumb because no one is using them correctly anyway. Everyone in my department pulls them around their neck as soon as they're out of customer sight. Most use the same mask after returning from lunch. I have touch my mask constantly because they dont fit my weirdly small face and get in my eyes. The masks are likely doing nothing.

Gloves are disgusting. Unless you change them between EVERY task they are just spreading germs and dirt. You can't sanitize gloves. And no one changes them often enough. If any of these people making the rules had worked in a hospital kitchen, theyd know better than to ask a retail worker to practice safe mask/glove use. It requires far more training and supplies, and the CEOs dont give a fuck.

I refuse to shop anywhere with too much security theater. No Winco or Costco. And if more decide to start harassing customers, they will end up losing money in the long run. People IRL are not as scared as people make then out to be online.

Masks are required in my area to enter a grocery store. I have never once seen any of the obese employees wearing their masks correctly. I have seen people misuse gloves. I have seen old people turned away from the store for not having a mask. I have seen black people not adhering to the rule being let into the store by black employees who are not adhering to the rule. I've seen homeless people shambling around every grocery store I've been in for the last three months like plague zombies.

Fuck all this noise. It's absolute nonsense.
 
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