US Donald Trump Says U.S. Won’t Close Economy Again, Even If There’s A Second Wave Of Coronavirus - GDP is supreme

https://deadline.com/2020/05/donald-trump-says-u-s-wont-close-again-second-wave-coronavirus-1202941173/

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President Donald Trump on Thursday said “we are not closing our country” if the U.S. is hit by a second wave of COVID-19.

His comments come on the same day that the United States reported another 2.4 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week That brings the total of new unemployment claims to more than 38 million in nine weeks..

In reference to states like California which have not reopened as quickly as others Trump said, “I don’t think the people are going to stand for it.” Yet Texas, North Carolina and Arizona have reported spiking numbers of cases as they’ve moved into reopening.

“People say that’s a very distinct possibility, it’s standard,” Trump said when asked about a second wave.
In a worst-case scenario, the infection curve of COVID-19 could mimic the most deadly pandemic in American history, the Spanish Flu.

More people died during that 1918 pandemic than the total number of military and civilian deaths that resulted from World War I and, according to the CDC, the second wave in the fall was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to that outbreak.

The president made his comments during a tour of a Ford factory in Michigan which has been converted to produce ventilators.

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anothony Fauci testified last week before Congress about a second wave.

“I hope that if we do have the threat of a second wave we will be able to deal with it very effectively to prevent it from becoming an outbreak not only worse than now but much, much less,” Fauci said.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield said last month that battling the virus in the fall could be “more difficult and potentially more complicated because we would have flu and coronavirus circulating at the same time.”

But Trump on Thursday remained confident in the country’s ability to deal with a resurgence.

“We are going to put out the fires. We’re not going to close the country,” Trump said. “We can put out the fires. Whether it is an ember or a flame, we are going to put it out. But we are not closing our country.”

Trump appeared at the Ford factory without a mask on Thursday, despite requirements at the facility that everyone wear PPE. The president said that he had taken his mask and eye shields off to speak with the media.
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Just because the US doesn't want to be shutdown, doesn't mean foreign countries will go with it too. The situation is dynamic and you should be shutdown if it's a problem or other countries near by are having problems. Why is shutting it down never an option again?

 

[F/lying Frankenstein]

The economy should stay as open as it can be. Which means that individuals and the authorities need to test everybody regularly, maintain hygiene, distance (or masks for crowded places. ) and try to get a treatment first and foremost, and a vaccine in a few years.
If these steps are taken by a cool-headed population. I don't see why we need another lockdown. While Taiwan can be criticized on their slightly authoritarian approach, they never had to lockdown the entire economy.
So I'd say that it is possible to maintain shit open, you just need to identify and isolate the ill and limit the propagation of the virus until an efficient cure/vaccine is found.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

How about no facemasks, temperature checks or bullshit distance rules.

The mortality rate of COVID is just slightly worse than the flu. We dont need to up end our world for some fat blacks and boomers

 

[sperginity]

I bet this flu season had a record low number of deaths because doctors wrote "COVID" on every death certificate. Probably next flu season will too for that matter.

I was gonna write a whole post about why your'e wrong, but I realized you would just look into it yourself if you gave a shit. But, you're wrong, jsyk.

 

[Kacho]

I really don't understand this phenomena of people who think 'economy' means 'just a few rich people'. The economy is owned and run by normal people. It encompasses every job, every livelihood, every business (the majority of which are small businesses). God knows how many small businesses were already destroyed by the first shutdown. The ones that survived already have a tall hill to climb during reopening in terms of restocking and restaffing. After all that work and expenditure in a time when money is already tight, a second shutdown would destroy virtually every remaining small business. That's not rich people suffering, that's average people being unable to afford their mortgages and feed their families.

The irony of this situation is that the pro-shutdown people are also the anti-big business eat the rich types. The shutdown doesn't hurt the big guys, they're just fine. It only hurts the little guy. Driving the little guy out of business only insures the big guy can maintain and grow their monopoly. Destroying jobs at those small businesses and in certain industries will mean more people will be forced to take a $10/hour Walmart job to survive. How many people do you think will lose employer provided healthcare because of this? How many people do you think will stop being able to afford their own insurance premiums? How many people will kill themselves because their lives have been destroyed? The impact the shutdown has on health and life will be greater than what the virus has done. Trump was 100% correct when he said the cure will be worse than the virus.

This is the left doing what they always do. Offering anti-solutions that create the problems they claim to want to solve.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I was gonna write a whole post about why your'e wrong, but I realized you would just look into it yourself if you gave a shit. But, you're wrong, jsyk.

Except that's exactly what's going on. Hospital administrators are greedy fucks so why wouldn't they take the free money?

https://www.aha.org/advisory/2020-04-16-coronavirus-update-cms-releases-guidance-implementing-cares-act-provisions

There's even an article in this subforum explaining how a alcohol poisoning death was pinned on the Corona because he had it.

 

[Pampered Degenerate]

That is not what anyone is arguing here. They're arguing that we can't indefinitely shut down the economy over media-induced panics, because money doesn't grow on trees and a continued lockdown will only cause even more harm than the coronavirus itself down the line. Anyone who gets infected will have to take specific, individual precautions to avoid spreading the virus, not this all-encompassing lockdown.

Actually, money does grow on trees, or the next best thing, which is that it can be magicked into existence by central banks. The problem is the scarcity of stuff for which you exchange money, such as food and clothes. People forget that goods and services are what constitute economies, money just greases the wheels.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The economy should stay as open as it can be. Which means that individuals and the authorities need to test everybody regularly, maintain hygiene, distance (or masks for crowded places. ) and try to get a treatment first and foremost, and a vaccine in a few years.
If these steps are taken by a cool-headed population. I don't see why we need another lockdown. While Taiwan can be criticized on their slightly authoritarian approach, they never had to lockdown the entire economy.
So I'd say that it is possible to maintain shit open, you just need to identify and isolate the ill and limit the propagation of the virus until an efficient cure/vaccine is found.

There almost certainly will never be a vaccine or a cure. Closing crowded venues for 1-2 more years will fuck over so many people it isn't even funny. Like sports venues playing behind closed doors. Well, no one wants to watch that shit except maybe the NFL, it's just "watch the highlights". That hurts advertisers of course. It also hurts everyone who works at sports arenas. And then smaller crowded venues like a concert, you know, everyone who works as concert promoters, bartenders there, roadies, merch guys, bands (probably losing money anyway statistically) all that shit? They're fucked. Take my temperature at the door, I don't care, but shutting the whole thing down once again is hurting society. People need entertainment and social outlets. Once again, quarantine the elderly and at-risk people.

I was gonna write a whole post about why your'e wrong, but I realized you would just look into it yourself if you gave a shit. But, you're wrong, jsyk.

You'll have to get in line behind everyone else.

I really don't understand this phenomena of people who think 'economy' means 'just a few rich people'. The economy is owned and run by normal people. It encompasses every job, every livelihood, every business (the majority of which are small businesses). God knows how many small businesses were already destroyed by the first shutdown. The ones that survived already have a tall hill to climb during reopening in terms of restocking and restaffing. After all that work and expenditure in a time when money is already tight, a second shutdown would destroy virtually every remaining small business. That's not rich people suffering, that's average people being unable to afford their mortgages and feed their families.

The irony of this situation is that the pro-shutdown people are also the anti-big business eat the rich types. The shutdown doesn't hurt the big guys, they're just fine. It only hurts the little guy. Driving the little guy out of business only insures the big guy can maintain and grow their monopoly. Destroying jobs at those small businesses and in certain industries will mean more people will be forced to take a $10/hour Walmart job to survive. How many people do you think will lose employer provided healthcare because of this? How many people do you think will stop being able to afford their own insurance premiums? How many people will kill themselves because their lives have been destroyed? The impact the shutdown has on health and life will be greater than what the virus has done. Trump was 100% correct when he said the cure will be worse than the virus.

This is the left doing what they always do. Offering anti-solutions that create the problems they claim to want to solve.

Finishing the destruction of the middle class will set the US (and any other country) on a seriously dangerous course. Like "communist revolution" tier, and by communism I don't mean Twitter communism where "everyone wins but the bad capitalists", it's "Commissar Cletus and Commissar Jamal lining capitalist and soyboy alike against the wall and shooting them for counter-revolutionary activities." Or some other sort of revolution that won't be pleasant to anyone no matter who you support.

I'm sure some are liking this from an accelerationist standpoint, and I'm equally sure that if they get their wish they certainly won't be liking it. Sorry, you probably won't be in the Ameri-Stasi or the Right Wing Death Squads, at least not for long.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Didn't he say it wouldn't shut down back in February or so, then he changed his tune?

I bet this flu season had a record low number of deaths because doctors wrote "COVID" on every death certificate. Probably next flu season will too for that matter.

Yeah, it doesn't work that way. CMS audits the shit out of that stuff (which is why I have a job ). If there wasn't a legit reason to put COVID, the provider and/or hospital would lose Medicare reimbursement. If the patient has a certain number of Covid symptoms, which when combined are pretty unique to Covid, then they can put Covid, but they can't just put it willy nilly. Certain things are pretty unique to covid versus other respiratory illnesses (i.e. GI symptoms)

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Didn't he say it wouldn't shut down back in February or so, then he changed his tune?



Yeah, it doesn't work that way. CMS audits the shit out of that stuff (which is why I have a job ). If there wasn't a legit reason to put COVID, the provider and/or hospital would lose Medicare reimbursement. If the patient has a certain number of Covid symptoms, which when combined are pretty unique to Covid, then they can put Covid, but they can't just put it willy nilly. Certain things are pretty unique to covid versus other respiratory illnesses (i.e. GI symptoms)

They're classifying dying with corona under the dying from corona section, and those are the numbers being pointed to when the doomsayers are saying Trump is to blame.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

They're classifying dying with corona under the dying from corona section, and those are the numbers being pointed to when the doomsayers are saying Trump is to blame.

What? The deaths are using what is listed in the medical records and released by the CDC or CMS, or they're totally bogus numbers and shouldn't be reported on the first place

 

[The Final Troondown]

Good
Lockdowns just crash the economy while leaving lots of kindling on the forest floor to continue to burden the system and catch light when another spark arrives
Covid will be under control once it wipes out the sick and the old as it's mostly doing and the countries who let it do its work will emerge with an intact economy, a greatly lessened dependency ratio and a younger and fitter population ready to corner the market in a devastated world

 

[Equivocal_Iki]

Did Trump even shut down the first time? I thought only states shut down at their own discretion.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Didn't he say it wouldn't shut down back in February or so, then he changed his tune?

Trump isn't innocent either in this. He wins by being less loathsome than his opponents, same way he's always won.

Yeah, it doesn't work that way. CMS audits the shit out of that stuff (which is why I have a job ). If there wasn't a legit reason to put COVID, the provider and/or hospital would lose Medicare reimbursement. If the patient has a certain number of Covid symptoms, which when combined are pretty unique to Covid, then they can put Covid, but they can't just put it willy nilly. Certain things are pretty unique to covid versus other respiratory illnesses (i.e. GI symptoms)

What? The deaths are using what is listed in the medical records and released by the CDC or CMS, or they're totally bogus numbers and shouldn't be reported on the first place

Yes, government bureaucrats are infallible indeed, and absolutely nobody has incentive to lie about things to get more money and the government obviously vets every single case. Don't try and pretend your job doesn't involve people endlessly cutting corners assuming they can.

Think of this scenario. Old guy is in the hospital dying of a heart attack. Like millions of others, old guy had asymptomatic unreported COVID. He dies and they test him because he coughed once. "Oh, he had COVID-19, let's write that down." COVID-19 infections are estimated ten times higher than reported numbers which means you can plausibly attribute lots and lots of deaths to it. Shit, the death rates don't hit 10% before the age of what, 85-90? Plenty of old people to contract the disease, not go to the hospital because they toughed it out, and then have a heart attack/whatever and get written down as "died of COVID-19".

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Yes, government bureaucrats are infallible indeed, and absolutely nobody has incentive to lie about things to get more money and the government obviously vets every single case. Don't try and pretend your job doesn't involve people endlessly cutting corners assuming they can.

Think of this scenario. Old guy is in the hospital dying of a heart attack. Like millions of others, old guy had asymptomatic unreported COVID. He dies and they test him because he coughed once. "Oh, he had COVID-19, let's write that down." COVID-19 infections are estimated ten times higher than reported numbers which means you can plausibly attribute lots and lots of deaths to it. Shit, the death rates don't hit 10% before the age of what, 85-90? Plenty of old people to contract the disease, not go to the hospital because they toughed it out, and then have a heart attack/whatever and get written down as "died of COVID-19".

Yeah, that wouldn't happen on a widespread basis. Maybe a case here or there, but since there is financial incentive for treating Covid stuff, CMS will be really auditing that stuff. If the notes mention nothing about Covid then suddenly that's there cause of death, they'd be all over their asses. Hospitals take that stuff really seriously

 

[Shield Breaker]

What? The deaths are using what is listed in the medical records and released by the CDC or CMS, or they're totally bogus numbers and shouldn't be reported on the first place

I don't know what is supposed to happen, but a lot of people are using anyone who dies while infected as the official numbers. You OD but test positive after the fact, the news lists it as a Covid death.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I don't know what is supposed to happen, but a lot of people are using anyone who dies while infected as the official numbers. You OD but test positive after the fact, the news lists it as a Covid death.

That's not true (except in rare isolated cases). CMS audits the shit out of that and would cut their medicare funding.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Bloomberg did some rare journalism and guess what the found out?

They found out that how strict your lockdown was had little bearing on the caseload/fatality rate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-europe-lockdown-excess-deaths-recession/

Now midget Bloomberg of course has a dog in this fight, but the analysis is solid.

We're also finding out that reopening countries/states doesn't really seem to lead to case spikes.

There almost certainly will never be a vaccine or a cure. Closing crowded venues for 1-2 more years will fuck over so many people it isn't even funny. Like sports venues playing behind closed doors. Well, no one wants to watch that shit except maybe the NFL, it's just "watch the highlights". That hurts advertisers of course. It also hurts everyone who works at sports arenas. And then smaller crowded venues like a concert, you know, everyone who works as concert promoters, bartenders there, roadies, merch guys, bands (probably losing money anyway statistically) all that shit? They're fucked. Take my temperature at the door, I don't care, but shutting the whole thing down once again is hurting society. People need entertainment and social outlets. Once again, quarantine the elderly and at-risk people.

Actually UFC 249 just went down without a crowd, and it had 700,000 pay per view buys. So yes, people will watch the NFL with reduced or no crowds.

It would kill a ton of venue jobs though.

 

[Snekposter]

Good. Maybe they'll finally lower ticket and concession prices so they can get butts back in seats.

 

[CWCchange]

The second wave will come, just like the blue wave of 2018.

 

[FuckedUp]

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