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I haven't quite got to the level of "prepper ready for Mad Max with 5 years of food" but I'm satsified with where I'm at.
One month's stockpile will see you through most crises, but three months is a good buffer. I personally consider six months as the upper limit for a food stockpile. If you expect to need more than that, then you might as well just go buy some land and start farming it, because any disruption that requires more than six months of stockpiled food is probably a semi-permanent state of affairs and no amount of hobby prepping will save you from it.
 
The test results arent irrelevant, they show that the real infection numbers are sooo much higher...
I mean the city authorities said they bought the tests to see if it's safe to reopen kindergartens and nurseries. Antibody tests wouldn't give an answer to that since they don't tell you if you're currently infected.
 
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I saw this video making the rounds earlier today.


It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.
 
I mean the city authorities said they bought the tests to see if it's safe to reopen kindergartens and nurseries. Antibody tests wouldn't give an answer to that since they don't tell you if you're currently infected.

Welm that's not entirely true. It's just mostly true.

Here's the thing. If you know enough about the virus, an antibody test can actually tell you if you're contagious. But we don't know enough about SARS-CoV2. And more importantly, the biggest problem with antibody tests today is that 90% of them are disguised chinese tests being resold by cover ops. And chinese tests. Well. Are Made In China. Which is a seal that tells you everything you need to know. Let me explain how to know if you're infective via antibody:

Antibody tests measure 2 types of antibody. IgG and IgM. As we explained on prior pages of this thread, the difference is that IgGs are primary response antibodies made through random mutation by the body in the biological equivalent of soviet weapons testing (which is to say throw everything at the wall and see what sticks), IgMs however are secondsry response antibodies made by memory cells which saw what IgGs worked and made them proper, much like after realizing in the spanish civil war what kinda tanks worked best the soviets started producing T34s for ww2. This is why secondary response provided IMMUNITY. This is where that comes from.

Point is. If the test is negative, you might either not be infected or be latent, which is to say you just got infected but the virus hasn't yet reproduced enough to be noticed by your immune system. It is true that some viri are infective even while latent. Others aren't. If you know the virus isn't then this tells you at the very least you're not infective yet. Sadly everything seems to point towards covid definitely being infective from minute 1. Then primary response activates, so if you see IgGs but not IgMs that means you're DEFINITELY infected and very likely contagious. Though some virus stop being contagious once they exhibit symptoms this is the minority. And covid sure as shit ain't on that group. Then activates secondary response and we detect IgMs. And here is where things get wonky. Because if you have IgGs and IgMs that can mean either you are not yet done with the infection and it is lasting so long that your body had time to go full arms race. In which case you are most likely infectious. Or you already finished the infection but your blood has yet to clean the IgGs, because that's a very long process. With some viri once primary response triggers you're not infective either, so that wouldn't matter. Others, which is what we seem to find in Covid, can actually live on your mucous. Which means even arter being healthy you can still be contagious for a while. So in a way it doesn't matter either, you probably should take a break.

Finally if you have IgMs and not IgGs, you're definitely immune and not contagious.

And so that's how you can kinda freeball infectiousness with antibody tests. You'd think trying to use this wonky ass formula to decide protocol would be insanity, and it kinda is, but due to how extremely cheap and fast antibody tests are some businesses do routinely just use this and give something like 1 week break to people with g+m and 2 weeks for people with only gs and then they call it a day. It's actually distressingly common just how thoroughly some businesses don't give a shit when measuring outbreaks... And that's the ones that bother testing to begin with. Most just tell whoever calls in sick "ok" and take the losses. Some just accept everyone's getting sick and they tell them to work through the pain or get replaced. It's kind of fucked up.

So, yeah, I could see why they'd try... but it wasn't a good idea.
 
It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce

Those are absolutely shoppers, there's no way a worker could act or talk like that to a customer without getting fired. The store manager was probably cringing so hard seeing this happened. Thats a lost customer, and its common business knowledge that one unhappy customer is more likely to tell several others and encourage them not to shop there. This is why no stores throw customers out, unless they have police or security.

Cant wait to see more of this in ghetto neighborhoods. Gonna be some good chimp outs.
 
I saw this video making the rounds earlier today.


It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.
This sort of thing will be cheered on, until a bunch of white people verbally harass a visible minority, and then it will be considered a troubling indication of racism, and it will never happen again. For example, they made a big deal about the New York City police department enforcing mask wearing, and then dropped it as soon as that video came out of the cops arresting a black woman with a baby for not wearing a mask properly.
 
I saw this video making the rounds earlier today.


It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.
Saw that come up on the ol' Twatter feed this morning. The replies largely nauseate me from those celebrating their gang-up of the non-mask-wearer. Neighbor-snitching has taken hold real hard in SI.
 
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Welm that's not entirely true. It's just mostly true.

Here's the thing. If you know enough about the virus, an antibody test can actually tell you if you're contagious. But we don't know enough about SARS-CoV2. And more importantly, the biggest problem with antibody tests today is that 90% of them are disguised chinese tests being resold by cover ops. And chinese tests. Well. Are Made In China. Which is a seal that tells you everything you need to know. Let me explain how to know if you're infective via antibody:

Antibody tests measure 2 types of antibody. IgG and IgM. As we explained on prior pages of this thread, the difference is that IgGs are primary response antibodies made through random mutation by the body in the biological equivalent of soviet weapons testing (which is to say throw everything at the wall and see what sticks), IgMs however are secondsry response antibodies made by memory cells which saw what IgGs worked and made them proper, much like after realizing in the spanish civil war what kinda tanks worked best the soviets started producing T34s for ww2. This is why secondary response provided IMMUNITY. This is where that comes from.

Point is. If the test is negative, you might either not be infected or be latent, which is to say you just got infected but the virus hasn't yet reproduced enough to be noticed by your immune system. It is true that some viri are infective even while latent. Others aren't. If you know the virus isn't then this tells you at the very least you're not infective yet. Sadly everything seems to point towards covid definitely being infective from minute 1. Then primary response activates, so if you see IgGs but not IgMs that means you're DEFINITELY infected and very likely contagious. Though some virus stop being contagious once they exhibit symptoms this is the minority. And covid sure as shit ain't on that group. Then activates secondary response and we detect IgMs. And here is where things get wonky. Because if you have IgGs and IgMs that can mean either you are not yet done with the infection and it is lasting so long that your body had time to go full arms race. In which case you are most likely infectious. Or you already finished the infection but your blood has yet to clean the IgGs, because that's a very long process. With some viri once primary response triggers you're not infective either, so that wouldn't matter. Others, which is what we seem to find in Covid, can actually live on your mucous. Which means even arter being healthy you can still be contagious for a while. So in a way it doesn't matter either, you probably should take a break.

Finally if you have IgMs and not IgGs, you're definitely immune and not contagious.

And so that's how you can kinda freeball infectiousness with antibody tests. You'd think trying to use this wonky ass formula to decide protocol would be insanity, and it kinda is, but due to how extremely cheap and fast antibody tests are some businesses do routinely just use this and give something like 1 week break to people with g+m and 2 weeks for people with only gs and then they call it a day. It's actually distressingly common just how thoroughly some businesses don't give a shit when measuring outbreaks... And that's the ones that bother testing to begin with. Most just tell whoever calls in sick "ok" and take the losses. Some just accept everyone's getting sick and they tell them to work through the pain or get replaced. It's kind of fucked up.

So, yeah, I could see why they'd try... but it wasn't a good idea.
Thanks, excellent explanation. My issue is, they're not even a business, we're talking about the third largest city. They could have very easily consulted any number of experts before allocating resources to this, but instead they rushed an inconclusive solution then made a fuss about how the decision to start reopening education and care facilities, in a region with 370 known cases out of 2.5 million people, is irresponsible. Can't see much good faith here.
 
Thanks, excellent explanation. My issue is, they're not even a business, we're talking about the third largest city. They could have very easily consulted any number of experts before allocating resources to this, but instead they rushed an inconclusive solution then made a fuss about how the decision to start reopening education and care facilities, in a region with 370 known cases out of 2.5 million people, is irresponsible. Can't see much good faith here.

Honestly with summer right around the corner anyway I'd say education should just open based on exam calendar for the necessary cases (what in spain is called "transition years") and that's about it. Just... between idiots saying it's this big irresponsibility, dummies trying to somehow restructure classrooms in record fucking time to open ASAP but also somehow follow procedure, and assholes bitching about muh fascism/comunism. Who even gives a shit? Class closes in July! It's not gonna be enough time to matter either way anyway. On education side, if online hasn't been enough it's too late to fix it without extraordinary summer courses. And on epidemiology side, well, you might risk an outbreak on heavily affected areas. But with only the transition years it would be small so unless you have no hospitals you should be able to handle it. This'd be so much easier if people didn't suck.
 
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It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.

Because that's what you do when you're absolutely, pants-shittingly scared of a bat plague - gang up on an UNMASKED PERSON, get in their face, and cause a ruckus, on a heavily infected island in the nation's worst-affected city. Yeah, sure. So scared.

This is 100% shameless Karen bullshit. If you're gonna virtue signal and peacock your righteous fear in public, YOU. ARE NOT. AFRAID. If you were, your spoiled NYT ass would be shaking under your bed in your shoebox apartment/house with a pathetic concrete slab for a yard (this is SI, after all). Also, my god, Noo Yawk has fallen. Just try a stunt like this in 90s Staten Island... the cops would never find you. I guess all those Idaho hipsters brought Karen germs with them? Spread it via artisanal cheese?

tl;dr Noo Yawk is weak, hot damn did I get out in time.
 
Imagine you can manipulate people so well that you dont need to control them, they control each other.
I despair. This is where Pc culture/‘you can’t say that’ and SJW call outs has led us. To a society where petty hitlers actively police everyone for socially acceptable speech, thought and behaviour. You dont even need force. We do it to ourselves.
 
I saw this video making the rounds earlier today.


It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.
Mob rule. Great! A market for or Karens and homosexuals. I wouldn’t want to shop there and get AIDS.
 
I saw this video making the rounds earlier today.


It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.

Guess this is one advantage to living in the passive-aggressive parts of the Midwest. People might judge silently for not wearing a mask, but they’ll never say a word to someone’s face.

Not surprising though the same side that thinks Antifa is a-ok endorses a scenario where they get to enact mob rule upon random citizens (and their children, since I’m fairly sure there was a young child who ran away as the mob approached the mom).
 
Find the original scientific paper linking HIV to AIDS. PRO TIP: it doesn't exist


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here's one: "The Dicovery of HIV as the Cause of AIDS", Robert C Gallo et al., N Engl J Med., 2003.

PRO TIP: once you become a professional virologist and find the "real" cause for AIDS, let the world now, you might get a Nobel prize and become very rich and in the process save many people. Did you call already a hospital to share your thoughts?

Oh and also explain with retrovirals help against AIDS because it seems weird to me.

Also not to be a virologist but imho something called "Human Immunodeficiency Virus" might have the name because it is linked to the "Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome". Just a thought.

In the meantime, I myself will stick to the science and avoid getting infected by HIV-positive people, whatever the number after "HIV" they have :-)

I mean the city authorities said they bought the tests to see if it's safe to reopen kindergartens and nurseries. Antibody tests wouldn't give an answer to that since they don't tell you if you're currently infected.

Hello, what is the source for the news about Lodz and Schlesien? no disrespect meant, but I like to check myself sources :-)
 
I saw this video making the rounds earlier today.


It apparently occurred in a Staten Island grocery store. The only context that I got out of the source (archive) is that a group of mask wearing shoppers were ostracizing a fellow shopper for not wearing a mask. Everything seems to indicate that these were shoppers trying to enforce a mask rule, not store employees.
I think we may have that zombie apocalypse we've heard so much about.
 
Welm that's not entirely true. It's just mostly true.

Here's the thing. If you know enough about the virus, an antibody test can actually tell you if you're contagious. But we don't know enough about SARS-CoV2. And more importantly, the biggest problem with antibody tests today is that 90% of them are disguised chinese tests being resold by cover ops. And chinese tests. Well. Are Made In China. Which is a seal that tells you everything you need to know. Let me explain how to know if you're infective via antibody:

Antibody tests measure 2 types of antibody. IgG and IgM. As we explained on prior pages of this thread, the difference is that IgGs are primary response antibodies made through random mutation by the body in the biological equivalent of soviet weapons testing (which is to say throw everything at the wall and see what sticks), IgMs however are secondsry response antibodies made by memory cells which saw what IgGs worked and made them proper, much like after realizing in the spanish civil war what kinda tanks worked best the soviets started producing T34s for ww2. This is why secondary response provided IMMUNITY. This is where that comes from.

Point is. If the test is negative, you might either not be infected or be latent, which is to say you just got infected but the virus hasn't yet reproduced enough to be noticed by your immune system. It is true that some viri are infective even while latent. Others aren't. If you know the virus isn't then this tells you at the very least you're not infective yet. Sadly everything seems to point towards covid definitely being infective from minute 1. Then primary response activates, so if you see IgGs but not IgMs that means you're DEFINITELY infected and very likely contagious. Though some virus stop being contagious once they exhibit symptoms this is the minority. And covid sure as shit ain't on that group. Then activates secondary response and we detect IgMs. And here is where things get wonky. Because if you have IgGs and IgMs that can mean either you are not yet done with the infection and it is lasting so long that your body had time to go full arms race. In which case you are most likely infectious. Or you already finished the infection but your blood has yet to clean the IgGs, because that's a very long process. With some viri once primary response triggers you're not infective either, so that wouldn't matter. Others, which is what we seem to find in Covid, can actually live on your mucous. Which means even arter being healthy you can still be contagious for a while. So in a way it doesn't matter either, you probably should take a break.

Finally if you have IgMs and not IgGs, you're definitely immune and not contagious.

And so that's how you can kinda freeball infectiousness with antibody tests. You'd think trying to use this wonky ass formula to decide protocol would be insanity, and it kinda is, but due to how extremely cheap and fast antibody tests are some businesses do routinely just use this and give something like 1 week break to people with g+m and 2 weeks for people with only gs and then they call it a day. It's actually distressingly common just how thoroughly some businesses don't give a shit when measuring outbreaks... And that's the ones that bother testing to begin with. Most just tell whoever calls in sick "ok" and take the losses. Some just accept everyone's getting sick and they tell them to work through the pain or get replaced. It's kind of fucked up.

So, yeah, I could see why they'd try... but it wasn't a good idea.

Hello, thanks for taking the time for the explanation and sorry for my triple post, but you wrote:

"Finally if you have IgMs and not IgGs, you're definitely immune and not contagious."

I disagree :-) IgM (+) means you went through the infection and IgG (-) means it's not recent, like you say, but it doesn't mean someone is immune. We don't know that yet. Think about the cold, the flu, people can get it twice.

Here is a paper about dengue (also viral):


and here the WHO explains why IgM(+) doesn't mean (yet) someone is immune:


we don't know yet and it seems it is not so, but who knows. There are many viruses too where IgM (+) means you are extremely unlikely to get it.
 
Alright. Likely last update for today. Overall nothing new. Except that stock closed for the day, and I want this framed:
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First place is germany, nothing that we didn't expect. But Spain has seriously managed to stay 3rd after having managed to avoid the fall everyone else suffered last week. So this is some really good news as people were doubting if having dodged that fall would result in a "W", like what's happening to NY right now. And on a funnier note. GO GREECE! Oh that was the most entertaining shit ever. Who would've thunk those 4 oh-so-mighty northern economies would be lagging behind not just our crisis-bound ass but also the toga-loving yogurt munchers! I know it doesn't mean much. But I'm still loving this chart. Pity for the reds though. Heart still goes to the brits, malta and belgrado. Hope you get well soon! (Even if you're threatening us, again, for some fucking reason. Seriously why the fuck does britain always go rough against spain whenever they have a spat with the krauts? We have no horse in this race!)

And indeed the good economy IS translating into the work market. As we've already regenerated over 100000 jobs, which is more than 1/9th of the damage caused by this crisis:
So, as I told you. The bounce back is real. Issue is still the debt crisis. We'll have to figure that one out soon enough. But for now. If this keeps going. And taking into account the changes in infrastructure and logistics, we might be getting stronk out of this. Despite France's best efforts to fuck with us. Which they already tried twice the slimy bastards. Didn't work out so well now did it? Hah!

So the croissants have tried to fuck with spain twice now. First try tried restricting flights to spain when the quarantine to flights happened. And stated it was definitely a Political move because "movement between two countries should be as easy in one direction as it is the other", which... first of, no. That's never actually been that way, specially not during quarantines. And second, that's not how quarantine works. Reason we restricted flights is because we're currently buffing hotel and airport security alongside our hospital infrastructure and we need to fucking avoid having an outbreak before ir happens. Singling spain out and calling us out accusing us of political maneuvering is just baguettes being baguettes, which is to say assholes.

The second is when they called our measures inconsistend and proclaimed they recomended no one vacations in spain. And now, I'm the first one to laugh at spanish inconsistencies in lawmaking you know that well. But first of. Why did they claim we were inconsistent? Because our government is restricting travel (while in quarantine) yet opening our doors (the 1st if july. After quarantine ends), parenthesis added by me. I think you can see where this is going.

So the minister in charge of tourism in spain has had to make a fucking communicate explaining, really, really, fucking, slowly, and I swear she was channeling her inner disappointed mom, her tone was "professor that's having to repeat for the 20th time that 1+1=2 during a master's degree." That as the gov has repeated over and over again, the restrictions only last while we prepare logistically during lockdown, that said lockdown will lift during june, and that this is the precise reason why the 1st of july was chosen to reopen, as it is the earliest day qe can guarantee a smooth entrance. Restriction will as such have lifted BEFORE we reopen, and therefore, there is no contradiction, at least to anyone who actually thinks about it and has an IQ in the positive numbers. So apparently no one in the french government.

Jokes aside. It's obvious why Macron and Co are doing this. Tourism is an industry in France. And as with everything else, Spain is their biggest and most reliable competitor. So France wishes to throw dirt on us as they promote national tourism. And spain is also promoting national tourism so we sure as shit won't attack them for it. Issue is France isn't admitting that's what they wish to do, as they try to hide their economic pain. And as you can see us spaniards are quite opposed to such dishonest tactics, so we definitely look down on french gov for that, though we wouldn't actually be going after them necessarily because really, of course everyone knows the french are slimy, cowardly and dishonest. But throwing dirt on us? Now that's asking for a paddling. I believe so far the minister's public dressdown will be enough unless Maccaroni's team keeps pressing. If they do we'll see how that goes. But it sure will be fun!
 
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