U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[Otterly]

Do you know that by expertise or is this just gut feeling? In the latter case, wait for the autopsy.

Expertise. It’s the same way crucifixion kills you, positional asphyxia, albeit nowhere near as extreme. Even being cuffed hands behind back and lying prone will cause breathing issues in some people. Any compression of the neck Can kill. Have had this argument a thousand times trying to persuade women whose BFs are into ‘breath play’ that it can and does kill - all it needs is a bit of plaque dislodged off an artery and it’s goodnight vienna.
Any comorbidities- large guy, being overweight, and kind of heart or lung issue amplifies the risk. The autopsy may show heart attack, stroke or asphyxia - but all will be a direct result of that restraint. .

I know cops face some pretty hard arrests, with some violent offenders and they need robust techniques to keep an offender down, and they need to be able to restrain - but kneeling with your knee on a prone cuffed man is not good.
Cop needs to be charged, is my opinion.

 

[polyester]

I’m usually a pretty big police/law enforcement supporter but even I’ve got to admit the cops were fucking psychos in this situation. Good that they got fired, I hope the one guy gets charged with something.

The other officers who just stood there and watched should also face serious consequences.

There will always be some psychos who join the police because they see it as their ticket to legally hurt and kill people.
You can't realistically screen them all out.

What you can do, though, is shape the laws, regulations, and legal precedents in such a way that their non-psycho cop buddies feel it's in their self-interest to immediately intervene in such a situation, rather than just stand there and watch until the victim is dead.

(Won't happen, of course. The FBI investigation is just for show; They'll be reinstated.)

 

[Feline Supremacist]

They had him on the ground so he couldn't do those things. Seriously, this shouldn't be so difficult for people to understand. They had him on the ground and kept him pinned so he couldn't get up to fight/run or move around enough to potentially get his cuffs around his legs and his hands in front of him. If he's up on his feet he can still kick, headbutt, bite, potentially pull a weapon he has concealed on him that the officers may have missed, or try to back up into one of the officers to make a grab for their sidearm. If hes sitting down he can lift his ass up off the ground, get his cuffs around to the back of his legs, and bring his the cuffs around his feet to get his hands in front of him. At that point he could get his cuffs around the neck of one of the officers or try for one of their sidearms. This kind of thing happens literally every day without perps dying.

Listen to yourself. He was on the ground with three men holding him down,with his arms/hands already restrained mind you, and one of the men was pressing upon his larynx with his knee, with his weight behind him, for several minutes, long enough to cause damage/block the airway to his lungs. No matter how you spin it, if three grown men can't subdue one person without causing serious bodily harm or death then they shouldn't be cops.

This isn't some Judge Dredd hellscape. The police aren't judge/jury/executioners. That he might do X isn't a legitimate reason to seriously injure or kill someone who is only suspected of having committed a crime.

And this was over a low level "forgery" accusation from a supermarket. During Gov Karen's emergency social distancing orders. He should have been cited and given a DAT/summons/whatever they call it there to appear in court as it's not a violent crime.

I went to school with guys who became cops. I have friends who are cops. I've dated cops. One of my immediate family members is a cop. This isn't about taking sides. What happened was wrong.

 

[The Dude]

Listen to yourself. He was on the ground with three men holding him down,with his arms/hands already restrained mind you, and one of the men was pressing upon his larynx with his knee, with his weight behind him, for several minutes, long enough to cause damage/block the airway to his lungs. No matter how you spin it, if three grown men can't subdue one person without causing serious bodily harm or death then they shouldn't be cops.

This isn't some Judge Dredd hellscape. The police aren't judge/jury/executioners. That he might do X isn't a legitimate reason to seriously injure or kill someone who is only suspected of having committed a crime.

And this was over a low level "forgery" accusation from a supermarket. During Gov Karen's emergency social distancing orders. He should have been cited and given a DAT/summons/whatever they call it there to appear in court as it's not a violent crime.

I went to school with guys who became cops. I have friends who are cops. I've dated cops. One of my immediate family members is a cop. This isn't about taking sides. What happened was wrong.

He wasn't pressing on his larynx. He was pressing on the back of his neck. The larynx is on the front. If the officer has his knee on the perp's larynx then the guy wouldn't even be able to talk.

And it doesn't matter what the crime is. What matters is how the perp acts when the arrest is attempted. If he starts getting violent or resists then more force is appropriate. This kind of thing happens every day all across the country without perps dying, including the knee to the back of the neck.

Like I said, if the autopsy report comes back and the evidence points to the officer being at fault, then I agree he should be held legally accountable. But even then, it would be negligent homicide at worst because the officer was 100% within policy and using an approved method to keep a suspect subdued.

And cuffing is standard for every arrest, even for compliant suspects. They're cuffed, a search is done of their property to see if they are in possession of anything illegal and while waiting to hear back on if they have any outstanding warrants, if it's something that can be handled with a summons then they are un-cuffed and allowed to leave, but if it's a felony, they have outstanding warrants, or they've done something like resist arrest or gotten violent during the arrest then they're brought back to the precinct or to jail to be booked and processed. It's done this way because you never know how a perp is going to act or if they will suddenly get violent, go for a weapon, etc.

 

[Male Idiot]

Do not resist arrest. If you do, don't reee if you die. What is so hard to understand? Every state has a monopoly on violence everywhere.

Fat jigaboo should have just not resisted the arrest so his poor drug and fat clogged heart wouldn't go dindu nuffins.

You are all weak soychugging antifa-ggot useful idiots who would no doubt be eating up Stalin's propaganda like its pure cocaine if we were in the 50s.

You don't fight with police. Its dumber than the poor polack we rag on in another thread for fighting a bear. Fighting police is dumber than fighting a bear. And fighting a bear is pretty retárded.

"Oooohww poor guy just robbed a construction site! Did not deserve death! Oh pooor guy just resisted arrest! Did not deserve death!"
Guess what, criminals deserve what they get. If they don't want to get what they deserve, let them die. Especially blue collar crime ones that cause physical damage and injury. If you resist lethal authority you forfeit your life on your own accord. It is that simple.

This was no limpwristed kike lawyer who embezzled funds but could not lift 10 pounds and could not shoah an ant because he is so weak.
Imbeciles. Morons. Rétards. How many mental gymnastic loops do you jump through so that you can make fun of Chris chan when you are this dumb? Even he knows not to mess with the police. Think long and hard on that and reflect on yourselves.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

He wasn't pressing on his larynx. He was pressing on the back of his neck. The larynx is on the front. If the officer has his knee on the perp's larynx then the guy wouldn't even be able to talk.

And it doesn't matter what the crime is. What matters is how the perp acts when the arrest is attempted. If he starts getting violent or resists then more force is appropriate. This kind of thing happens every day all across the country without perps dying, including the knee to the back of the neck.

Like I said, if the autopsy report comes back and the evidence points to the officer being at fault, then I agree he should be held legally accountable. But even then, it would be negligent homicide at worst because the officer was 100% within policy and using an approved method to keep a suspect subdued.

And cuffing is standard for every arrest, even for compliant suspects. They're cuffed, a search is done of their property to see if they are in possession of anything illegal and while waiting to hear back on if they have any outstanding warrants, if it's something that can be handled with a summons then they are un-cuffed and allowed to leave, but if it's a felony, they have outstanding warrants, or they've done something like resist arrest or gotten violent during the arrest then they're brought back to the precinct or to jail to be booked and processed. It's done this way because you never know how a perp is going to act or if they will suddenly get violent, go for a weapon, etc.

Holy shit you really do need to read what you post. By pressing down on the back of his neck, THE NECK is where the spinal cord, arteries and larynx are located. That cop constricted his airway as well as blood flow. I and others have already explained how this can kill, you choose to ignore it.

No one here is debating you on whether or not he should have been restrained/cuffed. We're taking issue on the way it was done, which resulted in death.

It does matter what the alleged crime is. You act as if he had already been adjudicated. He had not. A supermarket called to make a complaint alleging "forgery". Children selling lemonade without a license is also a crime. Are you suggesting children get thrown on the ground, handcuffed and booked into the county jail? Of course not, because not all crime is the same.

And because Gov Karenführer has ordered social distancing on all her citizens, he shouldn't have been arrested, just cited and released. He wasn't accused of committing a violent felony/misdemeanor.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

Do not resist arrest. If you do, don't reee if you die. What is so hard to understand? Every state has a monopoly on violence everywhere.

Fat jigaboo should have just not resisted the arrest so his poor drug and fat clogged heart wouldn't go dindu nuffins.

You are all weak soychugging antifa-ggot useful idiots who would no doubt be eating up Stalin's propaganda like its pure cocaine if we were in the 50s.

You don't fight with police. Its dumber than the poor polack we rag on in another thread for fighting a bear. Fighting police is dumber than fighting a bear. And fighting a bear is pretty retárded.

"Oooohww poor guy just robbed a construction site! Did not deserve death! Oh pooor guy just resisted arrest! Did not deserve death!"
Guess what, criminals deserve what they get. If they don't want to get what they deserve, let them die. Especially blue collar crime ones that cause physical damage and injury. If you resist lethal authority you forfeit your life on your own accord. It is that simple.

This was no limpwristed one of Trump's Chosen People lawyer who embezzled funds but could not lift 10 pounds and could not shoah an ant because he is so weak.
Imbeciles. Morons. Rétards. How many mental gymnastic loops do you jump through so that you can make fun of Chris chan when you are this dumb? Even he knows not to mess with the police. Think long and hard on that and reflect on yourselves.

He was already subdued when he was being chocked out for 7 minutes, at that point your not resisting shit.

"Stop breathing citizen!"

 

[and 3 others]

It wasn't excessive force. It's standard operating procedures for literally every law enforcement agency in the US when a suspect is resisting arrest or there's reason to suspect he will try to flee or fight after being cuffed. All I'm doing is trying to educate people who obviously have had zero experience with the law enforcement side of an arrest. If the autopsy report comes back and says the perp asphyxiated due to the officer's negligence, then I agree charges should be pressed against the officer. All I've said one way or the other is to wait for a coroner's report stating what the guy actually died from before getting the pitchforks and lynch ropes.

Edit: For the record, at worst this is negligent homicide. The officer was using an approved and time-proven method of keeping a perp under control until they can be placed into a transport vehicle. The fact that the guy could still talk shows that his airway was clear enough to breathe. But, again, I'm going to wait for the autopsy report to come back before condemning anyone involved.

Waiting for the coroner's report when there's footage of the officer kneeling on the guy's neck is like waiting for an expert chemist's opinion before judging whether your house is actually on fire.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Yeah people pull the "I cant breathe officer" all the time. That being said, I received some arrest technique training in my life, and kneeling on someone's neck was explicitly forbidden. (well kneeling on anything that's marked red on the schematics) That is grounds for punishment.

Ours required at least three points of contact on grounded individuals while restraining them; with two of them being the actual ground, one on a control/pressure-point, and the free hand for manipulative/restraining. That keeps you from getting bucked.... as well as avoiding the guy on the ground taking a permanent dirt nap.

The cop on top had zero. All his weight was bearing down on two major points; the veins/arteries in the grounded man's upper arm & neck. Each on its own can put a normal man into the dark world after just a few seconds. In terms of technique, that cop was doing such a piss-poor & dangerous job, as a supervisor I would've immediately relieved him.

The guy being restrained must've been fucking ox-like, having the strength to keep conscious & vocalizing. But even so; having partners & proper training, along with not being a lazy pig, and the man should've been handily restrained.

 

[Tim Buckley]

This was no limpwristed one of Trump's Chosen People lawyer who embezzled funds but could not lift 10 pounds and could not shoah an ant because he is so weak.
Imbeciles. Morons. Rétards. How many mental gymnastic loops do you jump through so that you can make fun of Chris chan when you are this dumb? Even he knows not to mess with the police. Think long and hard on that and reflect on yourselves.

Hey, relax, you've been a good boy no need to get upset, here suck on this to feel better.

Spoiler: GAY PORN

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

People like to joke that A&H are just a bunch of racists but when it comes down to it, when you're wrong, you're wrong. We're not as bad/racist as people say. I'll always come down on whoever fucked up based on the evidence, race be damned.

This is the same subforum where people call black people chimps and the n word pretty regularly.

 

[The Last Stand]

It wasn't excessive force. It's standard operating procedures for literally every law enforcement agency in the US when a suspect is resisting arrest or there's reason to suspect he will try to flee or fight after being cuffed. All I'm doing is trying to educate people who obviously have had zero experience with the law enforcement side of an arrest. If the autopsy report comes back and says the perp asphyxiated due to the officer's negligence, then I agree charges should be pressed against the officer. All I've said one way or the other is to wait for a coroner's report stating what the guy actually died from before getting the pitchforks and lynch ropes.

Edit: For the record, at worst this is negligent homicide. The officer was using an approved and time-proven method of keeping a perp under control until they can be placed into a transport vehicle. The fact that the guy could still talk shows that his airway was clear enough to breathe. But, again, I'm going to wait for the autopsy report to come back before condemning anyone involved.

Blue Lives Matter. Cops can do no wrong.

Do not resist arrest. If you do, don't reee if you die. What is so hard to understand? Every state has a monopoly on violence everywhere.

Fat jigaboo should have just not resisted the arrest so his poor drug and fat clogged heart wouldn't go dindu nuffins.

You are all weak soychugging antifa-ggot useful idiots who would no doubt be eating up Stalin's propaganda like its pure cocaine if we were in the 50s.

You don't fight with police. Its dumber than the poor polack we rag on in another thread for fighting a bear. Fighting police is dumber than fighting a bear. And fighting a bear is pretty retárded.

"Oooohww poor guy just robbed a construction site! Did not deserve death! Oh pooor guy just resisted arrest! Did not deserve death!"
Guess what, criminals deserve what they get. If they don't want to get what they deserve, let them die. Especially blue collar crime ones that cause physical damage and injury. If you resist lethal authority you forfeit your life on your own accord. It is that simple.

This was no limpwristed one of Trump's Chosen People lawyer who embezzled funds but could not lift 10 pounds and could not shoah an ant because he is so weak.
Imbeciles. Morons. Rétards. How many mental gymnastic loops do you jump through so that you can make fun of Chris chan when you are this dumb? Even he knows not to mess with the police. Think long and hard on that and reflect on yourselves.

Nice right wing racism coupled with contempt of police brutality.

And you wonder why this race fallacy falls flat.

 

[Übertroon]

Do not resist arrest. If you do, don't reee if you die. What is so hard to understand? Every state has a monopoly on violence everywhere.

Fat jigaboo should have just not resisted the arrest so his poor drug and fat clogged heart wouldn't go dindu nuffins.

You are all weak soychugging antifa-ggot useful idiots who would no doubt be eating up Stalin's propaganda like its pure cocaine if we were in the 50s.

You don't fight with police. Its dumber than the poor polack we rag on in another thread for fighting a bear. Fighting police is dumber than fighting a bear. And fighting a bear is pretty retárded.

"Oooohww poor guy just robbed a construction site! Did not deserve death! Oh pooor guy just resisted arrest! Did not deserve death!"
Guess what, criminals deserve what they get. If they don't want to get what they deserve, let them die. Especially blue collar crime ones that cause physical damage and injury. If you resist lethal authority you forfeit your life on your own accord. It is that simple.

This was no limpwristed one of Trump's Chosen People lawyer who embezzled funds but could not lift 10 pounds and could not shoah an ant because he is so weak.
Imbeciles. Morons. Rétards. How many mental gymnastic loops do you jump through so that you can make fun of Chris chan when you are this dumb? Even he knows not to mess with the police. Think long and hard on that and reflect on yourselves.

Uh oh
Seems you rattled the cage for pointing out that starting a fight with the police comes with consequences.
There's a lot of internet tough guys in here who think they'll just use their wrestling moves to safely detain criminals.
It doesn't matter what technique you use when there are people out there who will rather welcome death than jail

 

[haurchefant]

This is the same subforum where people call black people chimps and the n word pretty regularly.

to be fair calling someone a jogger can be be pretty funny.

I posit that it's more in line with old 4chan style shitposting where casual racism was encouraged if you could be funny about it

of course there are other reasons. racism - genuine racism, not just late night shitposting casual racism - is based out of a feeling of inferiority in a person's own qualities. people don't become racial supremacists because they're happy with their lives, they become genuine supremacists because they're very unhappy and spend a lot of time worrying about whether they measure up to Tyrone or Jamal.

I've noticed that a lot of white dudes that are gymrats and actually invest in taking care of themselves aren't really all prejudiced compared to the regular WNs and I suspect it's because they grew their self confidence and don't have to tear down others or try to fix desperate labels like "race realist" to their positions in a bid to be legitimate. they know themselves and who they are so they don't feel like they're competing with anyone. However since KF is a "free speech refuge" (that's so pretentious but here we are) you get a lot more of those insecure people airing their grievances in what is, ironically, a safe-space where they can show how they really feel. even if it's only true in that specific moment and it doesn't permeate their entire lives. A lot of the people who use KF were chased off of other platforms and are still very assmad about it.

Niggers really are terrible though

 

[Freya]

Holy shit, this case is fucked up enough that even A&N is defending the black person!

you know shit's bad when that happens lol

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

He was already subdued when he was being chocked out for 7 minutes, at that point your not resisting shit.

"Stop breathing citizen!"

Nah dude. The officers were scared for their life by him menacingly breathing on the pavement. He could have easily jumped to his feet, disarm the handcuffs, upholstered the officers gun and used it to shoot our brave boys in blue. Lightening quick before the 3 other officers holding him down could have responded.

honestly they should have just pulled out their guns and executed him then and there.

Remember, officers are never wrong, its the citizens that they patrol who are.

 

[babaGAReeb]

this guy needs the death penalty

chokes the nigga with his knee and then later wonders why he died

 

[General Disarray]

That is the most outrageous part of this whole incident. Mayor Frey didn't even wait a day before firing all four officers, he didn't fire them before a formal investigation could be completed, he fired them before one could be started. That was a brilliant move. If the MPD had a problem because of this it's now much larger as no officer is going to want to do their job there, officers are going to leave for other departments, and nobody's going to want to start there.

Did they fire that Somalian officer who shot that woman point-fucking blank from his cop car?

No, no they did not. Matter of fact, it took his case being brought to the grand jury for him to RESIGN.

Wikipedia:

Investigation
An application for a search warrant to search the alley where the shooting occurred, referring to the shooting incident, stated: "Upon police arrival, a female 'slaps' the back of the patrol squad. After that, it is unknown to BCA agents what exactly happened, but the female became deceased in the alley."[48] Among items collected were fingerprints from the rear cargo door window of the squad car.[49]

Hours after the shooting, Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigators controversially obtained a second search warrant and carried out a search of Damond's home for evidence, including 'bodily fluids, controlled substances, and writings'. They did not take anything from the property.[50] Noor refused to speak with investigators, invoking his right against self-incrimination.[51][52] Noor and Harrity were then on paid administrative leave.[53]

In February 2018, a grand jury was convened to investigate Damond's death.[54] On February 15, 2018, Harrity appeared before the grand jury.[55]

Trial and conviction
On March 20, 2018, a warrant was issued for third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter charges, and Noor turned himself in to police. He also resigned from the force.[56]

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That is the most outrageous part of this whole incident. Mayor Frey didn't even wait a day before firing all four officers, he didn't fire them before a formal investigation could be completed, he fired them before one could be started. That was a brilliant move. If the MPD had a problem because of this it's now much larger as no officer is going to want to do their job there, officers are going to leave for other departments, and nobody's going to want to start there.

Not sure why he needs to wait. The guy was handcuffed, hands behind his back, on the ground. The officer had his knee on his neck, the guy said he couldn't breath and was clearly struggling for breath. There were four cops around him. Even if the guy was resisting arrest, he was on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back. He's no longer a threat there. Especially with four cops there. A cop should never have his knee on a guy's throat. That's just fucked up

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Did they fire that Somalian officer who shot that woman point-fucking blank from his cop car?

Well if I learned anything from the bootlickers in this thread, Officer Lightbulb-head was fully justified in his shooting. Do you how possible it could have been a criminal getting the jump on our brave boys? Thank God is lightening quick reflexes saved the day from that menacing yoga teacher.

The best policing is done when you assume every citizen isn't law bidding person but a criminal who hasn't started their life of crime yet.