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"Oh yes, it's old Earth custom to do it in here. For round 2, do you prefer Constance Goodheart or Queen Arachnia?"
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Harry Kim was literally the canary for Voyager. They only kept him around because when he died, then you knew to be concerned.
Thankfully they could usually pick up a new one before the episode was done.
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iirc Fraiser used a real call screening program on that (even then) old computer in the studio.
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Apparently cops love Hot Fuzz. Granted, it's a great movie anyways.
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Richard Herd, Admiral Paris, died today:
Strange, considering how much we are talking about Paris lately.
Strange, considering how much we are talking about Paris lately.
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Tom Paris was such a great guy. Why I'll bet you a weeks worth of replicator rations that when he made that hologram of Tuvok's wife to help him get through his pon farr he was nice enough to put her through a few test runs first, just to make sure it was safe for his good buddy Tuvok!
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I'm amused at how he's not even the original Harry Kim at the end, having died to a decompressing corridor and being replaced by the crew of a now dead quantum clone. Man, you can't make that shit up.
Harry Kim is the O'Brien of Voyager, the character that is routinely made to suffer the most. The "Let's shit on O'Brien" episodes of DS9 were such sadistic episode. And him too, the original O'Brien died from chronitron poisoning in the future!
Also have to chime in about Seven, when she was announced I thought oh boy, they're just gonna throw some bimbo in there so imagine my surprise when her character turned out to be amazing written and her performance elevated it to easily to pretty much any fan's top three character I'd wager.
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The episode where he was sentenced to 20 years in a virtual prison where the simulation basically set up a situation where he killed his cellmate out of desperation was heartwrenching. Seeing O'Brien so mentally broken that he snaps and almost hits his own daughter, then plans to take his own life in a cargo bay was hard to watch.
But goddamn that was a good episode. It really makes you think "Where is the line between reasonable punishment and outright sadistic torture."
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Zaryiu
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I'd rather rewatch V over any movie past VI (well the scenes related to getting up to going to warp and first contact were neat so there is that exception partly for FC), yes it has problems and is cheesier than a cheese fondue but it had heart and a soul unlike those after VI
Edit: Well maybe VII and First Contact, flawed but still had moments where I cared but Nemesis was the only one that I was impatient to see it end already because it is that bad
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Nemesis had potential in the beginning but wound up pissing it away fast.
Troi was the yet again rape magnet like she was more than once in the show, Data was essentially getting another attempt at dying that had no gravitas whatsoever because Brent Spiner so obviously wanted to end his time on the franchise before he was too ancient to be plausible. The Evil Plan of the villains was so telegraphed it was beyond cliche, and the fight scenes were hackneyed Wrath of Khan ripoff material with none of the charm.
About the only thing Nemesis did that was interesting was explain what Remans were and why we saw so little of them up until then, they were basically Romulan stand-ins for the Morlocks and filled the same role in a sci-fi context. And even then Shinzon stole the spotlight and was a boring waste of the idea of Picard clone.
I was just grateful it finally put an end to the franchise movies for awhile and have disregarded anything afterwards as apocryphal at best.
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Hey I need help, which books should I avoid? I'm open to pretty much anything as long as it isn't grimdark and edgy like the post-reboot mentioned earlier
I'm sailing the high seas if you know what I mean and i'm building a collection of Star Trek Stuff like books, tv series pre-JJ and comics alongside the movies but I'm not sure what is worth reading and what isn't[/SyPOILER]
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I don't know how interested people are in the continuing thoughts of someone new to Star Trek, but I've now nearly finished Enterprise. Two episodes to go, just finished Through a Mirror Darkly.
That was really, really good. I probably miss a few references as I don't know the Defiant or if it appeared in TOS, but you never knew where this story was going and it threw in some great pieces - I know the Gorn is something from TOS for example. All the cast were great.
Also, Evil Hoshi and Collaborator T'pol are waaaay hotter than their Light Universe counterparts.
I like Michelle Yeoh a lot but with Discovery they really, really missed an opportunity to cast Linda Park as the Empress. The Light Universe is slightly ahead in time over the Dark was the impression I got (unconfirmed) and the actress is 42 now? So she'd have been the right age and it would be a fantastic callback.
That was really, really good. I probably miss a few references as I don't know the Defiant or if it appeared in TOS, but you never knew where this story was going and it threw in some great pieces - I know the Gorn is something from TOS for example. All the cast were great.
Also, Evil Hoshi and Collaborator T'pol are waaaay hotter than their Light Universe counterparts.
I like Michelle Yeoh a lot but with Discovery they really, really missed an opportunity to cast Linda Park as the Empress. The Light Universe is slightly ahead in time over the Dark was the impression I got (unconfirmed) and the actress is 42 now? So she'd have been the right age and it would be a fantastic callback.
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Skip the series finale. Seriously, it's that bad.
Meriasek
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Seven was certainly meant as a tittilating character, but the writing was surprisingly good in the end. Over the run of the show, the Seven episodes and the Doctor episodes were the best.
That episode was seriously great. O'Brien as the everyman of the show had to suffer a lot, but that one takes the cake. Manly tears were shed.
Voyager also had some great episodes that hit really hard. Course: Oblivion and Mortal Coil in particular.
/edit: Heh, I just read that for Mortal Coil they initially wanted to have Samantha Wildman being resurrected, and have her be more like a zombie, more connected to death than to life, and finally wanting to kill and resurrect Naomi Wildman to get closer to her again. Now that would have been a dark episode.
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Anyone who likes Seven’s character should really avoid Picard, fair warning.
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Everyone should avoid Picard, tbqh
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There's a collection of "Star Trek Lit" I've seen posted on 4chan.
Essentially these are the authors you should read:
Diane Duane (read Rihannsu trilogy, read Dark Mirror, read Spock's World)
David Gerrold (he wrote mostly the nonfiction, The Galactic Whirlpool was good, so was his "novelization" of Encounter at Farpoint)
Peter David (yes he wrote New Frontiers, which ... isn't bad, but at the very least read Imzadi and I, Q)
Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens (the Shatnerverse is pulp)
Duane and the Reeves-Stevens were going to be yuge influences on Enterprise for the Romulan War arc that... never happened, and it would have been more interesting if the whole series was just building up to that instead of the Temporal Cold War bullshit. David and Gerrold were both influences on ST TNG. Jeri Taylor wrote a few books but... probably best to avoid those. Gerrold was obviously a writer for TOS and helped to write the TNG series bible, until Maurice Hurley decided to shove his jackass nose into all of it.
There are a lot of other ones that are good. You should definitely read Harlan Ellison's The City On The Edge Of Forever, for example, and I found the FASA RPG modules interesting. The Autobiography of James T Kirk is a good one too, as is Star Trek Federation: The First 150 Years. James Blish (yes, THAT Blish) adapted most of the episodes into mass market paperbacks as well as wrote a great TOS novel, "Spock Must Die!"
I of course defer to others who have better opinions than I do, I'm just a shitposter on a New Zealand bird raising forum.
edit: mixed up blish and duane, I deserve the agony booth for that
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I mean I've read a lot of books, but there are just SOOOOOOO many out there. At least at the time, I don't think you could find any grimdark stuff. I don't recall hating any books, the most I can say is that some were just forgettable. Heck quite a few books are novelizations of episodes so you know those aren't grimdark.
I do know for a long time if you looked at the books, there were "numbered" and "unnumbered" ones on the shelves. I believe that was to distinguish between those in a paperback line and those who were released in hardcover first. In my experience, the "numbered" books are going to be very middle of the road, very bland. The "unnumbered" ones were usually the higher quality.
HOWEVER I got out of Trek books apparently right when the continuity project started. It seems @The Gagh Whisperer is far more knowledgeable out those so I invoke his name to see if he can answer your questions there. At least from what I can tell, it looks like if the book is supposed to take place AFTER a series has ended, then you may want to avoid it.
TL;DR - Anything published before 2000 you're good on avoiding grimdark. I cannot vouch much for what was published after 2000.
But definitely get the Trek 5 novelization. That's a trip.
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So on a lark I started looking at memory beta again on the novels and got sucked into the talk about the final borg war...
Look at this straight from the wiki:
Fucking ELVES! They invented literal elves with fucking MAGIC into Star Trek to "solve" the final arc of the Borg story.
No no, I want you all to see this insanity.
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I'm disappointed I've yet to find many complaints about this. Apparently most online are praising these books.
I'm also surprised moviebob hasn't created a Caeliar shrine in his basement.
Look at this straight from the wiki:
Caeliar evolved past the need for sleep, and spend their entire lives in search of artistic and scientific gains, including the Great Work.
The Caeliar have no need for farming, agriculture, animal husbandry, or economics, due to their needs being met via manipulation of catoms. Additionally, the Caeliar have a great respect for all life, and will seek to not be the cause of loss of life; this philosophy goes so far as to not eat meat or eggs or allow their guests to do so. Due to this, they will not euthanize living beings, but are willing to apply pain suppression techniques to allow the being to die peacefully.
The Caeliar species lives in absolute seclusion, masking their power signatures and obstructing scans of their world, remaining beyond detection and interaction with other species. If they are ever discovered, they merely shift the beings through space-time to a distant area. Caeliar seek to preserve and protect sentient life at all costs, including at the sacrifice of their own lives.
. . .
In 2381, the Caeliar were forced to come out of their self-imposed exile upon being confronted with the truth that they were indirectly responsible for the creation of the Borg. In order to end the threat the Borg posed to the Galaxy, the Caeliar Gestalt deposed the Borg Queen and dissolved the Borg Collective, offering the trillions of newly freed drones the opportunity to join them in their great work.
Whilst the vast majority of former drones accepted, some chose not to do so. These former drones were granted their freedom and Caeliar Catoms replaced their Borg implants, restoring their original appearances and identities.
A side effect of the transformation of Borg Nanoprobes into Caeliar Catoms was that on planets which had formerly hosted Borg Technology, when the Catoms broke down it resulted in regeneration of the planets' biospheres.
The Caeliar have no need for farming, agriculture, animal husbandry, or economics, due to their needs being met via manipulation of catoms. Additionally, the Caeliar have a great respect for all life, and will seek to not be the cause of loss of life; this philosophy goes so far as to not eat meat or eggs or allow their guests to do so. Due to this, they will not euthanize living beings, but are willing to apply pain suppression techniques to allow the being to die peacefully.
The Caeliar species lives in absolute seclusion, masking their power signatures and obstructing scans of their world, remaining beyond detection and interaction with other species. If they are ever discovered, they merely shift the beings through space-time to a distant area. Caeliar seek to preserve and protect sentient life at all costs, including at the sacrifice of their own lives.
. . .
In 2381, the Caeliar were forced to come out of their self-imposed exile upon being confronted with the truth that they were indirectly responsible for the creation of the Borg. In order to end the threat the Borg posed to the Galaxy, the Caeliar Gestalt deposed the Borg Queen and dissolved the Borg Collective, offering the trillions of newly freed drones the opportunity to join them in their great work.
Whilst the vast majority of former drones accepted, some chose not to do so. These former drones were granted their freedom and Caeliar Catoms replaced their Borg implants, restoring their original appearances and identities.
A side effect of the transformation of Borg Nanoprobes into Caeliar Catoms was that on planets which had formerly hosted Borg Technology, when the Catoms broke down it resulted in regeneration of the planets' biospheres.
Fucking ELVES! They invented literal elves with fucking MAGIC into Star Trek to "solve" the final arc of the Borg story.
No no, I want you all to see this insanity.
Catom
Catoms, or claytronic atoms, are also referred to as'programmable matter'. Catoms are described as being similar in nature to a nanomachine, but with greater power and complexity. While microscopic individually, they bond and work together on a larger scale. Catoms can change their density...
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Catoms, or claytronic atoms, are also referred to as 'programmable matter'. Catoms are described as being similar in nature to a nanomachine, but with greater power and complexity. While microscopic individually, they bond and work together on a larger scale. Catoms can change their density, energy levels, state of being, and other characteristics using thought alone.
I'm disappointed I've yet to find many complaints about this. Apparently most online are praising these books.
I'm also surprised moviebob hasn't created a Caeliar shrine in his basement.