Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Chester Rigby]

Also, Karl Urban is an underrated actor and deserves way more than he's getting.

Heard he's doing fine in The Boys.

 

[Reverend]

What I really feel Trek needs now, is not an action movie. But, something that elicits a sense of awe...

and hope.

i watched Star Trek: TMP and it is by far my favorite movie among them all. As a tech nerd this movie hits all the buttons for me:
1. AI
2. Coming of Age
3. Overpowering god like entity but flawed
4. Scotty Engineering Math

I know this was supposed to be 2 or 3 episodes crammed into a movie and I'm glad they made the movie instead. Each of the characters from Kirk to Decker to V'ger had a character arc of some sort, rose and fell, and you could relate to them on many levels. Everyone was scrambling to get shit done and no one had time to do anything besides succeed. Didn't matter the race, creed, color, ethnicity, everyone was there for starfleet and to protect Earth regardless of what their home planet was. They knew if Earth fell they were next. I got a sense of Pride and Accomplishment (thanks EA) by watching that movie and comparing it to ST seeing that everyone in ST was basically hired on the fact they checked a box rather than being damn good at their job. You have a drug addled star fleet officer, a borg reject, a dismissed captain, and then Admiral Emasculation himself all there to show how good certain individuals are because they have/dont have something between their legs and their skin color is not White.

In the 25th century no one gives a flying warp coil about race or sex in the federation (*isms exist yes but not at the SJW level) and swearing is gone as well (I dig that really). People have bigger things to worry about, to do, to live their life, one color is the same as the next, male or female it's all about HUMANITY succeeding in the bigger picture. If anything people who want to self-identify as a pansexual andorian/klingon hybrid can go right about doing it, oh you caused a fire in the transporter room again? You are fired.

There's a clear line in letting people be people but hold said people to be accountable to their duties. This is where SJW's don't understand Star Trek as they pin ST=StarFleet so therefore the entire universe is full of *ists and *phobes even though I'll bet that any current writing of SF has 0 info in there about rules for diversity hires.

The SJW writers ignore races such as vulcan's, cardassians, klingons, romulans who all have gender equality, again because the galaxy is big and we need people to fill it before someone else does, and are past these base concepts. Their societies as written dictate there is more in this giant dust ball to do than worry about sexuality because everyone is trying to destroy their way of life. Literally.

Hope is what most of the TV Shows and TOS movies gave us, that we as a fledgling race and federation are small but powerful, and if we continue to succeed where others have failed we can provide hope for the next generation and the one after that of a better, prosperous, and successful life. We are a flawed species but working together and with others regardless of sexual identity, gender, politics, creed, color, etc. humanity as a whole moves succeeds.

 

[polyester]

So, I started watching Voyager while I work (don't tell my boss).
I'm at episode 8, and so far it's kinda bad.

Neelix is just annoying (and a bit creepy in trying to play both daddy and boyfriend to Kes).

Chakotay is even worse. In the first episode, he immediately cucks to Star Fleet. That set-up with the two hostile ships stranded together far from home, could have turned into a whole interesting story arc about slowly learning to stop fighting each other and integrating into one crew that combines aspects of both Star Fleet and the Maquis. But nope, Chakotay simply decides on the spot that they're all run-of-the-mill Star Fleet now, and that's that, end of story arc.
And then he packs out his spirit fetishes and teaches Janeway about her "animal guide"... just cringe.
And then he decides that only eye sight, not even passive tricorder scans, may be used to inspect some mummified alien corpses, just on the off chance that their culture may find it disrespectful to be scanned. Cringe.

The only really good character is the doctor; I enjoy most of the scenes he's in.

Does it get better, overall?

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

So, I started watching Voyager while I work (don't tell my boss).
I'm at episode 8, and so far it's kinda bad.

Neelix is just annoying (and a bit creepy in trying to play both daddy and boyfriend to Kes).

Chakotay is even worse. In the first episode, he immediately cucks to Star Fleet. That set-up with the two hostile ships stranded together far from home, could have turned into a whole interesting story arc about slowly learning to stop fighting each other and integrating into one crew that combines aspects of both Star Fleet and the Maquis. But nope, Chakotay simply decides on the spot that they're all run-of-the-mill Star Fleet now, and that's that, end of story arc.
And then he packs out his spirit fetishes and teaches Janeway about her "animal guide"... just cringe.
And then he decides that only eye sight, not even passive tricorder scans, may be used to inspect some mummified alien corpses, just on the off chance that their culture may find it disrespectful to be scanned. Cringe.

The only really good character is the doctor; I enjoy most of the scenes he's in.

Does it get better, overall?

I'm not sure if I'm going against the grain here, but I actually like Voyager. It follows the same path that every single other Star Trek does in that the first two seasons are awkward shit while the writers and actors all struggle to get on the same page.

I'd argue that TNG's first couple seasons had some real clunkers, DS9 was pretty dull and the first season of Enterprise was equally bad as Voyager's. Maybe season 3 of Discovery will follow the same trajectory? hahaha disregard that, I suck cocks

 

[XYZpdq]

So, I started watching Voyager while I work (don't tell my boss).
I'm at episode 8, and so far it's kinda bad.

Neelix is just annoying (and a bit creepy in trying to play both daddy and boyfriend to Kes).

Chakotay is even worse. In the first episode, he immediately cucks to Star Fleet. That set-up with the two hostile ships stranded together far from home, could have turned into a whole interesting story arc about slowly learning to stop fighting each other and integrating into one crew that combines aspects of both Star Fleet and the Maquis. But nope, Chakotay simply decides on the spot that they're all run-of-the-mill Star Fleet now, and that's that, end of story arc.
And then he packs out his spirit fetishes and teaches Janeway about her "animal guide"... just cringe.
And then he decides that only eye sight, not even passive tricorder scans, may be used to inspect some mummified alien corpses, just on the off chance that their culture may find it disrespectful to be scanned. Cringe.

The only really good character is the doctor; I enjoy most of the scenes he's in.

Does it get better, overall?

ehh
there's some points it picks up
but yeah Chiplotle was written with advice by some guy who scammed his way around pretending to be an indian so it has a lot of "many moons ago, Buffalo and Elk rerouted the positron flow"
Many time Voyager is good to laugh at, sometimes it's actually an okay pile of Star Trek

 

[mindlessobserver]

So, I started watching Voyager while I work (don't tell my boss).
I'm at episode 8, and so far it's kinda bad.

Neelix is just annoying (and a bit creepy in trying to play both daddy and boyfriend to Kes).

Chakotay is even worse. In the first episode, he immediately cucks to Star Fleet. That set-up with the two hostile ships stranded together far from home, could have turned into a whole interesting story arc about slowly learning to stop fighting each other and integrating into one crew that combines aspects of both Star Fleet and the Maquis. But nope, Chakotay simply decides on the spot that they're all run-of-the-mill Star Fleet now, and that's that, end of story arc.
And then he packs out his spirit fetishes and teaches Janeway about her "animal guide"... just cringe.
And then he decides that only eye sight, not even passive tricorder scans, may be used to inspect some mummified alien corpses, just on the off chance that their culture may find it disrespectful to be scanned. Cringe.

The only really good character is the doctor; I enjoy most of the scenes he's in.

Does it get better, overall?

It does. The first season was pretty bad but they find their stride eventually in season 2. The Borg arc is really good in later seasons. There is a reason 7 of 9 is a fan favorite...up until she becomes a psychopathic lesbian in Picard. But that is Apocrypha.

 

[Overly Serious]

So, I started watching Voyager while I work (don't tell my boss).
I'm at episode 8, and so far it's kinda bad.

Neelix is just annoying (and a bit creepy in trying to play both daddy and boyfriend to Kes).

Chakotay is even worse. In the first episode, he immediately cucks to Star Fleet. That set-up with the two hostile ships stranded together far from home, could have turned into a whole interesting story arc about slowly learning to stop fighting each other and integrating into one crew that combines aspects of both Star Fleet and the Maquis. But nope, Chakotay simply decides on the spot that they're all run-of-the-mill Star Fleet now, and that's that, end of story arc.
And then he packs out his spirit fetishes and teaches Janeway about her "animal guide"... just cringe.
And then he decides that only eye sight, not even passive tricorder scans, may be used to inspect some mummified alien corpses, just on the off chance that their culture may find it disrespectful to be scanned. Cringe.

The only really good character is the doctor; I enjoy most of the scenes he's in.

Does it get better, overall?

I only started watching Star Trek recently. Had seen some movies and a (very) little bit of TNG and TOS. I started with Voyager. But I began at the end of Season 3 and don't regret it - the two-parter where Seven of Nine is introduced. She's really good - whilst obviously striking in her looks she's great as a character too. I'm unlikely to ever go back and watch the earlier episodes.

Now onto what I came to this thread to say: I'm now into Season 4 of Enterprise. It's surprisingly become pretty good stuff. But did I just watch a two-parter where they rationalise in-universe, the dodgy make-up on TOS Klingons? Because if so that is amazing and I can't believe they did that! It even makes sense in-universe!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

ehh
there's some points it picks up
but yeah Chiplotle was written with advice by some guy who scammed his way around pretending to be an indian so it has a lot of "many moons ago, Buffalo and Elk rerouted the positron flow"
Many time Voyager is good to laugh at, sometimes it's actually an okay pile of Star Trek

He's a thousand times better than the poorly written Tom Paris. Every Voyager episode that focuses on him is terrible, especially those which feature his Captain Proton nostalgia holodeck nonsense.

 

[XYZpdq]

He's a thousand times better than the poorly written Tom Paris. Every Voyager episode that focuses on him is terrible, especially those which feature his Captain Proton nostalgia holodeck nonsense.

I like Tom Paris- Nostalgiafag
also the time he had to get a driver's license was funny

 

[Cyril Sneer]

I like Tom Paris- Nostalgiafag
also the time he had to get a driver's license was funny

I concur, but Tom would have been a better character if they had just straight-up made him Nick Locarno rather than a suspiciously similar substitute.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I like Tom Paris- Nostalgiafag
also the time he had to get a driver's license was funny

They tried to make him Top Gun/Tom Cruise in Star Trek but it comes off as cringe as its poorly done. Only boomers who grew up in the 50s get all those Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers references.

Even TOS didn't go there. You can still watch the episodes as the only thing dated about them are the special effects.

 

[XYZpdq]

I concur, but Tom would have been a better character if they had just straight-up made him Nick Locarno rather than a suspiciously similar substitute.

I respect that idea but never gave enough fucks about Nick to care personally.

 

[Flexo]

He's a thousand times better than the poorly written Tom Paris. Every Voyager episode that focuses on him is terrible, especially those which feature his Captain Proton nostalgia holodeck nonsense.

I have to disagree. Captain Proton is amazing and would have made a more entertaining Star Trek spin off than Discovery or Picard.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I have to disagree. Captain Proton is amazing and would have made a more entertaining Star Trek spin off than Discovery or Picard.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It wasn't credible someone hundreds of years in the future living and piloting a spaceship in the far reaches of outer space had a nostalgia fetish for bad and campy SciFi serials.

 

[Flexo]

We'll have to agree to disagree. It wasn't credible someone hundreds of years in the future living and piloting a spaceship in the far reaches of outer space had a nostalgia fetish for bad and campy SciFi serials.

That's like saying that because we can drive cars and fly planes, nobody today would be into steampunk.

Well......

Humans have strange tastes. I'm just grateful they didn't give Paris a furry fetish (even though he was literally an otherkin once).

 

[GethN7]

We'll have to agree to disagree. It wasn't credible someone hundreds of years in the future living and piloting a spaceship in the far reaches of outer space had a nostalgia fetish for bad and campy SciFi serials.

Actually, that's quite credible. You live in a world where there is a bunch of things that were considered science fiction, but you know them in a more grounded form. As a result, when you realize people a few hundred years back imagined the same future, only they has a much cheesier and silly view of the world you live in, it is not beyond the realm of reason you might be intensely amused at the naivety of your ancestors to the point you become a bemused fan because it's, in your eyes, a tongue firmly in cheek thing to enjoy.

 

[BScCollateral]

As a rule, my impression is that people with [Job X] hate media about [Job X] and generally name comedies about [Job X] as the "most realistic depiction."

Still, it's hardly a law of physics.

 

[Flexo]

As a rule, my impression is that people with [Job X] hate media about [Job X] and generally name comedies about [Job X] as the "most realistic depiction."

Still, it's hardly a law of physics.

That's actually true. Heard it about Scrubs. IT Crowd is definitely more accurate to IT than any crime drama. "The Good Guys" is probably the most accurate cop show ever filmed (only 1 season ). Is the only court comedy Night Court? That one is...

Ok let's be honest, courts in fiction are so off, Night Court only "wins" by accuracy because everyone else has forfeited.

(Also over the top comedies don't count - like Police Squad.)

 

[Cyril Sneer]

That's actually true. Heard it about Scrubs. IT Crowd is definitely more accurate to IT than any crime drama. "The Good Guys" is probably the most accurate cop show ever filmed (only 1 season ). Is the only court comedy Night Court? That one is...

Ok let's be honest, courts in fiction are so off, Night Court only "wins" by accuracy because everyone else has forfeited.

(Also over the top comedies don't count - like Police Squad.)

"Barney Miller" is supposed to be the all-time gold standard for realistic depictions of day-to-day police work.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So, I started watching Voyager while I work (don't tell my boss).
I'm at episode 8, and so far it's kinda bad.

Neelix is just annoying (and a bit creepy in trying to play both daddy and boyfriend to Kes).

Chakotay is even worse. In the first episode, he immediately cucks to Star Fleet. That set-up with the two hostile ships stranded together far from home, could have turned into a whole interesting story arc about slowly learning to stop fighting each other and integrating into one crew that combines aspects of both Star Fleet and the Maquis. But nope, Chakotay simply decides on the spot that they're all run-of-the-mill Star Fleet now, and that's that, end of story arc.
And then he packs out his spirit fetishes and teaches Janeway about her "animal guide"... just cringe.
And then he decides that only eye sight, not even passive tricorder scans, may be used to inspect some mummified alien corpses, just on the off chance that their culture may find it disrespectful to be scanned. Cringe.

The only really good character is the doctor; I enjoy most of the scenes he's in.

Does it get better, overall?

The Doctor is a great character and has a really good arc throughout. If you like him, I’d say it’s worth watching for that.