Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

Fucking beautiful.

My quick thoughts:

Ethan's right about the class system. What he isn't talking about is the fact that he and WC worked hard to create the class system that exists. What he gets right is that these class systems always develop in human societies. First they are created by merit. The strongest hunters eat the lions share after all. But eventually they always degenerate into corrupt class systems like France before the Revolution. People with less will always resent people with more even if they are helped by those with more. Ethan helped some but he also held others back or worse.

Ethan is the hunter. He built something big on the merits of his ability to self promote and to a lesser degree on his artistic merit.

Ethan is also Louis the 16th he used every resource in his grasp (especially WarCampaign) to secure his power. WC promotes for him, intimidates for him, exiles others for him, propagandizes, distracts, lies and runs ops all for him so he can retain his grasp. But WC also wants "their share" as they see it.

The irony is that Ethan's powers of self promotion were never rivaled (the only one who came remotely close was TenNaple and he's a very distant second) and he's never needed WC.

There are peasants in CG without doubt. There are also lords like Cecil, Malin and Ro. It's usually feuds between lords like this one that lead to the war that ends the King's reign.

Let's hope this one works out like the French revolution with no king to follow and plenty of deserving heads rolling off the stage.

I don't know if the French Revolution led to the birth of communism. It obviously played a roll. But the class warfare going on in CG right now strongly reflects the French Revolutionary sentiments as well as those that fomented the Marxist conflicts of the 19th and 20th century.

Anyway, Ethan made a fool of Pan, as one would expect, but he also made tactical errors. He did shit he can't walk back easily and Pan isn't the enemy he has to worry about.

"Receipts and transcripts motherfuckers!!!!!!!" - Ro Kabir Khumar

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He's right. But its not so much class as failures looking to make their dreams come true and seeing this as a chance even though they just don't have the talent.

Calling the group of guys like Frog CG is a misnomer. It was a bubble that he got into thanks to Richard. But Richard was in on the ground floor with the comic gate controversy. He got in after the initial fire and so did Malin, Miller, and Tennaple.
True.
But EVS (and Mitch and Malin and Donal and Kelsey) brought legitimacy to CG, as big two creators who joined The Cause. Much of EVS's clout in FM comes from him being a famous comicbook artist with a big following calling out TLJ.
Them, and RCM, even without CG, they have a track record of successful properties and talent.

Some new talent working with them took the opportunity and funded their comics. The Liams, the Micah's and the TUGs will have a problem without EVS, not the other way around.
 
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So how long do you figure it will be till War Campaign joins Comicsgate (TM) to annihilate CG?
Well, well, well....

Looks like 'ol Dan Shahin has some interesting guests on tonight. It's not just Liam that's cottoned on to the fact that drama and trolling gets eyes on your channel...

Liberty Brigade Live with Mark Waid, Michael Finn and Mick Gray


So.. Waid will be pimping his new Indiegogo campaign (that looks like a parody of a Vox Day book) on Comic Book News with Dan Shahin later.
Shahin has been hosting industry cope streams with a chat haunted by the ghost of Richard C. Meyer, he's also expressed a neutral interest in comicgate and he's not afraid to mention them by name. He also knows they superchat...
I wonder if he's going to trigger the fuck out of Waid tonight and ask him how the lawsuits going?
Welcome back to Youtube Mark!

Didn't Waid back out last time...

Meh, Shahin has half a functioning brain cell. Anyone in the mainstream should welcome the foil and have it out. but they're morons.

True.
But EVS (and Mitch and Malin and Donal and Kelsey) brought legitimacy to CG, as big two creators who joined The Cause. Much of EVS's clout in FM comes from him being a famous comicbook artist with a big following calling out TLJ.
Them, and RCM, even without CG, they have a track record of successful properties and talent.

Some new talent working with them took the opportunity and funded their comics. The Liams, the Micah's and the TUGs will have a problem without EVS, not the other way around.

Mitch, Doug, Malin and Mike granted legitimacy, no one knew who Donal or Kelsey were really. But that assumes Frog's audience doesn't overlap Richard's or the part of the FM that follows him still isn't loosely attached to the post gate crowd. Richard gave Frog access thru cred he didn't earn. He wasn't a brawler until Jawbreakers Lost Souls. Then he stopped fence sitting. Theres a reason people in industry hate him less than Richard though.
 
Some new talent working with them took the opportunity and funded their comics. The Liams, the Micah's and the TUGs will have a problem without EVS, not the other way around.

Does anyone doubt that Ro has dirt on Liam, Micah and TUG?

"Receipts and transcripts"

They all need Ethan but they also all need WarCampaign to be nice to them and keep the DM's private.

Watch the expressions on the faces of Liam and Micah toward the end of Micah's stream. They aren't sad because CG is in chaos. They're sad because they're fucked no matter which direction they go.

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Does anyone doubt that Ro has dirt on Liam, Micah and TUG?

"Receipts and transcripts"

They all need Ethan but they also all need WarCampaign to be nice to them and keep the DM's private.

Watch the expressions on the faces of Liam and Micah toward the end of Micah's stream. They aren't sad because CG is in chaos. They're sad because they're fucked no matter which direction they go.

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All those gay-ops for nothing. They realize how badly they were used with virtually nothing to show for it.
 
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And yet, this newfound knowledge that gay ops are both a waste of energy and a time bomb? Going to be forgotten because these retarded motherfuckers will always go "I learned my lesson, so this time it will work!"

It's like Wil E. Coyote and the Roadrunner, but with emotional teenagers online.
 
They could always dig up some old ones? Tim Lim, Capn Cummings, JDA, Vox Day, Sashi, Nerkish, Mindy Wheeler, Doug TenNapel, Mike S Miller, Edwin, Preston?

There's quite a list to choose from, I'm sure I've forgotten a dozen.
It won't matter. The new villian is WarCampaign now and nothing is going to distract from that.

Is the stream worth watching Mister Dongs?
You could say that. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! But skip to the end when Pan comes on and helps make CG even less stable.

I've always seen Zack as John the Bapist and E as our Lord and saviour
Ethan is definitely the Christ figure. If RCM ever was he's long since been usurped in the hearts and minds of the faithful.

I just watched Pan's fairwell speech on the EVS Stream. I don't think I've ever seen so much mutual hatred concealled behind pleasentries.
So fucking beautiful to watch these two talking to each other for real or at least with a major slip of their masks.

The dismantling of War Campaign should have happened sooner.
It's not over yet. There are plenty of cards left to play I think.

I disagree. Frog is finally telling these people the truth. Some of them are just not good enough and will fail. If EVS can finally rid CG of the WC cancer it might have legs.
EVS is WC. He's also CG. He can't get rid of himself. He can rid himself of those guys but he'll simply replace them with new scumbags. He's like an alcoholic. He'll be home with a 3/4 empty fifth of vodka before he even realizes he went to the liquor store.

Are there 12 step programs for narcissistic personality disorder?
So Ethan is FINALLY waking up that wc is a shit starter.
He's been awake the whole time. He's just starting to see the consequences.

What's more likely, that after multiple years of denying and even denying everything just a couple days ago Froggot finally took everything people said about WC to heart (and absolutely everything in one go) OR that Praetorian video timed with Cecil/Mailin/WC feud caused a system crash and now he's trying to do his autistic backpedaling to save face?
The latter.

It has a subscriber count and personal relationships. Both offer more opportunities. WC (with or without EVS) probably wanted to establish a class system
They succeeded. This is a breakdown of that system.

At least we finally get to see what Ro has on Frog!
#WhatDoesRoHaveOnEthan

What really struck me in that stream were how neither Pan or Testefy would accept fault for anything whatsoever. Everything that has happened was either someone else's fault, someone else started it, everyone else didn't get the joke, words somehow mean something different on their planet, etc. The only thing for certain is that they are completely blameless in all things. Those two are stupid enough to believe they're the smartest people ever and everyone else is dumb. It was staggering.
Ro and Ethan trained conditioned WC trolls to operate in this fashion. They all do it including Ro and Ethan. Some just do it more convincingly than others.

So how long do you figure it will be till War Campaign joins Comicsgate (TM) to annihilate CG?
WarCampaign is the reason ComicsGate(TM) exists. There won't be an alliance there.
 
I just finished the snore stream with Frog, Boring as he mostly spends the first half crowing about making more money off his years of riding Geoff Johns coatails.

The interesting stuff is at the 1 hr. Some crazy hypocrisy. WC sucks, but really? When you guys spent all this time saying twitter doesn't matter, that tweets aren't harassment and hot dogs stands. Really? Now it's harassment when it happens to Cecil.

And another thing. What's this fairness business. I know Frog's spent his entire life drawing funny books and hasn't had genuine service industry experience. But customers are rarely fair. They can be entitled, abusive, and will take things out on you that are not your fault. If your in a bad business your required to take it quietly. But if you have a good employer they draw the line at abusive. You take the customers complaint, apologize for any offense and then respectfully leave it at that. You do not ever, under any circumstances, argue with them. It accomplishes nothing!
 
I just finished the snore stream with Frog, Boring as he mostly spends the first half crowing about making more money off his years of riding Geoff Johns coatails.

That was necessary to establish that his decision to Spurge WC was purely business. It was just a financial decision, see! You can tell from the jump that his heart wasn't in the money-dance but he had to to make the rest believable.

The ultimate act of betrayal will come in a week or so when they all "make up" and pretend like the past month never happened. I give that a 50/50 chance still.


EDIT: Yep, the WC implosion isn't going to take nearly as long as I thought. The replies to this are already calling him a huge hypocrite

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The interesting stuff is at the 1 hr. Some crazy hypocrisy. WC sucks, but really? When you guys spent all this time saying twitter doesn't matter, that tweets aren't harassment and hot dogs stands. Really? Now it's harassment when it happens to Cecil.

There's the potential for massive unseen blow-back from this. EVS, on stream, has just confirmed that WC, and by extension Pan, have been guilty of exactly what he's facing prosecution for. That's something Pan could well have done without, and something that will be hard for EVS to walk back if there is a later attempt at reconciliation.
 
There's the potential for massive unseen blow-back from this. EVS, on stream, has just confirmed that WC, and by extension Pan, have been guilty of exactly what he's facing prosecution for. That's something Pan could well have done without, and something that will be hard for EVS to walk back if there is a later attempt at reconciliation.

He's also accused Pan and Ro of pretty much everything he spent the last year telling his viewers they didn't do.

It's a tight spot.
 
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Richard gave Frog access thru cred he didn't earn. He wasn't a brawler until Jawbreakers Lost Souls. Then he stopped fence sitting. Theres a reason people in industry hate him less than Richard though.
Dude, Richard was enemy #1 back in 2017. He was the terror of the comicbook industry and some pros got cancelled for saying that he may have some points. He has churched it up because of the lawsuit, but back then he was a holy terror.
 
He's also accused Pan and Ro of pretty much everything he spent the last year telling his viewers they didn't do.

His response will be, "I wasn't aware of evidence until Cecil provided it to me a few weeks ago."

Then he'll take no responsibility for defending them based on that response alone.
 
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His response will be, "I wasn't aware of evidence until Cecil provided it to me a few weeks ago."

Then he'll take no responsibility for defending them based on that response alone.

Really? What happens when they request Cecil's statement?
 
That was necessary to establish that his decision to Spurge WC was purely business. It was just a financial decision, see! You can tell from the jump that his heart wasn't in the money-dance but he had to to make the rest believable.

The ultimate act of betrayal will come in a week or so when they all "make up" and pretend like the past month never happened. I give that a 50/50 chance still.


EDIT: Yep, the WC implosion isn't going to take nearly as long as I thought. The replies to this are already calling him a huge hypocrite

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isn't this the same purity test they threw at darksydemike, doug tennapel and (most recently) malin? they complained a lot when they were getting trashtalked when acting like children. I guess now they understand what happens when you become a creator compared to just being on the peanut gallery.
 
Kind of a blast from the past, I guess....

Just out of curiosity, whatever happened to Nasser? Anyone know? For a while he was the Babbabooie to Van Scivers' Howard Stern. Then down the memory hole he went. I have a vague idea his autism got the the best of him and he stepped on some toes, but somehow I missed the details.
 
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