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Rick literally got cucked in the new episode.
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I really liked the planetfucker Zeus killer episode but the Jerry bashing shit has gotten to the point of self parody now. I get that it was to set off a plot point but goddamn.
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Something tells me the show would be better if Jerry never came back, IMHO. As much as people love to hate on Season 3, Jerry not being there anymore was one of the few good things about what was otherwise a universally bashed season in its entirety for me.
This very latest episode only succeeded in reaffirming why I unfortunately feel that way..... And always have since the very beginning of this show. Any other better show would've killed off (at worst) / put this guy on a bus peacefully (at best), by now, wishful thinking that it sounds here.
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Had to go for the retcon to season 1, apparently....
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It was a mild throwaway reference, but it was still pretty jarring to hear 6 years after the fact. It wasn't as bad as Rick unironically using the term "incel". IDK who the fuck in the writer's room is using him as a mouthpiece now.
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Ether Dan harmon or one of the female diversity hires.
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Dan Harmon is doing such a good job ruining his own show and everyone behind him is simply following orders to do the same, at this point.
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid
This will all end in tears, I just know it.
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The writing is getting more unhinged and vicious, Dan Harmon is either having trouble keeping his alcoholic bitterness reeled in, or the writers around him are trying to impress him through extreme imitation. I'm going with the former, because observe the dialogue in the following clip.
Notice that when Summer talks shit to Jerry, she grills him for feeling special for being congratulated over something at a young age. Now observe this timestamp I've taken from Dan Harmon's documentary. In case the timestamp doesn't work, just go to 14:09.
Dan Harmon resents being an adult.
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Pardon thy autism, but goddamnit.
I almost didn't have to watch any of that to know that Harmon has ruined himself and poisoned his staff completely with his BS (but I had to, anyway, to educate myself on where all this comes from, so thanks for that.). Especially, especially if he really thinks all this whining and crying and using a terrible character like Jerry (which he sadly is, especially when compared to other father characters under this popular trope.) as a conduit for such whining and crying makes his sad excuse of a cartoon any more deep/dark/whatever. UGH.
Looking ahead to the future with people like these in Western animation thinking they can run it like this... Yeah, not really.
I dread to think what any of his staff will come up with for shows themselves if they ever decide to branch away from this anytime soon, while also being poisoned by either creator's (especially Harmon) mindset.
All those countless anime out there or any actually good/better cartoon that eventually comes around and entertains its audience in a REAL way? Those poisoned too much by either creator's BS (especially Harmon) from working under them for too long will be BTFO by those immediately if they think working on this show is some sort of achievement, which it just isn't. Not anymore.
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I've noticed this too.
They really like to shit on Jerry now. Jerry was usually treated with some kind of dignity within his own subplots despite not really having a job since season 1, he at least had his own separate plots and adventures. Season 4 only gave us 2 purely Jerry-focused subplots thus far, when most of the seasons prior (barring 3) would give him at least 5 or 6 (hell, perhaps, every episode, if not with Beth) episode subplots where he was basically the straight man interacting in the extraterrestrial world that he doesn't know. He was a bit dimwitted, but it seemed like Jerry was more grounded, even if Beth wasn't always inclined to like Jerry. Now, Jerry's pretty much the butt monkey and Beth just...exists? I dunno, lol. It seems like they really blocked out the character dynamics that they could do with the family nowadays.
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Holy shit this was a shit episode. First thing:
Second thing, the characters aren't really even acting remotely like people anymore. Jerry is a 0 iq loser, Beth abandons her kids for a week for a pointless task, Morty again reverted to not knowing shit and Summer is just despicable.
Finally, when the episode decides to reach its point it's the same 30 year old fedora tipping anti-theism coupled with the ridiculous myth of it going against human progress because no writer has ever tried to read histoy (except one that's easily digestible in 10 minutes breaks with diagrams and clear good and bad sides). Does no one in Hollywood realize it's not 1990's anymore and shitting on religion is the norm rather than something that labels you as a part of counter-culture? And Rick goes fist fighting with god because of course he does.
This episode in particular had a literal Moviebob-tier "if we got rid of those useless people we'd be in space by now". That's both disturbing and like with Moviebob, is said by people who's benefit to humanity might very well be net sum negative.
Second thing, the characters aren't really even acting remotely like people anymore. Jerry is a 0 iq loser, Beth abandons her kids for a week for a pointless task, Morty again reverted to not knowing shit and Summer is just despicable.
Finally, when the episode decides to reach its point it's the same 30 year old fedora tipping anti-theism coupled with the ridiculous myth of it going against human progress because no writer has ever tried to read histoy (except one that's easily digestible in 10 minutes breaks with diagrams and clear good and bad sides). Does no one in Hollywood realize it's not 1990's anymore and shitting on religion is the norm rather than something that labels you as a part of counter-culture? And Rick goes fist fighting with god because of course he does.
This episode in particular had a literal Moviebob-tier "if we got rid of those useless people we'd be in space by now". That's both disturbing and like with Moviebob, is said by people who's benefit to humanity might very well be net sum negative.
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid
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So I had this idea for a new R&M episode, so here goes nothing.
Morty's getting ready for School prom for his current universe since it's only ever happened in the Cronenberg universe. Jerry takes out his High School memorabilia that he keeps in the closet and pulls out a bunch of shit, including a box of condoms that he's giving to Morty as a rite of passage. Morty remarks how these ancient condoms are probably brittle and wouldn't hold anymore, but he pulls one out anyway and immediately notices the packaging is perforated at the center, which he brings to Jerry's attention. Jerry is shocked to hear it, pulls the condom over to himself and his eye starts twitching. Morty accuses Jerry of trying to mold him in his own image of being the deadbeat leech loser. Morty storms out of the room, leaving Jerry alone with his revelation, his eyelids still visibly twitching.
Jerry is horrified, and starts going through the whole box to check each condom he has and they've all been perforated. He brings it to Rick's garage and demands an apology for ever being called a predator or a parasite, when Rick demands an explanation, Jerry tosses him the box of condoms. He explains that those are from when Jerry & Beth were in High School together, and Rick counters by accusing him of having just now bought a new box of condoms to frame Beth of being a predator herself. Jerry rebukes such a ridiculous argument by challenging Rick to carbon date the condoms, because he knows a galaxy brain like Rick has that ability. Rick rebuffs by saying that even if they are that old, there's no telling just who perforated the condoms. Jerry challenges that rebuff by telling Rick to scan his memories for any instance of him pricking condoms ever at all in his life.
Rick obliges, stating that there's no point in proving what he already knows. To his own surprise, Jerry has never perforated any condoms, but he has encountered the perforated condoms in his memorabilia before, many times in fact, only for his attention to be pulled away from it by something else, like Morty showing him a finger painting the moment he finds the perforated condom, or Beth calling him for dinner, ect. Every time he discovers the perforated condoms, he unconsciously puts them back in the box and puts them back in the closet, literally memory holing them every time he finds them. Not this time, however, as Rick is also reading Jerry's thoughts during the memories, and when Jerry's memory hole response started kicking in, the voices of his family verbally abusing him come into the forefront and interrupt him from memory holing again.
Rick is himself shocked by what he's seeing, and apologizes to Jerry, and asks him what he's gonna do now that he knows. Jerry turns to ask Rick to send him to an alternate reality where there is no Beth, and where he himself is about to die so he can go and take that Jerry's place in that universe. Rick obliges his request and finds a universe where Beth is never born, the Jerry of that universe is a successful actor just like in the inter-dimensional cable episode, but that universe's Jerry is about to die from a drug overdose. Once he does, Rick and Jerry move in to dispose of the body and the narcotics & Jerry remains behind to take the dead Jerry's place as an actor.
When Rick returns from Jerry's new universe alone, he confronts Beth with the box of perforated condoms, and Beth tries to pretend she doesn't know what it is, but her facial expression slips and Rick points out that the mask just slipped, and that's all the confirmation that he needed. Beth tries to explain herself but Rick isn't having it, and he monologues about how he was always so prepared to see things from her side, that Jerry preyed on her that he never stopped to consider that his beloved, genius Beth might have actually taken advantage of reviled, moron Jerry, picking him from a crowd of other men clearly superior to him because Jerry was primed to be manipulated for not just the moment, but his whole life.
Morty is listening in on the conversation to no one's notice. Summer walks by, and in passing interest, she asks what's going on. Morty turns to tell her that Jerry just bailed on the family and why. Summer blows it off, which sends Morty into a rage where he scolds her for helping push Jerry into wanting to leave, and that constantly comparing Jerry to Rick is an unbelievably ridiculous bar to set for anybody, let alone Jerry. Summer rebuffs by pointing out that Morty's no less guilty of doing the same to Jerry, at which point Morty reflects, recedes into himself and admits that everyone was at fault in the end.
Cut to a montage of Jerry enjoying his life as an actor in the alternate reality, and have it end with him accidentally pulling a family photo from his wallet when he goes for some cash. He looks at it longingly, but stuffs it back in and returns to whatever he was doing.
Morty's getting ready for School prom for his current universe since it's only ever happened in the Cronenberg universe. Jerry takes out his High School memorabilia that he keeps in the closet and pulls out a bunch of shit, including a box of condoms that he's giving to Morty as a rite of passage. Morty remarks how these ancient condoms are probably brittle and wouldn't hold anymore, but he pulls one out anyway and immediately notices the packaging is perforated at the center, which he brings to Jerry's attention. Jerry is shocked to hear it, pulls the condom over to himself and his eye starts twitching. Morty accuses Jerry of trying to mold him in his own image of being the deadbeat leech loser. Morty storms out of the room, leaving Jerry alone with his revelation, his eyelids still visibly twitching.
Jerry is horrified, and starts going through the whole box to check each condom he has and they've all been perforated. He brings it to Rick's garage and demands an apology for ever being called a predator or a parasite, when Rick demands an explanation, Jerry tosses him the box of condoms. He explains that those are from when Jerry & Beth were in High School together, and Rick counters by accusing him of having just now bought a new box of condoms to frame Beth of being a predator herself. Jerry rebukes such a ridiculous argument by challenging Rick to carbon date the condoms, because he knows a galaxy brain like Rick has that ability. Rick rebuffs by saying that even if they are that old, there's no telling just who perforated the condoms. Jerry challenges that rebuff by telling Rick to scan his memories for any instance of him pricking condoms ever at all in his life.
Rick obliges, stating that there's no point in proving what he already knows. To his own surprise, Jerry has never perforated any condoms, but he has encountered the perforated condoms in his memorabilia before, many times in fact, only for his attention to be pulled away from it by something else, like Morty showing him a finger painting the moment he finds the perforated condom, or Beth calling him for dinner, ect. Every time he discovers the perforated condoms, he unconsciously puts them back in the box and puts them back in the closet, literally memory holing them every time he finds them. Not this time, however, as Rick is also reading Jerry's thoughts during the memories, and when Jerry's memory hole response started kicking in, the voices of his family verbally abusing him come into the forefront and interrupt him from memory holing again.
Rick is himself shocked by what he's seeing, and apologizes to Jerry, and asks him what he's gonna do now that he knows. Jerry turns to ask Rick to send him to an alternate reality where there is no Beth, and where he himself is about to die so he can go and take that Jerry's place in that universe. Rick obliges his request and finds a universe where Beth is never born, the Jerry of that universe is a successful actor just like in the inter-dimensional cable episode, but that universe's Jerry is about to die from a drug overdose. Once he does, Rick and Jerry move in to dispose of the body and the narcotics & Jerry remains behind to take the dead Jerry's place as an actor.
When Rick returns from Jerry's new universe alone, he confronts Beth with the box of perforated condoms, and Beth tries to pretend she doesn't know what it is, but her facial expression slips and Rick points out that the mask just slipped, and that's all the confirmation that he needed. Beth tries to explain herself but Rick isn't having it, and he monologues about how he was always so prepared to see things from her side, that Jerry preyed on her that he never stopped to consider that his beloved, genius Beth might have actually taken advantage of reviled, moron Jerry, picking him from a crowd of other men clearly superior to him because Jerry was primed to be manipulated for not just the moment, but his whole life.
Morty is listening in on the conversation to no one's notice. Summer walks by, and in passing interest, she asks what's going on. Morty turns to tell her that Jerry just bailed on the family and why. Summer blows it off, which sends Morty into a rage where he scolds her for helping push Jerry into wanting to leave, and that constantly comparing Jerry to Rick is an unbelievably ridiculous bar to set for anybody, let alone Jerry. Summer rebuffs by pointing out that Morty's no less guilty of doing the same to Jerry, at which point Morty reflects, recedes into himself and admits that everyone was at fault in the end.
Cut to a montage of Jerry enjoying his life as an actor in the alternate reality, and have it end with him accidentally pulling a family photo from his wallet when he goes for some cash. He looks at it longingly, but stuffs it back in and returns to whatever he was doing.
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Harmon does this a lot with his material, Community pretty much devolved into over the top cartoon bullshit into roughly the same part in it's run (halfway through the third season) with the added horseshit of trying to strongarm schmaltz as "sincerity" because the show up to that point had been frequently credited for being fairly sentimental. People fall over themselves giving Harmon credit for the "heart" he gives characters but he's constantly making them one-note cartoons who aren't just Flanderized, but eventually completely different entities from where they started.
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Wait. Wasn't Rick fighting with a literal "god" a plot point two episodes ago? Rick used to be a satire of knowitall fedoratippers (making those moments when he prayed to God during personal disasters all the more funny,) but now Harmon wants to turn Rick into a mouthpiece for his own diseased brain takes. Harmon does know that living like a bitter, drunken solipsist goes a long way towards discrediting his world view and militant atheism, in the same way that The God Warrior discredits militant Christian fundamentalism, right?
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The shows biggest sin since returning is that it just isn't very funny anymore. I could stomach all the other rubbish if it was funny, but somehow Harmon managed to do it again and reduce the laughs to almost zero. It's disgraceful how he's turning what was an animated comedy phenomenon into a dogshit episodic sci-fi series full of politics, mean-spiritedness and downright hatred.
It's sickening to see a man so controlled by his vices and personal worldview that he continuously tanks his products. I unironically thought after he got BTFO with Community he'd change, but he's demonstrated he's incapable of that.
With so many episodes on order by the Network. Rick and Morty is probably going to be a walking corpse for some time. With the "high IQ" fans yelling that it's still "intellectual and funny" while people who wanted to laugh and not masturbate to references and their politics will tune it out.
Sad!
It's sickening to see a man so controlled by his vices and personal worldview that he continuously tanks his products. I unironically thought after he got BTFO with Community he'd change, but he's demonstrated he's incapable of that.
With so many episodes on order by the Network. Rick and Morty is probably going to be a walking corpse for some time. With the "high IQ" fans yelling that it's still "intellectual and funny" while people who wanted to laugh and not masturbate to references and their politics will tune it out.
Sad!
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I knew I'm not the only one who thought so. Seriously, I actually liked S3, Beth & Rick make the best team. As shown by this episode & the first half of S3. Other characters don't feel that bad either.
Until Jerry fucked it up. His very existence, ruined everything & this episode just shows it.
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And yet, people all over the internet, especially 4chan, want to defend this terrible character that is Jerry, as if he's worth something to self-insert into. It's embarrassing to know about, let alone read up on.
To be fair, this show would be a lot better if Rick hadn't been Flanderized into a Mary Sue and everyone around him called him out on his shit more, especially his family. Jerry can still leave (at best) or die (at worst) to actually improve the show's writing quality immensely, but the show still suffers from everyone being Flanderized, especially Rick.
It's not an easy fix, either - thanks to how shit Harmon is and how his writing staff especially licks his boots and begs for headpats without question so much, first and foremost, thinking any of what they're doing so far is A-OK, really.
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I'm surprised anyone defends Jerry. Like, I'm pretty sure he's SUPPOSED to be hated. Specifically 4chan (if they're unironically liking him) cause I'm pretty sure 4chan called out people like Jerry.
I feel like the older seasons called him out a bit. In fact, him surrendering in S2 does show that he took responsibility for once about his actions & how his family suffered cause of him.
About the Jerry part, see that's the thing, S3 did remove him from the Sanchez family. Beth divorced him, she actually became a fun character for a while, Jerry got a new home & a hot warrior alien GF.
Until, the 2nd half of S3 kicked in. As I said before, the 2nd part of S3 ruined everything.
Beth basically devolves as a character & Jerry gets even more pathetic considering that :
Both Jerry & his GF, basically used each other to jealous their loved ones, with Jerry physically suffering more due to being a pathetic human
When Jerry realizes that his situation is happening again, He can't even get a Deja Vu w/o the story telling him that STFU & take this Deus Ex Machina we gave you
Rick doing a favor for Jerry by killing the murderous BF of his Hot Warrior Alien EX-GF, but then literally cucks him by fucking her
I do see people saying that female writers have started the ruination. But Harmon is definitely to blame for it.
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There are fools on that place defending his shitty character, that's true. I've encountered them just for a combination of fun and self-education of what makes some of the more messed / insane parts of the fanbase outside of here tick, to be honest. Gaining an understanding from both sides of the argument- Jerry's still a terrible character, made worse by being surrounded by worse writers with issues IRL they should have gotten over long before working on this show, anyway.