U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Gehenna said:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

By refusing to allow the National guard and Police to perform their job, you could make a fairly firm if very new case that the governments of those states have failed to enforce standing law. Which would give the Federal government rights to invoke those amendments to standing law in the Insurrection act.

This WILL be challenged in the supreme court, and I wouldn't put bets on either side winning. But I can see the very clear legal argument for it. This only gets stronger if the governance was shown to have aided Antifa, since the fourteenth amendment also covers insurrection and aiding hostile parties.
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Cops as casualties would likely be seen as "collateral damage" due to rioting, but that dude killed in the pawn shop after DAYS of inaction clearly proves the Federal government would be right to step in. In my opinion. By failing to stop the riots sooner, that man was deprived of his right to life under the constitution there by denying him the protection of the law.
 
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KingCoelacanth said:
One of the craziest thing about this, to me, is that the officials who gave this cop his badge, overlooked his behavior, signed his paycheck and ultimately enabled this to happen all came out on top.
No one at all is going after the dems in city hall who are responsible for the officer and if anything, they're being rallied around.
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That always happens in these instances.
 
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A_Callow_Youth said:
This is my primary concern as well. Frankly, I would be fine with 1-3 nights of the cities being under a "GO THE FUCK TO BED OR GET SHOT" policy, assuming of course that it was VERY CLEARLY COMMUNICATED BY ALL AVAILABLE MEANS, but there's the potential that if Trump is in on some great machievellian scheme to conduct a military occupation of the US, this is the perfect time to execute it.
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I would not be. The government doesn't have the right to tell its people 'go to bed or be murdered', especially when it's telling that to people who've done literally nothing wrong. Do you really think that if people get comfortable with the idea of the government being able to dictate whether they're allowed to leave the house "for 1-3 nights" it's going to continue being about street thugs in the future? This is the same basic thrust I heard about the Coronavirus back in March, and how giving up the right to go outside or shop for nonessential things would be fine 'just this one time'. It's never just one time, and it's never okay.

heathercho said:
See, this is going to be a problem whatever happens.
You have elected officials refusing to control the situation in their cities. Purposefully refusing. They are standing down the police force, or if not that, just not deploying them.

Trump is rather hobbled on how far he can go, before going too far. He's there for the all or nothing approach.
It's up to the states and the states are purposefully and politically refusing to stop this or in the case of some, making it outright worse, See ; NY/OR.

So, Trump left to the bunker - seen as cowardice from some, but I don't think people appreciate that he's the President.
I also think people underestimate how much the paid terrorists, Antifa are after him and WOULD over throw him/kill him given the chance. There was a credible threat to his life and the SS knew that.

So, he goes away to his bunker, but he emerged in the morning with a stern message and a game plan. He declares Antifa domestic terrorists and says that if states can't handle their shit - he will.
The "Too Far" approach.

You may be against using the military on your own shores, but if Trump refuses to do anything, you'll be saying someone should do something.

You're at the "Too Far" approach now. Forced, may I add by Democrats because they know exactly what kind of message it sends. The message of Trump "using the military on its own citizens" is a leftist wet dream. It's something they have created purposefully.

He's caught between a rock and a hard place. Go there and you cannot go back. Don't go there and there will not be anywhere to go from.

So what is it you propose he do? Let chaos reign so that there is no America tomorrow? Or go "too far" and pull the pin, so to speak?
I'm sorry, but you're actually in a situation that is at that point and I don't think you're ready to accept that. This is a civil war with the far left, terrorists from the far left and black people too stupid to appreciate what they're actually doing.

Trump will dither on it, perhaps he'll wait it out to pull the pin for a few days, because it really is the last resort and it will get mildly worse before it gets better. As well, it's election year and there's people like you who feel divided and are too shocked to see the full gravity of the situation.

You elect Biden though and the "powers" you mention being used briefly on looters et all, will instead be instituted into policy by the dishonest, corrupt people who have egged on these very protests.

Trump has a terrible choice on his hands, but inaction isn't really an option now. I really don't know what you expect him to do.
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I would not, actually, think 'someone should do something'. Authoritarianism and running to big daddy government isn't just a matter of 'when should we do that', it's also a matter of 'should we ever do this'. Use the existing laws, not acts you have to invoke (after already adapting them to make them easier to invoke), to deal with a matter like this. Arrest looters caught on camera breaking things, stealing things, and hurting people. Encourage individual citizens to defend themselves. Starve the rioters and the cause of media attention and stop encouraging people to run in and cause more escalation because 'it's cool' and 'I'm totally, like, doing something against the man for RACISM'. Make an example out of leaders of the movement and shut down their private communications to break the back of the organized side of the looting. Deploying the military on its own people and stripping us of rights is never the correct answer. America won't be destroyed by pathetic groups of looters - most of the country doesn't even have peaceful protests, let alone riots and looting, the major cities could tear themselves to pieces and the nation itself would still be fine. I'm much more afraid of America no longer being America because we let the government abuse powers, or set up precedent for abuse in the future, than of a bunch of rabble somehow ending the nation.

What I expect him to do is 'nothing', unless the local government activates their military - and then I expect him to slap down the governors or mayors who do that. If he wants to hide in a bunker to protect himself, that's fine. I don't disapprove of him trying to ensure his own safety. I disapprove of him interfering with my liberties to 'protect me'. Naturally I have no interest in voting for senile old Biden either, but Trump is losing my support rapidly this year all the same.
 
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muh_moobs said:
Cops as casualties would likely be seen as "collateral damage" due to rioting, but that dude killed in the pawn shop after DAYS of inaction clearly proves the Federal government would be right to step in. In my opinion. By failing to stop the riots sooner, that man was deprived of his right to life under the constitution there by denying him the protection of the law.
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To be fair, a man dying in St. Louis is not a federal emergency.
 
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ChristianKiwi said:
Don't know if this is old news, so please forgive me. Apparently the Antifa_US twitter account that was promoting violence was linked to the white nationalists group American Identity Movement/Identify Evropa, and has been suspended by Twitter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securi...-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456
https://www.axios.com/twitter-suspe...sts-b387f109-2bfd-4326-a60f-a4d398a191c3.html

No actual details on the accounts or people linked to this account were given in these articles and I'm curious to know if such information can be found regarding the matter. So as of now I find the info interesting and take it lightly - especially given the political leanings of Twitter and the media sites.

If I were to put on my tinfoil hat though; the group is headquartered in D.C. and a cursory glance through their website shows that they also have members and engaged in activism in Minneapolis, So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say some members could be posing as Antifa-types or instigating rioting and looting during the protests in these areas.
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I would laugh (and then rage) so fucking hard if it turns out that Patrick Casey and his crowd were trying to instigate shit, given how hard he's been optics cucking lately. Perhaps it's compensatory? Idk. I had already kind of lost confidence in him by this point, but if he ends up giving the MSM their golden opportunity to pretend that Antifags and joggers had nothing to do with this and/or getting some of his followers arrested over a failed op, I will actually be extremely fucking pissed at that motherfucker. All you had to do was stay out of this and give the Antifags enough rope to hang themselves with, but instead, you had to fuck everything up and get them exonerated in the court of public opinion.
I really hope that doesn't come to pass, but I'm not super optimistic about anything right now
 
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Allanon said:
I would not be. The government doesn't have the right to tell its people 'go to bed or be murdered', especially when it's telling that to people who've done literally nothing wrong.
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I’d say burning the city down repeatedly is “something wrong”. And claiming the protesters are separate, how do you prove that? If they give warnings, then I’d assume anyone staying is de facto plannings on rioting.
 
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muh_moobs said:
Cops as casualties would likely be seen as "collateral damage" due to rioting, but that dude killed in the pawn shop after DAYS of inaction clearly proves the Federal government would be right to step in. In my opinion. By failing to stop the riots sooner, that man was deprived of his right to life under the constitution there by denying him the protection of the law.
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Not just that, this goes a bit deeper.


mr.moon1488 said:
Lol, it seems like the Latin Kings have been a more effective form riot control there than the cops.
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The Latin Kings haven't been hamstrung by their own leadership.


Teignmouth Electron said:
To be fair, a man dying in St. Louis is not a federal emergency.
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Its not about him dying, but about it happening due to the governing bodies absolute failure, if not complacency, in the death. Alongside all the buildings burned down, and everything else. The Right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness are all hurt here.
 
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behavioral swamp thang said:
HOWEVER, there were pallets of bricks EVERYWHERE in the protesting areas. No one knew where they were from. Antifa also claimed to have nothing to do with it. My sources are trustworthy. The brick pallets are sincerely sketching me out. Who the fuck put them there?
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Remember that time we killed that Iranian guy?
 
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