Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Drain Todger]

Normally, carbamoyl phosphate reacts with ornithine to form citrulline, and then it is converted to arginine, and finally, it's converted to nitric oxide.

There's one thing I should mention that's kinda fucking funny, in hindsight.

Watermelon is really, really high in citrulline, which boosts nitric oxide levels.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/ou-nod060904.php

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/watermelon

I can't believe I'm saying this, but having black people eat lots of watermelon might actually save them from COVID-19.

 

[BeboRefugee]

So the riots in Minnesota happened over a week ago, and spread to the rest of the USA and western countries since.

What's our ETA on a possible coronavirus spike in the given locations? Will testing be inhibited by the fact that shit's on fire yo, and how the demographic that were out protesting and looting are NOT the types who will defer to health authorities at the first sign of symptoms?

 

[Peace and Harmony]

What's our ETA on a possible coronavirus spike in the given locations?

Two more weeks

 

[MediocreMilt]

There's one thing I should mention that's kinda fucking funny, in hindsight.

Watermelon is really, really high in citrulline, which boosts nitric oxide levels.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/ou-nod060904.php

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/watermelon

I can't believe I'm saying this, but having black people eat lots of watermelon might actually save them from COVID-19.

Watermelon and cigarettes. How is this shit killing more black people?

 

[FatalTater]

I was out earlier, in the lovely American Midwest. Went to a Dollar General and Lowes. About half the shoppers in DG were wearing masks, about 20% were wearing them in Lowes, and the 6 foot "social distancing" thing wasn't even being considered anywhere despite there still being tape on the floors and signs around. Pretty sure everyone's just bored of the whole thing now.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

I had to go to a WalMart about an hour south of Atlanta a few days ago. About a third of people were wearing masks and they were mostly old. There was zero social distancing going on and people were packed in close at the registers (even the mask wearers) like nothing was going on.

 

[Without A Gout]

These past few weeks have been fucking infuriating.

- People want to get back to work and provide for their families, with some violations of social distancing

"yOuRe LiTeRaLlY kIlLiNg PeOpLe!" Deemed as non-essential activity.

- People gathering by the thousands in every city to protest/loot/burn down businesses. Absolutely no social distancing measures taken

"This is completely essential. Racism > Pandemic. Old people's lives can be replaced. Black lives cannot."

If ignoring every single issue that governments told us to do is suddenly okay, then why the fuck did we lock everything down for three months? Just so WuFlu rates can rise again and put us back into lockdown?

Fuck off.

 

[AmpleApricots]

A good thing about covid fatigue is that I was able to easily stock up on better, actual filtering masks for reasonable prices. This phase of psychological fatigue is actually pretty common for epidemics if you read up on your history.

Long time no see, some Germany news:
There's about ~7000-8000 registered active cases in Germany if you follow the official statistics. In a country with a population of about 83 million that's not much, even if you generously say there's maybe three to six times unregistered cases. (A mathematical model I saw guesses 1.5 times, actually) The trend week-to-week is still downwards and there are many "counties" (if you want to use the US term) where there have been zero cases for a while now. I would've guessed that my fellow countrymen ignore the rules completely by now like you saw in the protests, but at least where I live in everyday life it isn't really like that. You still see nobody without mask in stores and supermarkets, although that might have to do with the fact that the stores get a big fine if they're caught not enforcing the masks on their premises, and selling some stuff to somebody without mask simply isn't worth that. I had to travel by train for an hour last week and saw the occasional person without mask, mask pulled down or wearing the mask wrongly in other ways but largely, it was not the norm. (masks are mandatory in public transit)

The development of the open source tracing app is still ongoing. It uses a decentralized, anonymous approach and puts getting a test to the responsibility of the user. The github is here: https://github.com/corona-warn-app

I still listen to Drosten's podcast, he's an eminent specialist regarding Coronaviruses and especially the first SARS Virus and I mentioned him before. He recently spoke about interesting study results where CoV 2 apparently has more in common with the original SARS CoV than was thought at the beginning regarding how it spreads. I haven't read about these study results in many other places so I don't know how known they are, but it seems that, just like with the original SARS, a small minority of people cause the most infections, studies putting these numbers at about 10-20% of the infected causing 80% of all infections, so called "superspreaders". This would mean both that mitigation measures taken (social distancing, masks) don't need to be very effective to actually hinder the epidemic from progressing and also that just like with SARS, most infections that "run" the epidemic happen in big clusters, mainly at social gatherings in closed rooms. My government changed it's strategy in tracing to following back where a found infected person might have been at such a superspreading event, and just assuming that everyone who was there got infected and quarantining them and their direct contacts without even waiting for the test results. We'll have yet to see if that works, but it is promising. Japan has from the beginning assumed that CoV 2 works like SARS in that way and has been using the same tactic, and their numbers are really good. It pretty much spells doom to certain industries though. Some german Virologists and Epidiemologists are carefully optimistic that a second wave might be avoided if this is taken into account.

Otherwise, a huge 130bn euro stimulus package was just launched which among other things, temporarily lowers the VAT for the next six months. Families with children will get a one time payment of 300 euros per child on top of the regular payment you get for kids here. You also will get a 6000 Euro incentive if you buy an electric car. (disappointing the car industry which demanded a similar incentive for fossil-fueled cars) A support and loan program is included that's only for small businesses, which will hopefully save some of the restaurants, small retailers etc. hit by this. There was little critique about this stimulus package and it's mostly favoring the small guy and giving direct federal financial aid to muncipalities who were hard-hit by tax losses. Additionally, 50 billion euro will be invested into digitalizing the government, research and greener technologies mitigating the effects of climate change.

EDIT: I also find it necessary to share this music with you. (He's our minister of health)

 

[FuckedUp]

Okay, I need to get this off my chest. I know Kiwi Farms isn't exactly an ideal place for this, but I can't think of anywhere where people would likely be as sympathetic to my particular grievances.

Spoiler

For those who don't know, there was a (voluntary) shelter-in-place in the Boston area for about 12 hours when they were doing a manhunt for the living marathon bomber. Nearly everyone stayed inside, which in hindsight I'm sure had to do with it being Friday and everyone wanting an excuse to skip work. And (at least K-12) schools weren't affected because it was during MA's spring break.

Anyway, that incident made me have this unshakable malaise about the Boston area, that something like that happened. I was 13 and not yet completely familiar with libertarianism, so I thought it was just a "me" thing and kept it to myself. I only really got over it a couple years ago.

Now with this thing, pretty much the entire world's been affected in a way that makes what happened in the Boston area all those years ago seem like nothing. I don't think a "new normal" would last for even a second, but my biggest fear is that the economy will just fix itself and everything will "go back to normal". In addition to the fact that this "happened", there are so many things that can't just be "fixed". And I can't just move like I was planning to after 2013 because literally nowhere's safe anymore.

So, I don't know the least sociopathic way to phrase this, but I want widespread devastation, not things like war or genocides or other things leading to mass loss of life, but an economic depression and other things severely impacting peoples' livelihoods and social order. To make the most autistic analogy possible, you know that scene in Rick and Morty where they come back from a mission and start bawling uncontrollably after a brief pause? That's kind of how I want the populace to react to all of this, because I can't accept reality otherwise.

TL;DR: I'm a disaffected 20-year-old.

 

[Ravelord]

@EmuWarsVeteran Welp, it seems I was right. BLM riots finally happened in Madrid. And in Spain in general.

You know what that means. Covid here we go again.

 

[FuckedUp]

@EmuWarsVeteran Welp, it seems I was right. BLM riots finally happened in Madrid. And in Spain in general.

You know what that means. Covid here we go again.

It's fine to point out the hypocrisy, but you REALLY shouldn't genuinely care about it spreading.

 

[Peace and Harmony]

TL;DR: I'm a disaffected 20-year-old.

The interplay between the coronavirus lockdowns and the Floyd mass protests is going to be really interesting over the next few months, particularly because of how the social effects of both are having reciprocal effects on the other in bizarre and unpredictable ways. It's pretty much unfalsfiable but I do maintain a belief right now that the protests would not have been a quarter as intense (or perhaps not even happened at all) if cities had locked down for, say, four weeks instead of three fucking months. In the meantime, even the most normie of normie vanilla libs/centre-leftists is discovering that it is truly impossible to square the circle of them being forced to cancel funerals, weddings, holidays, graduations, and losing their jobs and vacations when no one says anything about mass protests around the world, and that's not even bringing in the looting and general chimping out.

So I don't really know if this is what you were going for in terms of wishing for disaster but trust in institutions is pretty much lower than its ever been. Shitlibs have zero faith in the police and local government, and conservatards have zero faith in public health experts and academics, which means that between new guidelines being issued and those guidelines being enforced, no one is going to give a flying fuck. And of course we are all gloriously united in having zero faith in the news media. In other words, if for some reason there is another attempt at a lockdown, ostensibly due to recent events (two more weeks!!!), I really don't think that there's any fucking way anyone would take it seriously.

Remember this fucking tweet? That was 54 fucking DAYS ago. Yeah Kiwi Farms remembers, and for once I'm gonna say that we're not the only ones.

 

[Ravelord]

It's fine to point out the hypocrisy, but you REALLY shouldn't genuinely care about it spreading.

No, I'm just saying it on more jarred tone. I answered to him because I talked to him about being surprised that the riots didn't happened already in Spain (given our political tensions and prior riots from wealthy neighbourhoods because they're dumbfucks) and we talked about it on another thread (the BLM megathread) but then we kinda moved it here.

Not like that is a good thing. This is gonna be sooooo messy, specially in Madrid. Now I have to wonder if we might see a return to prior phases. Which would be terrible for our economy, Jesus Fucking Christ.

 

[Simpadoo]

Victor Davis Hanson points out that China isn't letting a pandemic go to waste.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/04/china_isnt_letting_a_pandemic_go_to_waste_143359.html

China Isn't Letting a Pandemic Go to Waste | RealClearPolitics

archived 5 Jun 2020 04:41:55 UTC

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You knew that would happen, didn’t you?

In case people are wondering about how to feel, I'd still do the normal stuff to avoid catching it. The kind of stuff a smart person does already-wash hands, disinfect handles and steering wheels sometimes, don't suck in people's breath when they're in your face, and wear a mask if you're in super close with no airflow.

There are too many nurses that went from healthy, workout buffs to dead within four weeks to expect to be able to shake it off in a few days. it's not a death sentence, but it's not worth the hassle unless you're somehow paid for it.

TFW no buff nurse GF

All you niggers talking about how everything's reopened when nearly everything in MA's still shut down, despite being one of the only states to never have a full-on stay-at-home order. Help me

Massachussets: first state to legalize homosexual marriage. How shocking!

China is not only responsible about this but they deliberately caused this. They froze all domestic travel from and to Wuhan. But if they are going down they would take the whole world with it. So they let international flights out of Wuhan. What you have is fatigue from crisis. This speaks more about you than the current atmosphere.

True and true. Is anybody really surprised that China 1)Lied 2)Tried to cover it up and 3)Gave the West a double Mandingo?

The blame rests solely on our leadership scientific but mostly political.

Scientists have ceased to be trustworthy for a while now: less than 50% of published and peer-reviewed studies can be reproduced and the world hasn’t ended as the environmental scientists have predicted. We have flipped from Global Warming to Climate Change because of fucked up science using primitive models to crystal-ball our economies into oblivion.

Politicians have been watching expert after expert get debunked on most fields and they still heeded their lunatic recommendations.

Fuck that.

Now watch these fuckers dig their heels in and make all of our lives a living hell with the same people licking the balls of the rioters also breathlessly state that this retarded state must last forever.

The interplay between the coronavirus lockdowns and the Floyd mass protests is going to be really interesting over the next few months, particularly because of how the social effects of both are having reciprocal effects on the other in bizarre and unpredictable ways. It's pretty much unfalsfiable but I do maintain a belief right now that the protests would not have been a quarter as intense (or perhaps not even happened at all) if cities had locked down for, say, four weeks instead of three fucking months. In the meantime, even the most normie of normie vanilla libs/centre-leftists is discovering that it is truly impossible to square the circle of them being forced to cancel funerals, weddings, holidays, graduations, and losing their jobs and vacations when no one says anything about mass protests around the world, and that's not even bringing in the looting and general chimping out.

So I don't really know if this is what you were going for in terms of wishing for disaster but trust in institutions is pretty much lower than its ever been. Shitlibs have zero faith in the police and local government, and conservatards have zero faith in public health experts and academics, which means that between new guidelines being issued and those guidelines being enforced, no one is going to give a flying fuck. And of course we are all gloriously united in having zero faith in the news media. In other words, if for some reason there is another attempt at a lockdown, ostensibly due to recent events (two more weeks!!!), I really don't think that there's any fucking way anyone would take it seriously.

Remember this fucking tweet? That was 54 fucking DAYS ago. Yeah Kiwi Farms remembers, and for once I'm gonna say that we're not the only ones.

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The Rona almost took Drumpf out but fortunately, came to his senses and BTFOd Faguci so the doomer shit was defeated in time to get the stock market up.

The mass chimpout has now made this election entirely his to loose. If he follows his word and destroys Antifa, America will be a much better place but now a lot of people know how much they fucked up the country.

Fortunately, people understood it and avoided the trap.


I’m sure they’re cooking up a new crisis to ensure he does not get a second term.

Honestly, this looks similar to the scene from the Blues Brothers where Belushi is coming up with excuses as to why he didn’t show up to marry Carrie Fisher.

People still wearing masks and scared about the Ching Chong Lung AIDS so extra chromosome syndrome is still prevalent.

 

[FuckedUp]

As I mentioned in the reopenings thread, my university is planning on doing in-person this fall, but Stanford announced they're still going to be online-only. Honestly I think it's hilarious because fuck elite schools.

 

[feral cat #6385]

After the protest bullshit of the last two weeks I'm rooting for COVID to make a comeback! I want those soy infused fucksticks to feel the kiss of Corona Chan.

 

[FuckedUp]

After the protest bullshit of the last two weeks I'm rooting for COVID to make a comeback! I want those soy infused fucksticks to feel the kiss of Corona Chan.

It's literally NOT THERE. The whole fearmongering was literally over nothing, and they're fine with the protests because they know damn well it's a nothingburger and they simply didn't feel like keeping up the facade for that.

Saying 2020 has a "pandemic" is a massive misnomer; it's really the reaction to a fucking /pol/ meme that did the year in.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

As I mentioned in the reopenings thread, my university is planning on doing in-person this fall, but Stanford announced they're still going to be online-only. Honestly I think it's hilarious because fuck elite schools.

You know, I could get it if they were talking about oh idk, incoming freshmen since they barely take any courses that are actually relevant as opposed to hoops to jump through. Who cares if a big humanities survey course that exists to fund the rest of the liberal arts department is online only? You can get as much out of that as sitting in an auditorium-sized classroom listening to a guy who will never speak to you personally or know who you are lecture about something not relevant to your future career. So leaving on campus to the grad students and to undergrads who are doing work they need to be on campus for due to resources or to actual meaningful interaction they’re having with academics in their field, that makes sense.

But seniors? Even juniors? This is ridiculous, how you gonna finish your senior year if in fact there is such a thing as meaningful education in what you’re studying from online? You’re revealing that there is actually nothing special about your course of training. It could all be replicated forever by watching videos of this professor giving the same lecture you would’ve heard in his classroom for the past 20 years and forcing you to write a few papers a TA can grade.

 

[FuckedUp]

You know, I could get it if they were talking about oh idk, incoming freshmen since they barely take any courses that are actually relevant as opposed to hoops to jump through. Who cares if a big humanities survey course that exists to fund the rest of the liberal arts department is online only? You can get as much out of that as sitting in an auditorium-sized classroom listening to a guy who will never speak to you personally or know who you are lecture about something not relevant to your future career. So leaving on campus to the grad students and to undergrads who are doing work they need to be on campus for due to resources or to actual meaningful interaction they’re having with academics in their field, that makes sense.

But seniors? Even juniors? This is ridiculous, how you gonna finish your senior year if in fact there is such a thing as meaningful education in what you’re studying from online? You’re revealing that there is actually nothing special about your course of training. It could all be replicated forever by watching videos of this professor giving the same lecture you would’ve heard in his classroom for the past 20 years and forcing you to write a few papers a TA can grade.

I checked the Stanford subreddit for the hell of it and saw basically everyone saying they were doing a gap year, lol.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

imagine being the kid of a rich and influential family going to stanford to learn anything