Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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There was some speculation about people fleeing cities after this shit, and I just caught up with my city folk friends and family (mostly NYC) and the flight is legit, the majority of them are leaving and moving to rural or suburban areas within the next few months.
Cities are behavioural sinks. Humans do not do well in such high density psychologically. They’re also breeding grounds for disease, and allow disease to spread in such a different way that different diseases take hold than on the country. It’ll be interesting to see how people move.

looks like Pakistan is starting to be hit quite badly: http://archive.is/p5QtB
The dynamics of spread are interesting and I think there’s a lot we still don’t know. It seems to just follow a similar curve whether you lockdown or not, unless lockdown is total. A steep rise then a long slow drop off. We wondered if places like Pakistan were not getting hit but it seems like they were just behind the curve. This does not bode well for Africa and other third world areas.

What a year...
 
It's literally because of differences in endothelial function.


It's right on their lips, but they refuse to say it. COVID-19 kills black people more readily because of inherent physical differences. I keep seeing all these articles all over the place with politically-correct bullshit, trumpeting "structural inequality" as the cause of more severe illness with COVID-19. Anything to avoid that dreadful, taboo conclusion that we're not all physically fucking identical. That's "biological determinism" and awful wrongthink.

Guess who suffers the most with this kind of thinking? The patients.

It sure will be fun for those looters and rioters when they get hit with this. They have turned their own neighborhoods into no-go zones for first responders and have called for the police to be abolished in their cities. Hospitals are already laying off staff, I wonder how many will stick around if there is a fear they will get BLM'd and burned to the fucking ground? People talk about a demoralized police force, but what about doctors? If I was a doctor, I wouldn't stick around for this shit. I would open up my own private practice in some small Midwestern town.
 
Even though I said I wouldn't be posting any further numbers (barring major changes in my area), I have something worth sharing. But first, some responses to posts:

I don't think we're going back to normal quite as easily as it sounds. Schools are laying off teachers, and planning for partial enrollment/partial online in the fall (which means parents won't be going back to work),
And some states, especially those hit hard by shutdowns and decreased tax revenue, now find themselves with less money available for education and difficult decisions looming as school districts need to have to have their funding numbers at month's end.

I'm more concerned that the more overzealous governors will use these "spikes" as an excuse to extend the lockdowns.
I can see it happening. I feel as if doomers are looking for any reason to say, "See, we opened up too soon, shut everything back down again!" even though it will further the existing economic devastation.

And its starting to look like the virus was indeed more manageable than we were led to believe, and if that's the case, I'm going to be super pissed.
Agreed. I feel that states which imposed a state-wide quarantine should have aggressively pursued testing within the initial weeks of stay-at-home orders to see who all was infected and who all wasn't to see what could stay open and what could reopen in stages albeit quicker than the status quo. That had to be better than 2-3 months worth of staying home and general uncertainty about what was really going on.

do you think it might be due to all of the rioters? Ah, who are we kidding. the Media is just gonna blame on business reopening and boomers.
It's very possible. The same media outlets that reported African-Americans are disproportionately contracting COVID-19 seem to be turning a blind eye to their safety in supporting and praising their protests that lack any sort of precautions or social distancing.
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@CeleryStalks has still been keeping up with Michigan happenings, so I have little to offer apart from the fact that certain activities have resumed with people being encouraged to social distance. Even when masks aren't required, people are still being encouraged to wear them if they're in a vulnerable category or plan be around vulnerable people after being out in public. Oddly, it seems a decent number of people are more willing to wear masks voluntarily in these circumstances.

Empirically, I enjoyed an outdoor activity last weekend for the first time since the shutdown. Some people voluntarily chose to wear masks for whatever reason and families that sat together still did their part to keep the required distance away from unrelated people. In lieu of handshakes or other contact, nods, tips of the hat, or peace signs were instead exchanged.

I'm also back at the office. While it's good to be back, it's also a hassle to remember to ask clients the list of required questions, "Are you sick? Do you have a fever? etc." every single time before allowing them into the office.
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Now, for something that @JosephStalin will probably enjoy reading. The Detroit News, the paper that has the more conservative editorials of the two main Detroit Newspapers, posted an editorial that Michigan shouldn't expect a bailout from the US Congress. A selected passage from the editorial:

editorial said:
The reality is the federal government cannot afford to bail out Michigan and every other state feeling the sting of their self-imposed lockdowns.

Congress has already taken extensive and unprecedented action to send funding directly to individuals, businesses, states and local governments to deal with the financial challenges surrounding the virus.
In May, the Democratic-controlled House passed yet another relief bill, a massive $3 trillion wish list that would do much more than provide targeted virus aid. The Republican majority in the Senate is wisely holding off on this measure.

The states crying the loudest for additional help are also the ones who have a history of making bad financial decisions.

TL;DR - US congress has already done what it can to help individuals, and all that's been done so far may lead to $8 Trillion in debt over the next decade. States, especially those that aren't the best when it comes to fiscal responsibility, need to plan for a worst-case scenario where they get zero Federal gibs.

Editorial:
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I read an article today about an E.R doctor who for the last 3 months was terrified of getting Covid-19, bringing it home to his family or dying of it himself. He took every precaution and wore a face shield, face mask and washed and scrubbed his hands and nails everyday. He was in close contact with the sickest Covid patients every shift so his anxiety was high. He recently did an antibody test and guess what? he tested negative. He never had the virus.

Despite the naysayers, proper masks and good hand hygiene actually works to prevent coming in contact with this thing.
 
I read an article today about an E.R doctor who for the last 3 months was terrified of getting Covid-19, bringing it home to his family or dying of it himself. He took every precaution and wore a face shield, face mask and washed and scrubbed his hands and nails everyday. He was in close contact with the sickest Covid patients every shift so his anxiety was high. He recently did an antibody test and guess what? he tested negative. He never had the virus.

Despite the naysayers, proper masks and good hand hygiene actually works to prevent coming in contact with this thing.
I don't think we have accurate enough antibody tests to know this, do we?

Geez. This thing is a train wreck. I guess I can give an LA suburb update just for kicks and posterity.

Stuff's about 80% back to normal. Foods back on the shelves, you can get toilet paper and hand sanitizer. The weird things are:
- Masks are the norm. Lines outside stores are becoming more common as more people go out. They're counting shoppers in and out of the stores with iPads.
- Walmart and Target still look threadbare, less so in the food aisles and more in the clothes, crafts, decor, and electronics sections. I think stuff from China is not getting restocked or something. And people are desperate for the normalcy of shopping so they're buying everything. Walmart is not taking returns right now so I'm stuck with a new shirt three sizes too big that I wasn't allowed to try on.
- Only about half of the local shops have re-opened. A bunch are still doing curbside pickup only. The new shops are nice because they're not sold out like Walmart and Target have been.
- About 3/4 of the local restaurants seem to be open. I was finally able to dine-in last week and had to get my temperature taken first and wear a mask until the drinks arrived.
- Clothing stores seem to be holding off on re-opening. Some friends and I did a road trip yesterday, up north out of the LA area, and hit a couple clothing stores. Many stores have their dressing rooms closed and the ones that are open, are steaming clothes before they hang them back on the rack.
- Did I mention that we went camping last weekend? Nobody was wearing masks in the rural camping towns. It was nice. So normal.
- Lots of stores that were just about to open were closed again and boarded up from the riots/protests, and are now opening a week later. Our mall was supposed to re-open, but a rampant rumor went through that protestors were being bused in to smash things and loot, so they delayed the reopening a week. (Spoilers, there were no looters, but we had four days of poorly communicated, and hectic curfew. Additional spoilers, only about 1/3 of the mall has chosen to reopen.)
- I went to the big riot protest to see if I could smash some windows too. They yelled at the cops and national guard and marched around a lot, but that was it. There was no social distancing. Also masks are fricking hot an hard to breath in when it's 90-degrees outside.
- Hair cuts are allowed again with much sanitation. All the hair dressers are booked up for a month.
- Nail salons are still not allowed to open and there is much screaming about that online.
- My gym is allowed to re-open and will do so in about two weeks.
- Schools are still planning for partial online enrollment come fall. I've been told that a local private elementary school made it's students go through a lottery to see who gets to actually come into a classroom, vs joining online, and that another school is making parents pay extra to let their kids come in.

I still don't actually know anyone who died from this thing. Two friends each know a person... One was an old guy with a DNR, who might have pulled through if he'd had a ventilator, and the other was a supposedly healthy, middle-aged college professor. My 89-year old grandpa tested positive for about a week, but had no symptoms and is grumpy as ever.
 
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About 3/4 of the local restaurants seem to be open. I was finally able to dine-in last week and had to get my temperature taken first and wear a mask until the drinks arrived.

That's how it is here, too. The local specialty food places (think cupcakes, ice cream, wedding cakes, Indian food etc) are closed down indefinitely. Every clothing store is closed as well or boarded up because of protests, and the only places to get clothes are Walmart or Target. CVS and Walgreens are back to normal, albeit you need to wear facemasks to enter and they clerks have plexiglass in front of the counters. The sidewalks are full of people walking dogs and pushing strollers, as they have facemasks. Places like McDonalds and Dunkin are open and operating as usual, but have ridiculous restrictions for the number of people allowed inside.
 
So, spanish press has been interesring on how they talk about China. As I mentioned here at the begining of this spanish public TV (RTVE) just straight up called china out. But A3Media (the private conglomerate owning basically all private spanish TV) has been simping hard for the comies. Well shit's looping right back around with journos both public and private once more bitching about chinese censorship and stating outright that we just straight up can't even possibly trust chinese numbers at all nor can we even trust them in the future. It seems the 2 events that sparked this were the study saying the virus was in wuhan since august and the official RTVE reporter getting harassed by cops and censored and calling china out for it in twitter. https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/4291636/0/mavi-donate-harta-cansada-censura-china-coronavirus/ hilarious part is as she explains she was just trying to film the testing line to write a GOOD piece about how china had it under control and people were cooperating. She was SIMPING. But they censored and harassed her. And now the whole of spanish media is in full blown Streisand Effect as a result with social media laughing their assess off for it. China just shot its own propaganda machine in the foot due to being too paranoid. Remember kids: this is why totalitarianism never works.
 
My paycheck's been low these past few weeks, but people are finally coming back to the airport, i haven't seen so many people in the airplanes for so long it's surreal. Hell I saw some coworkers I haven't seen since quarantine and were like "wow Oglooger, you were right about the Chinese"
All I want now is my regular paycheck and position back but they're right now only giving it to full timers.
 
I already knew it was going to happen anyway, but fuck all these morons suddenly panicking about the spike in cases throughout the country, conveniently forgetting exactly why that is. Certainly isn't due to the riots in several major cities with people being bused in and everything, no sir.

In fact I'm willing to bet that, on top of the general spread of chaos and anarchy, that was the secondary part of the plan. Bus people around all over the place and shame others on social media to get out and "protest" under the threat of racism, and then when the cases inevitably spike blame it on the lockdown lifts because they knew for a fact everyone would swiftly forget what just happened thanks to the propaganda machine ensuring the populace has the attention span of a fucking goldfish.

The sheer timing of this in relation to how people were just getting over the virus bullshit and returning back to normal is far, far too convenient to think of it as an even remote coincidence.
 
Haha oh no!
Oregon Pauses Reopening As Coronavirus Cases Rise
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Oregon Gov. Kate Brown has put a temporary pause on all further reopening efforts in the state after it saw the most new cases of the coronavirus in a single day since the start of the pandemic.

The pause came just before Oregon's most populous county, Multnomah, was set to start phase one of reopening, as Oregon Public Radio reported.

The county, which is home to Portland, was planning to have a limited reopening of establishments such as restaurants, gyms, salons and malls. It is the only county in the state that hasn't moved into the initial phase of reopening.

Brown cited a number of "areas for concern" that the state has been seeing in Multnomah County in its recent coronavirus data.

She said that hospitalizations have gone up there in the last two weeks, a higher percentage of tests are coming back positive, and more than 40% of new cases haven't been traced back to a source.

Boy, she sure went out of her way to avoid stating what could've possibly cause such a spike, huh?
 
So, spanish press has been interesring on how they talk about China. As I mentioned here at the begining of this spanish public TV (RTVE) just straight up called china out. But A3Media (the private conglomerate owning basically all private spanish TV) has been simping hard for the comies. Well shit's looping right back around with journos both public and private once more bitching about chinese censorship and stating outright that we just straight up can't even possibly trust chinese numbers at all nor can we even trust them in the future. It seems the 2 events that sparked this were the study saying the virus was in wuhan since august and the official RTVE reporter getting harassed by cops and censored and calling china out for it in twitter. https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/4291636/0/mavi-donate-harta-cansada-censura-china-coronavirus/ hilarious part is as she explains she was just trying to film the testing line to write a GOOD piece about how china had it under control and people were cooperating. She was SIMPING. But they censored and harassed her. And now the whole of spanish media is in full blown Streisand Effect as a result with social media laughing their assess off for it. China just shot its own propaganda machine in the foot due to being too paranoid. Remember kids: this is why totalitarianism never works.
Although, Franco did a nice job. Is his considered a totalitarian regime?
 
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