2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[BeboRefugee]

I don't think that the Dems will just go away the day after the election solely because they lose 2020. But the fact that they will have lost two in a row to Trump, especially the last speaks volumes about the health of their party.

The bar for the Dems to win 2020 could not be lower. All they have to do is appear to not be crazy. The fact that not only can they not stop being crazy, they can't even fake not being crazy says everything.

The left is in full French Revolution mode. The recriminations and the infighting after four more years of Trump will probably leave them even more fractured on this date in 2024 than today in 2020.

And they have no political talent in the pipeline. If you look at the GOP side, there are several credible candidates for 2024. Pence, Haley, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, De Santis, Noem, Trump Jr. Who's gonna be running for the Dems? Buttigieg? AOC? Newsome? Cuomo? They have nothing. I've said this before, but the Dems are no closer now to finding a successor to Obama than they were the day they nominated him in 2008.


I see people on this board frequently talk about the Dems reforming, which I am assuming they mean ditch the far left.

And like I do every time, I ask, how is that supposed to work? Do you see those losers playing anarchists in Seattle? How exactly are the Dems going to get rid of them? You can't stop them from being Democrats. They're gonna keep holding the rest of the party hostage like they are that Mayor. They're gonna keep primarying establishment Dems with far left types like AOC and the Squad. I really don't think 'Shut up and be quiet' is going to work with them. They're not gonna just say, 'Welp, okay. I give up on bringing about Martxist utopia. I guess I better go get a real job now!' AOC is not going back to her bartending job willingly. They will always be in the left most party, which is currently the Dems. These are true believers. They're not going away. And the GOP will continue to point at them and make them the face of their party.

So tell me, how exactly is ditching the far left supposed to work?

Back in 2016 I bought into the idea that the GOP was doomed due to demographics. Maybe they still are in the long run. But I made the mistake of thinking the DNC was a cool, well-oiled machine. With organisations this big and ideologically diverse, you're gonna get friction, and whatever you can criticise Republicans for, they aren't anywhere near as internally divided as the Democrats are.
There's no mutual affinity that binds the Dems together, it's an alliance of political necessity. I get the feeling that amid all the backstabbing and chicanery, there are a few strategists in the DNC that really want the next 2 decades of policy to be exactly what you're describing, and ultimately secure a quiet win.
Meanwhile in another camp, there's what I guess I would call populists, who are totally fine with pushing harmful rhetoric if it secures them and their buddies jobs in contested races, and then on the other other side, you've got ethnic activists, gay campaigners and socialists, that have analysed the demographic map more than Stormfront, and figured they don't even need to be polite to win, the clock is on their side. Hence, the desire to push and push as fast as possible, because in their view victory is an inevitability anyway.

Imagine if they held off on the statue shit until 2050. What the Atlanta and Minneapolis police are dealing with right now is an effective criminalisation of their livelihoods. You follow procedure and training to a tee and still get fired and charged with murder? Fuck that. Now, had the Dems waited a few decades to do any of this then victory would've been assured if current trends held that long, as the GOP wouldn't be able to muster an electoral rejection of such behaviour.
In short, this whole saga is doing a lot to dispel any notion of grand conspiracy, especially competent conspiracy. Conspiracies do exist, for sure, but it isn't one cabal managing the entire DNC. It's more like 50 different factions who, while individually conspire, in actuality are fucking over one another and the long-term win in pursuit of their own immediate gains.

 

[heyitsmike]

Back in 2016 I bought into the idea that the GOP was doomed due to demographics. Maybe they still are in the long run. But I made the mistake of thinking the DNC was a cool, well-oiled machine. With organisations this big and ideologically diverse, you're gonna get friction, and whatever you can criticise Republicans for, they aren't anywhere near as internally divided as the Democrats are.
There's no mutual affinity that binds the Dems together, it's an alliance of political necessity. I get the feeling that amid all the backstabbing and chicanery, there are a few strategists in the DNC that really want the next 2 decades of policy to be exactly what you're describing, and ultimately secure a quiet win.
Meanwhile in another camp, there's what I guess I would call populists, who are totally fine with pushing harmful rhetoric if it secures them and their buddies jobs in contested races, and then on the other other side, you've got ethnic activists, gay campaigners and socialists, that have analysed the demographic map more than Stormfront, and figured they don't even need to be polite to win, the clock is on their side. Hence, the desire to push and push as fast as possible, because in their view victory is an inevitability anyway.

Imagine if they held off on the statue shit until 2050. What the Atlanta and Minneapolis police are dealing with right now is an effective criminalisation of their livelihoods. You follow procedure and training to a tee and still get fired and charged with murder? Fuck that. Now, had the Dems waited a few decades to do any of this then victory would've been assured if current trends held that long, as the GOP wouldn't be able to muster an electoral rejection of such behaviour.
In short, this whole saga is doing a lot to dispel any notion of grand conspiracy, especially competent conspiracy. Conspiracies do exist, for sure, but it isn't one cabal managing the entire DNC. It's more like 50 different factions who, while individually conspire, in actuality are fucking over one another and the long-term win in pursuit of their own immediate gains.

I think there actually is a coherent coalition in the Democratic Party. It's a union of people who think they are saviors and people who think they need saving.

I can't imagine them holding off on the statues until 2050 because they're crazy. If they were able to not be crazy, they wouldn't be crazy.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

To quote Spike Spiegel "whatever happens happens". If trump wins we'll likely see a final loud flailing of the regressive left beforen its death. If Biden wins wokeness will stick around for a bit longer but will fade out quietly

 

[A Grey Cat]

Someone said this on the Warren Ellis thread how his comic transmetropolitan predicted the election year. It's basically the beast or the smiler. A creepy touched who eats babies or a power mad egomaniac. Doesn't matter who wins our lives are gonna still suck

 

[The Curmudgeon]

With all the insanity going on this year, I honestly forgot about this year's election.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

In another forum one of the favorite things the anti trump crowd liked to bitch about was that trump was apparently eroding the US's "soft power" what does that even actually mean?

According to the eternally truthful Wikipedia:

In politics (and particularly in international politics), soft power is the ability to attract and co-opt, rather than coerce (contrast hard power). In other words, soft power involves shaping the preferences of others through appeal and attraction

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Current primary results from Pennsylvania (on Politico) shows that Trump is currently getting more votes than Biden.
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In recent days, Trump's betting odds on RealClearPolitics have fallen. Biden is currently a point ahead of him.
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Here's the results from the official PA Election Returns site, as of June 20th.

 

[King Ghidorah]

According to the eternally truthful Wikipedia:

So basically they were complaining that trump actually took direct action

 

[MrJokerRager]

Here's the results from the official PA Election Returns site, as of June 20th.

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The only silver lining is that Biden is not winning unanimously even with Bernie endorsing him.

Looking at the percentage rates, Trump is probably the incumbent with strong in party support and popularity in recent history.

 

[King Ghidorah]

The only silver lining is that Biden is not winning unanimously even with Bernie endorsing him.

Looking at the percentage rates, Trump is probably the incumbent with strong in party support and popularity in recent history.

The real question is if they'll actually vote given democratic voter apathy

 

[The Boga Dog]

So basically they were complaining that trump actually took direct action

Soft power is more complicated than that. Soft power is the power to get what you want without resorting to more expensive/obvious means (sanctions, military flexing, UN votes, etc).

Traditionally, America's best soft power tactic has been its culture. Hollywood, the music industry, the "American Idea" of freedom, democracy, etc.. The problem is, American culture, even with a president that a lot of the world likes, was already seen as a bad thing - consumerist, wasteful, and preachy. It doesn't matter who is in power now; world opinion has already been swayed against US culture, even though the rest of the world is hooked on it like some kind of drug.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The real question is if they'll actually vote given democratic voter apathy

You talking about Trump or Biden's voters.

Trump has already been pushing for more people to vote and the media is helping him out with all those low poll numbers. Also the rallies are coming back, which will help him as well.

 

[King Ghidorah]

You talking about Trump or Biden's voters.

Trump has already been pushing for more people to vote and the media is helping him out with all those low poll numbers. Also the rallies are coming back, which will help him as well.

Definitely Biden voter enthusiasm is the thing that news likes to quietly scoot under the rug

 

[heyitsmike]

Definitely Biden voter enthusiasm is the thing that news likes to quietly scoot under the rug

What they do like to push is Biden's apparent advantage in likeability. But I find that underwhelming. He's got default person likeability. He's got that kind of likeability where you meet someone for the first time, shake their hand and walk away thinking, 'Seems like an okay dude I guess.'

I really don't think average people really knew who he was before he became Obama's VP. If you were plugged into politics you'd know who he was but most people wouldn't I don't think. He flamed out in '88 and '08 before he really got a lot of national scrutiny. The rest of the time he was running for office in one of the smallest states in the country. And of course when he was on Obama's ticket the attention was always on Obama.

So what I'm saying is that he's still likeable because he's never been in a situation where his likeability was challenged. I have a feeling that once Trump really gets going on making the case against against him he won't be quite so likeable.

They like to play up the fact that Biden was born in Pennsylvania. But do they really know up in Scranton what their native son was doing over in Delaware to hurt them? Unless they were into politics they wouldn't know. They wouldn't have seen his opponents' attack ads during his Senate campaigns. They wouldn't have heard about any scandals happening with him. They wouldn't know any of that. But I can guarantee you Trump will let them know.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Speaking of polls

https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll-55-believe-that-biden-potentially-has-early-stages-of-dementia/

http://archive.md/R26BX

He is way past early. My mom started to show signs of early dementia in the last few months before she passed. Biden is far more gone.

 

[-4ZURE-]

At this point, I am putting my bets on Donald winning. Everything seems lined up for it.

Bernie, along with Tulsi and Yang, were the bipartisan picks. They were the only ones I saw that could get Trump supporters to switch sides, and the only ones to really have a good image with moderates. As we all know, the DNC hates change, so tampering their chances was inevitable, the problem will be the same as 2016. How do you convince the disgruntled that you willingly screwed over to join your side? With Biden and now a second instance, them regaining that support is going to end in failure.
(Also, having those candidates “support” Biden does little, voters know what they did and typically just get frustrated at the leftist candidates for not breaking off and attacking the DNC.)

Next we have the national craziness of this year. More than likely, the Dems will try to shove the blame onto Trump, but just like 2016, those in the know will call them out. The Dems have done practically nothing in terms of Corona Virus and the riots. At worst, they actually hinder the solution. Many Democrat cities are being burned down at the moment, and the leaders seem to be just letting it happen, providing evidence towards the Dems being a “do nothing” party. One could also bring up instances like Pelosi directing people into small China-town areas three weeks before quarantine. The dems goal of playing response to Trump will ultimately hurt them as they do nothing then yell at Donald because they would have done things better. They cannot function without Donald, and once more people start recognizing this, the fall will surely happen.

The riots will also hurt as Antifa and BLM are Democrat organizations. Blue voters can easily be seen as the ones destroying the country after recent events.

Finally, the furthered dissonance between the average American and the media will most certainly help Trump. Many are starting to side with Trump more as news stations like CNN are getting more ousted than ever for being bias. The celebrity worship of America is also dying, meaning less are exposing themselves to liberal Hollywood. The Twitter fiasco may also shed some light on Silicon Valley not being so trust worthy themselves.

Other factors for victory are:
The destruction of #MeToo due to Biden having around 8 accusers of misconduct. This event showed a level of hypocrisy and one-sides politics that will look bad on Dems and create a split in the movement.

Biden’s questionable mental state. While some Dems try to write it off (yes some defend it as a non-issue and he has nothing wrong with him), it is clear that a lot of Americans seem to care about this man’s mental health. The more Biden cracks, the worse the reception seems to be.

China is likely also a factor. In 2019, Americans got a boost in hate towards the government of China during the protests. I am sure the virus will also fuel tension. In saying this, Trump was always the one touting how we should be harder on China, so many will likely look to him to do so.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I remember some conspiracy-posting recently in the TDS thread about high-ranking US military officers refusing to obey Trump and basically attempting a coup against him. I mocked such rhetoric for its hallucinatory nature, but now I'm beginning to wonder if Joe Biden or his puppetmasters "team" is insane enough to get "powers that be" like the Federal Reserve Banking System to attempt an outright coup (an element of which is declaring all US dollars as no longer legal tender and thus invalid until Trump resigns and Biden is placed in, which would do some shit to the economy).

Maybe I'm just wondering about dumb shit. After all, didn't they say the same thing about Trump?

 

[-4ZURE-]

Maybe I'm just wondering about dumb shit. After all, didn't they say the same thing about Trump?

What have they not said about Trump?

Did you know Donald is secretly part of a cult that is trying to resurrect Hitler? Yeah, it is true, and Putin along with all the Russian hackers that kept our queen, Hilary Clinton (Bless her soul!), out of office are helping him. To stop this, we must elect President Barack Obama Biden into office because Orange Man Bad, Russia Bad, Republicans (aka racists) Bad, Biden Good!

 

[ProgKing of the North]

If you look at the GOP side, there are several credible candidates for 2024. Pence, Haley, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, De Santis, Noem, Trump Jr.

Jesus Christ we're even more fucked than I thought

 

[heyitsmike]

On a scale from 'not nervous at all' to 'nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs,' what do you think the mood is at the DNC right now, after seeing Trump go off the cuff for two hours knowing Biden will have to take that on?