The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.


Good grief. Yeah, okay, I believe the devs pounded back some shots and watched some LiveLeak for this. I know the first Last of Us had some memorably grisly ends, like that one big fungus zombie gouging Joel's eyes out, but I don't remember if they ever went so far as to show your character getting their goddamn face blown open with a shotgun or blood shooting out of her neck after she eats a shiv to the throat.

The two things that shocked me about that sequence.

1) They make you play as Abby instead of Ellie.
2) The ONLY way to win is to repeatedly attack Ellie from behind.

Abbie legit in this game has 70 more pounds of muscle than Ellie, but Abby can't win a face to face fistfight because they programmed Ellie to always have a weapon.
 
The two things that shocked me about that sequence.

1) They make you play as Abby instead of Ellie.
2) The ONLY way to win is to repeatedly attack Ellie from behind.

Abbie legit in this game has 70 more pounds of muscle than Ellie, but Abby can't win a face to face fistfight because they programmed Ellie to always have a weapon.
Apparently immunity to cordyceps means you also gain hammerspace powers too given she does the same shit with a knife.

And I can't really call the gameplay looking at it anything but solid, because the fact it has a variety of bugs, including the fact you can crawl on the ground to be immortal, pretty damn bad.

It fails on all levels, and it's amusing that the shills are struggling to come up with the "ebil troll" narrative given even a decent chunk of the consoomer crowd hate it.
 
The game will probably still sell like 20 million copies though lmao

Knowing Sony they were expecting a better reception, the problem with this is that they cant use The last of us name ever again, the name is tarnished beyond repair, even if they break it even the franchise end here and there is no salvation for it, Sony banked too hard on this and lost the cash cow by literally make a tranny fuck it to hell

They could try to release the last of us 3 but after this and without a good character what could they put on it? are people going to buy and deal with another 40 hours of abby?
 
Knowing Sony they were expecting a better reception, the problem with this is that they cant use The last of us name ever again, the name is tarnished beyond repair, even if they break it even the franchise end here and there is no salvation for it, Sony banked too hard on this and lost the cash cow by literally make a tranny fuck it to hell

They could try to release the last of us 3 but after this and without a good character what could they put on it? are people going to buy and deal with another 40 hours of abby?
Honestly the only way to save this franchise is for Sony to immediately seize control of development, send it to another non-pozzed studio they own (just like Jak or Crash Bandicoot), and have them work 24-7 on a free epilogue 'DLC' that retcons the entire game as a fever dream sequence.

That takes the edge off, and allows them to sort of possibly set up for a triumphant 'return' maybe a few years later.

They have to do it fast, because TLoU is quickly going from a respectable franchise, to a mocked one.
 
So much of this could have been mitigated by just focusing on framing things correctly. Keep all the faggotry and troon shit in all you want, sequencing it properly and giving people proper sendoffs would have mitigated a lot of the blowback. Joel dies in this game? You can pull that off, but it has to be done well. One of the things I hate about these "games as films/high art" is how gameplay is ripped away. Want to kill Joel, have the player control him in an unbeatable fight, doing something meaningful (saving Ellie one last time for example). If I had to change things, here is what I would do.

  • Abby gameplay for first 1/3rd game, establish character/backstory, get players to like her, hint at Joel revenge plot.
  • Meet Joel, he saves her and her group, have them interact a bit in a somewhat friendly manner, maybe a short gameplay sequence with them (how cool, the old protagonist and the new one are teaming up).
  • She comes to the realisation that it's him, maybe have her realise because Ellie comes in calls him Joel tipping Abby off, letting her put 2 and 2 together, she loses it and gets her crew to turn on them.
  • Start the golfclub sequence, cut - gameplay as Ellie/Joel before they meet up with Abby's crew
  • Father/Daughter interactions and building on relations, throw the fucking faggotry in here if I have to, build up so people know what happened in between this game and the first one. Have one or two gameplay sections with them as a callback to the first game (maybe reverse it you Ellie is under player control and Joel is the AI, he's also getting older, so needs your help for certain things, nice parallel to the first game).
  • Action scene with these two saving Abby's group, from their perspective. Cut back to golf club scene.
  • Play it out the same way BUT have Ellie beg Abby using a line akin to "he's like my father, don't do it". We now have the cliche' Star Wars style "dark side test", which Abby clearly fails.
  • Either have her kill Joel in spite of Ellie's begs in the same manner in the cutscene- gone to villain OR have Abby do a "SHUT UP!!!" on Ellie, shift to beating her up in her rage - Joel, in spite of being half dead, pulls himself up for one final save of his "daughter", make that shit QTE or playable - Ellie escapes, and Joel dies via golf club - He's dead, but he died like a hero and the player got to play as Joel one last time.
  • Revenge plot is a go. Only Ellie from that point on. Ends with either Abby dead from a cathartic fight/encounter, or if pulling the "revenge is not worth it" have Abby dead from the crucifixion or so weak that she's almost gone by the time Ellie reaches her - It's not satisfying and Ellie burnt everything back home.
  • Alternatively, if she is to escape for a sequel hook, she escapes not because Ellie decides to "end the cycle of revenge" and stop short of killing her, but because...she properly escapes by her own will. Maybe the "boss" of the guys crucifying her comes and attacks Ellie, allowing her to slip away to a scene of her rowing away just as Ellie gets to the shore. This now allows continuation into a 3rd game, a potential redemption arc with a now non-jacked Abby, and a proper fall of Ellie over the course of two games.

These are not major changes in terms of "remove this character entirely", and maybe it's a bit cliche', but I think it would be far, far more well received by gamers because a) we are not being told "like Abby, isn't she sympathetic". If we do like her, it will be before the heel turn and be a genuine like, if we don't...doesn't matter, you were not meant to like her anyway after the heel turn, b) Joel get's a proper sendoff with buildup. He either goes out with one last gameplay sequence of him saving his daughter, or showing off how far this character has fallen, as opposed to "yeah, she killed him, now like her", c) we get the part that everyone loved from the first game - Joel and Ellie interacting, possibly gameplay callbacks and d) the ending removes that stupid "break the cycle" shit and is either rewarding for the player, shows clearly that "revenge isn't worth it", or sets up for part 3 with potential for a face turn for Abby and a fall for Ellie.

Honestly don't know what the fuck Druckmann was smoking when he did this, this seems to be both spite driven and like he looked at Rian Johnson and went "this is how you do a film". This guy must have been in his own bubble, and boy is he feeling the pain of people outside it (not trolls or incels, genuine gamers and normal people) fucking hate his work.
 
Honestly the only way to save this franchise is for Sony to immediately seize control of development, send it to another non-pozzed studio they own (just like Jak or Crash Bandicoot), and have them work 24-7 on a free epilogue 'DLC' that retcons the entire game as a fever dream sequence.

That takes the edge off, and allows them to sort of possibly set up for a triumphant 'return' maybe a few years later.

They have to do it fast, because TLoU is quickly going from a respectable franchise, to a mocked one.

Not happening in a million years, knowing the main bugmen that write it this was his vision and will not break to own the trump maga hatters, the franchise is dead and it was a good run, i cant believe someone made freaking David Cage look good in comparison, the only way this dumpster fire could get worse is by releasing it on the Epic game store
 
Knowing Sony they were expecting a better reception, the problem with this is that they cant use The last of us name ever again, the name is tarnished beyond repair, even if they break it even the franchise end here and there is no salvation for it, Sony banked too hard on this and lost the cash cow by literally make a tranny fuck it to hell

They could try to release the last of us 3 but after this and without a good character what could they put on it? are people going to buy and deal with another 40 hours of abby?

People will buy whatever game they put out next. They'll show it at E3 running on the PS5 and everyone will talk about how it's literally the greatest game ever made and how the graphics are amazing. Just like everyone will forget about Fallout 76 and Red Dead Online once Bethesda and Rockstar announce their new games.

Hell, there's still people hyped for Dragon Age 4!

I feel like people overestimate the influence the internet has on AAA video game sales. BFV was shat on for over a year and it still sold about 8 million copies by the end of 2018 lmao. 8 million copies for the worst Battlefield game ever made lmao. Consoomers gonna consoom.

I think Druckmann's working on a Last of Us show with HBO alongside the guy who did Chernobyl. If that ends up good, that'd probably repair the brand's image. Apparently, the show covers the events of the first game and they've discussed possibly later seasons going into the events of the second game. So I think there's a possibility that the show could rectify some of the game's mistakes.

Either way, I'm just not convinced that people aren't going to soy face and gobble whatever Sony throws their way if Naughty Dog shows up at E3 2026 and announces Last of Us 3.
 
Either way, I'm just not convinced that people aren't going to soy face and gobble whatever Sony throws their way if Naughty Dog shows up at E3 2026 and announces Last of Us 3.
They will because they always do. Sony doesn't even have to release a popular TV show to do it. Give some minor lipservice to the critics by saying "Guys we listened to what you wanted so here's TLOU3". Don't need to say what changed, how it changed or why it changed. Hell, it doesn't even need to actually change. Consoomers run the gaming industry and don't understand that their devout consumerism is what causes things to get worse in the first place.
 
Last job i worked at had a few muslims and two jews employed there too. People kept asking about my surname because it technically contains a spelling error but originated from a group of vagabonds who constantly chased off roman soldiers. Rearranging a few letters makes it sound jewish, so after years of constantly getting asked, I spread the false rumor that my family was actually jewish but changed their name to escape the Nazis.
Muslim colleagues started avoiding me with angry looks on their faces and my fellow tribesmen saw me as inferior, because my family didn’t stand up to their „heritage“.
Either way, it was funny to me while it lasted
There was a kid in high school that used to say all kinds of things 'originated in the concentration camps' according to his made up grandma's oral history. Will the class play heads up seven up? Nope, that's how they picked the poor tribesmen to get gassed. Rock paper scissors? Nope, that was how the poor tenants divvied up their meager rations in the warsaw ghetto. We had a private school, very proggy teacher who would trip all over herself apologizing for her internalized racism. It blows me away how gullible people are.

"Did you know that Edison didn't invent the lighbulb, it was actually originated in the egyptian court? One of the pharaoh's courtiers designed it but they didn't have reliable batteries so it was left alone." Is a fun litmus test for critical thought.



I don't think this game is doin' that great, it's like, 9th place on amazon's game section, getting it's ass kicked by gift cards and way older shit.
 
and there it is the gaymergait again

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He later has the balls to say "people already made their mind and refuse to play it just because they hate representation", dude people dont give a shit that abby is a tranny people is made that she is a piece of shit character that actually killed a likeable one

Edit to not doublepost: also a journalist having the balls to say that "you did not play the game" get fucked cunt your kind has a extensive record of never ever finishing a game

A game could be nothing but white noise and a deafening BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ but if for a microsecond an image of a woman and minority flashed on the screen these fuckers would say "YOU ONLY DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
Just got to the part where Abby killed Joel. Not really sure why they didn't kill Ellie too, that doesn't make much sense to me but whatever, maybe it'll be explained later since it looked like some people wanted to but others were stopping them. Are we supposed to not dislike Abby by this point? She's already been established as an extremely selfish, impulsive, manipulative and dishonest person with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

The gameplay is alright so far, I mean it doesn't have shit on stuff like RE or Dead Space but it's not bad. I'm playing on hard mode so I've actually died a couple times and that's a plus to me but you get a checkpoint after killing like 1 zombie in an area you're supposed to be stealthy in so if you die then you're put right back to like seconds before you died, that kind of defeats the purpose of an area being challenging. Like not fucking up and having to do the entire area in one shot is where the challenge comes in, keeping fuckups to either a minimum or having none at all, if given the choice between too many checkpoints and not enough, I'd probably choose not enough if challenge is what I want. It's not game-breaking but it's an issue. The stealth works well and the way area's are designed are good so far, there's obviously more than one way to go about clearing an area and the way things are set up like where the zombies are stationed and how they walk around is pretty fair, I haven't run into any unavoidable bullshit thus far. Like, it's simple, it's the bare minimum just like the first game but it's not bad.
 
I am not saying Nora diddnt deserved it, just that how it played out was meant to kill more sympathy for Ellie. The way she says "I made her talk" is Cuckmann telling rather than showing that Ellie is becoming more and more violent, more psychopathic, and more unhinged with each kill. Thats also why he saves Mel and Owen for last because he wants to finish with Ellie killing a preggo, then switch to Troon and end with you thinking it is going to kill the pregger jew but she doesnt. ExPeCtAtIoN sUbVeRtEd. The message he is trying to say is Ellie bad Troon good.

Making a by definition evil character good and relatable is incredibly hard for a writer, and Cuckmann in all of his impotent egotistical splendor steers head first into trying to not only make you hate "the hero" but also to make you love "the villain". This trope done right ends up being Sons of Anarchy, the Shield, or breaking bad. But Cuckmann is nowhere near as good of a writer as Sutter, and even those who pulled the trope off did not do it perfectly or gracefully.

TL;DR there is a reason the heroes journey is the most resiliant story telling trope in history. We love heroes and hate villains.
Heck even the first TLOU it was basically realizing that Joel is a bad guy by the end (to some degree) but pretty much everyone agrees he is somewhat justified. Who knew that when the world is in ruins that the line between right and wrong gets heavily blurred.
 
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