Sophie Labelle's Assigned Male - Original Thread - The Incredible Adventures of Stephie (Who Won't Shut Up About Being Trans)

[ChurchOfGodBear]

This comic came up in an unrelated discussion I had elsewhere on the internets. Apparently, a lot of trans people consider it "informative".

 

[AnOminous]

This comic came up in an unrelated discussion I had elsewhere on the internets. Apparently, a lot of trans people consider it "informative".

Well, isn't that problematic.

 

[RP 520]

This comic came up in an unrelated discussion I had elsewhere on the internets. Apparently, a lot of trans people consider it "informative".

They can kiss anyone taking them and their cause seriously goodbye then if they think shit like this will help them.

 

[GDT]

Spoiler

Because people totally choose who they are attracted to and what turns them on.

This is verbatim the ancient homophobic argument that gay people are just all about sex! Sex! It's all about the sex parts! Why aren't we focusing more on the SEX PARTS!?!? Which idiots like Labelle here like to trot out whenever someone doesn't wanna suck girlcock, instead of gracefully accepting that she's the exception and just cause genitals play a factor into attraction it doesn't mean us gays just do a pants check and are good to go.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

They can kiss anyone taking them and their cause seriously goodbye then if they think shit like this will help them.

Kind of my comment. If someone from inside or outside the cause uses this comic as informational, it'll do more harm than good.

After reading over a dozen of them, I still can't decide if it's intended to be read by children or adults.

This is verbatim the ancient homophobic argument that gay people are just all about sex! Sex! It's all about the sex parts! Why aren't we focusing more on the SEX PARTS!?!? Which idiots like Labelle here like to trot out whenever someone doesn't wanna suck girlcock, instead of gracefully accepting that she's the exception and just cause genitals play a factor into attraction it doesn't mean us gays just do a pants check and are good to go.

"Homosexuality is love between two people whose external genitals are the same."

... first thing this brat has said that I agree with.

 

[RP 520]

Kind of my comment. If someone from inside or outside the cause uses this comic as informational, it'll do more harm than good.

After reading over a dozen of them, I still can't decide if it's intended to be read by children or adults.

The author claims it's for children. The etsy the author runs has coloring books related to the issue and reviews of other crazy people pushing the comics/merchandise on kids.

Also it's printed on 100% recycled paper from Quebec. So it's environmentally friendly I guess.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

The author claims it's for children. The etsy the author runs has coloring books related to the issue and reviews of other crazy people pushing the comics/merchandise on kids.

And yet the trans people who were praising it said it's primary benefit was in explaining trans concepts to adults. Notwithstanding the fact that 99.99% of preteens don't give serious thought to this shit.

 

[Chubby_Penguin]

"Homosexuality is love between two people whose external genitals are the same."

... first thing this brat has said that I agree with.

Except she's trying to guilt the guy for it.

Most gays aren't attracted to transexuals, too fucking bad, kid. If they are then they're at least slightly bisexual or have a fluid sexuality.

"I don't care about YOUR hardships unless they include ME, ME, ME!!" Ironic, no?

 

[GDT]

Except she's trying to guilt the guy for it.

Most gays aren't attracted to transexuals, too fucking bad, kid. If they are then they're at least slightly bisexual or have a fluid sexuality.

"I don't care about YOUR hardships unless they include ME, ME, ME!!" Ironic, no?

And she's turning it into this bizarre "gotcha" where she pretends the only thing we care about is compatible genitalia.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Except she's trying to guilt the guy for it.

Most gays aren't attracted to transexuals, too fucking bad, kid. If they are then they're at least slightly bisexual or have a fluid sexuality.

"I don't care about YOUR hardships unless they include ME, ME, ME!!" Ironic, no?

Yeah, that's pretty shitty. If I were him, I'd just say people were free to be attracted or not attracted , to whomever they wanted. And if they were attracted to people with the same genitals, they get this label called "homosexual".

But then, I'm one of those asssholes who thinks we're making this shit too complicated.

 

[melty]

Did you know that the reason why blacks are dropping out of school is because they're not as manly as white people?

I like how we're supposed to see the MRAs as stupid for determining that the authors of an article that blames the drop-out rates of minorities on "the impossible standards of white patriarchy's masculinity" were feminists.

I had to read this like three times because of the horribly stilted dialogue. Try reading it out loud, especially the blonde guy's speech bubble. I have actually seen MRAs kinda use this excuse (and sometimes the reverse, if a study supports their beliefs and it's written by a feminist then it must be extra true) and seriously, this is the best example she could come up with? Like you said it makes perfect sense that's their conclusion too, if I read a study on dropout rates that ended with that, or hell just included it anywhere I would think it was written by feminists too.

The homosexual teacher comic grinds my gears the most of them all I think. She just has to hijack someone else's tolerance speech to insert her own agenda. Nevermind that apparently gay kids are getting bullied at her school (or something) she just has to tear down the one person who might actually make a real difference because he had the gall to confuse "sex" and "gender" (which I confuse all the time, because I don't give a shit, nor do most people)

ETA: Don't a lot of trans people take offense that their partner is sometimes considered gay, like if an mtf person and a cis male are in a relationship? Don't they usually consider that a heterosexual relationship? Yet in this comic she's mad that it's not considered homosexual. I can only assume because it deprives her of extra oppression points

 

[MayMay]

They find it informative?

Oh hell, now I'm starting to feel like a German living in WW2-era France!

 

[pickledance]

Agreed @MayMay most actual trans people I know generally admit they didn't feel the wrong gender until after puberty started, but also worried that that information, that they were't born knowing they were trans, might be used against them and often opted to just say they "all ways knew".

I have no issue with people who hit puberty and start getting dysphoria, but this comic is already so fucking toxic that it really didn't need that on top.

 

[Red]

Agreed @MayMay most actual trans people I know generally admit they didn't feel the wrong gender until after puberty started, but also worried that that information, that they were't born knowing they were trans, might be used against them and often opted to just say they "all ways knew".

I have no issue with people who hit puberty and start getting dysphoria, but this comic is already so fucking toxic that it really didn't need that on top.

Very much this. I wholeheartedly agree.
Gonna get personal here: one of my dearest friends is female-to-male transgender, and he didn't realize until later in his teenage years. Attitudes like the one shown in this shitstain excuse for a comic are what, essentially, completely isolated him from the trans community. He went through a long period of deep depression and self-doubt about his gender because all of these social-justice paragons that do not understand the vast differences between people and their identities.
Assigned Male is not presenting anything new or informative. It is a strawman piece that appeals to the very echo-chamber that inspired it, and nothing more.

 

[AnOminous]

Very much this. I wholeheartedly agree.
Gonna get personal here: one of my dearest friends is female-to-male transgender, and he didn't realize until later in his teenage years. Attitudes like the one shown in this shitstain excuse for a comic are what, essentially, completely isolated him from the trans community. He went through a long period of deep depression and self-doubt about his gender because all of these social-justice paragons that do not understand the vast differences between people and their identities.
Assigned Male is not presenting anything new or informative. It is a strawman piece that appeals to the very echo-chamber that inspired it, and nothing more.

As rough as it always has been to grow up trans, and despite the fact that it is probably better now than it has been in the past, at least previously someone would know that someone shitting on them for it was one of the bad guys. I can't imagine what it is like to have these "tucute" scumbags posing as what you actually are who instead kick you when you're down. It's disgusting.

 

[melty]

There is a theory, of sorts that some of these "tucute" people are actually anti trans trying to derail trans activism through impressionable people through tumblr. Tumblr tries to accept marginalized groups, giving certain people free reign to not have their ideas questioned. They claim gender is a choice and you don't need dysphoria or surgery, whereas actual trans people struggle to get hormones and say that it's not a choice to them. The tucutes make it look like a trendy thing people grow out of by changing their gender every two weeks and then eventually saying they were cis all along.
I dunno I thought it was interesting.

 

[TM Ambrose]

To get a little personal I didn't recognize how I felt about my gender until I was well into high school and I didn't come out about it until my senior year. The main thing that really bothered me was that I was working in theater and had recently started jazz dance, and it was around this time I started to actually grow in height and muscle mass. I was really bothered by it and kinda felt disgusting mots of the time. I've had issues since then dealing with my body. A lot of the BS on tumblr is actually really offensive because it's similar to the "Homosexuals choose to be gay" stuff. It's basically saying you choose to be looked down on and oppressed (though it's not as bad as it used to be). It's like ADF saying he's transblack and is being discriminated against because of his race (though not exactly. It's not the best comparison but I think it's the closest one to be understood).

 

[Cosmos]

As rough as it always has been to grow up trans, and despite the fact that it is probably better now than it has been in the past, at least previously someone would know that someone shitting on them for it was one of the bad guys. I can't imagine what it is like to have these "tucute" scumbags posing as what you actually are who instead kick you when you're down. It's disgusting.

That's what really disgusts me about tucutes and transtrenders; they treat gender identity like an accessory that can be changed at any time with no consequences. It's the same shit that people who fake having mental illnesses for attention pull; they get to prance around and get all of the sympathy and attention that comes with having a mental illness/being trans while not actually experiencing the downsides that come with belonging to a stigmatized group (not to mention the fact that mental illnesses and gender dysphoria fuck up your life).

What's really disgusting is that people like Sophia (the author of this shitshow) glom onto terms like "truscum," which are used to insult and demean people who insist that, in order to be transgender, you should probably experience some kind of body/gender dysphoria that makes you want to be another gender (because if you don't feel that discomfort and unhappiness, why change genders in the first place?). To give Sophia credit, she's genuinely transgender, but most of the people who hurl abuse and vitriol at "truscum" are bratty teenagers who are totally fine with their vaginas/penises and don't want to do any transitioning of any kind, but also demand to be referred to as "glitterself" or "foxself."

I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone like that pops up in this comic. It might be entertaining to see Stephie make a friend whose pronouns change every other day and who becomes extremely offended when Stephie can't read xir/fleur/xhemuguvvy's mind and keep up with the constant pronoun changes.

 

[Airgetlam]

Spoiler

Because people totally choose who they are attracted to and what turns them on.

It's almost like the author is advocating demonizing strawpeople who are still shat on by society but don't conform to arbitrary unwritten rules that even most LGBT people don't understand or something.

Also, drawing the gay guy as the stereotypical metrosexual in a comic nominally about promoting social awareness.

 

[AnOminous]

Also, drawing the gay guy as the stereotypical metrosexual in a comic nominally about promoting social awareness.

Mr. Garrison in South Park was probably a more informative portrayal of trans people.