World of Warcraft Rank 1 Player Reckful Commits Suicide

[Ghostse]

Also its quite surreal seeing my mutuals on my timeline bitching about people making fun of reckfuls death and mental illness are the same people who used to be the same edgy shitlords as the people they're bitching about

You either die an edgelord or live long enough to become a normie.

 

[JEB!]

Damn I was planning to do it near a body of water if I decide to suicide just so it wouldn't be found.

Water tends to spit up corpses eventually, often on public beaches.

The ocean would probably be your best bet if really never wanted to be found. You'd just have to find anchor yourself to the seafloor so your bloated body doesn't float up before its picked clean.

NSFW: pig being turned into nothing but bones after only a week on the seafloor

Caged pig forensic experiment in the ocean

Dead pigs are used as models for human decomposition so that we can understand what happens to a body in the ocean as it decays, and use this information to ...

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[GenociderSyo]

I would love someone like @Ken Jennings who has experience in the field to chime in on his ethics. I like his mission and what he wants to do but conducting psychodynamic talk therapy covering streamers traumas is unethical and dangerous. He claims it is not therapy cause he is not diagnosing and its just a conversation. As a result there can not be informed consent for what he is doing. In the case of Reckful he exposed him to this psychodynamic aproach and new ways of looking at things. He did six sessions on stream and was going to continue but since it was telehealth was unable to because he was not licensed in Texas. Funny cause with stuff like counseling they relaxed those restrictions, but I am guessing him being a pHD made it not possible. No video could give enough context but someone with experience in the field can spot it instantly.

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In his own words. Its total bullshit and coming from a Harvard Graduate inexcusable.

I have yet to watch any Dr. K streams, but it took months to get allowance to go to teletherapy in the wake of Covid. From just this post I don't think its ethical what he does. If I understand correctly that he does hour long streams and then "diagnoses and gives advice" then it is quite unethical and borders on being able to have a license revoked. You can't do a 1 hour stream with someone and know their history or give any advice. The fact he calls himself Dr immediately adds in a power differential where hes going to be the one in power in those coversations. May take a look at his Reckful stream and see what principles he breaks in it.

 

[Broseph]

Well I do think this Reckful dude's suicide is pretty tragic since he struggled with bipolar disorder and everything, if he had actually married his gf then he would've eventually wanted to kill himself anyway like all married men do.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

Things like this makes me want to choke all those "my bipolar illness makes me just so random lol" types you see on twatter and tumblr.

Having bipolar disorder is like being possessed. There's nothing cute about it, nothing fun or "lol random" other than the chaos and destruction a manic episode can bring. The tricks you learn and the medication can only do so much before being overwhelmed when the god personality kicks in followed the sad sack of shit feelings.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Things like this makes me want to choke all those "my bipolar illness makes me just so random lol" types you see on twatter and tumblr.

Having bipolar disorder is like being possessed. There's nothing cute about it, nothing fun or "lol random" other than the chaos and destruction a manic episode can bring. The tricks you learn and the medication can only do so much before being overwhelmed when the god personality kicks in followed the sad sack of shit feelings.

Never will get why current society is to pretend to have mental illness. The entire reality of mental illness is its diagnosed because it causes distress and functional issues. Which means none of these tumblerinas and twitter users would ever have gone to be diagnosed in the first place by a real doctor.

 

[an kamel]

I have yet to watch any Dr. K streams, but it took months to get allowance to go to teletherapy in the wake of Covid. From just this post I don't think its ethical what he does. If I understand correctly that he does hour long streams and then "diagnoses and gives advice" then it is quite unethical and borders on being able to have a license revoked. You can't do a 1 hour stream with someone and know their history or give any advice. The fact he calls himself Dr immediately adds in a power differential where hes going to be the one in power in those coversations. May take a look at his Reckful stream and see what principles he breaks in it.

He has a disclaimer every stream against taking his stuff as diagnosis and medical treatment and he constantly urges those in need to get help, and he thankfully has an education and is not a "lifecoach" lol. What he feels in his heart of hearts is of course impossible to know, maybe it's just a psycho powertrip for him, who knows.

I'm open to it being unethical to make neets cry live on twitch, but it does seem like he cares and kids on twitch, in my opinion, could use whatever humanity they can get because they are in the throws of the very worst that consoomer society has to offer. Consider what they do with their time; constantly sucking eceleb dick and living vicariously through advertisers pretending to be their friends, encouraging escapism, giving money to suck dick without even playing the games. Most guests in recent times have been popular streamers so that, to me, makes it more ethical since he's not "doxxing" some random neets problems who might regret it hard down the line.

Edit: One danger I see with him is the cult-likeness which also develops along other streamers. I guess my impression of him is that he is the lesser of two evils, the other being "PLZ LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE LoL FAILZ, BUY MY T-SHIRT" for young people consoomin' all day long.

He also appears to be anti-rape which is a plus from anyone involved in gaming these days lol.

 

[Tovarisz]

Never will get why current society is to pretend to have mental illness. The entire reality of mental illness is its diagnosed because it causes distress and functional issues. Which means none of these tumblerinas and twitter users would ever have gone to be diagnosed in the first place by a real doctor.

Being mentally sound has consequences like not having an excuse not to be personally responsible for oneself and their actions.

People want to cry into their pillow and yell and scream, punch holes in walls and abuse others for their own failures and say "but I'm mentally unwell stop judging" because it's far, faaaaar easier than having to man up and take responsibility.

The worst side effect of that mentality is at this point people with actual mental issues are having a harder and harder time getting help as schedules of professionals get clogged up by overgrown kids having panic attacks because life isn't always rainbows and/or Orange Man Exists.

 

[WhenIPoopItHurts]

I have yet to watch any Dr. K streams, but it took months to get allowance to go to teletherapy in the wake of Covid. From just this post I don't think its ethical what he does. If I understand correctly that he does hour long streams and then "diagnoses and gives advice" then it is quite unethical and borders on being able to have a license revoked. You can't do a 1 hour stream with someone and know their history or give any advice. The fact he calls himself Dr immediately adds in a power differential where hes going to be the one in power in those coversations. May take a look at his Reckful stream and see what principles he breaks in it.

So he specifically does not diagnose mental illnesses. He will diagnose the issues facing you and then make huge leaps to tie them into someone's childhood experiences (psychodynamic) and give advice on that. Rathe then diagnose someone, he will bring up a disorder and discuss and describe it to the person while saying "I am not diagnosing you or anything.

Example with Reckful : https://youtu.be/TmPjGyvELRc?t=2215

Edit: In Florida, and I thought nationally they really expedited telehealth as long as you got a secure conference program which meant forking out a bit of money. This is LMHC type stuff though, medical boards would not I am assuming and seeing as he has a PhD and private psychotherapy practice that is what his work falls under, either way, he didn't get a texas counseling license.

 

[WhenIPoopItHurts]

He has a disclaimer every stream against taking his stuff as diagnosis and medical treatment and he constantly urges those in need to get help, and he thankfully has an education and is not a "lifecoach" lol.

A disclaimer is just that a disclaimer. He provides therapy. He knows it His education and experience is the very thing that makes it so it is something he should know not to do.

What he feels in his heart of hearts is of course impossible to know, maybe it's just a psycho powertrip for him, who knows.

Caring and motives have nothing to do wit the ethics and results here. Ethics can be pretty feasible be defended or established as lacking, the effects can never really be quantifiable and that is the very point. Should he this involved in peoples story. I contend no.

Edit: One danger I see with him is the cult-likeness which also develops along other streamers. I guess my impression of him is that he is the lesser of two evils, the other being "PLZ LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE LoL FAILZ, BUY MY T-SHIRT" for young people consoomin' all day long.

Cult you say?

He also appears to be anti-rape which is a plus from anyone involved in gaming these days lol.

I mean, that should be the default.

 

[an kamel]

A disclaimer is just that a disclaimer. He provides therapy. He knows it His education and experience is the very thing that makes it so it is something he should know not to do.

Caring and motives have nothing to do wit the ethics and results here. Ethics can be pretty feasible be defended or established as lacking, the effects can never really be quantifiable and that is the very point. Should he this involved in peoples story. I contend no.

Cult you say?



I mean, that should be the default.

I think that's fair, especially your first point. I am curious though, from a consequentialist point of view, do you not think its good that finally something other than escapism, however shallow and dubious it might be, is pushed to the monitors of millions of kids watching twitch? I ask you to consider the daily media diet these people are on and the long-term ramifications of being a person like that. I would rather my kid be a 4chan nazi, an sjw communist, or a wahabi muslim, than a person who just binges twitch all day. At least it requires one to actually read something.

Its hard to think of something more braindead and un-educational than watching some guy play videogames for hours, day after day after day. Even being in prison seems more fulfilling and healthy.

Either the kids can watch a stream about being better, dealing with ones crap, facing reality with eDaddy Dr. K-sama uwu, however shallow it might be, or they can watch ecelebs play videogames for the nth time, reinforcing a culture which almost seems to glorify unproductivity and which discourages doing hard things for the long-term.

A cult might make you cut your friends off, another will encourage you to cut your balls off, another will require you to clean your dick. A cult is still a cult, and should be recognized as such. I guess I should be careful not to downplay that, it is just that I have this intense hatred for people making 6 sometimes 7 figures of the Amerikanski dollars by making literally kids waste their foundational years, years which are of neurological and social importance for the rest of their lives, on the most passive braindead shit imaginable. Twitch is a training ground for paypiggies and a highway to a graveyard of broken meaningless lives.

And yes, anti-rape should be the default, especially when you have an audience of gullible young people who worship you for doing nothing.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

Quarterpounder makes a video on said man. OH BOY!

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Quarterpounder makes a video on said man. OH BOY!

He's balding hard, holy shit.

 

[WhenIPoopItHurts]

I think that's fair, especially your first point. I am curious though, from a consequentialist point of view, do you not think its good that finally something other than escapism, however shallow and dubious it might be, is pushed to the monitors of millions of kids watching twitch? I ask you to consider the daily media diet these people are on and the long-term ramifications of being a person like that. I would rather my kid be a 4chan nazi, an sjw communist, or a wahabi muslim, than a person who just binges twitch all day. At least it requires one to actually read something.

Its hard to think of something more braindead and un-educational than watching some guy play videogames for hours, day after day after day. Even being in prison seems more fulfilling and healthy.

Either the kids can watch a stream about being better, dealing with ones crap, facing reality with eDaddy Dr. K-sama uwu, however shallow it might be, or they can watch ecelebs play videogames for the nth time, reinforcing a culture which almost seems to glorify unproductivity and which discourages doing hard things for the long-term.

A cult might make you cut your friends off, another will encourage you to cut your balls off, another will require you to clean your dick. A cult is still a cult, and should be recognized as such. I guess I should be careful not to downplay that, it is just that I have this intense hatred for people making 6 sometimes 7 figures of the Amerikanski dollars by making literally kids waste their foundational years, years which are of neurological and social importance for the rest of their lives, on the most passive braindead shit imaginable. Twitch is a training ground for paypiggies and a highway to a graveyard of broken meaningless lives.

And yes, anti-rape should be the default, especially when you have an audience of gullible young people who worship you for doing nothing.

Ok, so for me this is an issue of ethics. I have spent a lot of term personally advocating locally in regard to removing the stigma of mental illness. From presenting to dealing with politicians. I love seeing it talked about like this. But it is unethical the way he is doing it, and doing it the right way will not make the benefits disappear. Engaging in psychodynamic talk therapy is dangerous the way he does.


The following are exerts from the American Psychiatric Association’s code of ethics

A psychiatrist shall not gratify his or her own needs by exploiting the patient. The psychiatrist shall be ever vigilant about the impact that his or her conduct has upon the boundaries of the doctor–patient relationship, and thus upon the well-being of the patient. These requirements become particularly important because of the essentially private, highly personal, and sometimes intensely emotional nature of the relationship established with the psychiatrist
>Pg 3. Under the header Principles with Annotations

Whether the intention or not, broadcasting his therapy is directly tied into the growth of his channel and his potential income. You can argue its totally altruistic to spread his message but it does not detach form his financial gain. Reckful was hands down the biggest “Get” of a streamer at that point and he did SIX sessions with him. To think the tought of it growing his channel didn’t cross his mind would be naive. The mere fact that it is an issue to be considered pushes into unethical territory

>10. With regard for the person’s dignity and privacy and with truly informed consent, it is ethical to present a patient to a scientific gathering if the confidentiality of the presentation is understood and accepted by the audience.
>Pg 10

This one sort of doesn’t apply its about presenting to a scientific gathering, but Dr. K presents to a gathering none the less. “Truly Informed Consent” Is the key word here, we will touch on it in the next and most important code in the ethics for our matters.

>4. In informing a patient of treatment options, the psychiatrist should assist the patient in identifying relevant options that promote an informed treatment decision, including those that are not available from the psychiatrist or from the organization with which the psychiatrist is affiliated.
>Pg 10

An “informed decision” this is what informed consent is all about. It’s the permission granted in the knowledge of the possible consequences, typically that which is given by a patient to a doctor for treatment with full knowledge of the possible risks and benefits. Dr. K denies he even does therapy making informed consent impossible, they do not even understand the nature of the therapy he administers. One that involves linking childhood experiences and make them aware of unconscious thoughts and motives. Its not something to be used lightly.

Alot of this boils down to his claim that this is not treatment,

Again pulling from his ownAmerican Psychiatric Association’s code of ethics

An ethical psychiatrist may refuse to provide psychiatric treatment to a person who, in the psychiatrist’s opinion, cannot be diagnosed as having a mental illness amenable to psychiatric treatment.

That does not mean they have to have a diagnosis, it doesn't even mean they have to diagnose. In fact, it clearly states they can treat someone without a diagnosable condition but they can ethically refuse as well. So his entire basis of "no diagnosis, no treatment" is completely blown out of the water by his own ethics board.

Like I said, regardless of the net sum total of his actions. If you are pretending you aren't treating people, then informed consent is impossible, and that principle supersedes EVERYTHING. That is why the code of ethics exists, they are the principles to guide judgment. The Code of conduct exist for this action bad, this action good. The principles laid forth by an ethical code transcend that.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Of course Asmogold made a reaction video.

"Asmogold learns about Reckful's death"

 

[EmpireOfTheClouds]

Bipolar is no joke.

It really isn't.

People are saying that he was in a manic episode during those tweets, which seems very likely.

Spoiler: Kinda powerlevelly armchair diagnosis stuff

I suffer from bipolar type II so I can't relate my own experiences to this guy but.

This sounds like it happened in a mixed episode. The proposal and his an heroing not even 3 hours earlier are so yin and yang that it's my only possible explanation for such a thing happening.

it's stuff like this why mental health needs to actually be taken seriously.

But with people actually going out of their way to romanticize it, or expecting you to suck their dicks for being mentally ill, it seems like that's far off.

The reaction to his death has been.... well I don't know what I expected.

• 'We just need to force more positivity, ban all negativity'
• 'Just shout down people that disagree with you if you think they are toxic'
• *uses death to attempt to start a conservation on why this is all actually about racism*
• 'People just need to be better; No social media isn't the problem'

All these 'solutions' to prevent more suicides I am hearing are just going to drive more people to suicide in the long term.

I've been saying for a while now that those "solutions" only make problems worse 90 percent of the time.

Things like this makes me want to choke all those "my bipolar illness makes me just so random lol" types you see on twatter and tumblr.

Having bipolar disorder is like being possessed. There's nothing cute about it, nothing fun or "lol random" other than the chaos and destruction a manic episode can bring. The tricks you learn and the medication can only do so much before being overwhelmed when the god personality kicks in followed the sad sack of shit feelings.

Yep, I have it and it's not fucking fun at all.

 

[TokiBun]

I can feel for this guy. It makes me ask so many questions: was he medicated for his bipolar disorder? Did he have a decent support network in his personal life? We may never know. I feel horrible for his ex though. The rest of her life she’s going to think this was her fault when it wasn’t. It was really shitty of him to “propose” to her on twitter and then kill himself. People who pull something like that usually do it out of spite.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I'm not bipolar but I have constant unhappy emotions and I constantly feel like taking my life because there's so little warmth or joy especially when you consider the future and this shit just makes me cry so hard. The universe is a machine of despair and suffering and I wish it all would just stop. I am glad the farms aren't just giggling over this guy's death. Maybe twitter and stuff is too woke for this, but the farms? I think a lot of people here know the ensuing messages about "oh how could this happen!" are all coming from people that would not have given a shit if he had came to them. It's always wonderful to see a suicide and all the people virtue signaling after when everyone who is depressed knows not a single friend truly gives a shit about them. I'm sorry guys I was already in a pathetic state of mind and reading about this guy committing suicide... I don't know this guy or anything but god

in the tweets he also says "i haven't seen her in 6 months"
so yeah i guess she had broken up with him quite a while ago, and he couldn't get over it

Not a more potent pain in the world.

I've been saying for a while now that those "solutions" only make problems worse 90 percent of the time.

as someone whose life is dominated by fears and depression with few things to hold on to I can tell you that the vast majority of people posturing about this are the kind of people that would never in a million years give this guy the time of day or be a shoulder for him to cry on or whatever.

as with most on the farms it's no secret I hate the woke bullshit and let me tell you, in all dimensions the woke people are the cruellest, least caring people you'll ever meet. depressed? The woke people will make fun of you about it to your face and egg you on. I guarantee other Kiwis have felt and seen the same in their lives. The sob sisters are the sickest people on Earth.

 

[WhenIPoopItHurts]

I've been saying for a while now that those "solutions" only make problems worse 90 percent of the time.

It;s almost always a poor decision when your solution is to change the behavior of others, something you really can't control. Negativity will always and has always existed.

It's much more effective to focus on the things people can control, their own reaction and emotions to the negativity. Think of it this way. The same actions elicit different reactions from different people; not everyone has the same reaction to the same "toxicity." Those emotions are less a result of the action, and more a result of one's expectations and beliefs, which vary from person to person. This is a good thing because we are in control of that while controlling others is almost always futile. Does not mean promoting a positive environment shouldn't happen but if the solution is "everyone needs to stop x now" then it really isn't a solution.

edit: Kinda hard to read, don't feel like rewording it though, also I wouldn't apply this line of thinking to children being bullied, we are talking about grown adults who voluntarily put themselves on exhibition and then consume the content of those criticizing them. Many purposefully feed it for gain as well when it suits them.

 

[Dumbchan]

Bipolar disorder is hell to deal with. My family are troopers when I go through my episodes, however I was diagnosed when I was 19.

I actually didn't remember who Reckful was until i researched alittle. I played WoW since 2007 but I never gave pvp any interest.

I saw the tweet during Asmongold's stream.