Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Elwood P. Dowd]

LOLsuit incoming.
Apparently SJW's aren't happy about their whisper network getting "Melissa morgued" so they are assmad and threatening to sue.
Let's see how this plays out.

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What damages have any of them suffered? Marvel, DC, Image, etc., still all either employ or contract with them all, AFAIK. In a very real sense I think you could say this "Whisper Network" IS the US comic book/capeshit industry at this point, especially if they have somebody like Sana Amanat, who has Marvel's EIC's balls in her purse, as a member. (Not sure if that is the case, TBF. The membership in the group. Not the balls in the purse. That bit we all know.)

And as others have mentioned, holy crap, would NEED video of discovery.

 

[jspit]

Zack also has a movie review channel under the alt Splatto Del Gato. This might've been common knowledge but I didn't know until one of them randomly appeared in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9HBtG6DWjs7zzmxL5IuyPw/videos

He'll watch a single movie in bits over a month or two and then tell us whether its any good. Or he'll review a movie he saw 15 years ago. Sometimes it seems like he never even bothered watching the movie he's reviewing. Zack don't care.

I know, his taste in movies is shit. That doesn't preclude Splatto from being entertaining. What precludes Splatto from being entertaining is his lack of passion about cinema and his dearth of insight. You can compensate by hacking into a fandom gate like Frog did or being a weirdo sperg like Doomcock. But Splatto doesn't do that either.

Splatto is a failed attempt to diversify his YT and it doesn't work because the tism freakouts and passion/insight for comics isn't there.

The over the top sperg out reactions to his videos from the usual suspects eighteen months to two years ago was kind of half the fun, at least, wasn't it?

His vids were fun. Watch them. He has tism rage, goes into detail about why they don't work with detailed analysis, and his passion bleeds. Compare that to these mechanically, bloodless videos....

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Excellent find! To my knowledge this is the first headsketch of any campaign going to ebay and I've been eagerly awaiting to see how they'd perform. Most of the big name books do appreciate, so far standard $25 versions of Bigfoot Bill and Earthworm Jim hold the record by selling as high as $200-$300 respectively.

Still no bids on the relisted auction. Surprising.

Cyberfrog Blood Honey Signed & Head sketch Ethan Van Sciver Cyberfrog Bloodhoney | eBay

Comicsgate Comics gate Cyberfrog Cyber Frog Bloodhoney Chromium Indiegogo Comic. Cyberfrog Blood Honey Signed and Head sketch, by Ethan Van Sciver with Ashcans.

www.ebay.com

 

[FROG]

Thats just what he sells the interior pages to customers for. My guess is to commission a cover from him would cost around 1k also. Somewhere in this thread he claims he did the CG cover artwork for people for free and he also didn't charge Jordan Peterson for the pages he drew for that book.

I don't think EVS really does commissions anymore. The last time he did was early 2018 I think he charged $400 for a single character.

Not unreasonable pricing. He doesnt appear to be out to screw anyone with oppressive pricing but he doesn't do much concept art for commercial work either.

I don't know how much he sold the original covers for you'd have to ask him. My guess is it was a private deal so we may never know for sure.
Ro posed naked with the EVS cover of Vestige #1 and like I said I'm pretty sure he did that at no charge.
Nasser might be able to tell us if he was charged for the EVS trading card that was done for his book and if he got the original art for it.

Original covers for CyberFrog Bloodhoney sold very quickly, all of them, for between $10,000 and $20,000.

I did charge Jordan Peterson to draw 12 Rules. I think I got $15K to do 12 illustrations, which seemed more than fair. There were no royalties, and I gave him the original art as a gift. I kinda wished I had negotiated 1% of sales or something, because who knew that book would be a best seller for that long?

Peterson asked me to do the sequel, offered a pay bump, but I just can't afford to do it right now.

I don't do commissions. I don't charge ComicsGaters to do covers. I can't take money from these indie creators. It feels wrong.

So I don't do covers or art for other people very often, and when I do, I figure I'll just sell the original and pay myself that way. I'm happy to take money from wealthy art collectors in exchange for my originals.

I drew the cover for VESTIGE for free, and then sold them the original art for $1000. They earned more than $50,000 on their campaign after they displayed it.

CYBERFROG has completely priced me out of the comics industry. Nobody can afford to pay me what I can pay myself by doing Frog books.

Still no bids on the relisted auction. Surprising.

Cyberfrog Blood Honey Signed & Head sketch Ethan Van Sciver Cyberfrog Bloodhoney | eBay

Comicsgate Comics gate Cyberfrog Cyber Frog Bloodhoney Chromium Indiegogo Comic. Cyberfrog Blood Honey Signed and Head sketch, by Ethan Van Sciver with Ashcans.

www.ebay.com

Is that your auction? I'll let people know about it!

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Is that your auction? I'll let people know about it!

No, not mine but a few people who speculated on the headsketches are interested in watching it. That's it's 2nd listing, the first went 7 days without a single bid with a price below the original cost. Not a good look for the 2500 $200 Honeycomb boxes that were sold on the premise they would be worth 5-10x that on eBay.

I posted the original listing here the moment it ended and we were certain that once attention was brought to it here that it would be scooped up quickly if for no other reason than to save face but that didn't even happen.

I'm surprised you weren't aware of it. Every possible keyword is included so it's impossible to miss for anyone searching anything related to you.

[EDIT: I added the last sentence while Frog was typing his reply below, he wasn't ignoring it]

 

[FROG]

No, not mine but a few people who invested in the headsketches are interested in watching it. That's it's 2nd listing, the first went 7 days without a single bid with a price below the original cost. Not a good look for the 2500 $200 Honeycomb boxes that were sold on the premise they would be worth 5-10x that on eBay.

I posted the original listing here the moment it ended and we were certain that once attention was brought to it here that it would be scooped up quickly if for no other reason than to save face but that didn't even happen.

Oh sure. Our eBay store was SLAMMED during the REKT PLANET funding period, and at the moment it's kind of slowed down. We're selling one or two books per day on eBay. It's just kind of a lull right now, and probably will be until I begin shipping UNFROGETTABLE TALES this week.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Irony:

CYBERFROG is my IP. I pay the people who work on it better than mainstream rates, and I pay them IMMEDIATELY upon my satisfaction with the work via paypal.

I did charge Jordan Peterson to draw 12 Rules. I think I got $15K to do 12 illustrations, which seemed more than fair. There were no royalties, and I gave him the original art as a gift. I kinda wished I had negotiated 1% of sales or something, because who knew that book would be a best seller for that long?

 

[FROG]

Definition of irony:

Yep, that's work-for-hire. That's why people who want to make more money should be creating their own projects, rather than assisting with other people's projects for a quick paycheck. The IP owner will always win out.

CYBERFROG pvc is done. This is the paint master.

Amazing to get these into reality. I'll have the Salamandroid soon.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

CYBERFROG pvc is done. This is the paint master.

Amazing to get these into reality. I'll have the Salamandroid soon.

For the next pic put a quarter next to it to reference size.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Yep, that's work-for-hire. That's why people who want to make more money should be creating their own projects, rather than assisting with other people's projects for a quick paycheck. The IP owner will always win out.

Jordan Peterson was able to buy at least 1 million Xanax tablets with the cash your illustrations made him. 12k for 12 drawings? Hell of a good deal considering you got zero cut of the profits.

Oh sure. Our eBay store was SLAMMED during the REKT PLANET funding period, and at the moment it's kind of slowed down. We're selling one or two books per day on eBay. It's just kind of a lull right now, and probably will be until I begin shipping UNFROGETTABLE TALES this week.

Considering the Salamandroid chromium variants are $100 each I gotta pass. It's too bad the honeycomb box is sold out you finally convinced me to buy one looking at these ebay auctions.

Original covers for CyberFrog Bloodhoney sold very quickly, all of them, for between $10,000 and $20,000.

I did charge Jordan Peterson to draw 12 Rules. I think I got $15K to do 12 illustrations, which seemed more than fair. There were no royalties, and I gave him the original art as a gift. I kinda wished I had negotiated 1% of sales or something, because who knew that book would be a best seller for that long?

Peterson asked me to do the sequel, offered a pay bump, but I just can't afford to do it right now.

I don't do commissions. I don't charge ComicsGaters to do covers. I can't take money from these indie creators. It feels wrong.

So I don't do covers or art for other people very often, and when I do, I figure I'll just sell the original and pay myself that way. I'm happy to take money from wealthy art collectors in exchange for my originals.

I drew the cover for VESTIGE for free, and then sold them the original art for $1000. They earned more than $50,000 on their campaign after they displayed it.

CYBERFROG has completely priced me out of the comics industry. Nobody can afford to pay me what I can pay myself by doing Frog books.

Whoever bought the "our heroes" variant cover just listed it on eBay for 15k starting bid, 25k buy it now. They paid 10k for it originally. Whoever it is has a low seller rating and it's their only auction. 5k profit seems kinda greedy I hope the idiot can afford holding onto it for a while and didn't do it as a chance for an easy flip. The cheap bastard didn't even have it gallery framed, they put it in a basic Michael's BOGO frame. Miami florida...

Let me just explain how stupid this is. If you're paying 10k for a cover that's about all it's worth. You better believe Van Sciver is maximizing his profit at this point and he's not giving out sweetheart deals like he was 3+ years ago. If you're buying this cover for 10k you better really love EVS's work and be ready to hold onto this for a long time, like the rest of your life. Unless you're a gallery [that gets a pretty sizeable discount] or a dealer [that has an arrangement to sell the work for a %] trying to flip original art is retarded.
If I DMed Ethan and said "hey pal ill send you 10k dollars if you reserve a cover from your next campaign for me" he would probably accept because that's an easy sale he doesnt have to give IGG a cut of. Meaning he keeps the full 10k.
No fucking way this dude manages a 5k dollar profit on this artwork. Artists who overprice their work usually end up sitting on it for years. It's just a drawing, you can make more. No need to overprice. However this Miami guy CAN'T make more. He's only got the one. Hopefully no one buys it so this faggot can't try the same shit on the next campaign.
Art collector? Wealthy van sciver fan? Go for it but hoping to resell original art is retarded as hell.

No, not mine but a few people who speculated on the headsketches are interested in watching it. That's it's 2nd listing, the first went 7 days without a single bid with a price below the original cost. Not a good look for the 2500 $200 Honeycomb boxes that were sold on the premise they would be worth 5-10x that on eBay.

I posted the original listing here the moment it ended and we were certain that once attention was brought to it here that it would be scooped up quickly if for no other reason than to save face but that didn't even happen.

I'm surprised you weren't aware of it. Every possible keyword is included so it's impossible to miss for anyone searching anything related to you.

[EDIT: I added the last sentence while Frog was typing his reply below, he wasn't ignoring it]

COVID makes for a slow market anyway. A lot of people don't have a bunch of extra cash to throw around speculating on comics prices. When Ethan sold that bundle for $100 he was making a huge profit. Everyone who bought one got a cool looking comic and a pretty sweet cyberfrog headsketch. It's too early to flip it because everyone who wanted one got it during the campaign. If they were selling for a profit you'd see a lot more listed.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

Original covers for CyberFrog Bloodhoney sold very quickly, all of them, for between $10,000 and $20,000.

I did charge Jordan Peterson to draw 12 Rules. I think I got $15K to do 12 illustrations, which seemed more than fair. There were no royalties, and I gave him the original art as a gift. I kinda wished I had negotiated 1% of sales or something, because who knew that book would be a best seller for that long?

Peterson asked me to do the sequel, offered a pay bump, but I just can't afford to do it right now.

You announced on a livestream that you were doing the sequel.

A few weeks later you bitched on a livestream that Peterson's people were emailing asking for updates on the work.

A few days after that JPB tweeted about an opening for a new illustrator for his book.

Be honest, you simply never got around to doing the work and they dumped your ass because unlike the small indie creators like the Oddity guys who you dicked around and delivered their cover late, Peterson doesn't need you.

 

[Analog Devolved]

You announced on a livestream that you were doing the sequel.

A few weeks later you bitched on a livestream that Peterson's people were emailing asking for updates on the work.

A few days after that JPB tweeted about an opening for a new illustrator for his book.

Be honest, you simply never got around to doing the work and they dumped your ass because unlike the small indie creators like the Oddity guys who you dicked around and delivered their cover late, Peterson doesn't need you.

Gah, I hate defending Van Sciver but you're wrong here Vikki.
EVS doesn't need Jordan Peterson its not the other way around. Ethan got ass raped doing 12 illustrations for 12k for a book that sold over a million copies. Ethan should have made 100k off that deal.
He's over a million bucks drawing the only thing he wants to, robotic frog comics and his OA is going for 10k+ for multiple variant covers.

Why would he do another deal with JBP when he could draw 12 variant covers for his next comic and make 120k?
He's not lying when he says he priced himself out of the business. He's turning fine art gallery profits without having to pay the gallery.

JBP can't afford him anymore. His next book isn't guaranteed to sell as well and why waste time on a maybe when frog comics are a sure thing?
I don't watch Ethans live streams [way too boring]. Its highly unlikely that JBP "dumped" a multi-millionaire top tier artist and far more likely the artist said "fuck this shit" and decided to make more money doing his own thing.

I may be wrong but I doubt Ethan is lying about this. He'd be responsible for selling the OA [since he's not gifting him the art this time] and way more people are willing to spend 10k on a cyberfrog drawing than a JBP commission of some kids looking at an aquarium or some shit.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Nobody bought Jordan Peterson's book because of Frog's drawings. Or at least not enough people to make up for the $15K. Book illustrations aren't necessary to sell books on self-improvement, they are just a fun little bonus for the reader.

Any half-retarded artist could have done those drawings and it wouldn't have made a dent in the sales numbers.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Nobody bought Jordan Peterson's book because of Frog's drawings. Or at least not enough people to make up for the $15K. Book illustrations aren't necessary to sell books on self-improvement, they are just a fun little bonus for the reader.

Any half-retarded artist could have done those drawings and it wouldn't have made a dent in the sales numbers.

Correct. At the time JBP was doing a favor by giving a job to an unemployed artist who was wrongfully dismissed because of his political views, which proved the entire premise of his work. Now Frog would be doing him the favor and it's not worth either of their time when JBP can find another 'marginalized' artist who needs a break.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Correct. At the time JBP was doing a favor by giving a job to an unemployed artist who was wrongfully dismissed because of his political views, which proved the entire premise of his work. Now Frog would be doing him the favor and it's not worth either of their time when JBP can find another 'marginalized' creator who needs a break.

Right. Because helping out one of the biggest voices and most important people in the culture war for the future of our world...

"Not worth it."

 

[Mister Dongs]

Right. Because helping out one of the biggest voices and most important people in the culture war for the future of our world...

"Not worth it."

The book sold 3 million copies why the fuck are you arguing that Frog should be giving what amounts to charity for Jordan Peterson?
Peterson could easily afford whatever price it would require to make pull Frog away making Frog comics and still make ungodly profit; he chooses not to.

 

[FROG]

Right. Because helping out one of the biggest voices and most important people in the culture war for the future of our world...

"Not worth it."

The poster above you said that any retard could do it.

He's already found another retard.

He really liked my work, but I'm nothing special when it comes to drawing kids looking at art galleries. Someone else can do as good as or better a job.

I need to be working on Frog stuff.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I need to be working on Frog stuff.

And shit-posting on the Farms.

 

[FROG]

For the next pic put a quarter next to it to reference size.

Yeah, I'll do that when it's in my hands.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Yeah, I'll do that when it's in my hands.

They don't have quarters in China?