Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Adamska]

I legit don't get why it's so hard to understand that there is a hard limit to what you can do with editing voodoo if the element was never taken beyond at best a script. You can only go so far with CGI and rejiggering if you don't have the takes needed for it to be realized.

There's a reason why you still can't fully make Alien3 work as a film, and that fucker had a decade of autism put into making the Assembly cut.

Maybe this is how the ILM and Imagineers feel when Iger or Kennedy or Chapek or whatever delusional suit of the day demands something that cannot be done with the material on hand.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I legit don't get why it's so hard to understand that there is a hard limit to what you can do with editing voodoo if the element was never taken beyond at best a script. You can only go so far with CGI and rejiggering if you don't have the takes needed for it to be realized.

There's a reason why you still can't fully make Alien3 work as a film, and that fucker had a decade of autism put into making the Assembly cut.

Maybe this is how the ILM and Imagineers feel when Iger or Kennedy or Chapek or whatever delusional suit of the day demands something that cannot be done with the material on hand.

It's not that I dont get it. What you dont get is I'm saying it's quite possible there is a bunch of footage not used in what released as RotS. And that the Lucas cut IS NOT Lucas's script. It's an edit of the film that uses all of the footage they filmed for a year including the footage that wasn't used to get a different film.

I'm not really sure how we don't understand each other. Yes the idea of the son of Mortis, may or may not have been filmed. If it wasn't filmed he can't use it. That doesn't preclude Lucas from taking the available footage and editing it into a different movie than what came out.

Maybe you're more amiable to the term Lucas edit.

For the record, I'm sure Lucas edit is a piece of shit too, a mildly less smelly pos but a pos nonetheless. No amount of editing or writing can fix the abomination that was TLJ. Not because Luke was slaughtered but because Rian Johnson closed every door leading to a question from TFA and didn't provide any new ones. His ending is a set up for another story not a continuation.

 

[vern]

Its not about tourism, its about health concerns and tourist complains. The recent news has been nothing but embarrassment for Disney and HK DL is already going to be closing after opening with others following suit. At this rate, more losses are assured and the company's already lost billions during these last few months.

As for Muppets, its essentially worthless and there are no plans for it, so there's no real reason to sell it, especially when it won't return much. Especially when there are bigger and more valuable fish to sell.

I kinda disagree, I think disney will sell the muppets and other IPs for like it first for pennies on the dollar rather then the bigger ones because they are basically worthless so they can probably try spin it in a way to their stock holders that "their not in any danger or anything, they are just pruning the companies library of unnecessary brands and relocating the staff into different areas that have potential to make more revenue under proper management".

 

[Adamska]

It's not that I dont get it. What you dont get is I'm saying it's quite possible there is a bunch of footage not used in what released as RotS. And that the Lucas cut IS NOT Lucas's script. It's an edit of the film that uses all of the footage they filmed for a year including the footage that wasn't used to get a different film.

I'm not really sure how we don't understand each other. Yes the idea of the son of Mortis, may or may not have been filmed. If it wasn't filmed he can't use it. That doesn't mean he preclude Lucas from taking the available footage and editing it into a different movie than what came out.

Maybe you're more amiable to the term Lucas edit.

For the record, I'm sure Lucas edit is a piece of shit too, a mildly less smelly pos but a pos nonetheless. No amount of editing or writing can fix the abomination that was TLJ. Not because Luke was slaughtered but because Rian Johnson closed every door leading to a question from TFA and didn't provide any new ones. His ending is a set up for another story not a continuation.

Ah, you meant that Lucas just tries to put lipstick on a pig and tries to make the movie less shit with what they have.

Shit man, I thought you meant the whole idea since that's usually what I think of when I think of the different "cuts", since that was where Lucas was 'involved' the most. Also thought of it like how the "Snyder Cut" is being done, where they actually do need to reshoot some of it and bring back cast members due to how he didn't finish the movie near enough to have it be complete in his style.

Sorry about that.

 

[jspit]

I legit don't get why it's so hard to understand that there is a hard limit to what you can do with editing voodoo if the element was never taken beyond at best a script. You can only go so far with CGI and rejiggering if you don't have the takes needed for it to be realized.

There's a reason why you still can't fully make Alien3 work as a film, and that fucker had a decade of autism put into making the Assembly cut.

Maybe this is how the ILM and Imagineers feel when Iger or Kennedy or Chapek or whatever delusional suit of the day demands something that cannot be done with the material on hand.

It's not that I dont get it. What you dont get is I'm saying it's quite possible there is a bunch of footage not used in what released as RotS. And that the Lucas cut IS NOT Lucas's script. It's an edit of the film that uses all of the footage they filmed for a year including the footage that wasn't used to get a different film.

I'm not really sure how we don't understand each other. Yes the idea of the son of Mortis, may or may not have been filmed. If it wasn't filmed he can't use it. That doesn't mean he preclude Lucas from taking the available footage and editing it into a different movie than what came out.

Maybe you're more amiable to the term Lucas edit.

For the record, I'm sure Lucas edit is a piece of shit too, a mildly less smelly pos but a pos nonetheless. No amount of editing or writing can fix the abomination that was TLJ. Not because Luke was slaughtered but because Rian Johnson closed every door leading to a question from TFA and didn't provide any new ones. His ending is a set up for another story not a continuation.

Okay. We know some definitive things about George's involvement

1. The Lucas script(s). Lucas as apart of the deal he made had to be available for consulting and he gave them his treatment for the sequels.

2. Reshoots. Rise of Skywalker had them. We don't know the extent. A Lucas cut, according to Doomdumbass, would be 40% new material. This isn't that hard to believe, but is unconfirmed. Theoretically, for an actual Lucas cut to exist, we are talking about new material, not editing.

So. What we mean when we say Lucas cut is a number of new footage plus probably some stuff JJ shot that he didn't know what to do with on his own. Essentially, the underlying fixes of a Lucas cut would be to contextualize the story and provide closure. It wouldn't change the underlying storyline, if I'm understanding what we're talking about.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Ah, you meant that Lucas just tries to put lipstick on a pig and tries to make the movie less shit with what they have.

Shit man, I thought you meant the whole idea since that's usually what I think of when I think of the different "cuts", since that was where Lucas was 'involved' the most. Also thought of it like how the "Snyder Cut" is being done, where they actually do need to reshoot some of it and bring back cast members due to how he didn't finish the movie near enough to have it be complete in his style.

Sorry about that.

Np, putting lipstick on a pig is exactly what it is.

Okay. We know some definitive things about George's involvement

1. The Lucas script(s). Lucas as apart of the deal he made had to be available for consulting and he gave them his treatment for the sequels.

2. Reshoots. Rise of Skywalker had them. We don't know the extent. A Lucas cut, according to Doomdumbass, would be 40% new material. This isn't that hard to believe, but is unconfirmed. Theoretically, for an actual Lucas cut to exist, we are talking about new material, not editing.

So. What we mean when we say Lucas cut is a number of new footage plus probably some stuff JJ shot that he didn't know what to do with on his own. Essentially, the underlying fixes of a Lucas cut would be to contextualize the story and provide closure. It wouldn't change the underlying storyline, if I'm understanding what we're talking about.

Yes, a Lucas cut would be using "new" footage that was already filmed but not used in the theatrical release of RotS. It would most certainly contextualize some of the story elements better and according to Doomcock be more emotionally satisfying in some places.

Whether or not the underlying story stays the same depends on how many reshoots/story changes that were filmed exist. Poppa Palpy probably exists in Lucas' edit but Rey might not be the one who kills him saying "I am the jedi" while doing it. Seeing as that was Palpy's plan and I give Lucas and JJ enough credit to know that. That feels like a Kennedy insert so hopefully that changes. Whether you consider that a change to the underlying story is up to interpretation. All the potential changes are probably something along those lines.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Is there a logical reason why Disney didn't pull Harry Potter 7 and just split the last film to two parts?

 

[Adamska]

Is there a logical reason why Disney didn't pull Harry Potter 7 and just split the last film to two parts?

Because they wanted a trilogy, were full of arrogance and desperation at the same time, and film contracts. The cast only signed for three and would need money to edit the agreement.

 

[jspit]

Whether or not the underlying story stays the same depends on how many reshoots/story changes that were filmed exist. Poppa Palpy probably exists in Lucas' edit but Rey might not be the one who kills him saying "I am the jedi" while doing it. Seeing as that was Palpy's plan and I give Lucas and JJ enough credit to know that. That feels like a Kennedy insert so hopefully that changes. Whether you consider that a change to the underlying story is up to interpretation. All the potential changes are probably something along those lines.

Maybe that's why she would junk it? Who knows. I couldn't care less about the Sequels beyond seeing Georges work again. But I think it's worth wondering and hypothetically speaking, theres no reason they couldn't get the younger actors back if they had to, I just don't know that it would be worth it other than as an exercise in hype.

 

[Creep3r]

So now Corona cases in California and Florida have spiked tremendously and lots of sick tourists about. Also this:

With Hong Kong Disneyland Closing Again, Will Walt Disney World Be Next?

Two of Disney's Florida theme parks opened to the public on July 11, but its Hong Kong park must close again on July 15.

www.forbes.com

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2020/07/14/demings-will-close-businesses-linked-to-covid.html

If evidence arises that parks are linked to Covid spikes then the mayor will attempt to close them along with any other open attractions.

That reminds me....I remember reading somewhere that Disney/LucasFilm were collaborating with Tencent to create China-exclusive Star Wars novels, in a last clambering attempt at winning over the audience there, since eBooks are supposedly a booming market with Chinamen.

Whatever became of that?

IIRC they produced one new webnovel for chinese sensibilities along with republishing 40 older Disney Wars books in edited webnovel format but the project apparently went nowhere.

 

[XYZpdq]

Regarding IPs to sell if they were just clearing out whatever I would assume they would go for the ones that aren't tied to any real estate, last I heard they had some muppet presence on some attractions, and selling off the muppets for a couple bucks and some nachos won't pay for re-doing the ride so you're not promoting Other Company's IP.

 

[cjv97]

Not really important.. but just wanted to share this.

Also Imagine calling Ahsoka the Greatest Characters in Star Wars, while there other characters that are the greatest before Ahsoka was a thing.

 

[jspit]

Not really important.. but just wanted to share this.
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Also Imagine calling Ahsoka the Greatest Characters in Star Wars, while there other characters that are the greatest before Ahsoka was a thing.
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I know we're in here and no one is saying this, but I can hate two things y'know. I don't loathe Ashoka because she underwent character development and at one point was actually capable of losing.

Her surviving Order 66 the way she did was bullshit. A fucking flagship full of the 501st? I'm sorry, are they not cannon anymore? A flagship full of elite stormtroopers and she fucking takes them down. with her only help from a Sith Lord loser who gets beaten by untrained children.

 

[Miller]

Disney won't get rid of their own creations but I could see them allowing non-Disney studios to make movies or series out of the properties that they've acquired recently, like the FOX catalog. Marvel Comics has been doing this with their heroes since they have no talent left.

According to Itchy, this was the person in charge of editing and overseeing the Disney Wars comics and is apparently part of that "whisper network".

Heather Antos Named In Whisper Network #Hypocralypse

Heather Antos has worked on a multitude of Star Wars comic book projects according to Wookieepedia. According to a recent expose by Bleeding Fool, Heather Antos belongs to a whisper network …

disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com

Milkshake Girl was in behind it all? JFC... you know it's fucked when you have Antos and Gail Simone teaming up behind the scenes to destroy people's careers.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I don't loathe Ashoka because she underwent character development and at one point was actually capable of losing.

Her surviving Order 66 the way she did was bullshit. A fucking flagship full of the 501st? I'm sorry, are they not cannon anymore? A flagship full of elite stormtroopers and she fucking takes them down. with her only help from a Sith Lord loser who gets beaten by untrained children.

Pretty much this. Ahsoka was a character I used to like a lot more, but then the plot around her became compromised so Filoni could indulge in his pet character bias, and she became unbearable....which coincidentally, started around the time Lucas was no longer there to reel in his exceptionalism.

 

[Gallofag]

Sorry for the long absence, Decided to take a break from the internet because reasons.

Not really important.. but just wanted to share this.
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Also Imagine calling Ahsoka the Greatest Characters in Star Wars, while there other characters that are the greatest before Ahsoka was a thing.
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To be fair Ahsoka had way more training and experience than her, but I've seen way more qualified people get ass-kicked to Vader than her, and seen people say Kenobi survived order 66 by dumb luck, and Ahsoka survived by pure skill, Therefore Ahsoka is better than Kenobi.

 

[White Devil]

I'm kind of glad I never watched the CW cartoon so I don't even know who the fuck Ashoka is.

Take that, "Greatest Character".

 

[cjv97]

I'm kind of glad I never watched the CW cartoon so I don't even know who the fuck Ashoka is.

Take that, "Greatest Character".

Make me wish Genndy Tartakovsky could've gotten a second chance, sure Grievous wouldn't be all powerful but at least he wouldn't be a punching bag or underpowered to the dirt like he not allowed to win a single duel (like Filoni did) and I wouldn't have to worry about Grievous getting shitted on by fans.

But of course Filoni Wars "existed" even the fans would worship him no matter what even if you say that the "Filoni Wars did Grievous dirty" they'll still defend him.

Also just for reminder:
Filoni don't believe that Grievous could take out Ventress in a lightsaber fight.

 

[White Devil]

Make me wish Genndy Tartakovsky could've gotten a second chance, sure Grievous wouldn't be all powerful but at least he wouldn't be a punching bag or underpowered to the dirt like he not allowed to win a single duel (like Filoni did) and I wouldn't have to worry about Grievous getting shitted on by fans.

But of course Filoni Wars "existed" even the fans would worship him no matter what even if you say that the "Filoni Wars did Grievous dirty" they'll still defend him.
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Also for reminder Filoni don't believe that Grievous could take out Ventress in a lightsaber fight.
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It's like, why even have Grievous as a serious character if you're only going to undermine him constantly...

 

[Gallofag]

Make me wish Genndy Tartakovsky could've gotten a second chance, sure Grievous wouldn't be all powerful but at least he wouldn't be a punching bag or underpowered to the dirt like he not allowed to win a single duel (like Filoni did) and I wouldn't have to worry about Grievous getting shitted on by fans.

But of course Filoni Wars "existed" even the fans would worship him no matter what even if you say that the "Filoni Wars did Grievous dirty" they'll still defend him.
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Also just for reminder:
Filoni don't believe that Grievous could take out Ventress in a lightsaber fight.
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They can't accept him doing anything wrong, they'll pin it on George Lucas or Kathleen Kennedy. I saw a featurette online and everyone during the watch party with agreed with Sam that he needed more victories except Dave Filoni. Though he did win duels against against Kenobi and Adi Gallia later in the season, but I'm certain Filoni was against that.