2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Return of the Freaker]

I'm going to make a prediction. Trump wins, but the networks refuse to call it for Trump.

They'll do what Pinochet initially did in 1988. They outright planned gayops to stop the referendum from happening and only backed down when US diplomats threatened Reagan loudly denouncing Pinochet if anything funny happened.

National news reported on results briefly, but then switched to reruns. There was no admission that Pinochet lost until after 11PM, and one admission came from a non-state channel that the church supported and another came from a reporter asking a general. Pinochet still tried to go for emergency powers and occupying Santiago but his generals refused.

 

[MeltyTW]

oh no, not a rasmussen push poll! we're doomed

The sitting president bragged about acing the Montreal Cognitive Assessment. I hope the debates devolve into them both challenging each other to name animals and draw clocks.

i just found it funny that even leftists are forced to admit a large chunk of people see biden as barley animated lich

 

[jje100010001]

Anyone have thoughts on Trump's unexpected positions on DACA and immigration lately?

My guess is that he's preemptively defanging another leftist smear and maybe get a few Latino votes on his side since the Latino community is pissed at BLM right now. Or it might be related to the pandemic, since the initial ban on all immigration and the moratorium on issuing new visas was due to quarantine procedures.

My best guess is that it's pandemic-related and the DACA stuff is meant as a middle finger to the Dems and making one of their most common smears less effective

Agreed- same with the ICE foreign student reversal- disarming unnecessary talking points that could be used against him.

Is there a "need" to remove foreign students so quickly- which will only galvanize support against him?

All this removal policy can be done quietly by rewording and applying policy differently, as has happened in the last four years.

For instance, refugees numbers:

Refugees and Asylees in the United States

The United States has historically been the top country for refugee resettlement, but was surpassed in 2018 by Canada amid record cuts to admissions by the Trump administration. Approximately 22,500 refugees were resettled in the United States during fiscal year 2018, as well as 26,500 asylees...

www.migrationpolicy.org

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The work on reforming refugee policies is admirable but it's worth noting that these numbers are pretty small in terms of general immigration. About 1 million people immigrate to the USA every year. Cutting refugee numbers from 80k down to 20k or so is good progress but as part of the overall number it's fairly insignificant. The number of illegal immigrants present in the country is also in the millions, though the exact number is completely unknown.

There is the major bonus of not developing a large Muslim population in the USA though. Muslims are less than 1% of the US population and it now seems that they're unlikely to be ever much more than that, regardless of what happens with regards to immigration policies from Latin America and the rest of Asia.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Anyone have thoughts on Trump's unexpected positions on DACA and immigration lately?

The DACA one isn't new, it was literally in his first state of the union, and really the right wing voter base has no issues with DACA, that is why people don't give Regan shit for the Amnesty, we just want the constant flow of illegals to Stop before we have arguments about DACA..because the last time we argued about Immigration..we got an Amnesty and no Fix.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

I'm going to make a prediction. Trump wins, but the networks refuse to call it for Trump.

They already tried doing that in '16 with laughably holding out on some obviously over states like Wisconsin, Ohio and Georgia for hours.

 

[jje100010001]

The work on reforming refugee policies is admirable but it's worth noting that these numbers are pretty small in terms of general immigration. About 1 million people immigrate to the USA every year. Cutting refugee numbers from 80k down to 20k or so is good progress but as part of the overall number it's fairly insignificant. The number of illegal immigrants present in the country is also in the millions, though the exact number is completely unknown.

There is the major bonus of not developing a large Muslim population in the USA though. Muslims are less than 1% of the US population and it now seems that they're unlikely to be ever much more than that, regardless of what happens with regards to immigration policies from Latin America and the rest of Asia.

I think this is the best he can do at the moment considering the stonewalling by the Dems, the woke progressives, and the corporatist powers that benefit from the current arrangement. Trump was trying to make a deal by trading DACA amnesty for immigration reform earlier, but it was a no-go for Pelosi and Schumer, who wanted far more.

I recall he's largely trying to unofficially act through ICE to reduce illegal arrivals & utilize Mexican police to prevent Central American caravans. At the same time, the limiting of visas can also have a dampening effect on H1B abuse. Otherwise, I think official reform is a no-go until the post-2020 electoral landscape is determined.

The current issue with the Muslim population is that they congregate in small urban areas- meaning that not only is the assimilation process slower, they have an outsized electoral influence- producing the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib who are basically voted in because of their religion and ethnicity. Second issue is that the presence of institutes like CAIR, who essentially are a Muslim Brotherhood front, and the infiltration of academia by these organizations and other culturally-focused 'intellectuals' and anti-imperialist 'researchers'- many whom end up as apologists for Iran.

If the Muslim population was spread thinly over the United States, like the earlier Syrian/Lebanese Christians, they'd have long been assimilated by now.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I think this is the best he can do at the moment considering the stonewalling by the Dems, the woke progressives, and the corporatist powers that benefit from the current arrangement. Trump was trying to make a deal by trading DACA amnesty for immigration reform earlier, but it was a no-go for Pelosi and Schumer, who wanted far more.

The current issue with the Muslim population is that they congregate in small urban areas- meaning that not only is the assimilation process slower, they have an outsized electoral influence- producing the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib who are basically voted in because of their religion and ethnicity. Second issue is that the presence of institutes like CAIR, who essentially are a Muslim Brotherhood front, and the infiltration of academia by these organizations and other culturally-focused 'intellectuals' and cultural 'researchers' (i.e. the anti-imperialist tankies, who end up being apologists for Iran).

If the Muslim population was spread thinly over the United States, like the earlier Syrian/Lebanese Christians, they'd have long been assimilated by now.

They're still a tiny proportion of the population so they can't really have much effect aside from electing a couple of representatives in districts that are heavily Democratic anyway. Obviously different immigration policies could have made this a very different and much worse story.

 

[tehpope]

So Biden's account got hacked with that BitCoin scam. How can we trust this man with the Nuke Codes when he can't even secure his own twitter account? Trump's accounts weren't hacked.

 

[Chad Nasty]

So Biden's account got hacked with that BitCoin scam. How can we trust this man with the Nuke Codes when he can't even secure his own twitter account? Trump's accounts weren't hacked.

We're not supposed to trust him with anything. He's just a senile dude with tons of meds and can't accurately assess what plane of existence he's on. I wouldn't trust him with the pennies in my pocket.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

i just found it funny that even leftists are forced to admit a large chunk of people see biden as barley animated lich

joe barleycorn must die

But really, can't wait to see what drugs they send surging through Biden's veins to make him ready for the debates. Since they're trying to push the no-debate angle so hard, they must actually be afraid even that won't be enough. Either that, or being suped up on amphetamines and God knows what RCs must make him too sensitive to being attacked. I want Biden to explode in the debates so bad, but I don't know what would be funnier: him acting like the senile old man he is, or him challenging Trump to a fistfight when Trump inevitably brings up his crackhead baby abandoning failure of a son.

 

[tehpope]

We're not supposed to trust him with anything. He's just a senile dude with tons of meds and can't accurately assess what plane of existence he's on. I wouldn't trust him with the pennies in my pocket.

I agree, but by being endorsed by the DNC, the public expects him to make the big decision concerning our country for the next 4 year. I know the reality of the situation is that the DNC will be running the show, regardless its Biden or his VP in charge. Most people see the hands of the puppeteer.

 

[Chad Nasty]

I agree, but by being endorsed by the DNC, the public expects him to make the big decision concerning our country for the next 4 year. I know the reality of the situation is that the DNC will be running the show, regardless its Biden or his VP in charge. Most people see the hands of the puppeteer.

If it makes you feel any better, it doesn't matter who you vote for. They all have have strings. People are usually just color blind to them.

 

[tehpope]

If it makes you feel any better, it doesn't matter who you vote for. They all have have strings. People are usually just color blind to them.

I know. Everyone's seen that comic of the cow being led to the slaughter or listened to Bill Hicks.

 

[MeltyTW]

joe barleycorn must die

But really, can't wait to see what drugs they send surging through Biden's veins to make him ready for the debates. Since they're trying to push the no-debate angle so hard, they must actually be afraid even that won't be enough. Either that, or being suped up on amphetamines and God knows what RCs must make him too sensitive to being attacked. I want Biden to explode in the debates so bad, but I don't know what would be funnier: him acting like the senile old man he is, or him challenging Trump to a fistfight when Trump inevitably brings up his crackhead baby abandoning failure of a son.

i dont know which would lose him more votes, the disaster or the show of weakness by not debating.

So Biden's account got hacked with that BitCoin scam. How can we trust this man with the Nuke Codes when he can't even secure his own twitter account? Trump's accounts weren't hacked.

oh ffs was it that hard to find a candidate that didnt need an assistant to remember which candidate he is? i dont know why it makes me so angry since i dont even want dems to win but their infighting and willingness to warp reality in their minds to lie to themselves and say biden is the best choice is something that just makes me want to slap sense into them.

so the university that actually had a wrong poll (the polls at large werent wrong iirc) is the one predicting a 15 point biden lead

cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/quinnipiac-poll-biden-leading-trump-economy/index.html
marketwatch.com/story/biden-takes-14-point-lead-over-trump-in-cnn-poll-as-protests-shake-us-2020-06-08

this was also the university that said clinton had a sure landslide at about ten points

businessinsider.com/quinnipiac-poll-clinton-trump-landslide-2016-8

but they have a june poll showing under double digits and well into double digits lead in the same month and the month before they had a poll showing a 20 point lead on trump

poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3664

I really dont get this strategy of discouraging the need to vote in the face of a lackluster candidate running on "not trump, ignore my even more blatant racism and borderling pedo outbursts" but regardless iirc clinton got about 7 percent more of the popular vote which is about where biden is lower estimates so i dont know why they want a historically lazy and easily lulled into false security base to think their vote would just pile onto a lead while also telling them voting in person is dangerous

archive links for all linked material :

archive.vn/wOvtF
archive.vn/LIuHJ
archive.vn/B1Ow8
archive.vn/csNXp

i kind of hope there are millions upon millions of biden supporters but they rest on their laurels and trump wins because of these articles counting their chickens too early, it should be pointed out the poll they did that i linked to in 2016 was from a month and a half before the election too, the new polls are month off and before the inevitable spankings

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I think this is the best he can do at the moment considering the stonewalling by the Dems, the woke progressives, and the corporatist powers that benefit from the current arrangement. Trump was trying to make a deal by trading DACA amnesty for immigration reform earlier, but it was a no-go for Pelosi and Schumer, who wanted far more.

I recall he's largely trying to unofficially act through ICE to reduce illegal arrivals & utilize Mexican police to prevent Central American caravans. At the same time, the limiting of visas can also have a dampening effect on H1B abuse. Otherwise, I think official reform is a no-go until the post-2020 electoral landscape is determined.

The current issue with the Muslim population is that they congregate in small urban areas- meaning that not only is the assimilation process slower, they have an outsized electoral influence- producing the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib who are basically voted in because of their religion and ethnicity. Second issue is that the presence of institutes like CAIR, who essentially are a Muslim Brotherhood front, and the infiltration of academia by these organizations and other culturally-focused 'intellectuals' and anti-imperialist 'researchers'- many whom end up as apologists for Iran.

If the Muslim population was spread thinly over the United States, like the earlier Syrian/Lebanese Christians, they'd have long been assimilated by now.

Yeah, Mexicans don’t want hordes of Guatemalans in their country either.

Ultimately, the problem is that business owners keep hiring illegals. They wouldn’t come if they knew there weren’t jobs.

I feel like in areas that currently have a relatively low Muslim population and the Muslims are from different ethnic backgrounds, there will be more assimilation. I am from (an urban area in the US), and probably Somalis are our biggest Muslim group (not that there’s a ton of them), but there’s also a decent number of Albanians, and then other Muslims from random assorted countries (I’ve met people who are from/have parents from Kosovo, Bosnia, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Algeria, and Bangladesh) and the Arab ones go to Christian Arab-run restaurants (I’ve seen menus saying they have halal food next to icons of saints), plus our pre-existing black Muslims who converted in the 70s from Christianity. The Somalis live in the neighborhood where all the other black people live. I know a girl whose mom is Brazilian and whose dad is Lebanese and she was raised Muslim but went to Catholic elementary school.

 

[Chad Nasty]

I know. Everyone's seen that comic of the cow being led to the slaughter or listened to Bill Hicks.

Hope so, because if they didn't pay attention to who funded the CARES act, it'd be a bad time. I hope everyone got their payout for their country stimulus checks.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Agreed- same with the ICE foreign student reversal- disarming unnecessary talking points that could be used against him.

Is there a "need" to remove foreign students so quickly- which will only galvanize support against him?

All this removal policy can be done quietly by rewording and applying policy differently, as has happened in the last four years.

For instance, refugees numbers:

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Refugees and Asylees in the United States

The United States has historically been the top country for refugee resettlement, but was surpassed in 2018 by Canada amid record cuts to admissions by the Trump administration. Approximately 22,500 refugees were resettled in the United States during fiscal year 2018, as well as 26,500 asylees...

www.migrationpolicy.org

Remember that the DNC isn't letting Trump do ANYTHING -- even things they want to do. They don't want him getting any credit for anything.

So if he says something about DACA et all, it doesn't matter, since the DNC is going to block it no matter what. He knows the gears of government have ground to a halt, especially for the rest of this year. The pandemic is already stopping effectively all immigration et all. He can pretend to be a reasonable moderate and still get the "soft wall" against immigration that he wants just by doing nothing.

 

[PakiLover]

Who cares ? Us politics is which j*w owns you

 

[jje100010001]

• More 2016 veterans: Good idea
• More Kushner: Questionable at best, though Kushner did assemble the 2016 data systems
• Parscale taking on more of side role: Effectiveness TBD- there may not be enough time to experiment
• Focusing on more black voters over more 2016 electoral planks: Effectiveness TBD as it might be argued that strengthening white turnout may be more effective
• Trying to persuade Trump to discipline himself on Twitter: Good idea

Interesting @MrJokerRager - Parscale has been replaced by Bill Stepien:

Trump replaces campaign manager Brad Parscale, as polls show Biden ahead

Former senior adviser Bill Stepien tapped as new Trump campaign manager. #FoxNews #Tucker Subscribe to Fox News! https://bit.ly/2vBUvAS Watch more Fox News V...

www.youtube.com

Honestly do not know much about the latter, but it may indicate shifting electoral priorities- wonder if the commuting of Roger Stone's sentence has anything to do with this?

On another note, lines are being drawn in terms of the policing/BLM debate as the National Association of Police Organizations endorses Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu_N4LG8nAM