Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

I should have linked the article Delle Donne wrote with some choice quotes to see if any of it sounds familiar too: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/elena-delle-donne-wnba-season-lyme-disease
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It was kinda frustrating to have clicked through on the story on Twitter and seeing all kinds of blue check mark journalists just repeating all of this stuff about chronic lyme disease non-critically and attacking the league for "not believing her struggle" but I guess that's sports journalism for ya.
I take 64 pills a day, and I feel like it’s slowly killing me.
If it's all real medication, then maybe. She should listen to her intuition. You'd think an athlete would understand how seemingly small things can make a world of difference. Like eating the wrong thing before a game.
This chronic lyme is bs. Just google 'chronic lyme fraud' and you get tons of scientific publications and the cdc all dismissing it as utter bs. They call out the doctors that treat it as predators because they prey upon munchie morons.


the above website has a lot of articles on doctors who lost their licence because of their quackery, articles on the general fuckery and fraud, plus lots more. I need to deep dive and read up more on this.

i never heard of this elena person before but i instantly disliked her because of her woe is me bullshit. Her handful of pills is nothing more than herbal bs that you buy over the counter or get from your quacky doctor.

I do it anyway because I have Lyme disease. (Since I’m not a doctor, I say I have “chronic Lyme.” It’s a shorter way for me to say that this disease is still affecting me after more than a decade — I prefer it to the alternative, which is “Post-Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome with a current active infection with a different strain of borrelia and bartonella as well as other co-infections.”) Taking 64 pills a day is the only way to keep my condition under any sort of control. It’s the only way to keep myself healthy enough to play the game that I love — healthy enough to do my job and earn the paycheck that supports my family.

Healthy enough to live something approaching a normal life.

To be fair, she does say it's Post-Treatment Lyme Syndrome but she's still incorrect. Right after she's claims its PTLS she claims she has
a current active infection
with like 5 different things are once lol. Lyme Science is a good blog and it's true, there's no such thing as "chronic lyme". You're either infected with it or not. It's killed off by antibiotics.
They often get quacks to prescribe them chronic antibiotics with no legit medical reason which is so hard on your body and terrible in a world of antibiotic resistant infections. What is sad is there's a lot of "lyme literate" doctors who actually have MDs. I'd expect this kind of crap from an "ND" naturopath but not someone with real training in evidence based medicine.
Personally, I believe in PTLS but not that the treatment is unnecessary antibiotics and weird alt med shit. It's just one of those things like CFS or fibro that is unexplained but clearly there is real suffering going on. Even some anti-pseudoscience skeptics hold this opinion.
OT: Not to imply that Brian Dunning isn't borderline lolcow but I think his opinion on lyme is correct.
I’ve been told time and time again over the years that my condition makes me immunocompromised — that part of what Lyme does is it debilitates my immune system. I’ve had a common cold that sent my immune system spiraling into a serious relapse. I’ve relapsed off of a simple flu shot.
This is just a weird thing with alt med types. They will try to blame the flu vaccine specifically for anything and everything based on personal anecdote without there even being a biomedical reason why the flu vaccine would have that effect.
They enjoy using the word immunocomprimised outside of the medical understanding of the word and think countless pricey supplements to "boost the immune system are the ancedote. I've read a bit about how certain herbs may "boost" the immune system like reishi and other mushrooms for instance but people are often warned by real doctors that if the studies that find immune "boosting" effects are true, they could trigger an autoimmune disorder. It's like the chronic lymies desperately WANT a real chronic illness.
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The doctor who treats my Lyme disease wrote up a full report, detailing my medical history and confirming my high-risk status. The Mystics team doctor (who is awesome, but who’s never treated my Lyme disease) wrote a report essentially deferring to my Lyme disease doctor, and agreeing about my high risk profile. I filed both reports to the league, as required, along with a signed form waiving my right to an appeal.

A few days later, the league’s panel of doctors — without ever once speaking to me or to either of my doctors — informed me that they were denying my request for a health exemption.
This reminds me of a kid trying transparently and pathetically to get out of school.
Even when I went to the right doctor, finally, a Lyme-literate doctor, who properly diagnosed me — even then there was still so much that we had no clue about.
She finally found a TRUE and HONEST doctor guise!! :christine:
I think when you’re younger, and growing up, if you’re relatively healthy, you think of the world as very black and white, very solutions-oriented: When this happens, we do that, and then it’s fixed. Or: When I feel sick, I go to the doctor, and then I get better. That was more or less how I viewed things. But then all of the uncertainty with my Lyme diagnosis happened, and I went on that whole journey….. and it really began to hit me, I guess, just how much is out there that we don’t know.
Fair point on chronic illnesses but that is not the case for Lyme disease. It's literally a fucking bacteria you can nuke with antibiotics. So really, as far as medical science understands, it is "fixed" by antibiotics. This is what I mean about these people actually wanting to be chronically ill. People with chronic illness don't normally think that in detail about BEING chronically ill unless they're depressed.
The one that got dog piled?
I read that as dogpilled and it was hilarious, thank you incel thread!
Benzo WDs can lead to permanent brain damage.

I'm tired of explaining the Ashton Manual to my colleagues.
Is the same thing true for opioid withdrawals? Does everyone need to be on methadone to get off of it safely? Even the malingering pill abusing types?
 
She fucking kills me. I never watch any of their (munchies) videos, but did watch hers after she decided to go into hospice. It was the funniest mix of bitching about people not caring enough about her drama and how unreasonable it is that friends expected her to do things not about her. I cannot even process how anyone can stand to be around that kind of nonsense. She also complains excessively about her ex fiance. Whoever her ex is dodged a bullet for sure.
How the fuck was she approved for hospice care? Unless she’s *gasp* lying?
 
Is the same thing true for opioid withdrawals? Does everyone need to be on methadone to get off of it safely? Even the malingering pill abusing types?
The only way to get off benzos is to taper off slowly, from memory. It’s not terribly uncommon for those with an extremely heavy dependence on them to be restrained in ICU (either chemically, physically or both) and a quick google tells me that it doesn’t appear all that unusual for heavily dependant prisoners to get hugely fucked up from withdrawals or even die due to not being appropriately tapered off benzos while in jail.

Opiates aren’t much better and while withdrawals will make someone feel like they’re dying even though they’re probably not, the dangers aren’t on the same level as benzos, plus there are more options to help ease side effects while weaning off. But yeah, benzos are a hell of a drug.



While on the subject of Lyme, those “Lyme literate doctors” make me mad at life. Someone I knew was looking for help for an recently emerged condition and somehow stumbled across a Lyme literate doctor. I’m sure you can all guess what happened next, despite them having just recently moved from a country that has ticks...that carry no Lyme disease whatsoever. All the antibiotics for them. AUGH YEAH

Fuckin shills. Can’t say the majority of their patients are much better though if they’re actually that gullible, lol.
 
that last line is very important and makes complete sense. Unfortunately it isn't something you or the other mods have done for other people. As soon as someone in the discord was seen to have medical items on show or discussed an illness, that was it, they were torn to shreds. You didn't afford other people the same courtesy you extend to your fellow IGFW mods. And you encouraged lots and lots of people to gang up on these people and tear them apart while they sit there trying to explain, some with far more evidence and deniability than Alice.. You've all sat on your pedestals and now you've been knocked off them. People here haven't seen you for what you are yet but I'm very sure they will.

Kill yourself
 
Speaking of Paige, does anyone have that most recent TikTok that was posted here of her dancing with her nurse? I tried to search for it but failed. @large_farva, I think you were you the one who posted it?

How the fuck was she approved for hospice care? Unless she’s *gasp* lying?
Even Morgan has munched herself into hospice before. It's doable, but they get found out.
 
Speaking of Paige, does anyone have that most recent TikTok that was posted here of her dancing with her nurse? I tried to search for it but failed. @large_farva, I think you were you the one who posted it?

Even Morgan has munched herself into hospice before. It's doable, but they get found out.
I don't remember posting a tiktok of paige. That app is... leading me to weird places.
 
The only way to get off benzos is to taper off slowly, from memory. It’s not terribly uncommon for those with an extremely heavy dependence on them to be restrained in ICU (either chemically, physically or both) and a quick google tells me that it doesn’t appear all that unusual for heavily dependant prisoners to get hugely fucked up from withdrawals or even die due to not being appropriately tapered off benzos while in jail.

Switch 'em to diazepam because you can titrate that better and it still takes fucking months.
 
Speaking of Paige, does anyone have that most recent TikTok that was posted here of her dancing with her nurse? I tried to search for it but failed. @large_farva, I think you were you the one who posted it?

Even Morgan has munched herself into hospice before. It's doable, but they get found out.
@Special spoonie had it I think. Both Paige and the nurses Tik Tok's are private now.
 
Speaking of Paige, does anyone have that most recent TikTok that was posted here of her dancing with her nurse?

Isn't it kind of a no-no for nurses and doctors to share social media with patients?

Both Paige and the nurses Tik Tok's are private now.
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From what her mother posted it seems Paige is insanely manipulative...getting close to a patient like seems like something from a lifetime movie.
 
Isn't it kind of a no-no for nurses and doctors to share social media with patients?

From what her mother posted it seems Paige is insanely manipulative...getting close to a patient like seems like something from a lifetime movie.
They probably didn't think Paige would live so long and were just obliging her. She was/is in a hospice. I don't find it as creepy as the momma bear doc for that heroin addict munchie. Can't remember her name sorry
 
KFS, you had a sperg because someone posted an emoji to you (not on here). Full on meltdown and then needed your minions to back you up because an emoji upset you so much. You act like a completely different person on here because people here would hand your ass to you if you behaved the same way. This cool girl persona is marred when hundreds have seen you pull a fit over 👅

The mod mail is... interesting
 
KFS, you had a sperg because someone posted an emoji to you (not on here). Full on meltdown and then needed your minions to back you up because an emoji upset you so much. You act like a completely different person on here because people here would hand your ass to you if you behaved the same way. This cool girl persona is marred when hundreds have seen you pull a fit over 👅
but why do you care so much? why are you so obsessed with KFS that you make an account here just to try and call her out?
 
KFS, you had a sperg because someone posted an emoji to you (not on here). Full on meltdown and then needed your minions to back you up because an emoji upset you so much. You act like a completely different person on here because people here would hand your ass to you if you behaved the same way. This cool girl persona is marred when hundreds have seen you pull a fit over 👅

The mod mail is... interesting
No one cares that you have a hate boner for @Kate Farms Shill .
 
Does anyone have anything juicy on Amy Lee Fisher? I honestly believe that she doesn’t have any of the health problems that she claims to have. She definitely has an eating disorder. She’s teaching her younger audience members on YouTube how to make themselves become anorexic/ bulimic via purging from her unnecessary feeding tube button. People like her need to be banned from YT 😡. She’s clearly looking for asspats from her followers.
 
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