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If you need more than a couple of rounds in a typical self defense scenario, you need to spend more time learning to shoot. Or get a shotgun.

True on some levels but its more complicated than that. Various analysis of gun fights have found that three to five shots with the average being 3.59. When someone does fire most likely they will not hit their target with a Rand Institute study finding that the NYPD officers only hit their target 18% of the time in an active gun battle. While people rag on the the NYPD triggers, studies done on the LAPD found that their overall hit rate was about 33.4% regardless if shots were fired at them or not. So what happens when parties are engaged in a gun battle? Barring police officers, most just get the fuck out of the area at the mere sight of a gun. Nearly all criminals are looking for easy targets not to get into a gun battle to the death for their next momentary high.

Now, what if someone does get hit? The human body can still keep functioning even if you are hit in the heart. People have brought up deer earlier in this thread but let me extrapolate on that:
To further corroborate his conjecture, MacPherson brought up an animal example. Assumedly because they don't understand what it means to be shot, deer hit through the heart often continue running for up to fifty yards, only collapsing when blood loss renders them unconscious.
So non-human animals, can still run a fair distance before collapsing. So what about humans, for that let me go back to the previous source:
Further substantiation for MacPherson's reasoning comes from a couple of fascinating historical anecdotes. In the early twentieth century, expeditionary American troops were fighting against Moro tribesmen in the Philippines and against the Boxers in China. In battle, they were flabbergasted to find that their .38 caliber rifles and handguns could scarcely stop the charging enemy. Often, as many as four hits were necessary to bring a combatant to the ground. It's likely that naiveté about the damaging effects of guns, coupled with battle-fueled adrenaline, rendered the Moros and the Boxers disconcertingly impervious to bullets.
So we see here that this a combination of ones psychological beliefs and bodily anatomy. When a person has one or the other but not both they will usually collapse due to psychological trauma of getting shot. Such this mindset is important, if you are ever engaged in a gun battle. One must have the psychological fortitude of I WILL KEEP FIGHTING this not only keeps you from being coup de graced by the aggressor but will surprise the attacker.

An example caught on video is the death of Trooper Mark Coates:
Corporal Mark Coates was shot and killed after stopping a car for weaving in traffic on I-95 near the Georgia border.

During the traffic stop the subject began to struggle with Corporal Coates and they both fell to the ground. The man fired a .22 caliber handgun into Corporal Coates' chest, but the round was stopped by his vest.

Corporal Coates was able to force the man off of him and return fire, striking the him five times in the chest with his .357 caliber revolver. As he retreated for cover and to radio for backup, the man fired another shot. The round struck Trooper Coates in the left armpit and traveled into his heart.

The man survived the incident and was sentenced to life in prison.

Spending a few hours to get what you need for conceal carry is worth it. I know CA is extra special with guns, but if you can spell your name and not be a felon, a test isn't really much standing in your way.

Getting a CCW depends on what county you live in. In some of the most population dense, getting a CCW is next to impossible due to goddamned democrats and their belief that you need to be reliant on the state.
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I don't know about professional soldiers or county/state level police, but I remember reading NYPD (or a similar big city department) at least has a bad habit of spraying dozens of rounds more than actually hit in a given gunfight. This is why you train (and presumably most officers don't train beyond what they're required to do to qualify), so that if a situation does go tits up you at least have muscle memory to fall back on when everything else is failing you.
I know a couple of cops who could easily shoot circles around me but I feel like bigger city departments tend to have a greater proportion of officers that just aren't really 'gun people' and don't train enough, and from what I hear NYPD's minimum qualifications are pretty abysmal. To 'fix' this their leadership just mandated ridiculously heavy triggers on their service pistols so when you combine this with the fact that handguns can be pretty hard to shoot accurately even when not under stress and that the floor of their training is already pretty low they're not likely to hit shit in a shooting.

NYPD officer here to answer any questions. Here are some facts:

•Every officer hired since the introduction of pistols in the NYPD back in the early nineties is NOT allowed to use a revolver as their service weapon. They must choose between a Glock 19, S&W 5946, or a Sig p226. All of these guns are in DAO variant and have NO external safety.

•Everyone who is allowed to carry a gun in the department (not everyone is) has to re-qualify once every six months (give or take, it's been as short as five and as long as nine sometimes).

•MOST NYPD officers fire their FIRST gun, ever in their entire lives, at the police academy, some as young as 21 to as old as 35 shooting for their very first time, and on a DAO pistol.

•The qualifications are HORRIBLE mad get dumbed down every year.

•The NYPD offers once a month training for members to use, on their own time. However, all that is done during these sessions are the same basic dumbed down qualification exercises. You will only receive real help if you outright fail. Missed 12 out of fifty @ 7 yards? GOOD ENOUGH!

•Our tactical training is a joke and maybe ten people in a department of 34K have had Active Shooter training (I'm not exaggerating).

There is a lot broken, basically.

Some of our members NEVER take their service weapons out of their gun belts, and never carry ANYTHING off duty. I've seen people with 3 years on have brown rusted rear sights. Some never clean their weapons unless forced to by the firearms unit.

The NYPD has been tight fisted with ammo for the longest time. Take your one box and be happy.

I'll answer any questions you guys have.

PS: Our holsters are shit also.

EDIT: Replaced DOA with DAO

EDIT: It's true, twelve pins trigger springs suck

EDIT: We at only allowed Gen3 Glocks.

UPDATE: Guys I'll be back tomorrow morning and I might send the verification to HCE.

Verification Update: I'm not sending any pictures of anything. The purpose of this throwaway is just to answer any questions you all might have. I'm sorry but that's the way it will be. I will probably keep answering until the end of the week, then I will delete this account or let the mods archive it if they want. My job has a zero tolerance policy on officers making it look bad online.
Good luck advocating for better marksmanship training for cops right now though. You'll just be met with 'REEEEE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE GUNS AT ALL WHY WOULD WE TRAIN THEM TO MURDER BLACK BODIES BETTER'.
 

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This is why Antifa doesn't like the feds using unmarked vans and arresting them after they've walked away from the main riot -- it doesn't give them a chance to attack the arresting officers, breaking their friends out and letting them flee.
They should have loaded up for Safari.

You still miss the point. Millions of Americans were promised relief from being second class citizens in their own country. We not going to vote for backstabbers. "White hating" is from other Whites who won't hire American Whites.
Nice point, bro. Still voting for the Orange nigger. And it seems that he will win even bigger this time.
 
Me neither, and in California I have to go through a ridiculously oversubscribed course for a Firearms Safety Certificate. I’ve been thinking of alternate solutions to deal with potential home invasion in the short term, and they’re all very messy. Guns really are the cleanest way of dealing with such a scenario
The test is pretty simple and easier than the DMV which surprises me. Also helps that the guy selling it to you also helps you understand how the test works. I have been hearing though that the background checks are taking it so long that people are waiting for a month to get their guns.
 
The reason they're throwing fireworks at the feds is to try and get the feds to stop reacting to gunfire like sounds, so when antifa eventually does start using guns, the feds won't react in time.

This is alongside them blatantly wanting to try and goad Trump into giving them some form of Kent State to make them all martyrs. No doing SHIT against Antifa and other Marxist insurrectionist groups, just gotta get a few useful idiots killed and you completely neuter the US Government's response for 10-20 years. Might even stop the pushback that's obviously coming against the woke left.
So, surprise, they don’t know police tactics. Nogs gonna nog

NYC WSJ Reporter is imbedded with the protestors now.

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Ugh! A tattoo.

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Nancy Rommelman

This reifies my own personal rule: never trust anyone over 25 years of age who has brightly-dyed hair. NEVER, no exceptions.
Good rule!👍
 
Some Hungarian guy I was talking o online said when he saw this scene in the cinema in Hungary the audience started to clap and cheer spontaneously.


Hungary is awesome though. Banned "gender studies" and fluff, bunk, bullshit filler degrees, anti "refugee" (migrant, let's call them by their real names) and encouraging the native population to have large families. You won't see any of this fucking bullshit there with all this, and probably ever, because they've cut the head off the fucking hydra and banned the source of it, in scrapping and banning the bullshit degrees
 
I know a couple of cops who could easily shoot circles around me but I feel like bigger city departments tend to have a greater proportion of officers that just aren't really 'gun people' and don't train enough, and from what I hear NYPD's minimum qualifications are pretty abysmal. To 'fix' this their leadership just mandated ridiculously heavy triggers on their service pistols so when you combine this with the fact that handguns can be pretty hard to shoot accurately even when not under stress and that the floor of their training is already pretty low they're not likely to hit shit in a shooting.

NYPD officer here to answer any questions. Here are some facts:

•Every officer hired since the introduction of pistols in the NYPD back in the early nineties is NOT allowed to use a revolver as their service weapon. They must choose between a Glock 19, S&W 5946, or a Sig p226. All of these guns are in DAO variant and have NO external safety.

•Everyone who is allowed to carry a gun in the department (not everyone is) has to re-qualify once every six months (give or take, it's been as short as five and as long as nine sometimes).

•MOST NYPD officers fire their FIRST gun, ever in their entire lives, at the police academy, some as young as 21 to as old as 35 shooting for their very first time, and on a DAO pistol.

•The qualifications are HORRIBLE mad get dumbed down every year.

•The NYPD offers once a month training for members to use, on their own time. However, all that is done during these sessions are the same basic dumbed down qualification exercises. You will only receive real help if you outright fail. Missed 12 out of fifty @ 7 yards? GOOD ENOUGH!

•Our tactical training is a joke and maybe ten people in a department of 34K have had Active Shooter training (I'm not exaggerating).

There is a lot broken, basically.

Some of our members NEVER take their service weapons out of their gun belts, and never carry ANYTHING off duty. I've seen people with 3 years on have brown rusted rear sights. Some never clean their weapons unless forced to by the firearms unit.

The NYPD has been tight fisted with ammo for the longest time. Take your one box and be happy.

I'll answer any questions you guys have.

PS: Our holsters are shit also.

EDIT: Replaced DOA with DAO

EDIT: It's true, twelve pins trigger springs suck

EDIT: We at only allowed Gen3 Glocks.

UPDATE: Guys I'll be back tomorrow morning and I might send the verification to HCE.

Verification Update: I'm not sending any pictures of anything. The purpose of this throwaway is just to answer any questions you all might have. I'm sorry but that's the way it will be. I will probably keep answering until the end of the week, then I will delete this account or let the mods archive it if they want. My job has a zero tolerance policy on officers making it look bad online.
Yeah, I deleted my post since I couldn't pull up a source.

But I've noticed that there's a stronger gun culture in county level (i.e. Sheriff's Dept) law enforcement. I know that some are okay with allowing officers to choose a personal firearm (provided they file the proper paperwork and it's approved by the Dept) instead of taking the issued piece. If you're using a personal weapon, it's to address something you find inadequate with the issue piece, whether it's comfort, power, accuracy, what have you. If you care enough to change weapons from what you're issued, chances are you're putting in more time with your preferred piece.
 
NYC WSJ Reporter is imbedded with the protestors now.

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Oh, her!


Portland author Nancy Rommelmann, whose video series has caused trouble for her husband's coffee chain, yesterday published a lengthy diatribe against the city and former coffee-shop employees on Quillette—the flagship publication for a contrarian movement known as the Intellectual Dark Web.
In the op-ed, titled "The Internet Locusts Descend on Ristretto Roasters," Rommelmann says she and her husband are victims of "the career-destroying potential of the internet mob."
She says the local coffee company, which is owned by her husband, Din Johnson, could go out of business because of boycotts.

Less than two days after news of Rommelmann's vlog broke, she writes, "one of Din's managers suggested that he sell the company and that I offer a public apology before it was too late."
 
Look at all these Black people fighting for Black rights.
For a moment I thought all of this was just an excuse for rich white kids to ree at the system because the Orange man is still their president.



It's not like modern history is on his side or anything, amirite?
It's not like literally every race is flocking to Whitey's house, and insisting that their home be turned into a public brothel while the rest of the world keeps theirs.

Jesse is not alone in his sentiment. I've met illegals who are pissed that Commies are trying to fuck up the nation that gives them an opportunity to feed their families.
Then again, Commies don't care about Juan & Pedro, do they...
It will be interesting if the commies fuck up the country so much, all the illegals leave and go back their countries since they didn't sign up to live in a communist shithole. It will be like that episode of South Park.
 
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YoutubeDL won't snag the clip in Andy's tweet. Working on it. Full video here:



Basically, Antifa and their bootlickers can get fucked. The feds are following the letter of the law.

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So. What will the next talking point be? That they're just not being sporting when they arrest the marxist insurrectionists using domestic terror against the people of Portland?
 
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This is why Antifa doesn't like the feds using unmarked vans and arresting them after they've walked away from the main riot -- it doesn't give them a chance to attack the arresting officers, breaking their friends out and letting them flee.
Usually there is like 6 or 7 feds together that turtle and swarm a suspect. I don't know what is going on here that its one guy trying to make an arrest by himself without fellow feds surrounding him to keep the antifa away.

Only time a one on one arrest would work if the person making the arrest is willing to use deadly force.
 
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I haven't looked at the libertarian subreddit in a very very long time because it was going to shit, and I deleted anything I had there a while ago, and it's even worse than I thought. It's become yet another orangemanbad sub to throw on the pile.
Denial anything is happening. (somebody also unironically saying so much this)
Defending Minneapolis city council members getting taxpayer funded private security. (the post has fewer points than comments)
muh insurance will cover everything
libertarians are actually racist because they don't support a Marxist organization
This one's got it all. Not real Marxism. If you don't like what's going on in Portland, you're a fascist. You're a racist if you don't worship George Floyd.
what the fuck

Edit: I looked up CHAZ and every thread was downvote bombed it looks like, and of course the ancom experiment is actually libertarian and if you say anything bad about it you're an evil right-winger
Whats the difference between those guys and someone like Styx and Youngrippa59?
 
Yeah, I deleted my post since I couldn't pull up a source.

But I've noticed that there's a stronger gun culture in county level (i.e. Sheriff's Dept) law enforcement. I know that some are okay with allowing officers to choose a personal firearm (provided they file the proper paperwork and it's approved by the Dept) instead of taking the issued piece. If you're using a personal weapon, it's to address something you find inadequate with the issue piece, whether it's comfort, power, accuracy, what have you. If you care enough to change weapons from what you're issued, chances are you're putting in more time with your preferred piece.
It's reflective of the rural/urban split and their attitudes towards guns in general. Like when Northam started getting froggy with gun control in Virginia and virtually all the Sheriffs outside the biggest pozzed cities told him to pound sand. Where I live in CA they're not as based but they are at least more gun and CCW-friendly the further you get away from population centers, especially when the only time an average city cop runs into armed citizens it's some jogger or cholo with a glawk 40 in his waistband. Then you have big departments preferring to simplify logistics by only having a few approved service weapons instead of letting you bring whatever can pass muster with the department armorer. I think of lot of NYPD's systemic issues beyond their gun training woes stem from them being too damn big and bloated a department for their own good and would've been better off had they not centralized and absorbed so many jurisdictions in their distant past.
 
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