2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[-4ZURE-]

You guys are forgetting that Biden did ok against his debate against Bernie.

They had to cheat Tulsi out to get that to work though. That women is always ready to attack, so the DNC saved Biden’s rear by using the amount of support so that he does not have to face her after she killed every other Dem. As for Bernie, the dude never attacks and tries to be friends with all the candidates. He plays out like the token “nice guy” and thus finishes last. I also think some behind the scenes meddling happened as Obama took Bernie out of the race and Tulsi and Yang randomly supported Biden while being against him or more politically aligned with Sanders.

In all seriousness, I have no idea who the Dems could have realistically run. Bernie seems like the obvious choice, but actual Democratic voters showed twice in the past 4 years that Bernie was just too extreme. So naturally the Dems decided to double down on the extreme leftist tactics, alienating center-left people.

I actually believe Bernie won. The dude was doing well and had a support base that rivaled Trump. I remember the audio clipped released where Trump believed that Bernie would be the only one who could realistically be a threat. The problem with Bernie is that he falls for back-door politics. The DNC screwed him last election and picked Hillary due to ties. He likely was the 2016 pick, but since higher ups select the candidate, they went with Clinton because they were friends and honestly could not see how Trump would win. I have no idea what happened this time though, either they pulled a power move and beat Bernie out, or he shilled and took another house. With the way he has been acting lately, I fully expect the latter.

You forget that Trump has agency too, and he'll never let go on any bullshit Biden's campaign team tries to pull concerning the debates.

He'll force the issues, call Biden and his handlers out for weakness and duplicity, and make them bring out Biden for a "proper" debate with standard rules. He'll go from show to news reel to talk about how much of a feeble coward Biden is, he'll excoriate Biden's campaign for their flaccid attempts to hide Biden's infirmities, and he'll do it very loudly. It'll be a complete bloodbath if they even try this shit you say they will.

At this point, I wonder if debates will change much. Many are going in fully believing their candidate is great. Biden can mess up a ton, but the likely Gen X and older Millenia viewers will not bat an eye. I have already heard a ton of excuses about how it is a speech impediment and how he had brain surgery in the 80s so it is understandable. Trump will likely rip him to bits and pull a few “and you’ll be in jail” style comments that will ultimately anger the people watching as Biden good.

I think Trump will win, but the debates are bound to show the worst of the Left.

 

[heyitsmike]

At this point, I wonder if debates will change much.

Bloomberg got ended in about two minutes by Pocahontas.

Biden, who is lesser than Bloomberg, will be going up against Trump, who is greater than Pocahontas.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Bloomberg got ended in about two minutes by Pocahontas.

Biden, who is lesser than Bloomberg, will be going up against Trump, who is greater than Pocahontas.

The issue is, it is Trump.
Many who watch these debates and take them seriously still believe CNN is an unbiased source. They go in with the mentality that Biden good and automatically the winner. Any attack Trump does is just mean orange man to these people.

While all of us know what is going on, there will be a big part of the left looking to end Trump if he pulls anything against Obama nostalgia machine incarnate.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

Don't get me wrong - it's obviously true that if Biden hides all the time it's an advantage for him because few people see his dementia on full display. He gets to be "Generic D" running against Trump, and they always poll better than any specific person.

Agreed, Generic Opposite Party always performs the best in polls vs. any incumbent. The problems are 1) Current Year is so fucked up with society and a biased media that Biden could effectively remain "Generic D" into November, and 2) Polls are really bad for Trump, even if you're skeptical of them and their party weighting, you have to admit he'd get smoked right now.

I suppose the positive for Trump supporters is this could all flip very easily in an instant, but again, will Biden even get the opportunity to show what an atrocious candidate he is.

 

[heyitsmike]

Many who watch these debates and take them seriously still believe CNN is an unbiased source. They go in with the mentality that Biden good and automatically the winner. Any attack Trump does is just mean orange man to these people.

Those people are not gettable. They never were gettable and they never will be gettable. They will vote for Biden and team blue regardless.

The people Trump needs to get are the ones who will be shocked at Biden's condition the first time they get to see him in a truly hostile matchup and for an extended period of time.

Biden has gotten the Angels in the Outfield treatment and received a lot of help thus far, but he'll have no help to win the championship. I don't think he'll be able to do it on his own.

 

[BeboRefugee]

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I mean, this dude doesn't even control his own interviews anymore. His handlers will literally cut him off mid-sentence if it looks like he's about to go off-script. No wind-down, no warning, just a kill switch that slams us into a black screen and the journalists have absolutely no questions about it. He's kept in such a tight bubble that they'd be better off just fucking deep-faking him, because he's clearly not the one in charge, anyways.

His woeful performances in a controlled setting worry me, because if this is the best the campaign can manage then there's no way Headquarters will have him on the ballot for November 3rd. Its one thing to have a VP nudge nudge wink wink as the real nominee, its another to have them explicitly the face of the campaign beginning 2 months from voting day, all the while evading true scrutiny and even managing to avoid facing off against Trump in a debate

 

[It's HK-47]

. His woeful performances in a controlled setting worry me, because if this is the best the campaign can manage then there's no way Headquarters will have him on the ballot for November 3rd. Its one thing to have a VP nudge nudge wink wink as the real nominee, its another to have them explicitly the face of the campaign beginning 2 months from voting day, all the while evading true scrutiny and even managing to avoid facing off against Trump in a debate

Yeah, that's the really fucking wild part about all of this. These are the highlight reels. These are the snippets and interviews that go well and they approve them for release to the public. Imagine what all of the out-takes look like.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Yeah, that's the really fucking wild part about all of this. These are the highlight reels. These are the snippets and interviews that go well and they approve them for release to the public. Imagine what all of the out-takes look like.

I mentioned the running joke to a family member about how after the election the DNC should be investigated for elder abuse and she replied dead serious that they should.

This is a person who has only ever voted for the president once and voted Democrat that time. She’s worked in direct care for people with disabilities before, and while she’s not following the campaign closely, she can tell when a person is being handled.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

2) Polls are really bad for Trump, even if you're skeptical of them and their party weighting, you have to admit he'd get smoked right now.

The polls they're projecting are not actually that great. And I don't mean that in a post-2016 "all polls are fake!" type of way. More that they're overestimating Democratic votes and who is a likely a Dem voter, underestimating the "shy Trump" effect, and pegging the chances of election solely to dissatisfaction with COVID.

Check out this poll from the non-partisan Democracy Institute that tries to account for all this. Before any of the debates, I'd wager it's 50/50 odds. There's a reason it was published in a British newspaper and not discussed at all by CNN or MSDNC.

 

[Meat Target]

There's a reason it was published in a British newspaper and not discussed at all by CNN or MSDNC

The Express is kind of a jizzrag, though.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

The Express is kind of a jizzrag, though.

And CNN and MSNBC aren't?

 

[Meat Target]

And CNN and MSNBC aren't?

Oh, CNN and MSNBC absolutely are. So are the New York Slimes and Pravda on the Potomac. It's just that I find the express a low-quality newspaper.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

While all of us know what is going on, there will be a big part of the left looking to end Trump if he pulls anything against Obama nostalgia machine incarnate

By "big part of the left", I presume you mean the vocal minority of rabid Twitter leftists" who will effect practically nothing, and by "Obama nostalgia machine incarnate", you mean the lowest energy presidential candidate of all time.

Even now, the internet isn't real life, and the insane shit that goes on social media isn't necessarily indicative of the American population as a whole.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

You're forgetting how fast dementia can progress. That said, even if Biden is somewhat lucid, I've said this before and I'll say it again, Trump doesn't consider himself to be Biden's friend.

Rhetorically speaking, Trump will not be either pulling his punches or lobbing softballs, he's going to go after Biden like he went after Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton, and Biden is not going to be capable of effectively responding. All this silly crap about polls "Biden number bigger than teh Trump number!!!!1111!!!" will not prevent the rhetorical asskicking Biden is going to be receiving soon.

Biden was playing with his dentures during one of the debates, now imagine that but in front of all America. They will summon the people for the purpose of declaring before their assembly to the American people. Biden must win the love of the American people and the respect of foreign countries. Whether he shall be successful to the same extent of course rests with God, but for his part Trump will endeavour to achieve that end by earnest devotion to duty.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

There is no way in hell the left MSM will ever let you see a pro-Trump poll.

Hell they're barely showing pro-Bjden polls so I'm gonna guess that internal polling ain't looking so good at the moment.

This election I think will have little bearing on polls over all as each side strides to push their own candidate as the one with "the momentum".

Why that's important is beyond me.





I really miss the days when policy was an important part of getting elected.

 

[spiritofamermaid]

The polls they're projecting are not actually that great. And I don't mean that in a post-2016 "all polls are fake!" type of way. More that they're overestimating Democratic votes and who is a likely a Dem voter, underestimating the "shy Trump" effect, and pegging the chances of election solely to dissatisfaction with COVID.

Check out this poll from the non-partisan Democracy Institute that tries to account for all this. Before any of the debates, I'd wager it's 50/50 odds. There's a reason it was published in a British newspaper and not discussed at all by CNN or MSDNC.

Wow, and it polled 38% dem and rep, with 24% independent. Interesting to see an example of a poll that doesn't heavily bias dems.

 

[-4ZURE-]

By "big part of the left", I presume you mean the vocal minority of rabid Twitter leftists" who will effect practically nothing, and by "Obama nostalgia machine incarnate", you mean the lowest energy presidential candidate of all time.

Even now, the internet isn't real life, and the insane shit that goes on social media isn't necessarily indicative of the American population as a whole.

I am not actually going off the internet on this one. I have just experienced much of Gen X to say that a good chunk are dedicated to Biden and fully believe Trump to be evil. These people do not use social media outside of FaceBook.

Gen X is kinda the silent generation in this debate. Boomers are guaranteed to be majority Trump, and it seems Gen Z is the same. Millenials are split as the first half are likely Biden, with the younger likely Trump. That just leaves Gen X, the generation that voted Obama in. The Dems are trying to rope them and Millenials in with Biden as Obama now has that Ronald Reagan “greatest-president of all time” mentality surrounding him. This is more than a Twitter mob, as CNN is still considered a trusted source to them as they were trustworthy back in the Obama/Bush years. The only Republican leaning tv (and it has to be tv to reach them) is Fox, but they already see Fox as unreliable due to being Republican based in the past eras.

In a sense, Biden is running off of nostalgia for the Obama era as well as CNN Trump bad propaganda.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I am not actually going off the internet on this one. I have just experienced much of Gen X to say that a good chunk are dedicated to Biden and fully believe Trump to be evil. These people do not use social media outside of FaceBook.

Gen X is kinda the silent generation in this debate. Boomers are guaranteed to be majority Trump, and it seems Gen Z is the same. Millenials are split as the first half are likely Biden, with the younger likely Trump. That just leaves Gen X, the generation that voted Obama in. The Dems are trying to rope them and Millenials in with Biden as Obama now has that Ronald Reagan “greatest-president of all time” mentality surrounding him. This is more than a Twitter mob, as CNN is still considered a trusted source to them as they were trustworthy back in the Obama/Bush years. The only Republican leaning tv (and it has to be tv to reach them) is Fox, but they already see Fox as unreliable due to being Republican based in the past eras.

In a sense, Biden is running off of nostalgia for the Obama era as well as CNN Trump bad propaganda.

It will be the battle of turnout. baby boomers have greater turnout compared to any other and white people have the highest turnout.

Gen X has gotten redder over the years given how Obama lost a lot of states in 2012 that are now guarantees for Trump.

The whites will save America from it going into the dump if they had any sense.

 

[-4ZURE-]

It will be the battle of turnout. baby boomers have greater turnout compared to any other and white people have the highest turnout.

Gen X has gotten redder over the years given how Obama lost a lot of states in 2012 that are now guarantees for Trump.

The whites will save America from it going into the dump if they had any sense.

I feel as though Gen Z, now being able to vote, will turn out higher than Millenial. From my personal experience as being one, my generation has hard, HARD-core Republicans, and I doubt they would miss their chance to vote him in.

There is some truth to the Redder Gen X. My parents go off on their FaceBook friends a lot, one of which is a Mexican, as about half seem Trump oriented.

 

[Meat Target]

I feel as though Gen Z, now being able to vote, will turn out higher than Millenial. From my personal experience as being one, my generation has hard, HARD-core Republicans, and I doubt they would miss their chance to vote him in.

I can see this in my personal life, but where are you getting this idea that Zoomers are based? I've been indoctrinated into the belief that young people are the most leftist generation yet.