Emperor Julian
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It's not even like he's hard to make fun off, how can you fuck it up?
Creative works you enjoyed until politics happened - "How politics made me hate Welcome to Nightvale and other things"
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I think the problem is that they've gone from having these shows focus on satire and commentary to making them therapy sessions. It's all just one big group session to talk about how the Big Old Orange Man/their dad is ruining their lives and is the reason why they're not fulfilled with lifestyles revolving around Tinder hookups, Netflix, fast food and social media addiction. The population has gotten dumber and less mature and thus the audience is being treated more and more like emotionally driven fragile children.
It's sad, frankly, that all of these shows need to have the same basic narrative. How much validation do these fans need? Late night caters to them, the movie/television industry caters to them, niche hobbies cater to them more and more if this thread is any indication based on the posts, big companies and social media cater to them, etc. They've even brought in people from about the world to cater to them for late night (Oliver and Corden from the UK, Jeffries from Australia, Bee and Singh from Canada, Noah from South Africa, and there's probably someone I'm missing). And of course there's Kimmel, Colbert and Meyers are homegrown. I don't think Conan or Fallon are as hardcore as any of them with their political talk, but I'm fairly confident that they have no issues talking politics with the aforementioned people at Hollywood parties.
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Look at it on the bright side.
Network TV is dying faster than you can say “Orange man bad!”
People under 20 dont watch TV, people under 30 barely do (which is why they’re doing their darndest to take control of Youtube) and the woke boomer demographic isn’t big enough to sustain them.
That’s also why professional journalists and entertainers of all kinds are shitting bricks and you hear all the fake news hype. (Only trust the NYT, ya hear!)
Network TV is dying faster than you can say “Orange man bad!”
People under 20 dont watch TV, people under 30 barely do (which is why they’re doing their darndest to take control of Youtube) and the woke boomer demographic isn’t big enough to sustain them.
That’s also why professional journalists and entertainers of all kinds are shitting bricks and you hear all the fake news hype. (Only trust the NYT, ya hear!)
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I'm 34 and I don't even own a television. The aerial wire sits curled up in the corner of the room and has ever since I first moved in to this place. Because there's absolutely nothing on that is any good that I can't just watch on catch up on my PC or phone or torrent at a later date.
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Maybe all of this is true. But the point is, it was delivered organically by quality writing and acting and character development, not by shoehorned "ORANGE MAN BAD" shite and shitty analogies that make no sense just to "start a conversation."
Ugh.
Also, is the Empire really fascist? I thought their "human supremacist" side was only ever delivered in the Extended Universe which is now dispensed with. The only really villainous thing they actually do is blow up Alderaan. In any event, the greater political situation in the galaxy plays second fiddle to how it is about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. (I'm not counting that Disney abortion from the 2010s.)
You could argue that the Empire are actually the good guys, that the explosion of Alderaan (which we only see from a distance and which seems to be thrown away pretty much) was atrocity propaganda (Alderaan is never mentioned before or since; if an entire planet was blasted you would bet the rebels would be memeing "Remember Alderaan" everywhere they appeared), and that it's all about a naive teenager falling in with dodgy criminal types, then getting radicalised in a millennia old religious fundamentalist sect which used to effectively control the Galactic Republic from behind the scenes, which kidnapped children, and which was totally unaccountable except to a three foot tall self-proclaimed prophet and his lackeys, before committing an act of space terrorism resulting in the destruction of a major military base. All those stormtroopers had lives and families.
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I...just wanna see good, coherant, well balanced escapist stories... is that so bad? If I want real life, I wouldn't reading fucking capeshit.
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but i thouh people like o thats so random, eatting talking in a dinner, instead of stories like what if or red son.
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It's amusing to note that in the Legends lore, the only thing that made the Empire really "evil" was the influence of the Sith Lords. Without their meddling the Empire could definitely be seen as the good guys - as shown with Grand Admiral Pellaeon's handling of the Imperial Remnant. Later incarnations of the Empire were invariably evil as they let the Sith back in (Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, etc.)
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I never liked any of that shit beyond age 7. It's like Seth MacFarlane (of all people) said: if you form your worldview around entertainment, you're stupid.
And I don't even care if capeshit or Soy Wars have their diversity and inclusion, because, again, I'm not a fan. It's just that nerd culture and 90% of modern entertainment is banal, repetitive, and hollow. It's virtual/mental junk food. It's a product of late-stage capitalism, designed to keep the bugmen in a state of perpetual childhood via nostalgiawank.
The same applies, of course, to dudebro bread-and-circus like sports and Cawadooty.
If you enjoy this garbage, I'm not gonna stop you. But I'm sick of it, get it the hell outta my face.
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Not to mention that in the New Jedi Order novels, it's mentioned that Palpatine actually knew that the Yuuzhan Vong (whose hat was that they were totally outside the Force and therefore to a Sith Lord as powerful as him they would have appeared as a huge blank space on the psychic map) were coming and that reports from the far outer edges of the galaxy had crossed his desk, and part of the reason for his military expansion was to ensure the galaxy was prepared for it.
Also, the Sith being evil? Really? Because they did "unnatural" things with the dark side of the Force? The Jedi ran things from behind the scenes, kidnapped kids, and outlawed the dark side of the Force for no good reason. They wanted to really subvert expectations, the sequel trilogy could have been about the understanding that bringing balance to the Force involves acknowledging that the dark side is real rather than treating it as a heresy.
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Music in general. I realized yesterday I haven't listened to the radio or spotify for 2 months now. I won't pretend I had particularly high tastes in music, and of course the modern alt pop/rock scene was heavily liberal, but seeing literally every single band supporting BLM and riots was just too much. For fucks sake, The Lumineers, who are only popular because they made songs that came from and are relevant to non-city dwelling white people, are funding bail for rioters! If it was a one time thing I might have eventually gotten over it, but I know every song and album going forward is going to be about the plights of the black man, there's going to be a huge diversity push to de-whiteify alt and indie, and it's just going to be a bunch of shit, so I have no interest.
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SCPs are cool when you first discover them (I really liked "When Day Breaks" and "This Thing A Quiet Madness Made"), but they eventually got like Creepypastas, where everything became a crossover circlejerk.
I also got bored with them due to the overabundance of lame attempts at abstract or "philosophical" horror. The whole "You Cannot Comprehend Giygas' Attack"/"You Will Cease To Exist"/"this is not reality as we know it" schtick is just lazy writing.
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The Sith weren't "evil" because of their faith, it was more the fact the average Sith Lord had no compunctions about committing blatant war crimes in service of their desire for power. There were a handful of Sith Lords (Vectivus for example) that followed entirely non-violent paths and did not seek power, but they are overshadowed by the arrogant, power-hungry variety that would have scoffed at that interpretation of the Sith teachings. The deeds of the most prominent Sith are full of treachery, murder, genocide and extreme selfishness that would be hard to dismiss as "alternative teachings".
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This is so true. It disappeared up its own backside. That being said, some of them are genuinely inventive. I quite liked the one that's a reproducing CCTV camera setup, and the cannibal inbred Habsburgs was pretty gruesome.
Also, they seem to be overcomplicated a lot. One of my favourites was the stone that falls sideways. It's not going to destroy the world, it is for all intents and purposes a stone. But it falls sideways. If you throw it, gravity acts on it in right angles. That is all it does. That's the sort of thing that SCP needs more of. Just random weird shit that is anomalous.
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I mean yes, but it didn't quite get as bad as it did in the late 2010s. Granted it kinda lingered in books that didn't really sell, like Squirrel Girl, Hellcat, and I guess Spider-Woman fro m what I've heard?
man you know it's gotta be stronger than whatever comics artists and writers did in the 70s.
How much you wanna bet that these new characters try to act like they're "special" and harass Speedball over his Civil War era shit, thus re-opening his ptsd.
Yeah but at least it was competantly written and created.
Stan Lee's writing isn't a high bar, but SJW idiots can't seem to even reach that level of competancy.
Remember, you gotta judge the writer based on their gender, sexuality, and color of their skin to understand their oppression points being included in the writing. It's why Gail Simone has had a career since post-OG Birds of Prey run.
Honestly I don't care all that much about it beyond being a guilty pleasure that can occasionally be examined in other contexts. Funny enough, there's a lot of academic-oriented work on comics, but the vast majority of it relates to the -isms. The actual meat of comics related academia is almost non-existant beyond a few sources that kinda imply that this general medium is viable and needs to be looked at seriously. However, for every historical/literary paper related to comics, I get like 5-6 related to feminism or racial discussion and those just repeat the same talking points.
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I think that's the point of the aggressive politicization of everything. They don't want escapism.
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What are some examples?
I think I'd rather have dubs "Americanize" stuff than shoving "woke" crap into anime - stuff like rice balls becoming "donuts", driving scenes mirrored, or names being Americanized (like "Satoshi" to "Ash Ketchum" or "Usagi" to "Serena").
I've noticed that too - they're like a cult who don't want you to escape in any way. Not mentally, not physically.
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There's a difference between singing about mayhem and anarchy
and actually raising money/advocating for it.
The Flaming Lips had a great essay about it on the album Zaireeka.
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If Superman and Wonder Woman (and other superheroes) are supposed to be examples as to why we should love immigration then it's a terrible analogy. The last time that I checked instead of a bunch of amazing people like that, we're getting people with IQ's in the 90's (often being generous here with that number) who commit violent crime at higher rates than the native population and who have kids that they can't afford.