Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

[183 baras]

It's pretty ironic how those who genuinely believed that PK has something good in her and there's a chance for her to get better got fucking destroyed by Glip. "I just wanna have a healthy discussion with you guys uwu" my ass.

 

[false prophet medea]

It's almost like the reason they're delaying taking Marl to court or dox him for so many years is so they can get away with the statute limitations of whatever state would be able to hold him accountable, granted i have no idea if the state this all happened in has any limitations but delaying this for so many years can't be good for the case, at this point im starting to believe Glip and co. are just delaying for as long as possible in order to claim "judge said its too late, we can't do anything oops!", they might as well still be enabling Marl by protecting him in every way they can while also claiming they are persecuting him but not actually doing anything. at best case scenario they're protecting him because the resulting investigation would incriminate them too

They already reached the statute of limitations

A lot of the following ramble is just a retread of Glip's statement again. No new information, just expanded personal thoughts. Skip if uninterested. It started out as a response to the above topic but kinda devolved into an open letter to Glip.

Spoiler: Fucking Long

Essentially this has been my sentiment as well. Regardless of how "willing" Glip was to participate in Marl's shit, the fact of the matter is that he dated Glip at sixteen and took Glip away from a negligent home life, not because he genuinely gave a fuck about Glip's wellbeing, but because it would make them utterly reliant on him for support and he could use that however he wanted. This fact of the situation really isn't debatable or contestable; "But Glip was into the idea of bestiality as a teenager!" can get thrown around a bit but that's like 90% of most furries at that age. There are thousands of kids and teens who ship fucking Warrior cats who don't go out of their way to become Crusader Cat. Very few of them actually act on it, and those that do are usually enabled and encouraged by an adult, online or offline. There's a very small minority of animal rapists who act without being pushed or baited to do so in their adolescence.

I believe Glip when they claim that they didn't commit sexual acts against an animal until after Marl entered their life, is basically where I'm going with this.

Whether Glip "wanted" to fuck animals or not is almost irrelevant at this point; it would certainly make it much easier for Marl to convince Glip to do it in the long run if Glip did already have a passing interest in trying it, of course, but we know that Marl does this shit to every underage person who catches his attention regardless of their genuine interests. He did it to Bigfluff, he did it to Pengo, he did it to others. It's his MO. If Glip said no a hundred times he'd just keep pushing the issue under the guise of "don't knock it until you try it!" until they eventually said yes or left him; which, since he was supposedly in charge of the finances, would be difficult to do without external help. If Glip was alienated by their family due to their history and their relationship with Marl, it's very likely Glip would feel there is nowhere to go. Or, more accurately, Glip would've easily believed that was the case. Whether it was within two years or ten into their relationship, Marl would've pushed PK into getting involved with bestiality in some capacity so long as Glip was unable or unwilling to seek outside help. He has no qualms with playing the long game if he thought he could get away with it.

With that said, Glip is not without responsibility for allowing Marl to target others. Glip was aware that Marl had the capacity to do this to people, seeing as he did it to them. This is where the question of willingness comes in; Marl did the exact same shit to Glip, so where the fuck they get off in claiming that they had no possible idea Marl could do that to others? This is what raises the question for many on whether Glip was a willing participant or not regarding the animal sexual abuse. Namely, whether Glip truly believed that Marl was incapable of forcing people into having sex with animals (thus claims of Marl grooming minors unwillingly could be brushed aside as a lie, even if he was still very clearly grooming minors), because he didn't truly force Glip. Or, if Glip was forced into having sex with that dog, how the fuck would Glip come to the assumption that Marl couldn't or wouldn't do that to someone else? Clearly he didn't feel bad enough about it to not buy a dog later, despite Glip's supposed gut feeling. Glip was aware enough to know Marl probably wasn't getting the dog just to have a pet dog enough to ask about it.

Is it your fault, Glip, that Marl decided to target kids to spread his interests, including yourself? I'd personally say not exactly; Marl's actions are still Marl's actions, and whether he'd done them via Glip or done them via someone else he probably still would've groomed some poor kid into fucking dogs eventually for his entertainment. It's what he does. He's a sexual predator. Whether that kid had a precognisant interest or fetish would've made it easier and I'm sure having a server full of kids into Pokeporn helped his cause for sure, but at the end of the day if he wasn't a furry Marl would just settle for some other mentally challenged woman, popped out a few kids with her, and subjected them to that shit. Sexual predators will always find a way to do the shit they want to do and keeping it in the home is a covert means for many to get away with it. Glip was just a very easy mark.

Are you, Glip, still somewhat responsible for enabling Marl by refusing to contact the police, or a lawyer, or spousal abuse services, or literally fucking anybody who might be able to help you escape and seek legal action after other kids came to you with their concerns? Yes, especially when Marl was using your co-created platform to do it. The first time anyone called Marl out for that shit should've been the nail in the coffin, especially given your own history with him. I understand that gaslighting and emotional manipulation and psychological abuse can do a doozy on people's decision making, emotional responses, and ability to think for themselves; I lived in a similar situation (minus the dogfucking) and I know how it goes. This can even somewhat explain Glip's narcissism and aggressive behavior. It doesn't excuse it by any means, but how people respond to living in that kind of situation can be ugly and unpleasant.

But you were not an innocent bystander who had never been exposed to Marl's abuse, Glip. You lived through it, and then turned away when others admitted they'd also lived through it, when their experiences were almost word-for-fucking-word what Marl did to you. That is 100% on your shoulders, especially when you openly admitted to not bothering to find out the full story from them. You took Marl at his word despite having more evidence than anyone that Marl's word couldn't be fucking trusted.

And, to top it all off, to continue to defend your server when it was the hotbed of child grooming by Marl, when it's very likely that there are still sexual abusers that were aided and abetted by Marl possibly lurking around? Glip, with all sincerity, are you out of your fucking mind? Letting your old admins stay just because they've offered paltry sympathies to you instead of Marl isn't proof that they aren't capable of doing the same shit as him. You could barely pay fucking attention when your own live-in husband's victims approached you with evidence of his abuse; how the hell are you going to actually take notice when legitimate sexual predators, like Goopy, use your platform for the same shit?

It took you ages to get rid of Goopy. Why? Was it because they "sympathized with me instead of Marl" so they couldn't possibly be doing that to avoid repercussions, or was it "I wanted to take my frustration on Marl out on another sexual predator, but only once it was undeniable that they were a sexual predator, as in after they harassed children in a visible way"? I suspect it's both, but if it was the latter than you are not a paragon of defending children from harm, Glip. You are just looking to validate your own suffering by allowing other members to be subjected to harassment so you can use that as an excuse to live out your little revenge fantasy of holding Marl on trial for crimes against you.

This isn't even going into the Hare stuff; I've already made my thoughts on that very clear.

In Closing;
Floraverse has been rotten at it's core since Marl has been part of it, so at least since the beginning. Attempting to carve out the rot and save what's left is not only damaging the bad parts of the community, but it's damaging the good and even salvageable parts as well; the users who came there to try and help clean it up are getting put under the same knife as people like Goopy, all because you can't get your head out of your ass and shut it down for good.

You can have your emotional therapy art without posting it to the fucking internet, Glip. You do not need to subject anyone else to your suffering and risk exposing them to the creeps you've made it very clear you'll do nothing about.

The only thing that I can not wrap my head around is why Glip continued to draw bestiality porn for YEARS after the dog incident they’ve now come out with.

if it was as deeply scarring and traumatizing as they say, why continue making art of dogs fucking people? Your own ocs and self inserts even? I don’t understand why they’d make horny stuff of that content if it was truly so horrible as they describe, for literal years after.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Truly the best anti-pedo moderation of all time.

 

[Pukebucket]

They already reached the statute of limitations

The only thing that I can not wrap my head around is why Glip continued to draw bestiality porn for YEARS after the dog incident they’ve now come out with.

if it was as deeply scarring and traumatizing as they say, why continue making art of dogs fucking people? Your own ocs and self inserts even? I don’t understand why they’d make horny stuff of that content if it was truly so horrible as they describe, for literal years after.

Eh, not exactly. Sometimes people draw traumatic shit they experienced in order to romanticize or present it in a more palatable manner, as a way of reclaiming what happened to them for themselves and repackaging it in a "nicer" way. It doesn't undo what happened or how it happened of course, it's basically just reallocating mental association with what happened in a way that doesn't physically or emotionally hurt them.

Here's an example; say someone is beaten by baseball bats every day for five years. They develop a pathological fear of baseball bats. Art therapy can be used to encourage them to depict what they see and experienced and analyze how they feel about it, as well as exposing them to the thing they fear through their own eyes. This forces the subject to think about how they were feeling and exactly what parts of what happened they were afraid or pained by; was it getting hit with the bat? The type of bat? The color? The shape? Or the person swinging it? All of these can be important for recognizing where that fear response comes from and how to isolate it. People don't just sit and mindlessly draw; analyzing shapes and mental associations with those shapes and symbols is a natural part of artistic development. The more someone does this type of therapy, theoretically, the more desensitized they might get to what happened and the object itself. It can be a means of exposure therapy in which the subject is encouraged to expose themselves at their own pace and, over time, hopefully reconnect the object of their fear to an act they enjoy (drawing, painting, sculpting, whatever) rather than an event they were traumatized by. This can be a good thing if you're dealing with people who have traumas associated with mundane objects or events.

That said, Glip's pornography doesn't strike me as a healthy exercise in art therapy. Depicting acts of sexual violence, especially those that have an extreme emotional conflict, in a romanticized fashion like that can be a double-edged sword in a lot of respects. It makes what happened to the victim much more palatable to them and eliminates the fear towards the event in question, but perhaps that fear is not unhealthy or unwarranted and instead actually critical in order to prevent the event from happening again. Art therapy can be used to groom oneself into accepting uncomfortable or dangerous sexual or physical practices as normal or not as bad as they actually were (even amply sexual response to such acts) just as assuredly as it can be used to treat traumas associated with objects or events.

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Truly the best anti-pedo moderation of all time.

I somehow missed this, wow. The victim quoted literally forgot to type a single "s" once. They used Eevee's preferred pronouns throughout the rest of the post so it could've literally just been a mistype but nope, gotta focus on Eevee getting accidentally misgendered over the fact someone came forward about being groomed by her.

What a bunch of malignant parasites.

 

[ooglywoogly]

pardon the lateness of this, i was debating whether it was worth it or not, but i went ahead and did it anyway.
since apparently one of KF's hobbies is taking things "out of context" and piecing them together, i thought i'd do just that with screenshots of the "test" logs. there were two main things that stuck out to me reading it, so i've grouped them into spoilers below.

Spoiler: every single time Hare owns up and apologizes

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and yet, everyone else continues to act like Hare takes no responsibility, takes nothing seriously, and does not apologize.

Spoiler: (almost) every single time Glip makes it about herself when Hare is talking about how she was hurt by Glip

 

[One Trick Pikachu]

But then I saw how you lot dismissed literally everything they said in their documents as lies, only accepting their confession of fucking a dog as truth and believing they must've enjoyed it. I realized then that you people don't actually care about victims, but what you really care about is idle gossip.

I realize you've long since responded to this but I wanted to get my two cents in.

Spoiler: Thoughts

At least in context to this thread, nobody is inclined to fully believe Glip's apology because they lie as often as they breathe. They lied about bigfluff and Lain to save their own ass until they literally had no choice but to confront it, because the evidence against them was that damning and longstanding. They lied about not knowing about Marl being a fucking zoophile in public whilst revealing that they were aware that he was parading his dog around like a glorified fuck trophy in private.

They constantly feel the need to "re-contextualize" damning statements they made in the past in order to make themself look better ("I want my legacy to be kids finding my porn and learning they're trans" = "I want kids to have access to resources about lgbt+ information" a-fucking-pparently. As if teaching minors about lgbt+ shit is inherently nsfw, but also, why the fuck are you so enthusiastic about kids finding your weird fucking porn).

Granted, they've apologized about quite a lot of that now, but the fact that they continue to tiptoe around and act all woe-is-me in public while continuing this disgusting therapy server bullshit on their own time while regularly being told it's a bad idea, if Pengo has indeed been keeping in touch with them, just goes to show that this is likely yet another public stunt being made in an attempt to clean up their rep through false notions of sympathy and understanding, or whatever the fuck. They're saying they're going to change but then not fucking changing at all, actually, is what I'm saying.

I agree that chiming in and saying that they must've enjoyed getting groomed into fucking a dog is uncalled for, but in case you haven't noticed this place isn't exactly squeaky clean in terms of etiquette. Same as most anywhere else. Petty vindictive people exist everywhere, and getting bent out of shape about every last one of them will lead you to an early grave. Feel however you want, but don't let your sensitivity blind you to the fucking truth when literally everything points to it being the fucking truth. That's exactly how Glip's managed to keep a hold on so many people.

 

[LUNEKO]

Art therapy can be used to groom oneself into accepting uncomfortable or dangerous sexual or physical practices as normal or not as bad as they actually were

Wouldn't be surprised if Glip is actually grooming minors trough this by making them glorify their own trauma just like what happened to Eevee. This is why you can't trust whatever Glip or her enablers say, after all that abuse and 300+ pages of "im sowwy uwu" they are, at the end of the day, still running an attack therapy group that makes minors (as young as 13) glorify their trauma while charging their mom's credit cards for it. This was running before Marl was kicked out, and is still running today (also consider that sex pest are left to roam free and abuse people without consequence until Glip needs to look good on twitter) and probably won't stop ever because it has become a source of revenue for someone who's allergic to working a proper job.
Believing anything Glip says at face value is nothing short of retarded

 

[FrickleMyPickle]

I agree that chiming in and saying that they must've enjoyed getting groomed into fucking a dog is uncalled for

It's not exactly nice, but given that Glip has zero problem accusing children of throwing themselves sexually at adults because they're such "cumpsters", I don't think positing that maybe the person who draws mountains of bestiality art might have at least been into the idea before Marl made it unpleasant is too heinous.

 

[bigfluff]

Y'know, I was trying to wait to comment on the docs until glip stopped causing mass amounts of public drama, to see if they lied about me any more- or to compare other people's experiences.

Like I was glad to wait as the rootie thing was interesting, and I KNEW there were more victims out there that incriminated themself more by actually engaging in bestiality with him, coerced or not.. It's a very hard thing to admit that publicly. So I'm pretty proud of, and thankful, for Rootie speaking up, regardless of any of her other actions.

Am I missing something, or are all the logs posted here and any of Hare's posts, actually what glip is saying "made them suicidal"? Nothing I've seen Hare say is even close to "toxic", whereas glip and crew (tm) are consistently toxic, especially in their conflict resolution. If this outrage and suicide baiting- saying someone MADE you feel suicidal still counts- is really just a narcissistic explosion, I am seriously unnerved.

No, Glip. From what I've seen Hare has done nothing even a fraction compared to the gaslighting you did to me for years.

As far as other fun observations from the server:

It's been wild and I've seen things like "I want you to intentionally gaslight me in a scene", people panicking and going down the cult checklist together to try and "prove" it's not cultlike, and nonstop bitching about Hare.


Give me late rating if I'm out of the loop, but who is Odessa? I've noticed this about a lot of people they eventually make a callout for, where they do "scenes" and shit to try to "help" them, but then afterwards the entire server shittalks them publicly? Then they ban anyone with different viewpoints. It really fucking freaks me out. It doesn't matter if the person it's about can't see it, this kind of private dogpiling is deeply toxic as well.

so it looks like they had some "scene" with odessa, which was over four fucking hours long, who got rightfully stressed out, was asked to disengage, promised they wouldn't be removed, and then later they put her into "no emotional channels" containment, shittalked her in those channels, then banned her anyways that same day.

as far as I can see, they got into an argument about odessa sharing right-leaning sentiments, and it didn't really seem like she was being combative about them. Then, later, to show what warranted this "kessie" person being banned too:

Jesus christ what the fuck

sorry if my images are too big, i'm pc posting

 

[CallieMarie]

This is the starving child in Africa argument again except if the starving African child is facing social reprocussions for being a cunt that protected a pedophile and gaslit and attacked his victims while he fucked their dog

 

[FrickleMyPickle]

Y'know, I was trying to wait to comment on the docs until glip stopped causing mass amounts of public drama, to see if they lied about me any more- or to compare other people's experiences.

Like I was glad to wait as the rootie thing was interesting, and I KNEW there were more victims out there that incriminated themself more by actually engaging in bestiality with him, coerced or not.. It's a very hard thing to admit that publicly. So I'm pretty proud of, and thankful, for Rootie speaking up, regardless of any of her other actions.

Am I missing something, or are all the logs posted here and any of Hare's posts, actually what glip is saying "made them suicidal"? Nothing I've seen Hare say is even close to "toxic", whereas glip and crew (tm) are consistently toxic, especially in their conflict resolution. If this outrage and suicide baiting- saying someone MADE you feel suicidal still counts- is really just a narcissistic explosion, I am seriously unnerved.

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No, Glip. From what I've seen Hare has done nothing even a fraction compared to the gaslighting you did to me for years.

As far as other fun observations from the server:

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It's been wild and I've seen things like "I want you to intentionally gaslight me in a scene", people panicking and going down the cult checklist together to try and "prove" it's not cultlike, and nonstop bitching about Hare.


Give me late rating if I'm out of the loop, but who is Odessa? I've noticed this about a lot of people they eventually make a callout for, where they do "scenes" and shit to try to "help" them, but then afterwards the entire server shittalks them publicly? Then they ban anyone with different viewpoints. It really fucking freaks me out. It doesn't matter if the person it's about can't see it, this kind of private dogpiling is deeply toxic as well.

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so it looks like they had some "scene" with odessa, which was over four fucking hours long, who got rightfully stressed out, was asked to disengage, promised they wouldn't be removed, and then later they put her into "no emotional channels" containment, shittalked her in those channels, then banned her anyways that same day.

as far as I can see, they got into an argument about odessa sharing right-leaning sentiments, and it didn't really seem like she was being combative about them. Then, later, to show what warranted this "kessie" person being banned too:

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Jesus christ what the fuck

sorry if my images are too big, i'm pc posting

Holy fucking shit.

It's almost a given that someone's eventually going to kill themselves if this goes on, but I'm honestly a little surprised no one has already.

 

[sad cowboy cat]

Y'know, I was trying to wait to comment on the docs until glip stopped causing mass amounts of public drama, to see if they lied about me any more- or to compare other people's experiences.

Like I was glad to wait as the rootie thing was interesting, and I KNEW there were more victims out there that incriminated themself more by actually engaging in bestiality with him, coerced or not.. It's a very hard thing to admit that publicly. So I'm pretty proud of, and thankful, for Rootie speaking up, regardless of any of her other actions.

Am I missing something, or are all the logs posted here and any of Hare's posts, actually what glip is saying "made them suicidal"? Nothing I've seen Hare say is even close to "toxic", whereas glip and crew (tm) are consistently toxic, especially in their conflict resolution. If this outrage and suicide baiting- saying someone MADE you feel suicidal still counts- is really just a narcissistic explosion, I am seriously unnerved.

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No, Glip. From what I've seen Hare has done nothing even a fraction compared to the gaslighting you did to me for years.

As far as other fun observations from the server:

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It's been wild and I've seen things like "I want you to intentionally gaslight me in a scene", people panicking and going down the cult checklist together to try and "prove" it's not cultlike, and nonstop bitching about Hare.


Give me late rating if I'm out of the loop, but who is Odessa? I've noticed this about a lot of people they eventually make a callout for, where they do "scenes" and shit to try to "help" them, but then afterwards the entire server shittalks them publicly? Then they ban anyone with different viewpoints. It really fucking freaks me out. It doesn't matter if the person it's about can't see it, this kind of private dogpiling is deeply toxic as well.

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so it looks like they had some "scene" with odessa, which was over four fucking hours long, who got rightfully stressed out, was asked to disengage, promised they wouldn't be removed, and then later they put her into "no emotional channels" containment, shittalked her in those channels, then banned her anyways that same day.

as far as I can see, they got into an argument about odessa sharing right-leaning sentiments, and it didn't really seem like she was being combative about them. Then, later, to show what warranted this "kessie" person being banned too:

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Jesus christ what the fuck

sorry if my images are too big, i'm pc posting

I have been nothing but empathetic to glip's abuse, to the point where the thread called me a faggot and @Meowthkip themselves told me to can it, the fact that you're equating THIS: https://bogbitchsuperstar.tumblr.co...6/floraverse-leaders-eevee-and-glitchedpuppet to me talking publically about what you all did to me and openly admitting to everything I did, to the point where i posted full in-context logs so I could not be accused of selectively trimming things to my own benefit is disgusting.

you don't get to equate what you did to bigfluff and lain for 5 years to me showing what you did in a place you can't censor or browbeat down into submission.

I am NOT the FUCKING THREAD

you don't get to decide to hurt me as payback to the thread and decide that's fair, that's insane! what is wrong with you?

Vera, you deserve the friends you've made, i hope floraverse stays with you for years.

 

[false prophet medea]

I’m willing to believe that the people Glip keeps having issues with in their discord are genuinely troublemakers probably 75% of the time.

Only because their reputation chases away most people with sense preemptively, and all that’s left are
1) children who know no better
2) children who have been groomed already and want to be in those spaces
3) abusive people who see a safe space for themselves
4) people who don’t care about glip’s own agency in their previously harmful actions and only want to validate others
5) people who don’t actually want glip to heal by disconnecting from drama and going the fuck to therapy, and are only there for the drama of it and for their bogus “group therapy” that involves 0 professionals

That’s it. Those are the kinds of people in their server. No one else wants to join, and if anyone else DOES join, they’re likely to leave because of the presence of groups 3 and 4. The server literally actively draws in shitbags and people with no intent to heal from anything.

And even just looking at the way all of them talk... they’re OBSESSED with trauma and abuse. Literally anyone qualified would look at this and go “this is a horrible festering pit of bad feelings”. Scenes are the pinnacle of that - a completely unqualified and not guided method of attack therapy. You know what any other regular discord would do??? NOT THIS.

 

[bigfluff]

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I have been nothing but empathetic to glip's abuse, to the point where the thread called me a faggot and @Meowthkip themselves told me to can it, the fact that you're equating THIS: https://bogbitchsuperstar.tumblr.co...6/floraverse-leaders-eevee-and-glitchedpuppet to me talking publically about what you all did to me and openly admitting to everything I did, to the point where i posted full in-context logs so I could not be accused of selectively trimming things to my own benefit is disgusting.

you don't get to equate what you did to bigfluff and lain for 5 years to me showing what you did in a place you can't censor or browbeat down into submission.

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I am NOT the FUCKING THREAD

you don't get to decide to hurt me as payback to the thread and decide that's fair, that's insane! what is wrong with you?
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Vera, you deserve the friends you've made, i hope floraverse stays with you for years.

Sorry that you've become the sacrifical lamb, Hare. Ya seem like good people. You see this a lot in abuse situations particularly with narcs where they pick a scapegoat so everyone's preoccupied with dogpiling them to avoid abuse themselves and tiptoe around the unhealthy dynamics. It's upsetting to see from the outside in, and it was upsetting for me to be the subject of it in the past.

I find it really fucking telling that the worst "callouts" that they release are people that were so close to glip that their custom self inserts were featured willingly in the comics nonstop for a chunk of time. Ppl with personality disorders "split" like this a lot, suddenly acting like they always hated the person they were obsessed with. I guess it's a way to mitigate their own pain over the situation, but damn, it's fucking unhealthy for everyone involved. And these unhealthy people always group together, so you see it repeat over and over... unstable intrapersonal relationships are a common marker of abusers, but it makes them very easy to spin it into a victim narrative about how they hop from toxic person to toxic person when in reality it can be folie a deux.

I saw, unironically, someone say, "it's not a cult because we try to help people ((The supposed abusers)) fix their problems instead of blocking them instantly for dissenting opinions!"...

 

[Boson]

One of the things that really sets her off - I noticed- is nonchalance. The way Hare reacted to some of glip’s absurd and manipulative comments were kinda just like “...ok” WHICH to be in her place seems like something anyone not influenced or affected by glip would react. She fucking screams like a banshee at people and when they don’t grovel or show concern/sympathy it just pisses her the fuck off.

imagine my shock and awe when I realize that’s a trait of narcissism.

 

[jupiter dune]

Haha holy shit look at these guys infighting so badly. For people who call kiwis toxic they sure are making everything toxic. I feel like they just want people to join so they can lash out at something because a thread is too vague to properly attack. A person, however, you can easily dog- I mean- puppypile.

They just want people to go there and say "wow, you've cured me of the kiwi sickness, I see now how the entire thread is wrong and doesn't have a single valid point, you're absolutely right glippy how could I have been so mean and blind? Your trauma is most valid, let me lick your boots". Anything else is bad faith and the person is an abuser.

Also, for people that hate callout culture so much they're very quick to zoom back and find exactly what someone said previously and bring it up to them, even if it doesn't directly relate to the moment. One bad thing and this person is cancelled. But it's okay if they do it because they could never be wrong. Yikes. The whole Hare scene was one big callout post visible to the entire discord.

 

[Legosi]

It looks like Glip was using Hare as a surrogate for the thread. To them, Hare was the easiest and closest target that Glip felt they could overpower and manipulate.

You're not going to sway many people in that server, even with the full context. They either won't read it or will simply rely on Glip to provide "actual context" behind their own feelings and they'll take that as the truth. Glip's viewed as an expert with emotion and trauma in that server. If they say they felt a certain way and frame it as completely justified then their fans will believe them and take their side because then, to them, all of Glip's pain would've been "obvious" and calling them out on how they treated you makes /you/ the abuser denying Glip's feelings.

 

[bigfluff]

Haha holy shit look at these guys infighting so badly. For people who call kiwis toxic they sure are making everything toxic. I feel like they just want people to join so they can lash out at something because a thread is too vague to properly attack. A person, however, you can easily dog- I mean- puppypile.

They just want people to go there and say "wow, you've cured me of the kiwi sickness, I see now how the entire thread is wrong and doesn't have a single valid point, you're absolutely right glippy how could I have been so mean and blind? Your trauma is most valid, let me lick your boots". Anything else is bad faith and the person is an abuser.

Also, for people that hate callout culture so much they're very quick to zoom back and find exactly what someone said previously and bring it up to them, even if it doesn't directly relate to the moment. One bad thing and this person is cancelled. But it's okay if they do it because they could never be wrong. Yikes. The whole Hare scene was one big callout post visible to the entire discord.

teehee we're going to help you get better! until you step out of line with us, then we'll use that sensitive, intimate information against you as proof that you deserve any abuse we feel like dishing out, even if you HAVE genuinely improved

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Sorry that you've become the sacrifical lamb, Hare. Ya seem like good people. You see this a lot in abuse situations particularly with narcs where they pick a scapegoat so everyone's preoccupied with dogpiling them to avoid abuse themselves and tiptoe around the unhealthy dynamics. It's upsetting to see from the outside in, and it was upsetting for me to be the subject of it in the past.

I find it really fucking telling that the worst "callouts" that they release are people that were so close to glip that their custom self inserts were featured willingly in the comics nonstop for a chunk of time. Ppl with personality disorders "split" like this a lot, suddenly acting like they always hated the person they were obsessed with. I guess it's a way to mitigate their own pain over the situation, but damn, it's fucking unhealthy for everyone involved. And these unhealthy people always group together, so you see it repeat over and over... unstable intrapersonal relationships are a common marker of abusers, but it makes them very easy to spin it into a victim narrative about how they hop from toxic person to toxic person when in reality it can be folie a deux.

I saw, unironically, someone say, "it's not a cult because we try to help people ((The supposed abusers)) fix their problems instead of blocking them instantly for dissenting opinions!"...

eh.

Narcs just keep everybody at arm's length because they deep down despise themselves and don't think they're worth a real connection, they also can't see any value in it as friendships usually cover for one's shortcomings or weaknesses and celebrate them through sympathy, assistance, sometimes even appreciation. I used to have some incredibly toxic narcissistic traits I regret having a lot so that's why I feel they tend to be like that from a first hand account having flirted with the disorder or shades of it. (I was pretty bad, I'll bank on the former.)

It doesn't make it 'easier to deal with the pain,' they actually feel nothing for it at all because they don't let their shields down enough for them to have invited people in on a sincere basis and subsequently get hurt by them. The past year or two having defeated a lot of those characteristics I can say it really hurts at first until you're used to the ramifications of being real and holding yourself accountable in a friendship, but it gets easier. The fact it's so hard after a lifetime of leaving those mechanics underdeveloped just adds to the need to gaslight yourself about things if you're still a narc.

She doesn't care about growth and being privy to such a mental affliction is likely not even aware of exactly what's wrong in the first place. It's a really sad and tragic thing to have to tangle with.

 

[CallieMarie]

Glip posted a doc about Hare in the discord server

Addressing Hare - Google 文档

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