Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

[CallieMarie]

but already I’m confused why it was posted... nowhere you had direct access?

To be fair-
I mentioned earlier that I share discord screenshots with Hare in the thread. I know Glip saw this post specifically too because they quoted it in the server to address something else I said.

Glip knew the message would be sent if they posted it in the server, and it was probably the best low-key way to do it without interacting with Hare.

 

[One Trick Pikachu]

I'll go out on a limb and assume that they did it this way to also prevent the screenshots/context of Hare's "test" from spreading on other sites as well. They wouldn't want twitter to catch wind of yet another bullshit storm that brewed from their server... not that it would be anything new at this point.

 

[Mint_Chocolate]

Spoiler: Armchair psychology for a washup artist

Fun fact. Victims of abuse will see their abuser in others as a sort of hypervigilance. The goal of recovery is resetting those mental alarm bells so they're not ringing constantly. It's hard to live life thinking everyone is the same as Marl. Is she having literal flashbacks in these confrontations with people?

So maybe, she shouldn't use her "I'm scared!" feelings as a reference point for who is evil, when her brain is literally lying to itself. Get grounded, go outside or some shit. This is pathetic to watch.

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[Abra]

She really wrote " I have a tendency to over-explain myself due to wanting to show that I have thought over and am trying to learn from my mistakes." then went on to make a long doc blabbering, haha.

My feelings about it are unimportant since Hare does not accept it, but I want to say to PK: apologies are only good when they are followed up with countable actions to show that you have learned from your mistakes. The fact someone in your server was apparently berated for multiple hours to the point they felt suicidal then got blamed for "suicide baiting" then banned shows that you have learned absolutely nothing.

 

[FrickleMyPickle]

I hope odessa's alright, wherever they are.

 

[false prophet medea]

She really wrote " I have a tendency to over-explain myself due to wanting to show that I have thought over and am trying to learn from my mistakes." then went on to make a long doc blabbering, haha.

My feelings about it are unimportant since Hare does not accept it, but I want to say to PK: apologies are only good when they are followed up with countable actions to show that you have learned from your mistakes. The fact someone in your server was apparently berated for multiple hours to the point they felt suicidal then got blamed for "suicide baiting" then banned shows that you have learned absolutely nothing.

Supposedly Odessa has been threatening suicide when people don’t concede to them for “months”. I’m willing to believe they’re part of the group that thought they were safe being abusive in glip’s spaces, tbh

 

[Abra]

Supposedly Odessa has been threatening suicide when people don’t concede to them for “months”. I’m willing to believe they’re part of the group that thought they were safe being abusive in glip’s spaces, tbh

I feel like, if that's the truth of the situation (and that behavior is very manipulative), the fact that this behavior was allowed to continue before coming to this point suggests a very unhealthy atmosphere. I understand wanting to give community members chances to improve, but months?

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

This is reaching some peak autism where Glip is now sideways interacting with KF after getting caught abusing people, over and over again. It's baffling to me that someone so damaged, so spiteful, and so unqualified continues to run therapy sessions on her server that consist of her berating people in public. Might as well setup a stockade and give her the keys because that's what this is.

"Everyone I don't like is Marl."

 

[CallieMarie]

I have been nothing but empathetic to glip's abuse, to the point where the thread called me a faggot and @Meowthkip themselves told me to can it, the fact that you're equating THIS: https://bogbitchsuperstar.tumblr.co...6/floraverse-leaders-eevee-and-glitchedpuppet to me talking publically about what you all did to me and openly admitting to everything I did, to the point where i posted full in-context logs so I could not be accused of selectively trimming things to my own benefit is disgusting.

Can we talk about how Glip compared what they did to BF and Lain for half a decade to what Hare did to Glip? This is bothering me in a way that's difficult to really describe.

Hare posted on the thread and that hurt Glip sure, but in my personal opinion when Hare was in the server she was clearly trying to be respectful and kind to people, and that was returned with dog piling. It lasted a few months, and during that time Hare went out of her way in the thread a few times to try to be more.... considerate towards Glips emotions.

Now, Hare is not the thread and that will only go so far. But Hare also put themselves in Glips discord - where Glip has a postition of power and clearly Glip used that to hurt Hare (and I'd argue intentionally hurt Hare).

Let's step back a moment and think about Lain and BF. Glip was always in a postition of power when it came to them- whether it be because of their large social media presence at the time (and by extension, people willing to go to bat for them) or because Glip was litterally in charge of the group they were in. Glip used that power to slander these then children- calling them things such as "fucking parasites", long ass documents after long ass documents about how these children were liars who just wanted revenge for something stupid, airing out lies from Lains other abusers to the public, claiming these lies to be some discourse ending end all proof that these children are lying cumsters for 6 fucking years. All while knowing that when both of these children said "Marl is interested in dog sex" that there was some nugget of truth to that. That Marl was into dogs. Because that monster pushed that on Glip too.

Glip gaslit, slandered, mocked, and gave these kids abusers a platform to lie for 6 fucking years all while knowing that these kids were telling the fucking truth. I don't care what they say. Glip fucking knew they were telling truth the entire time- because Marl did it to them. Glip just didn't want to fucking admit it because that would mean they would have to confront their monster of a husband- and it's easier to confront two children then it is to confront your husband. I get not wanting to confront Marl, really, I do. But Glip took a spiteful glee in going after BF and Lain and it makes me want to puke.

Glip comparing the atrocities they commited to BF and Lain for 6 years to what Hare did is insulting at best and shows a lack of care and understanding to the sheer damage they did at worst. Glip went out of their way to hurt these two kids for an extended period of times to protect themselves. Hare tried to understand Glip and even defend them at times in the thread, at the determent to herself because yeah, we predictably called her a faggot for it.

In my opinion, this stupid comparison that Glip had the audacity to make is strong evidence that Glip really does not understand how terrible what they did at all.

 

[Fistbeard_McThunderaxe]

Glip comparing the atrocities they committed to BF and Lain for 6 years to what Hare did is insulting at best and shows a lack of care and understanding to the sheer damage they did at worst.

It shows that Marl's actions didn't impact her as much as she leads on. Fits because she has a history of lying and abusing people. She probably was the one who talked marl in letting dogs fuck her. She got rid of Marl because he fucked up and left a trail that led back to her, so now she has to create these dumb stories to keep this thread mad and generating content. The narratives become more and more absurd until you see her as the one manipulating everyone, including this thread.

 

[Pukebucket]

It shows that Marl's actions didn't impact her as much as she leads on. Fits because she has a history of lying and abusing people. She probably was the one who talked marl in letting dogs fuck her. She got rid of Marl because he fucked up and left a trail that led back to her, so now she has to create these dumb stories to keep this thread mad and generating content. The narratives become more and more absurd until you see her as the one manipulating everyone, including this thread.

Spoiler: More Long

I mean if it was true that Glip was 18 and Marl was 23 or something (I forget how much older he was than her but it was significant enough to be illegal when they started dating) at the time Glip had sex with the dog, I'd argue that it probably didn't take much time convincing Marl at all. Glip's later behavior towards other victims of Marl is absolutely abominable, but Glip dated Marl while they were still living as a dependent minor with their mother, and he moved Glip under his fucking roof for the purposes of having a sexual relationship.

It's probable that Glip at least had some fetish or fantasy about it prior for sure; most teen furries fantasize about getting screwed by animals at some point, or at least cartoon characters who happen to be animals. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be a furry fandom. But whether these kids actually act on it or not is determined by many factors, a big one being whether or not they're being encouraged to do so by a third party. Marl was the one in financial, social, and emotional control over Glip, due to his age and the fact he had some minor experience living as a semi-independent (or, at least, money-earning) adult. He wasn't some turbo-autist that Glip shacked up with because he was easy to manipulate; he knew enough to try and be discreet about the shit he was doing to other victims, hence his need to drag them into private chats and use Glip's reputation in the fandom as a shield. He was a grown-ass adult for fucksake and Glip was a newly emancipated teen who was living with him, it's not that deep to realize that Marl was in control of their early relationship.

Glip's story is eerily similar to a lot of people I've known who ended up in similar circumstances, whether by staying with an emotionally or physically abusive spouse or being sexually groomed into doing favors on their partner's behalf they weren't comfortable with. I'm not sure if Glip engineered their apology with this in mind, but the visible age gap between them and Marl makes it very believable.

Glip might've broached the idea of having sex with a dog for sure, and if that was the case then they are accountable for what happened somewhat, but Marl was a grown man who decided to drive Glip out to a fucking barn so they could have sex with an animal, either for profit or personal entertainment (or both). That part of Glip's admission cannot really be ignored, and whether Glip was willing to fuck the dog or not is almost irrelevant at that point; they had been sexually interfered with while underage by a man (several, actually, if the statements regarding Dixon and Jason are true regarding dating Glip when they were as young as 12). Marl also allegedly resulted in Glip severing ties with her family and had in turn been enabled by a grown predator who knew exactly what he was doing. Even if they were 18 at the time the actual dog sex happened, it does not eliminate the fact that the grooming by Marl started when they were 16, and them being 18 when the dog sex happened, while legally an adult, does not automatically make them mature enough to know how to navigate around people who are actively trying to exploit them.

Marl was a sexual predator from the beginning just by trying to date Glip at 16. He was supposedly turning 20 at the time. He gave them fucking money to leave home. I'm not going to start blaming kids (even those who just turned eighteen, even Glip) for having their puberty and sexual development rerouted by a predatory adult for the sake of fetish fuel. No amount of "but they wanted it!" excuses someone like Marl dating a sixteen-year-old for the purposes of using that sixteen-year-old's sexual curiosity as an excuse to push them into making bestiality porn within two years. Had Glip been a couple months younger when they met Marl, it would be considered sexual interference from a legal standpoint. If Glip had snuck around Marl's back to fuck dogs or even "controlled Marl" somehow into pushing them to fuck dogs, this would be a very different story, but evidence (namely the fact Marl admitted to fucking dogs at as young as 12 to at least one of his other victims) suggests otherwise. They were aided and abetted and encouraged by Marl who was a self-admitted dogfucker, whose actions with others have proven his guilt with multiple other people.

What Glip did to others like BigFluff and Lain and Pengo when they tried to talk about the abuse was horrendous and morally bankrupt for sure, and what they're continuing to do to people like Hare and Odessa and others in their server stands as a testament to Glip's own behavior, absolutely. And, if Glip did actually enjoy the dog sex and continued it into their 20s after the supposedly traumatic first event, that definitely needs to be looked into and re-frames the event and their actions. But it does not eliminate what Marl did to facilitate that behavior of his own volition. All it does do is turn Glip's narrative from a passive enabler to an active participant, but it does not remove the fact that Marl did the same shit to them, when they were in their mid-teens, that he did to others. Glip's age alone at the time is damning.

Don't give Marl a free fucking pass just because you hate Glip and want to blame them for everything that has happened. They certainly didn't help and are at fault in some capacity for deliberately ignoring the abuse done against others for the sake of convenience, but Marl's decisions (including his own admittance) were his own to make and he chose to rape dogs and fuck children, and would've done that with or without Glip's consent. He is the very crux of this problem; Glip's inactivity and lifestyle was part of it for sure and gave him greater access to victims, but Marl was the one who was sending minors photos of dog dicks, beastiality vids and Bad Dragon dildos, and paying out of pocket to bring kids to their fucking house.

It's probable that Glip is enabling other predators now (knowingly or unknowingly, what does it matter) on their platform still. They enabled and helped Marl for decades so I see little reason why they would stop now just because they left him. As I've stated elsewhere before, people who grow up in abusive or risky living situations tend to go back to them because people are naturally predisposed to seek out familiarity. They are supposedly no longer under the thumb of a serial predator (theoretically, I'm sure Eevee and Opa still qualify somewhere) so, if Marl truly was the basis for all their suffering and he is now truly out of their lives, then Glip is to be held for their part in not only allowing him to flee, but visiting the same emotional damage onto other people after he has gone. If Glip or Eevee or any of their other buttbuddies are currently using the Floraverse platform to attack and groom kids (and signs point to this being very probable) then they stand for their own actions now.

However, Marl should absolutely not be forgotten or rugswept under the basis of "well Glip might've wanted to fuck dogs as a sixteen-year-old so they must've made Marl like it". Marl was doing that shit on his own (he told one of the other victims he molested a family dog at twelve for fucksake), and is allegedly still doing that shit now, and needs to be held accountable for it.

Tl;dr, Glip is a shitty and abusive individual but they didn't "force" or "talk Marl into" doing jack shit. Please stop redirecting all the blame onto Glip for something a guy four years their senior (not significant now they're adults, but very significant when Glip was a minor) chose to do. Glip has their own guilt to carry for what happened, absolutely, but Marl is still probably (and allegedly) out diddling dogs and raping kids as we speak now he's been divorced from the rest of Floraverse, and Glip being there or not isn't going to change what he is and probably always was.

 

[Rosechuspickle]

Spoiler: More Long

I mean if it was true that Glip was 18 and Marl was 23 or something (I forget how much older he was than her but it was significant enough to be illegal when they started dating) at the time Glip had sex with the dog, I'd argue that it probably didn't take much time convincing Marl at all. Glip's later behavior towards other victims of Marl is absolutely abominable, but Glip dated Marl while they were still living as a dependent minor with their mother, and he moved Glip under his fucking roof for the purposes of having a sexual relationship.

It's probable that Glip at least had some fetish or fantasy about it prior for sure; most teen furries fantasize about getting screwed by animals at some point, or at least cartoon characters who happen to be animals. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be a furry fandom. But whether these kids actually act on it or not is determined by many factors, a big one being whether or not they're being encouraged to do so by a third party. Marl was the one in financial, social, and emotional control over Glip, due to his age and the fact he had some minor experience living as a semi-independent (or, at least, money-earning) adult. He wasn't some turbo-autist that Glip shacked up with because he was easy to manipulate; he knew enough to try and be discreet about the shit he was doing to other victims, hence his need to drag them into private chats and use Glip's reputation in the fandom as a shield. He was a grown-ass adult for fucksake and Glip was a newly emancipated teen who was living with him, it's not that deep to realize that Marl was in control of their early relationship.

Glip's story is eerily similar to a lot of people I've known who ended up in similar circumstances, whether by staying with an emotionally or physically abusive spouse or being sexually groomed into doing favors on their partner's behalf they weren't comfortable with. I'm not sure if Glip engineered their apology with this in mind, but the visible age gap between them and Marl makes it very believable.

Glip might've broached the idea of having sex with a dog for sure, and if that was the case then they are accountable for what happened somewhat, but Marl was a grown man who decided to drive Glip out to a fucking barn so they could have sex with an animal, either for profit or personal entertainment (or both). That part of Glip's admission cannot really be ignored, and whether Glip was willing to fuck the dog or not is almost irrelevant at that point; they had been sexually interfered with while underage by a man (several, actually, if the statements regarding Dixon and Jason are true regarding dating Glip when they were as young as 12). Marl also allegedly resulted in Glip severing ties with her family and had in turn been enabled by a grown predator who knew exactly what he was doing. Even if they were 18 at the time the actual dog sex happened, it does not eliminate the fact that the grooming by Marl started when they were 16, and them being 18 when the dog sex happened, while legally an adult, does not automatically make them mature enough to know how to navigate around people who are actively trying to exploit them.

Marl was a sexual predator from the beginning just by trying to date Glip at 16. He was supposedly turning 20 at the time. He gave them fucking money to leave home. I'm not going to start blaming kids (even those who just turned eighteen, even Glip) for having their puberty and sexual development rerouted by a predatory adult for the sake of fetish fuel. No amount of "but they wanted it!" excuses someone like Marl dating a sixteen-year-old for the purposes of using that sixteen-year-old's sexual curiosity as an excuse to push them into making bestiality porn within two years. Had Glip been a couple months younger when they met Marl, it would be considered sexual interference from a legal standpoint. If Glip had snuck around Marl's back to fuck dogs or even "controlled Marl" somehow into pushing them to fuck dogs, this would be a very different story, but evidence (namely the fact Marl admitted to fucking dogs at as young as 12 to at least one of his other victims) suggests otherwise. They were aided and abetted and encouraged by Marl who was a self-admitted dogfucker, whose actions with others have proven his guilt with multiple other people.

What Glip did to others like BigFluff and Lain and Pengo when they tried to talk about the abuse was horrendous and morally bankrupt for sure, and what they're continuing to do to people like Hare and Odessa and others in their server stands as a testament to Glip's own behavior, absolutely. And, if Glip did actually enjoy the dog sex and continued it into their 20s after the supposedly traumatic first event, that definitely needs to be looked into and re-frames the event and their actions. But it does not eliminate what Marl did to facilitate that behavior of his own volition. All it does do is turn Glip's narrative from a passive enabler to an active participant, but it does not remove the fact that Marl did the same shit to them, when they were in their mid-teens, that he did to others. Glip's age alone at the time is damning.

Don't give Marl a free fucking pass just because you hate Glip and want to blame them for everything that has happened. They certainly didn't help and are at fault in some capacity for deliberately ignoring the abuse done against others for the sake of convenience, but Marl's decisions (including his own admittance) were his own to make and he chose to rape dogs and fuck children, and would've done that with or without Glip's consent. He is the very crux of this problem; Glip's inactivity and lifestyle was part of it for sure and gave him greater access to victims, but Marl was the one who was sending minors photos of dog dicks, beastiality vids and Bad Dragon dildos, and paying out of pocket to bring kids to their fucking house.

It's probable that Glip is enabling other predators now (knowingly or unknowingly, what does it matter) on their platform still. They enabled and helped Marl for decades so I see little reason why they would stop now just because they left him. As I've stated elsewhere before, people who grow up in abusive or risky living situations tend to go back to them because people are naturally predisposed to seek out familiarity. They are supposedly no longer under the thumb of a serial predator (theoretically, I'm sure Eevee and Opa still qualify somewhere) so, if Marl truly was the basis for all their suffering and he is now truly out of their lives, then Glip is to be held for their part in not only allowing him to flee, but visiting the same emotional damage onto other people after he has gone. If Glip or Eevee or any of their other buttbuddies are currently using the Floraverse platform to attack and groom kids (and signs point to this being very probable) then they stand for their own actions now.

However, Marl should absolutely not be forgotten or rugswept under the basis of "well Glip might've wanted to fuck dogs as a sixteen-year-old so they must've made Marl like it". Marl was doing that shit on his own (he told one of the other victims he molested a family dog at twelve for fucksake), and is allegedly still doing that shit now, and needs to be held accountable for it.

Tl;dr, Glip is a shitty and abusive individual but they didn't "force" or "talk Marl into" doing jack shit. Please stop redirecting all the blame onto Glip for something a guy four years their senior (not significant now they're adults, but very significant when Glip was a minor) chose to do. Glip has their own guilt to carry for what happened, absolutely, but Marl is still probably (and allegedly) out diddling dogs and raping kids as we speak now he's been divorced from the rest of Floraverse, and Glip being there or not isn't going to change what he is and probably always was.

But she both enabled and deliberately isolated him (and even joked about the latter). She had her part to play and I repeat, SHE was in charge of the relationship just based on their public dynamic and patterns. Don't you remember the 'Marl the cuck' jokes that were thrown around early on in the thread? The bitch was so comfortable with this guy that she slept with another guy UNDER THE SAME ROOF.

Also NO ONE followed Floraverse and PMD for Marl. They were there for PK. They engaged with Marl to get closer to their senpai purplekecleon. So yes she had her part to play in this, and it's beyond naive that you think it was all Marl.

EDIT: Finally, we DON'T know that Marl is still doing these things (the only thing we know is that he has a new girlfriend). But we DO know that PK and Eevee are still abusing and manipulating others. Knowing Marl, he still might be doing illegal things but we still have no tangible proof because PK WON'T provide ANY evidence or indicator of his new identity. Still protecting him till this day and using him to be her scapegoat.

 

[sad cowboy cat]

But she both enabled and deliberately isolated him (and even joked about the latter). She had her part to play and I repeat, SHE was in charge of the relationship just based on their public dynamic and patterns. Don't you remember the 'Marl the cuck' jokes that were thrown around early on in the thread? The bitch was so comfortable with this guy that she slept with another guy UNDER THE SAME ROOF.

Also NO ONE followed Floraverse and PMD for Marl. They were there for PK. They engaged with Marl to get closer to their senpai purplekecleon. So yes she had her part to play in this, and it's beyond naive that you think it was all Marl.

you're sounding just like glip @ lain dude, fucking chill. are you gonna call glip a parasite rumormongering cumpster too?

 

[Rosechuspickle]

you're sounding just like glip @ lain dude, fucking chill. are you gonna call glip a parasite rumormongering cumpster too?

PK was an adult when she ran PMD and Floraverse, fucking read.

Besides your sympathy for Pk got you in this mess.
' Don't white knight. Don't turn threads into an intervention. If you want to help, contact them privately. '
Like @Meowthkip said, you shouldn't have involved yourself with someone so obviously toxic.

 

[Pukebucket]

But she both enabled and deliberately isolated him (and even joked about the latter). She had her part to play and I repeat, SHE was in charge of the relationship just based on their public dynamic and patterns. Don't you remember the 'Marl the cuck' jokes that were thrown around early on in the thread? The bitch was so comfortable with this guy that she slept with another guy UNDER THE SAME ROOF.

Also NO ONE followed Floraverse and PMD for Marl. They were there for PK. They engaged with Marl to get closer to their senpai purplekecleon. So yes she had her part to play in this, and it's beyond naive that you think it was all Marl.

Oh I'm definitely not saying she didn't enable him at all, although I wonder about deliberately isolating him. Marl never struck me as someone who was social from the beginning at all, even before he got involved with Glip. He was a nobody and seemingly stayed a nobody.

You are absolutely right that everyone followed PMD for PK and not for Marl. PK had a following long before Marl came along for sure. But the notion that he didn't deliberately use that as a means of getting access to victims nor abused their desire to get close to PK to ensure they'd hang around was still very much Marl's decision, regardless of if Glip was aware of it or not.

Regarding the cucking; we know now that Marl was cucking Glip with teenagers as well. PK might've swung for the fences to get Eevee as a sidepiece first, but it's very clear that Marl had no trouble burying his jealousy and loneliness into nearby kids and dogs. Or was okay with PK and Eevee being together because then PK would be distracted so he could fool around, which, given he was fucking around with Exty and others, is very likely. It's possible he was cheating even before PK and Eevee were involved and PK wasn't aware of it. He seemed to take getting cucked in stride once he realized it meant he could bone whomever he wanted as long as PK had Eevee. They had an "open relationship".

I'm also not saying it was "all Marl" by any stretch of the imagination. PK absolutely enabled him for sure and at the very least made jerk fuel art for him and allowed him to sneak around and talk to kids on their server, even going so far as to shrug it off when he invited kids to their house and got a dog despite being a known dogfucker. But Marl was not an innocent bystander who just accidentally stumbled dick-first into someone who would put up with his "interests" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Rosechuspickle]

Oh I'm definitely not saying she didn't enable him at all, although I wonder about deliberately isolating him. Marl never struck me as someone who was social from the beginning at all, even before he got involved with Glip. He was a nobody and seemingly stayed a nobody.

You are absolutely right that everyone followed PMD for PK and not for Marl. PK had a following long before Marl came along for sure. But the notion that he didn't deliberately use that as a means of getting access to victims nor abused their desire to get close to PK to ensure they'd hang around was still very much Marl's decision, regardless of if Glip was aware of it or not.

Regarding the cucking; we know now that Marl was cucking Glip with teenagers as well. PK might've swung for the fences to get Eevee as a sidepiece first, but it's very clear that Marl had no trouble burying his jealousy and loneliness into nearby kids and dogs. Or was okay with PK and Eevee being together because then PK would be distracted so he could fool around, which, given he was fucking around with Exty and others, is very likely. It's possible he was cheating even before PK and Eevee were involved and PK wasn't aware of it. He seemed to take getting cucked in stride once he realized it meant he could bone whomever he wanted as long as PK had Eevee. They had an "open relationship".

I'm also not saying it was "all Marl" by any stretch of the imagination. PK absolutely enabled him for sure and at the very least made jerk fuel art for him and allowed him to sneak around and talk to kids on their server, even going so far as to shrug it off when he invited kids to their house and got a dog despite being a known dogfucker. But Marl was not an innocent bystander who just accidentally stumbled dick-first into someone who would put up with his "interests" by any stretch of the imagination.

Well we don't know if PK is being honest about her being completely unaware about Marl engaging with teens. Remember she's lied a lot in the past so we truly don't know. However what we do know is that her actions and words reflected that she was the dominant one in their dynamic. For example, when she found out he had sex behind her back she immediately put all his dirty laundry in the open and threatened to leave. Yet, THIS incident made her blood boil but not the dogfucking?

 

[Fistbeard_McThunderaxe]

Yet, THIS incident made her blood boil but not the dogfucking?

It wasn't known publicly. The narrative changes based on what information leads back to hurting her ego. We will never hear his recount of the story, just what PK tells us.

-----We only know what PK tells us and she has a long history of lying------

 

[Pukebucket]

Well we don't know if PK is being honest about her being completely unaware about Marl engaging with teens. Remember she's lied a lot in the past so we truly don't know. However what we do know is that her actions and words reflected that she was the dominant one in their dynamic. For example, when she found out he had sex behind her back she immediately put all his dirty laundry in the open and threatened to leave. Yet, THIS incident made her blood boil but not the dogfucking?

I'm not really denying that is likely either. We've already established Glip is a narc and filters information through a very narrow purview of "is this good or bad For Me" rather than what is actually morally acceptable or not. Of course Marl screwing other people would upset them but dogfucking wouldn't as much; because Marl wasn't going to leave Glip for a dog. In the mind of a narcissist, the only shit that matters is what can hurt them (or what they think can hurt them).

Marl's dogfucking could hurt their reputation. Marl's cheating could hurt their marriage. Any notion of Marl doing harm to other people is going to be secondary to someone who thinks like this, whether they're a narc or an enabler or both. My money's on both for Glip.

However, literally the entire crux of my statement is that Glip might get off to dogfucking and grooming kids too, or at least not give a shit about it, but Marl went out of his fucking way to actually do it and got caught repeatedly. He went after teens and dogs from since before he and Glip even started dating; I'm including Glip in that since he had no idea if Glip was serious about dating him (if the rumor that Glip just threw out the line on fucking DeviantArt is true), but decided to try it anyway. Claiming that PK was the only reason he did it is extremely disingenuous. He told Bigfluff or Pengo (I forget which and don't feel like digging right now, sorry) that he jumped fences to blow the neighbor's dog when he was twelve. Marl has been a sexual predator since long before he even knew PK.

My statement is not "Marl is bad therefore Glip can't be bad". It's "Marl and Glip are both bad but in slightly different ways". People need to stop saying that Glip is the only reason Marl is a chomo and a dog rapist. He would be those things regardless of Glip's presence, he just likely would've been caught faster.

And Glip can lie all they fucking want, but the logs of four other victims support the claim that Marl is and always was a goddamn creep.

It wasn't known publicly. The narrative changes based on what information leads back to hurting her ego. We will never hear his recount of the story, just what PK tells us.

-----We only know what PK tells us and she has a long history of lying------

If I'm being honest, I don't give a fuck what Marl's "side of the story" is. He actively groomed Lain and Bigfluff and iRootie and Pengo and who knows how many others. He has proven himself to be emotionally manipulative in the process; you don't just accidentally get good at finding emotionally vulnerable minors to recommend dog dildos to. If he didn't have Glips platform he would've found some other group to attach himself to, like Furry Valley or AltFurry or even the Zoosadism Crew. He wanted to find kids and dogs to fuck and once his first target, Glip, got too old for his well-established tastes, and they lost mutual interest in one another once Glip start canoodling with Eevee, he rerouted to targeting other kids. He would do this even if Glip didn't want him to.

Glip got upset he was cheating on them enough to post publicly about it. He was willing to cheat to get sexual gratification. What Glip wanted didn't matter to him; if Glip wanted him to fuck dogs he'd fuck dogs. If Glip didn't want him to fuck dogs, he'd do it anyway and then own up and rehome the dog. He'd still get his cake either way, especially if he felt Glip would forgive him for what he did (which Glip, of fucking course, did).

"I am not a pedophile ringleader. I do not spend my time grooming potential victims. I have never attempted to get a child who lived next door to visit my house for sex. I will never do that. I have no interest in children. The person circulating these rumors knows who they are. They've done this before, to other people. And for the longest time I was too afraid to say they were lying. I didn't want them to make up more rumors in retaliation. I thought - stupidly - that if I just stayed silent and ignored them long enough, they would go away. But that's never how it works."
-Marl's Apology to Glip

I am not going to be able to believe a single statement coming out of Marl's mouth even if he does come back; if he wants to pander to the "I'm so sowwy Glip made me do it" crowd then by all means, but he did what he did because he wanted to do it. All I'm saying is that Marl is a proven child groomer, molester, and dogfucker and the fact that you guys are still trying to redirect it back to "well it's Glip's fault he's like that : (" when he's been shown as being into kids (by dating Glip when they were fucking sixteen in the first place) and dogfucking (by admitting to blowing the neighbor's dog to Glip and other victims from when he was as young as twelve years old) then I legitimately don't know what to tell you.

Glip absolutely is an ass-headed narcissist and is using Marl's actions to abuse others on his behalf for the sake of spinning their own narrative about what happened. They might've even been down to dogfucking and jerking it to child porn. But Marl was, in my opinion, not being "led on" by Glip to do the shit he did. He was able to get Glip to cover his ass as the front end of Flora for months despite them taking the brunt of public aggression for what he did, while he just disconnected and sat back until the po-po showed up and he had to haul ass out of California before they started eyeballing his chat history. He moved them into his parent's house for fucksake when they fled; he clearly felt secure enough to bring Glip and Eevee with him so if he was being "abused" or "bullied" by them somehow it really begs the question as to why he was so desperate to cling onto Team Flora if he was supposedly just the emotionally battered house husband of a troon and an enbie.

 

[CallieMarie]

Terrible people tend to attract each other.

This in-fighting is stupid. Glip and Marl can both be terrible people at the same time. Both did different things that hurt a lot of people. In my opinion it doesn't matter who influenced who do what. They're both adults who ultimately decided to hurt children for their own personal benefit.

(But yeah, factually speaking it's extremely likely Marl groomed Glip, it's just not an excuse for what they did)

 

[Rosechuspickle]

I'm not really denying that is likely either. We've already established Glip is a narc and filters information through a very narrow purview of "is this good or bad For Me" rather than what is actually morally acceptable or not. Of course Marl screwing other people would upset them but dogfucking wouldn't as much; because Marl wasn't going to leave Glip for a dog. In the mind of a narcissist, the only shit that matters is what can hurt them (or what they think can hurt them).

Marl's dogfucking could hurt their reputation. Marl's cheating could hurt their marriage. Any notion of Marl doing harm to other people is going to be secondary to someone who thinks like this, whether they're a narc or an enabler or both. My money's on both for Glip.

However, literally the entire crux of my statement is that Glip might get off to dogfucking and grooming kids too, or at least not give a shit about it, but Marl went out of his fucking way to actually do it and got caught repeatedly. He went after teens and dogs from since before he and Glip even started dating; I'm including Glip in that since he had no idea if Glip was serious about dating him (if the rumor that Glip just threw out the line on fucking DeviantArt is true), but decided to try it anyway. Claiming that PK was the only reason he did it is extremely disingenuous. He told Bigfluff or Pengo (I forget which and don't feel like digging right now, sorry) that he jumped fences to blow the neighbor's dog when he was twelve. Marl has been a sexual predator since long before he even knew PK.

My statement is not "Marl is bad therefore Glip can't be bad". It's "Marl and Glip are both bad but in slightly different ways". People need to stop saying that Glip is the only reason Marl is a chomo and a dog rapist. He would be those things regardless of Glip's presence, he just likely would've been caught faster.

And Glip can lie all they fucking want, but the logs of four other victims support the claim that Marl is and always was a goddamn creep.


If I'm being honest, I don't give a fuck what Marl's "side of the story" is. He actively groomed Lain and Bigfluff and iRootie and Pengo and who knows how many others. He has proven himself to be emotionally manipulative in the process; you don't just accidentally get good at finding emotionally vulnerable minors to recommend dog dildos to. If he didn't have Glips platform he would've found some other group to attach himself to, like Furry Valley or AltFurry or even the Zoosadism Crew. He wanted to find kids and dogs to fuck and once his first target, Glip, got too old for his well-established tastes, and they lost mutual interest in one another once Glip start canoodling with Eevee, he rerouted to targeting other kids. He would do this even if Glip didn't want him to.

Glip got upset he was cheating on them enough to post publicly about it. He was willing to cheat to get sexual gratification. What Glip wanted didn't matter to him; if Glip wanted him to fuck dogs he'd fuck dogs. If Glip didn't want him to fuck dogs, he'd do it anyway and then own up and rehome the dog. He'd still get his cake either way, especially if he felt Glip would forgive him for what he did (which Glip, of fucking course, did).

"I am not a pedophile ringleader. I do not spend my time grooming potential victims. I have never attempted to get a child who lived next door to visit my house for sex. I will never do that. I have no interest in children. The person circulating these rumors knows who they are. They've done this before, to other people. And for the longest time I was too afraid to say they were lying. I didn't want them to make up more rumors in retaliation. I thought - stupidly - that if I just stayed silent and ignored them long enough, they would go away. But that's never how it works."
-Marl's Apology to Glip

I am not going to be able to believe a single statement coming out of Marl's mouth even if he does come back; if he wants to pander to the "I'm so sowwy Glip made me do it" crowd then by all means, but he did what he did because he wanted to do it. All I'm saying is that Marl is a proven child groomer, molester, and dogfucker and the fact that you guys are still trying to redirect it back to "well it's Glip's fault he's like that : (" when he's been shown as being into kids (by dating Glip when they were fucking sixteen in the first place) and dogfucking (by admitting to blowing the neighbor's dog to Glip and other victims from when he was as young as twelve years old) then I legitimately don't know what to tell you.

Glip absolutely is an ass-headed narcissist and is using Marl's actions to abuse others on his behalf. They might've even been down to dogfucking and jerking it to child porn. But Marl was, in my opinion, not being "led on" by Glip to do the shit he did. He was able to get Glip to cover his ass as the front end of Flora for months despite them taking the brunt of public aggression for what he did, while he just disconnected and sat back until the po-po showed up and he had to haul ass out of California before they started eyeballing his chat history. He moved them into his parent's house for fucksake when they fled; he clearly felt secure enough to bring Glip and Eevee with him so if he was being "abused" or "bullied" by them somehow it really begs the question as to why he was so desperate to cling onto Team Flora if he was supposedly just the emotionally battered house husband of a troon and an enbie.

PK expressed interest in the dynamic of an 'older woman and young boy' before and that's seperate from Marl's obsession with teen girls so we don't know if she had victims either. The only difference between Marl and PK so far is that Marl's logs were leaked and it confirmed his predatory ways. As a matter of fact he never expressed interest before the leak and was very private about it. The odds of PK being as creepy and predatory is pretty high, especially since she was so open to it.

Again I repeat, this is just me making assumptions. I'm not accusing her, I'm just saying we don't know if she did this. She lied about the dogfucking and her being unaware of Marl's zoophilic ways, she could lie about this too. I am for sure accusing her as being a well documented, serial liar.

And like him or not, Marl's side of the story could be important for dicussion sake. In the court of law, every witness or suspect has to be interrogated or interviewed to gain a clear picture. I hate him as much as everyone does, but him claiming PK as a willing participant and enabler could shed some light in her lies. Like how serial killers Ian Brady or Paul Bernardo provided information about their accomplices. Still huge pieces of shit that deserve punishment, but the police getting their side of the story are not bad people for wanting to get more pieces of the puzzle.

Also if disagreement and calling out someone's shit is 'in-fighting' then you need to lurk the farms more. This is part of the norm in other threads so, lurk moar.