2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Polyboros2]

To be fair to Mr. Zodiac, his image reform didn't start until after he almost lost to Beta O'Rourke and it should be factored in exactly how much money the DNC spent on Beta only to lose.

I have a feeling people like the new killer more than the old, just not enough to win in 2024.8

I theorize he was canvassing the_Donald in-between the convention and election in 2016 as the starting point for running in the next 4-8 years.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I like Ted 2.0, but someone like Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will do everything they can to kneecap him if he starts eating into their populist base. Nikki Hayley might run as a moderate to appeal to the suburbs. And I guess in theory Mike Pence might want to be president, but no way can he run on being the third Trump term like Bush did after Reagan. It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out next time; I don’t think the GOP has any establishment figures who could even place.

Assuming we have a country left in 2024, of course.

I don’t think Pence is electable by himself. He was needed as a socially conservative foil to Trump for VP. For President, where’s the appeal?

 

[heyitsmike]

The main issue that will keep RINOs from finding a home with the Dems is the purity test.

Even if these RINOs moved parties and followed the dem's party line to a T, they'd still be rejected and called DINOs because they once called themselves republicans.

Sounds like a personal problem.

the neolibs are dying just as quickly as the neocons are.

If that were true then Biden wouldn't have won the Dem nomination.

but someone like Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will do everything they can to kneecap him if he starts eating into their populist base.

Kneecap how? Can you give an example?

I'll agree that the GOP may have trouble with who's going to run in 2024 after Trump is out because they really don't seem to have many choices currently.

Really? From where I'm standing, the GOP has a bushel of choices for 2024. Pence, Cruz, Haley, Noem, Scott (SC), Scott (FL), Cotton, Hawley, Trump Jr, DeSantis... This will be by far the deepest field in my lifetime.

Why do you think the GOP will not have many choices? Do you think the Dems will have more credible candidates than the GOP? Because to me, they are the ones will no good choices for 2024.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Kneecap how? Can you give an example?

Just the usual intraparty slap fighting that occurs in every party primary. Highlighting ways in which Cruz is too cozy with establishment types, criticized Trump too much (even though he hasn’t for years), etc. Nothing too nefarious, just politics.

Cruz IMO is best positioned to continue the culture war aspect of Trump’s agenda (Twitter shitposts and general social media presence) while offering something of substance on policy that won’t alienate the suburban boomers who like low taxes and guns. He’s probably the closest to a consensus pick the GOP can get, him or Nikki Haley.

Hawley is probably the Trumpiest policy-wise and looks like he stepped out of central casting, and I expect him to emerge as the standard bearer for the “true” populists, assuming Tucker doesn’t run. If Tucker runs, everyone else gets btfo and thanks for playing.

 

[heyitsmike]

Just the usual intraparty slap fighting that occurs in every party primary.

Is that really kneecaping then?

If Tucker runs, everyone else gets btfo and thanks for playing.

Lol. I feel you vastly overestimate how much traction Tucker Carlson would get.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Is that really kneecaping then?

Potato, tomato.

Lol. I feel you vastly overestimate how much traction Tucker Carlson would get.

Maybe, but in a crowded field he would have the most inbuilt support. Even if he’s divisive, he’s polished, confident, and actually has ideas to defend. As we saw in 2016, you can win a nomination without majority support. You only need a plurality in a handful of early primaries to bleed the momentum from any remaining opponents and Tucker should easily be able to clear that bar.

A general election is an entirely different game and probably suits Nikki Haley or even Mike Pence the best, since they’re non-threatening to most people. Haley in particular would have the non-white woman cards to play in idpol stupid games. Tucker would probably lose that contest against generic Democratic Candidate because he’s so controversial.

But honestly I don’t know how it would all play out. I’ve been wrong before and I’ll surely be wrong again; the American voter is a mystery to me sometimes.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I haven't seen this discussed anywhere: how much do you think chink coof will affect the election outcome?

It might depress turnout in areas filled with coronavirus alarmists and people really anxious/worried/scared/terrified of the Wu Ping Cough (typically Democrat-majority areas), who might stay home out of fear of getting the Kung Flu.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I’m tired of white suburban liberals loudly demanding more affordable housing and more high rises in urban areas and then refusing to have any in their own towns.

The real solution would be to ban foreigners from owning houses they don’t plan on living in, but the politicians who get big money from China would never allow that.

They take big money from almost every shithole in the world like Saudi Arabia, Russia, UAE, Qataris, Pakistanis, Indians, Africans, South Americans, etc...

A shitload of corrupt politicians from other countries buy properties in the Western World.

 

[Meat Target]

I haven't seen this discussed anywhere: how much do you think chink coof will affect the election outcome? As in, if the coof spreads in more populated areas, and if the more populous cities are ran by dems, how many dem voters have died so far? Do you think that would be a relevant factor for when people show up to ballots?

I feel like it would be Trump's for the taking if it weren't for the media blaming Trump for the coof (in spite of them downplaying it more than the Right was in January/February, them focusing on the impeachment circus, and WHO carrying water for China).

Even though it's plain as day to anyone with eyes and ears that the press lie and flipflop on a daily basis, they have influence over just enough NPCs to make Biden winning because "muh Drumpf downplayed Coronachan" an election issue.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Knowing the enthusiasm rate that Biden has, I expect this to age like mílk

 

[SuiSui1]

I feel like it would be Trump's for the taking if it weren't for the media blaming Trump for the coof (in spite of them downplaying it more than the Right was in January/February, them focusing on the impeachment circus, and WHO carrying water for China).

Even though it's plain as day to anyone with eyes and ears that the press lie and flipflop on a daily basis, they have influence over just enough NPCs to make Biden winning because "muh Drumpf downplayed Coronachan" an election issue.

a possibility is that Trump uses the whole riots as a counter?

"I took the Wuhan virus seriously. But the democrats allowed unbridled rioters to rampage across their beautiful states and spread it beyond to others. My opponent, would have allowed the virus to go unchecked while allowing rioters to destroy this beautiful country with their destructive behavior. We are a people of Law and Order, that justice is equally applied regardless of race or creed." (possible Trump retort?)

 

[Meat Target]

a possibility is that Trump uses the whole riots as a counter?

"I took the Wuhan virus seriously. But the democrats allowed unbridled rioters to rampage across their beautiful states and spread it beyond to others. My opponent, would have allowed the virus to go unchecked while allowing rioters to destroy this beautiful country with their destructive behavior. We are a people of Law and Order, that justice is equally applied regardless of race or creed." (possible Trump retort?)

The Fact Checkers' response: "ACKTCHUALLY, the coof didn't come back because of the Peaceful Protests because um, uh, hummuna hummuna ORANGE MAN BAD!

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

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Knowing the enthusiasm rate that Biden has, I expect this to age like mílk

The fact that the video in the screenshot has 250k likes and over ten million views should be concerning.

 

[JambledUpWords]

The fact that the video in the screenshot has 250k likes and over ten million views should be concerning.

Twitter is known for their use of bots. Also, a lot of foreigners are invested in this election as well, so I bet at least some of them liked this tweet. Don’t take everything at face value.

 

[heyitsmike]

but in a crowded field he would have the most inbuilt support.

Lol. Again, I think you're vastly overestimating Tucker's support as a politician. Would he have inbuilt support? It's certainly possible. But so did Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard. Having a diehard 3% of your party's electorate is very impressive, but ultimately worthless.

American voter is a mystery to me sometimes

No offense, it's probably because your takes all seem to be generic conventional wisdom with no analysis nor basis in reality or history.

Let me paraphrase your last post:
"Tucker has the biggest cable show on the biggest conservative network. So Republican voters must like him. And if they like him why wouldn't they vote for him? That's got to be as many people as Trump had in the primaries, right? So then all he has to do is just win exactly like Trump did!

Pence and Haley seem like nice people. I'm sure people would vote for them because they're nice. Now that I think of it, Bob Ross and Mr. Rogers should have run for president too! Who could ever vote against nice guys like them? And Haley is a woman. The left never attacks a conservative woman. That's why Elise Stefanik and Priti Patel get respectful treatment from the Democrats and Labour over in the UK. And the left would never attack a minority conservative. What are they gonna do, call them race traitors or tokens? Also, Haley would juice the female vote, just like Sarah Palin did, which is why McCain won in 2008.

Yeah, Pence or Haley would be smooth sailing. The GOP should just do that."

 

[Meat Target]

The left never attacks a conservative woman.

Dana Loesch, Martha McSally, Abby Johnson, Lila Rose, Kaitlin Bennett, and Laura Ingraham would like to know your location.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Lol. Again, I think you're vastly overestimating Tucker's support as a politician. Would he have inbuilt support? It's certainly possible. But so did Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard. Having a diehard 3% of your party's electorate is very impressive, but ultimately worthless.


No offense, it's probably because your takes all seem to be generic conventional wisdom with no analysis nor basis in reality or history.

Let me paraphrase your last post:
"Tucker has the biggest cable show on the biggest conservative network. So Republican voters must like him. And if they like him why wouldn't they vote for him? That's got to be as many people as Trump had in the primaries, right? So then all he has to do is just win exactly like Trump did!

Pence and Haley seem like nice people. I'm sure people would vote for them because they're nice. Now that I think of it, Bob Ross and Mr. Rogers should have run for president too! Who could ever vote against nice guys like them? And Haley is a woman. The left never attacks a conservative woman. That's why Elise Stefanik and Priti Patel get respectful treatment from the Democrats and Labour over in the UK. And the left would never attack a minority conservative. What are they gonna do, call them race traitors or tokens? Also, Haley juice the female vote, just like Sarah Palin did, which is why McCain won in 2008.

Yeah, Pence or Haley would be smooth sailing. The GOP should just do that."

10/10 analysis. You’ve fairly characterized my thoughts on the subject, and your counter arguments are sophisticated, well-reasoned, and ultimately unassailable. What a fool am I.

 

[heyitsmike]

Dana Loesch, Martha McSally, Abby Johnson, Lila Rose, Kaitlin Bennett, and Laura Ingraham would like to know your location.

It was sarcasm, like the "which is why McCain won in 2008."

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It was sarcasm, like the "which is why McCain won in 2008."

I mean, Sarah Palin had nothing to do with why McCain lost in 2008, it is very likely she did help as much as she could given the McCain campaign did shit like send her into actively hostile interviews.

 

[heyitsmike]

I mean, Sarah Palin had nothing to do with why McCain lost in 2008, it is very likely she did help as much as she could given the McCain campaign did shit like send her into actively hostile interviews.

I agree. The point was that having a woman on the ticket was not enough of an automatic vote getter to get McCain to the White House.

If I had to rank everyone on the 2008 and 2012 GOP tickets, I would rank them
1. Sarah Palin
T-4. John McCain
T-4. Mitt Romney
T-4. Paul Ryan