Fair, I simply see you as painfully optimistic and naive when it comes to the larger structure of these sociological issues - a lot of the response is moderate reasoning with this being episodic and 'regular people will get sick of it and respond!' and while this is true, it doesn't negate the fact this is caused by a cultural dichotomy that's existed in the U.S. for decades and isn't going anywhere (something I'll address in a moment.)
Secondly, the MSM may support the radicals in the street but those radicals in the street have never supported the MSM or given a fuck about it while the bulk of the moderate left continue to be swayed entirely by mainstream media - YouTube videos of mainstream media reports that indicate high dislike ratios don't discount that fact at all; the truth is the moderate left isn't moving, it isn't being swayed towards the right, it isn't being swayed against these riots, it's being swayed to support them time and time again and you've now got an entire population of people in the U.S. fully and utterly ideologically convinced they live in a fascist police state and that is not the sort of grand-standing delusion easily quelled - the cultural rift has brought the 'cat out of the bag', so to speak, and there's no just shoving it back into the fucking bag and then walking away until it claws it's way back out of the bag and here we are all over again; the dissonant divide you mention isn't enough to sway the left from it's platform of "reason" because they've become religiously convinced of that sense of "reason" and at this point, radicalization is a freefall spiral that will continue for the left, riots or not, and while many, seemingly like you, would rather look at this in some kneejerk short-term light, I'd rather look at things in the long-term and acknowledge this problem isn't going anywhere and solving it the way we did ten different fucking times before isn't going to create a result where they don't come back for the 11th fucking time.
You know, what's interesting is the black divide you pointed out has existed for decades - it's like you're parroting early 2000's black Conservative logic here as if it has any relevance to the situation or to black culture, lol, considering despite the fact that this divide has existed, ghetto culture has become more and more prominent in the black community and larger and larger, not smaller and smaller, my guy, lol - if this is the case and niggerdom isn't the rule, then whence cometh normality and whence cometh a detraction away from all the retardism? Niggerdom is the rule and these good black men are the exception but it doesn't make the rule any less of a rule - we're living in a time where 'ghetto culture' has become more prominent among blacks than anything else, and taking a handful of black conservatives and elevating them like they somehow destroy and dissolve that rule in it's entirety is frightfully naive, especially when that reasoning is placed in-street in front of a bunch of angry white people who'd use the same reasoning I am now, and the only response would be 'yeah, but there's good black people!' - sure, that doesn't discount the millions of niggers though, does it?
At what point does niggerdom stop being normal to niggers? As far as I can see, ghetto culture and niggerdom have become more common, more acceptable, more normal, not less - an exception to the rule doesn't make the rule any less of a rule.
I don't disagree with much of what you say, nor with much of how you think.
But the difference between me and you is that I pretty much get exactly where you are coming from, where as you really haven't got where I'm coming from at all. You have assumed and inferred and tilted at windmills. It's ok. You're angry. You know you are losing and you want to do something about it. But this is why I don't follow leaders or engage with other human beings - there is always going to be someone on your side that drags you down or tries to veer you off
your course. I wish you well in your battles. You may be surprised at just how much I understand your Weltanschauung. But you may find many don't. If you want to convince or persuade, it would serve your 'cause' a lot more to not alienate your allies, be they weak or strong allegiencies.
I was not trying to espouse any great unique philosophy about niggers. As I said, I pretty much agree with much of your viewpoint. I was merely giving some context and some nuance for those listening in that I am not a bone-head fucking skinhead nazi with a pathological hatred for blacks. I get that most people knew that anyway, but I was just dropping some anecdotal points of view for a bit of balance.
You say I'm parroting this or that. Maybe so, but your argument that what I said has no relevance to black culture is quite plainly wrong on the face of it. It very much has everything to do with the situation and where we all find ourselves at in this moment. I'm sure anyone could see if they were reading me in the laid-back conversational sense as it was intended, that it was not meant to be a treatise on
the nigger question.
I've lived a long life. I've come in to contact with black people in many different contexts both professionally and personally. I've had unique experiences that very few others have had. And I've had a collection of them in different contexts again. I've been involved with race relations for a long time, and so have some other people I have had very close relationships with. There's very little anyone can tell me about the
nigger question.
Your paragraph berating my little hot take on things jumped to a lot of conclusions and was quite simplistic. It provided nothing I have not heard a hundred times before with its outlook or attitude.
You ask a very difficult question though:
At what point does niggerdom stop being normal to niggers? As far as I can see, ghetto culture and niggerdom have become more common, more acceptable, more normal, not less - an exception to the rule doesn't make the rule any less of a rule.
What is the question?
You have stated the obvious.
When will black people start behaving themselves and acting like civilized people? I'm not sure they ever will. Not left to their own devices, anyway. At the SCALE we are at now, it probably would take a small genocide to even make them prick up their ears and take notice. They are that far gone. Most of them. But not all of them.
A good starting point before all that nasty genocide stuff would be for fucking white people to speak up and stop indulging them in their little victimhood fantasy. But there are laws against that, at least in my country. And so we come back to the same arguments over and over. There isn't supposed to be a peaceful solution to this. I don't want genocide, but those who run the world do. And they will get it too. They have sewn the seeds for it and soon they will instigate it even if it is not carried out by their own hands (it never is).
I'm just a little person in this world. No one listens to what I say or what I think. And why should they?
I don't want war. I don't want to fight. I want us all to live peacefully together. But the elites don't want that, and they have devised a system where the police will arrest you to do their bidding and the courts will prosecute you to do their bidding if one fights for peace. If one doesn't fight for peace, then we get war anyway and they get what they want. This is why what is about to happen is inevitable.
So don't worry, you will get your mass graves. We all will.
We may even get a few graves of our own, for our own kind as well.
This is why I don't venture in to political discourse, usually. My white friends think I'm a fucking Nigger lover. My black friends think I'm a screaming genocidal White Supremacist Nazi. Well, the ones close enough to even have these kinds of conversations with, anyway. It's a lonely place.
Try to realise that you are being a tad too idealistic, and that in that big wide world out there, there are many many good black people. Far more than you give credit for. They may not be a silent majority, but they are a significant proportion none the less.
This seems to be a blind spot for the vast majority of people. They are not able to visualise the whole of a problem, yet make the mistake of thinking that they do. Only experience in life can go some small way to making up those blind spots. Still, it falls far short. We are all ignorant. We all have massive blind spots in many areas. All we can do is realise this and maybe with a little help from our friends, those with different viewpoints, those with different life experiences, we can slowly join the dots to make up the whole. We never will of course, because we all have our own perspectives and needs and wants. Some of us are greedy, some of us are altruistic. The greedy take advantage of the altruistic. Predator/Prey.
And even though I believe black people need to get their own house in order, I equally believe that fucking white people need to start doing that too. We can't blame blacks for shirking their responsibility when we shirk ours at the same time.
White people are a fucking disgrace!
And I for one will welcome the beatdowns a lot of them are going to get if they don't get their fucking shit sorted out. Because it's coming. And they will deserve every last slap of it. And we haven't even touched upon the
Paki question or the
Spic question yet.
Because they will want their reparations too at some point. Their deep hatred for whites will surface eventually, because even though they tend to behave a lot better than niggers on the whole, they still foster that same inherent resentment.
I get it. I'm on your side Evo. Please don't take me for an apologist for anyone. And if I do have any naivety, I assure you it is only because I work very very fucking hard to maintain it and not become embittered and cynical.
Honestly, I really do get it! And so do half the people you converse with on this forum when you have your debates. I see that much. I see conflicting yet not contradictory angles of coming at a common argument.
The whole of humanity hates fucking white people. Even half of the whites themselves.
Your solutions may be the right way forward. I don't know. They may be the only way forward, eventually.
I have nothing to offer in the way of that kind of answer to this whole shit show.
Just let the water run its course and find its own level.
Things are gonna get much much worse before they even have a chance of getting better, that much is for sure, and probably a point we could both agree on.
