Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

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The archive is of Dank's tweet, since TakeDownMRAs seems to be in protected mode.

In case you're wondering, TakedownMRAs is the epitome of a "feminist white-knight", which naturally means "male feminist predator".

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Why do the always have to include a jab at capitalism? Not to sound like a cheerleader but it’s just weird they have to show how anti capitalist they are in every scenario.
And the receding hairline and La Choy beard combo is really making me uncomfortable.
 
I genuinely wonder if they've ever enjoyed black culture beyond what's commercialized and easy to get outraged of. For example, have they ever enjoyed their food? Back when I was a teen, my family sometimes went to visit relatives in Memphis and every time we had lunch at this little restaurant owned and run by a black family. It was the best barbecue I've had in my life, to this day.

I guess proper black food would be too rich for these idiots' soy-enriched blood...
They commercialized Nashville hot chicken (which was invented by the black community of Nashville during Jim Crow) which used to be unknown outside of Tennessee, and in Tennessee you'd only get your hot chicken in restaurants in the ghetto where your meal would be pushed through bars in the window. Now you can buy shitty "Nashville hot chicken" nuggies in frozen packages and KFC and other restaurants have "Hot Chicken Sandwiches" and those ghettos are gentrified to hell and back. Curiously, they'll never call this "cultural appropriation", even though hot chicken is only popular because black churches in Nashville would serve it on Sundays (along with hot fish which is still obscure).

A soy-filled white hipster proposing "hot tofu" to a black chef sounds like good material for a comedy.
Why do the always have to include a jab at capitalism? Not to sound like a cheerleader but it’s just weird they have to show how anti capitalist they are in every scenario.
And the receding hairline and La Choy beard combo is really making me uncomfortable.
They must prove they're anti-capitalist and thus true communists even though every major corporation is backing them.
 
Yeah. The best way to give people a chance of social mobility is to have systems in place that let people have a roughly equal start off. So places like the Scandinavian countries where there’s high quality and cheap childcare and preschools for example do OK. Give everyone access to a decent start off, a decent healthcare system and decent education in a country with fair and transparent laws.
After that, you can’t enforce it, because people are different. People will reach different heights, people want different things, have different capabilities and they will raise their families as they see fit. You can’t enforce equality from the back end without dragging people down. You can only have a fair start and a system that’s not crooked, and let people do what they will. Socialism just drags everyone down to the same level of mediocrity.

The funny thing about the Scandanavian model, is that it actually is amazing, but now that it's being infected by US-style social justice politics, it's starting to destroy itself.

"Give everyone a good equal start and redistribute surplus wealth, but otherwise leave people to earn their place, and then responsibly teach them to *want* to earn their place" actually achieves true social mobility, which means people wind up sorting each other out into a social hierarchy more or less on merit - which, as it turns out, is actually healthy and rather pleasant to live in!

But then you wind up with an equity-based philosophy being imposed from outside, and the whole system starts neurotically picking itself bloody worrying about whether the existence of a hierarchy at all implies some kind of moral failure.

Look, if I lived in a culture where the people who had more control over my life than I do got there because they were smarter and more compassionate and more civically-minded than I was, I'd basically call that heaven. It would mean that I could *trust* the companies that built my products and the people who ran my government to *do their jobs well* and not fail me due to malevolence or incompetence.

The Scandanavian system *worked*; I have no fucking clue why they'd want to take cues from a broke-ass system like the US.
 
Isn't Scandinavia being destroyed by massive third world immigration, though? There are the consequences of believing everyone is as good and altruistic as you are. Sure, Sweden probably looked nice in 1980. Now, it is a weird laughing stock that desperately tries to pretend the nignogs aren't taking it apart.

Details matter. Immigration is tearing it apart because they're using a multicultural paradigm rather than an assimilationist paradigm for managing "integration" into their society. The system would break down just as hard if a bunch of right wing whitebread American types immigrated en masse; in fact, the failure modes would look almost identical.

A smart Scandanavian country would sit down immigrants and say "look, fucko. The entire system you fled to come here was failing; that's why you came here in the first place. Don't you dare try to bring it with you."
 
Isn't Scandinavia being destroyed by massive third world immigration, though? There are the consequences of believing everyone is as good and altruistic as you are. Sure, Sweden probably looked nice in 1980. Now, it is a weird laughing stock that desperately tries to pretend the nignogs aren't taking it apart.

Yea, it turns out the Nordic model only works in a racially homogeneous society.
 
Yea, it turns out the Nordic model only works in a racially homogeneous society.

Again, my intuition strongly disagrees with this. I think it only works in a strongly *culturally* homogenous society, but racial homogeneity isn't actually necessary at all. Racial divisions are a good proxy for cultural divisions in a lot of cases, which is why people tend to entrain on them, but the whole race thing is actually epiphenomenal.

I harp on this because I'm one of those dudes who's convinced that facts actually matter, and that getting this kind of shit wrong will have dire consequences for our great-grandkids.

In my estimation, based on various bits of (I hope) unpolluted research, race actually matters a *little* in very specific circumstances, but culture matters a lot all across the board. And the two together wind up amplifying the racial differences in the places where race does matter, especially where little differences in innate ability lead to massive differences in outcome. (This is the paradox you hear quoted in IDW circles, where making things more equal actually seems to magnify the innate differences between groups.)

Tldr: race can actually be a big deal if you're going for a Nobel prize or an Olympic medal, assuming that all other differences have been smoothed out. But if you'r talking about something as multi-dimensional as "successful integration into a foreign culture", cultural upbringing is gonna be at least a full order of magnitude more significant.
 
Tldr: race can actually be a big deal if you're going for a Nobel prize or an Olympic medal, assuming that all other differences have been smoothed out. But if you'r talking about something as multi-dimensional as "successful integration into a foreign culture", cultural upbringing is gonna be at least a full order of magnitude more significant.
So, in short, if you're bringing in immigrants make sure they see themselves as part of the nation they're immigrating to. If you find yourself with ghettos, you already failed.
 
So, in short, if you're bringing in immigrants make sure they see themselves as part of the nation they're immigrating to. If you find yourself with ghettos, you already failed.

Not *necessarily*, but probably yes. If you find yourself with ghettos, you're in trouble. If the kids in those ghettos aren't striving to assimilate, then you are fuuuuucked.

There's a reason Asians are considered "model minorities" - their cultural assumptions about success tend to mesh *very* well with their kids growing up wanting to assimilate. And the great thing about assimilation, from a lefty perspective, is that you get all the benefits of multiculturalism along with it - properly assimilated second-generation immigrants will actually bring the cool parts of their culture with them and offer them to you, and they *do the work themselves* of figuring out which parts of their old culture are the "cool parts".

Of course, leave it to the "social justice" crowd to call the actually *healthy* version of multiculturalism "cultural appropriation" and universally condemn it. It's like I'm surrounded on both sides by idiots.
 
Yea, it turns out the Nordic model only works in a racially homogeneous society.
Or at the very least a culturally homogeneous one. If I went somewhere like, I dunno, Japan, I'd understand that despite my looks I should act "Japanese" in order to live harmoniously with those around me.
 
The issue with race and culture and immigration into Scandinavia is that we're mostly dealing with three (or two, depending on how you want to view it) groups that they're trying to assimilate: Arabs, Africans, and Muslims. Racially these groups have an IQ on average that's roughly a standard deviation below your average ethnic Swede, Norwegian, etc. On top of that, when paired with a religion such as Islam and the discussion of culture and integration: how do you integrate Islam into what is essentially a very feminist society like what Sweden has? Do you ban Islam? Can you ban it? Good luck with that. And furthermore how does one reconcile that culture has a lot to do with race/IQ?

It's somewhat analogous to the discussion of wanting to put minorities into Harvard or Yale to fill a quota. Putting someone there who doesn't have the capability just isn't going to work out; getting thrown into a class there doesn't suddenly make you capable of performing to its requirements (much like the 'magic soil' thought process that many seem to wish for immigration). And not only does it set them up for failure, it hurts those who deserve to be there or who are being hurt by being around those who aren't capable (or willing).

If one is to look at the native population's perspective (which the mainstream doesn't like to do if the natives are white), why would I want a bunch of Muslims brought in? Am I supposed to really recite the 'but think of the food' meme religiously? Am I not supposed to have my in group preference like everyone else? Why should I want put up with the burdens of bringing in these radically different people (again, I don't believe that they're going to assimilate enough for it to even be woth the risk even if I WAS someone would wanted them [t]here)?
 
The issue with race and culture and immigration into Scandinavia is that we're mostly dealing with three (or two, depending on how you want to view it) groups that they're trying to assimilate: Arabs, Africans, and Muslims. Racially these groups have an IQ on average that's roughly a standard deviation below your average ethnic Swede, Norwegian, etc. On top of that, when paired with a religion such as Islam and the discussion of culture and integration: how do you integrate Islam into what is essentially a very feminist society like what Sweden has? Do you ban Islam? Can you ban it? Good luck with that. And furthermore how does one reconcile that culture has a lot to do with race/IQ?

It's somewhat analogous to the discussion of wanting to put minorities into Harvard or Yale to fill a quota. Putting someone there who doesn't have the capability just isn't going to work out; getting thrown into a class there doesn't suddenly make you capable of performing to its requirements (much like the 'magic soil' thought process that many seem to wish for immigration). And not only does it set them up for failure, it hurts those who deserve to be there or who are being hurt by being around those who aren't capable (or willing).

If one is to look at the native population's perspective (which the mainstream doesn't like to do if the natives are white), why would I want a bunch of Muslims brought in? Am I supposed to really recite the 'but think of the food' meme religiously? Am I not supposed to have my in group preference like everyone else? Why should I want put up with the burdens of bringing in these radically different people (again, I don't believe that they're going to assimilate enough for it to even be woth the risk even if I WAS someone would wanted them [t]here)?

K, so there's a lot to unpack here. First of all, given the trends hinted at by the Flynn effect, we probably haven't seen the actual proper IQ range of African and Middle Eastern phenotypes. Genes matter, but childhood nutrition matters a LOT more. So just because these cultures tend to produce stupid people, doesn't necessarily mean it's phenotypical - their kids could turn out to be geniuses with a proper diet and education. (Remember that before they went crazy in the 1300s, the Muslim world was basically the center of culture, learning and research west of China.)

Of course, a culture can *breed* itself stupid in a few dozen generations, but that takes some special circumstances that aren't necessarily in evidence in the Muslim world, so I would be very wary of describing the problem in terms of innate intelligence.

Also note that a fiftieth generation Bedouin goatherder isn't the same phenotype at ALL as a fifteenth generation descendant of a Caliphate sultan whose second-born sons traded gold and spices for the prettiest and smartest wives in Araby.

The issue with race and culture and immigration into Scandinavia is that we're mostly dealing with three (or two, depending on how you want to view it) groups that they're trying to assimilate: Arabs, Africans, and Muslims. Racially these groups have an IQ on average that's roughly a standard deviation below your average ethnic Swede, Norwegian, etc. On top of that, when paired with a religion such as Islam and the discussion of culture and integration: how do you integrate Islam into what is essentially a very feminist society like what Sweden has? Do you ban Islam? Can you ban it? Good luck with that. And furthermore how does one reconcile that culture has a lot to do with race/IQ?

It's somewhat analogous to the discussion of wanting to put minorities into Harvard or Yale to fill a quota. Putting someone there who doesn't have the capability just isn't going to work out; getting thrown into a class there doesn't suddenly make you capable of performing to its requirements (much like the 'magic soil' thought process that many seem to wish for immigration). And not only does it set them up for failure, it hurts those who deserve to be there or who are being hurt by being around those who aren't capable (or willing).

If one is to look at the native population's perspective (which the mainstream doesn't like to do if the natives are white), why would I want a bunch of Muslims brought in? Am I supposed to really recite the 'but think of the food' meme religiously? Am I not supposed to have my in group preference like everyone else? Why should I want put up with the burdens of bringing in these radically different people (again, I don't believe that they're going to assimilate enough for it to even be woth the risk even if I WAS someone would wanted them [t]here)?

To answer the "why would anyone want them?" question, there really was something like bottled lightning captured by the US in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when we basically told Europe to send us their dregs and we alchemically reforged them into the most prosperous nation on Earth.

Remember that Poles and Irish and Italians actually had the same deficits that we now see in Muslims and Africans, and for the most part that worked out well (the Mafia being a notable exception, but I question whether the Mafia would have been a big deal if not for Prohibition.)
 
Isn't Scandinavia being destroyed by massive third world immigration, though?
Again, my intuition strongly disagrees with this. I think it only works in a strongly *culturally* homogenous society, but racial homogeneity isn't actually necessary at all. Racial divisions are a good proxy for cultural divisions in a lot of cases, which is why people tend to entrain on them, but the whole race thing is actually epiphenomenal.
There's a reason Asians are considered "model minorities" - their cultural assumptions about success tend to mesh *very* well with their kids growing up wanting to assimilate.
Someone on here a while back made the comparison with the film Fargo - a nice community where two really bad people are able to cause havoc because the community is pretty decent, and they’re not used to such behaviour.
That’s pretty much what’s happened in sweden (where I lived for several years So I do know what I’m talking about.) they imported too many of the wrong people too fast and assumed that everyone thinks like them and they’d automatically become Swedish.
But it doesn’t work. And I don’t think it’s colour per se it’s culture. Asians do well because they don’t try to push their culture into the host nation at all - you never see Vietnamese or Japanese insisting we do things their way, they just keep their family traditions and integrate in public. Islam is different, it seeks to dominate.
When I first went to live in sweden I went to a language class and they separate you by education - the lowest one had a section about ‘how not to assault women, we dont do that here.’ You’re starting from a base of being illiterate and having no regard for women, or your host country and no desire to integrate only to dominate. That’s totally different to a Japanese family coming over and keeping their kids doing well at school.
What’s fucked sweden is too many people coming in and those people being the worst kind of immigrants - and then that hits the host culture which frankly is totally naive and blue eyed and thinks that everything can be solved by being nice to people.
Sweden is still a nice place but it’s not what it was in most cities now - you can’t have that level of high trust society with any proportion of people who don’t play along by the rules. It only works if almost everyone is working, paying tax and behaving well. I.e culturally homogenous.
Believe me that native swedes are totally fucking sick of it as well. That’s why the SD (genuinely right wing party, and not in the best way) polled so high last time.
 
Someone on here a while back made the comparison with the film Fargo - a nice community where two really bad people are able to cause havoc because the community is pretty decent, and they’re not used to such behaviour.
That’s pretty much what’s happened in sweden (where I lived for several years So I do know what I’m talking about.) they imported too many of the wrong people too fast and assumed that everyone thinks like them and they’d automatically become Swedish.
But it doesn’t work. And I don’t think it’s colour per se it’s culture. Asians do well because they don’t try to push their culture into the host nation at all - you never see Vietnamese or Japanese insisting we do things their way, they just keep their family traditions and integrate in public. Islam is different, it seeks to dominate.
When I first went to live in sweden I went to a language class and they separate you by education - the lowest one had a section about ‘how not to assault women, we dont do that here.’ You’re starting from a base of being illiterate and having no regard for women, or your host country and no desire to integrate only to dominate. That’s totally different to a Japanese family coming over and keeping their kids doing well at school.
What’s fucked sweden is too many people coming in and those people being the worst kind of immigrants - and then that hits the host culture which frankly is totally naive and blue eyed and thinks that everything can be solved by being nice to people.
Sweden is still a nice place but it’s not what it was in most cities now - you can’t have that level of high trust society with any proportion of people who don’t play along by the rules. It only works if almost everyone is working, paying tax and behaving well. I.e culturally homogenous.
Believe me that native swedes are totally fucking sick of it as well. That’s why the SD (genuinely right wing party, and not in the best way) polled so high last time.

So basically, it's an Eternal September problem.

And when they have money to burn through, which they're running out of.
"Running out of money" is a badly framed problem for a sovereign nation. At this scale, money represents tangible and non-tangible resources. So which actual resources are scarce?

Someone on here a while back made the comparison with the film Fargo - a nice community where two really bad people are able to cause havoc because the community is pretty decent, and they’re not used to such behaviour.
That’s pretty much what’s happened in sweden (where I lived for several years So I do know what I’m talking about.) they imported too many of the wrong people too fast and assumed that everyone thinks like them and they’d automatically become Swedish.
But it doesn’t work. And I don’t think it’s colour per se it’s culture. Asians do well because they don’t try to push their culture into the host nation at all - you never see Vietnamese or Japanese insisting we do things their way, they just keep their family traditions and integrate in public. Islam is different, it seeks to dominate.
When I first went to live in sweden I went to a language class and they separate you by education - the lowest one had a section about ‘how not to assault women, we dont do that here.’ You’re starting from a base of being illiterate and having no regard for women, or your host country and no desire to integrate only to dominate. That’s totally different to a Japanese family coming over and keeping their kids doing well at school.
What’s fucked sweden is too many people coming in and those people being the worst kind of immigrants - and then that hits the host culture which frankly is totally naive and blue eyed and thinks that everything can be solved by being nice to people.
Sweden is still a nice place but it’s not what it was in most cities now - you can’t have that level of high trust society with any proportion of people who don’t play along by the rules. It only works if almost everyone is working, paying tax and behaving well. I.e culturally homogenous.
Believe me that native swedes are totally fucking sick of it as well. That’s why the SD (genuinely right wing party, and not in the best way) polled so high last time.

Also interesting in that Fargo (as portrayed) is basically a Scandanavian settlement.
 
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