Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Claims have been made that the liberal capitalist government of New Zealand had controlled coronavirus.

Claims have been made that this could be credited to 'female leadership' (an oxymoron).

Tonight, it was revealed that this was a lie. Coronavirus was not under control. Instead, the piss weak faggot lawyers and dried up cunts who run our government had simply succeeded in keeping test numbers so low as not to detect the wide spread of the virus through the population.

At this point, only four cases have been demonstrated, but they are understood to have been transmitted through multiple workplaces and schools.

Apparently, useless cunt Jacinda Ardern was quite capable of stealing most of our legally owned centre-fire semiautos. But controlling a virus, that could be controlled SIMPLY BY NOT ALLOWING CHINKS AND DOTHEADS INTO A WHITE COUNTRY AND TESTING PROPERLY WITHIN THE ACTUAL POPULATION OF ACTUAL NEW ZEALANDERS? Impossible. So now, we're back to lockdown. For no god reason at all.

The only silver lining is that- for now at least- the most harsh restrictions are only being applied to Auckland, where few New Zealanders live.
The infected people are from the same family in south Auckland.

The source of their infection is unknown.

Ms Ardern said Auckland would now move to level three restrictions for three days as a "precautionary approach", while level two restrictions would be imposed in the rest of the country.
"While we have worked hard to avoid this scenario, we have also prepared for it," she said at an emergency press conference.

She said increased caution was required because the origin of the virus was unknown.
 
Claims have been made that the liberal capitalist government of New Zealand had controlled coronavirus.

Claims have been made that this could be credited to 'female leadership' (an oxymoron).

Tonight, it was revealed that this was a lie. Coronavirus was not under control. Instead, the piss weak faggot lawyers and dried up cunts who run our government had simply succeeded in keeping test numbers so low as not to detect the wide spread of the virus through the population.

At this point, only four cases have been demonstrated, but they are understood to have been transmitted through multiple workplaces and schools.

Apparently, useless cunt Jacinda Ardern was quite capable of stealing most of our legally owned centre-fire semiautos. But controlling a virus, that could be controlled SIMPLY BY NOT ALLOWING CHINKS AND DOTHEADS INTO A WHITE COUNTRY AND TESTING PROPERLY WITHIN THE ACTUAL POPULATION OF ACTUAL NEW ZEALANDERS? Impossible. So now, we're back to lockdown. For no god reason at all.

The only silver lining is that- for now at least- the most harsh restrictions are only being applied to Auckland, where few New Zealanders live.

Is it possible that this virus lays dormant in some people for longer periods?
 
Is it possible that this virus lays dormant in some people for longer periods?
I've been keeping myself as aware of the science as I can as a layman, stocking up on supplies and protective gear.

When it comes down to it.. I think it's pretty well established at this point that a 14 day quarantine period, with at least two tests, one towards the start and one towards the end of the period is a sound and safe choice for detecting any cases coming in, as long as other reasonable precautions are taken.

Now, this was supposed to be enforced within New Zealand. However:
  1. Initially, all of these 14 day quarantines were 'self quarantines'. In other words, there was no real quarantine at all. People carrying the virus were just allowed to wander round.
  2. After that clearly failed, some quarantine facilities were supposedly established in hotels and the like, with some very lax enforcement of quarantine restrictions by security guards. There have been numerous cases where people 'under quarantine' just walked away and got caught wandering around
  3. Tests were not necessarily actually carried out unless people were obviously sick.
  4. In theory these quarantine facilities are now being guarded by police but NZ police are very lax. People allowed in were not even confined to their rooms in the quarantine facilities but allowed to wander around within them, freely. If testing had actually been conducted properly, this wouldn't have been a big deal. But it wasn't, so one can assume that the virus could well have been spread within these facilities that were supposed to protect New Zealanders.
  5. Testing was very difficult to access in the community unless you were very sick and surveillance testing was not being conducted at any reasonable level, so the virus could have been circulating freely for weeks now.
Jacinda Ardern is a stupid cunt and she shouldn't run an op shop, let alone a country.
 
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To hell with forcing us all to take a goddamned likely useless vaccine, they want to force us to take "moral enhancement" pills -- brainwashing drugs to make us complacent with their "superior morality" so we'll wear masks forever. (I'm guessing lithium?)

Those who seek to dispense morality pills need to be dosed with quiet pills instead.
 
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Am dude.

(I'm tall and decently fit if that counts for anything)
It was a huge stream of drama and exaggeration at 6 AM that was absolutely uninformative *COVID is so new we don't know anything about it!") that was a waste of airtime.

I rarely listen to NPR these days but they've been running this garbage non-stop since March. No wonder normies are freaked out.
This is what fucking irks me, the whole "its newwww so wee jusssst dont know!".
Like bitch its a fucking Coronavirus. It might be a "novel" Coronavirus, but its still a fucking Coronavirus.
The initial fears were that this was SARS 2.0, which is fair due to a like 76% genetic similarity; but the worst case scenario has been found to be false and its starting to resemble the majority of its cousins which aren't SARS & MERS.

If a new species of snake or turtle were discovered tomorrow, I could tell you a lot about that species just based on what family its in, even more if you can get it down to sub-family or genus.

People act like COVID being "new" means its therefore AIDS + Typhoid + Rabies + The Villain in Osmosis Jones.
 
Folks, want to reiterate a few things.

Cases don't equate to hospitalizations. Most patients never see a hospital.

Hospitalizations don't equate to deaths. Most patients recover.

For all the whining about the increase in cases, why aren't the hospital ships deployed? Why aren't the contingency hospitals set up, manned, and ready to go?

Why doesn't the media want people to know these things? Who gains from bullshitting the people?

Might be worth your time to ask these questions in the "Comments" section of your local media. Might be time to ask these questions of your "elected leaders". They may do nothing, but at least they'll know people are on to them.

Just some thoughts, and humble suggestions. I wish everyone a great day.
 
New York’s true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy
NEW YORK (AP) — Riverdale Nursing Home in the Bronx appears, on paper, to have escaped the worst of the coronavirus pandemic, with an official state count of just four deaths in its 146-bed facility.

The truth, according to the home, is far worse: 21 dead, most transported to hospitals before they succumbed.

“It was a cascading effect,” administrator Emil Fuzayov recalled. “One after the other.”

New York’s coronavirus death toll in nursing homes, already among the highest in the nation, could actually be a significant undercount. Unlike every other state with major outbreaks, New York only counts residents who died on nursing home property and not those who were transported to hospitals and died there.

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing a better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire.

“That’s a problem, bro,” state Sen. Gustavo Rivera, a Democrat, told New York Health Commissioner Howard Zucker during a legislative hearing on nursing homes earlier this month. “It seems, sir, that in this case you are choosing to define it differently so that you can look better.”

How big a difference could it make? Since May, federal regulators have required nursing homes to submit data on coronavirus deaths each week, whether or not residents died in the facility or at a hospital. Because the requirement came after the height of New York’s outbreak, the available data is relatively small. According to the federal data, roughly a fifth of the state’s homes reported resident deaths from early June to mid July — a tally of 323 dead, 65 percent higher than the state’s count of 195 during that time period.

Even if half that undercount had held true from the start of the pandemic, that would translate into thousands more nursing home resident deaths than the state has acknowledged.

Another group of numbers also suggests an undercount. State health department surveys show 21,000 nursing home beds are lying empty this year, 13,000 more than expected — an increase of almost double the official state nursing home death tally. While some of that increase can be attributed to fewer new admissions and people pulling their loved ones out, it suggests that many others who aren’t there anymore died.

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However flawed New York’s count, Cuomo has not been shy about comparing it to tallies in other states.

Nearly every time Cuomo is questioned about New York’s nursing home death toll, he brushes off criticism as politically motivated and notes that his state’s percentage of nursing home deaths out of its overall COVID-19 death toll is around 20%, far less than Pennsylvania’s 68%, Massachusetts’ 64% and New Jersey’s 44%.

“Look at the basic facts where New York is versus other states,” Cuomo said during a briefing Monday. “You look at where New York is as a percentage of nursing home deaths, it’s all the way at the bottom of the list.”

In another briefing last month, he touted New York’s percentage ranking as 35th in the nation. “Go talk to 34 other states first. Go talk to the Republican states now — Florida, Texas, Arizona — ask them what is happening in nursing homes. It’s all politics.”

Boston University geriatrics expert Thomas Perls said it doesn’t make sense that nursing home resident deaths as a percentage of total deaths in many nearby states are more than triple what was reported in New York.

“Whatever the cause, there is no way New York could be truly at 20%,” Perls said.

A running tally by The Associated Press shows that more than 68,200 residents and staff at nursing homes and long-term facilities across the nation have died from the coronarivus, out of more than 163,000 overall deaths.

For all 43 states that break out nursing home data, resident deaths make up 44% of total COVID deaths in their states, according to data from the Kaiser Family Foundation. Assuming the same proportion held in New York, that would translate to more than 11,000 nursing home deaths.

To be sure, comparing coronavirus deaths in nursing homes across states can be difficult because of the differences in how states conduct their counts. New York is among several states that include probable COVID-19 deaths as well as those confirmed by a test. Some states don’t count deaths from homes where fewer than five have died. Others don’t always give precise numbers, providing ranges instead. And all ultimately rely on the nursing homes themselves to provide the raw data.

“Everybody is doing it however they feel like doing it. We don’t have very good data. It’s just all over the place, all over the country,” said Toby Edelman of the Center for Medicare Advocacy, a nonprofit representing nursing home residents.

New York health chief Zucker explained during the legislative hearing that New York only counts deaths on the nursing home property to avoid “double-counting” deaths in both the home and the hospital. And while he acknowledged the state keeps a running count of nursing home resident deaths at hospitals, he declined to provide even a rough estimate to lawmakers.

“I will not provide information that I have not ensured is absolutely accurate,” Zucker said. “This is too big an issue and it’s too serious an issue.”

Zucker promised to provide lawmakers the numbers as soon as that doublechecking is complete. They are still waiting. The AP has also been denied access to similar nursing home death data despite filing a public records request with the state health department nearly three months ago.

Dr. Michael Wasserman, president of the California Association of Long Term Care Medicine, said it is unethical of New York to not break out the deaths of nursing home residents at hospitals. “From an epidemiological and scientific perspective, there is absolutely no reason not to count them.”

Nursing homes have become a particular sore point for the Cuomo administration, which has generally received praise for steps that flattened the curve of infections and New York’s highest-in-the-nation 32,781 overall deaths.

But a controversial March 25 order to send recovering COVID-19 patients from hospitals into nursing homes that was designed to free up hospital bed space at the height of the pandemic has drawn withering criticism from relatives and patient advocates who contend it accelerated nursing home outbreaks.

Cuomo reversed the order under pressure in early May. And his health department later released an internal report that concluded asymptomatic nursing home staffers were the real spreaders of the virus, not the 6,300 recovering patients released from hospitals into nursing homes.

But epidemiologists and academics derided the study for a flawed methodology that sidestepped key questions and relied on selective stats, including the state’s official death toll figures.

“We’re trying to find out what worked and what didn’t work and that means trying to find patterns,” said Bill Hammond, who works on health policy for the nonprofit Empire Center think tank. “You can’t do that if you have the wrong data.”
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It's getting harder to keep a lid on how many people you killed, isn't it Andrew?
 
I rarely listen to NPR these days but they've been running this garbage non-stop since March. No wonder normies are freaked out.

My sister listens to that trash all the time. No wonder she's so brainwashed.

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To hell with forcing us all to take a goddamned likely useless vaccine, they want to force us to take "moral enhancement" pills -- brainwashing drugs to make us complacent with their "superior morality" so we'll wear masks forever. (I'm guessing lithium?)

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It's been amazing watching the left's madness bleed through over the past few years.

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"Be more empathetic, but NOT LIKE THAT!!!!"


Edit: Apparently they've been thinking of basically brainwashing people into being leftists via pills for years now:

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/unfit-for-the-future-9780199653645?cc=ch&lang=en& (2012)

Don't forgot about this sadly washed potential of a game:


 
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A conversation between me and a nurse. What's messed up is that healthcare workers cling to this Virus like an abused wife to a violent husband.

It's insidious. You're made to look like a villain simply because you try to weigh the hype against the reality.

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"People are still dying"
Does the nurse realize how normal death is? Like i said months ago it feels like I'm living in a world where the majority of people have never considered their own mortality
 
So basically the COVID version of "There's starving children in Africa". I hope this broad and all of the other pearl-clutchers never expect or get sympathy again after this.

Like i said months ago it feels like I'm living in a world where the majority of people have never considered their own mortality
Especially medical professionals, which has been the most bizarre part of this to me.
 
"People are still dying"
Does the nurse realize how normal death is? Like i said months ago it feels like I'm living in a world where the majority of people have never considered their own mortality
US-wide, deaths now are 8% higher than they were at this time last year, maybe a little more. It's a significant difference, but not one that most people would notice on their own. Given who is dying, the geriatric/ICU/hospice nurses are probably crushed, but everywhere else I think it would be largely invisible.
 
Oh God not people dying. That never happens.


I agree with the idea that this shit was the first time most normies ever paid attention to the news or general world events and now they're so terrified they are content to bunker into their own homes like a paranoid 1950s family with a bomb shelter under the garden.
 
NP{R ran stories this morning about two women crying they tested positive for COVID and how scary it was...to have a severe cold, basically. "My mind is in a fog all the time...it has to be COVID...I'm always congested" in that annoying vocal fry these kind of cunts use. The older black woman was scared because she had some pre-existing conditions but neither one had to be hospitalized. It was a huge stream of drama and exaggeration at 6 AM that was absolutely uninformative *COVID is so new we don't know anything about it!") that was a waste of airtime.

I rarely listen to NPR these days but they've been running this garbage non-stop since March. No wonder normies are freaked out.
NPR has been complete irredeemable garbage since at least the 2016 election.
 
Youtuber Dr. Steve Turley vlogged about the vaccine then Russia will test against Corona-chan just in time for Trump re-election.

Some commenters gived me some good laugh.
Joseph Mellen
Putin has more sense than the Democrats. He said "volunteer", not mandatory like our scumbag politicians.

Getshwifty supershwifty

I feel like Russia is a better friend to America than the Democrat party
 
Australia and New Zealand's reaction to Chinavirus has always been strange and hilarious since they're so isolated from global trade they'd just need to seal their borders, quarantine whoever tests positive and they'd be perfectly okay and could literally live life like normal. If there's Chinavirus at all there then something's totally wrong and the "public health experts" haven't been doing their job.

Instead the crazies lock down a city of a million or so people (or however many live in Auckland I dunno) because 4 people tested positive. You know, instead of locking down the 4 people who tested positive and doing contact tracing like has been to great success in literally every other outbreak in history including shit like ebola.
 
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