Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

[Dudeofteenage]

i know someone has to defend him. what i'm wondering is how the PD will try to argue that nick shouldn't have the usual punishment for child molesters, or that his sentence should be lightened, or that he didn't actually molest a child

Remember, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. The PD doesn't actually have to construct an alternative version of events, just challenge theirs. If I was Nick's PD I'd try to cast doubt on Amber's evidence, try to convince the judge that any confessions he'd made online were just him being a silly edgelord, etc etc. The PD doesn't have to prove that Nick is an upstanding person, just that he didn't do the particular act he's being accused of.

Having said all that, the chances aren't great. A competent PD would be focused on getting some sort of plea bargain where the charges are reduced/partly dropped in exchange for a guilty plea, which would spare everybody a trial. The prosecution probably wants to avoid a trial, so this might pay off, but it will still mean Nick is going to jail for a substantial period.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

Nick: Do you know anyone who would wanna be my NEW helper?

Maddi: no, you don't need a helper

Nick: but it helps me a lot to visualize

Maddi: you can visualize things yourself

Nick: but i don't know what kinds of things people say and wear or what positions/motions they use

You don't think... Nick's "helper" here is Amber, isn't it?

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Has Nick ever explained his fascination with butts?

He claimed that God told him in a vision to "do butt stuff" but most likely it's more that he is afraid of vaginas and enjoys shoving things up his ass.

 

[Meowthkip]

Sick Nick is in restrictive housing in the county prison. It looks like they are either trying to keep him away from the other inmates, or he is smearing his shit on the walls and making himself a nuisance to the prison staff. Restrictive housing is the modern term for 'the hole', so Nick is only let out of his cell for an hour a day, and a few times a week to be bathed. Make no mistake, they'll bathe him even if he doesn't want to.

Not to sound like a ween, but is anyone attending any of his hearings?

I might be attending at least one of them, IDK.

As the only person here who legitimately finds "Kentucky Don't Exist" to be funny, I still wonder how he came up with that phrase in the first place. He claimed on his ask.fm that he heard about it "from a very off-the-radar individual around 2004". Part of me wants to believe he came into contact with another delusional schizoid pedo who was running from the law and some of his influence/insanity rubbed off on him, but then another part thinks he more likely just heard someone say it in a dream and thought it was "le randumb funny XD" enough to say it over and over again for the next 11 years.

Proposing the latter because my autistic mind has been through much similar phases, e.g. dream I had when I was 16 where there was a sign outside a restaurant reading "We Had Fish" (implying that they're out of/no longer serve fish or something?), another dream I had when I was I think 7 with an animated mouse resembling Arthur/Rupert the Bear holding a hat full of holes and moaning "MY HAT, IT'S RUINED!!!". Also IRL in one of my sped classes in first grade when some wheelchair kid who was at least 10 started whining "I WANNA WATCH WINNIE DA POOOOOOHHHHH!!!!!"

But seriously, if someone could write a bluegrass song based on Kentucky Don't Exist, that would be great.

Sounds like echolalia. Nick could very well have it himself, being schizotypical.

So a little history lesson: When the World Wide Web started invading the popular consciousness in the mid-90s, there emerged a large number of glossy print magazines letting all us off-line people and internet newcomers know about all the wild, wacky stuff that was happening online. I was an avid reader of some of these, and I am fairly certain that I read a feature on fake conspiracy theories that contained a reference to "Kentucky isn't real". This sort of thing was one of the original vectors for trolling, which was a lot more fun to watch when it was based on either fancifulness and creativity or subtle tweaking of firm beliefs on trivial matters.

I just did the laziest Google search ever and found the Wikipedia page on the Bielefeld conspiracy; down in the "Other versions" section, I found that "[on] USENET, a similar joke was told about North Dakota in the 1980s," and that the joke was applied to other states as well. It's likely that Nick ran across the joke on some odd corner of the internet and, like the fake Candian accent, adopted it as part of his persona. It's unfortunate that he didn't adopt a guide to being a decent human being instead, but I suppose that such an outcome would have required him to have some core of humanity to begin with.

Nick isn't even creative enough to come up with his own forced memes. He's gotta rip off other people.

I'm not even a little surprised.

Also 'sup @maddipuppy I like these logs you got out of Nick. I didn't need sleep anymore anyway.

 

[Red Velvet]

Reading through the chat logs has given me a new insight into Nick. I get the impression that there was some thing(s) that happened between him and his mother as a child which lead to a lack of bonding between the two. Maybe she couldn't figure out how to deal with a toddler so just let him do whatever and withdrew from the relationship, maybe she had post natal depression and neglected Nick.

It would explain his fixation on butts and pooping - at the potty training stage in their lives children get a lot of attention for going in the toilet. What if Nick in his disturbed mind craves that positive attention he got from his mother for pooping in the toilet and turned that into an obsession with shit? He knew he got attention for the poo so now he smears it on walls and himself. It would have generated more attention from his mother. Over time this has evolved from wanting attention from his mother into a full blown scat fetish. Pure speculation of the Freudian kind, of course.

Nick's constant "but I didn't do it!" excuse is probably also a learned childhood thing. I have seen kids who were so convincing at lying to their parents and the parents so badly wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that they take it and do nothing about it. The kids thinks all he has to do is say he didn't do it and the situation will remedy itself. Never being taught consequences or what is right or wrong (and why it is right or wrong) is going to fuck up a child. Which leads me to:

The sexual behaviour he exhibits with Maddi in the chat log is more disturbing. The worry for me is that he is attempting to convince another person to fellate him because it's enjoyable - not considering the other person may not be interested or find it enjoyable. I have read a few case files on sexual offenders who have said similar things: but the other person gets enjoyment from it too, I didn't nothing wrong, the other person will like it if they try it. I feel that the ones that think this way are the worst offenders because they don't understand/empathise with the person on the other end and project that because it is enjoyable for themselves it will be enjoyable for everyone else. Maddi hits then nail on the head when she accuses Nick of grooming - the real danger here is someone who doesn't think what they are doing is wrong or harmful and will influence someone who doesn't know any better to participate, i.e. a child. (thank goodness for Maddi being intelligent and seeing through it - you did good, kid).

Couple all this together and there is a perfect storm for Nick to turn into a mental deviate who will attempt to convince others to participate in things for his gratification. As I said, all Freudian speculation, but if Nick has a history of childhood head trauma (falling from swings, bikes, etc) then this could lead to his brain not being able to develop the parts that lead to rational thinking and empathy.

(sorry for the TlR, I've been lurking for so long and it has kinda just all burst out).

 

[PeteyCoffee]

Recent evidence suggests empathy develops as a result of early interactions, customarily between the child and his or her mother - and if the child doesn't have those experiences empathy simply cannot develop.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

A wild guess on my part is that "Kentucky Don't Exist" comes from the Garfield and Friends segment that said Wyoming doesn't exist.

 

[KatsuKitty]

A wild guess on my part is that "Kentucky Don't Exist" comes from the Garfield and Friends segment that said Wyoming doesn't exist.

Holy crap, good memory. I don't see where else he could've gotten that.

 

[RWS Watcher]

Reading through the chat logs has given me a new insight into Nick. I get the impression that there was some thing(s) that happened between him and his mother as a child which lead to a lack of bonding between the two. Maybe she couldn't figure out how to deal with a toddler so just let him do whatever and withdrew from the relationship, maybe she had post natal depression and neglected Nick.

It would explain his fixation on butts and pooping - at the potty training stage in their lives children get a lot of attention for going in the toilet. What if Nick in his disturbed mind craves that positive attention he got from his mother for pooping in the toilet and turned that into an obsession with shit? He knew he got attention for the poo so now he smears it on walls and himself. It would have generated more attention from his mother. Over time this has evolved from wanting attention from his mother into a full blown scat fetish. Pure speculation of the Freudian kind, of course.

Nick's constant "but I didn't do it!" excuse is probably also a learned childhood thing. I have seen kids who were so convincing at lying to their parents and the parents so badly wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that they take it and do nothing about it. The kids thinks all he has to do is say he didn't do it and the situation will remedy itself. Never being taught consequences or what is right or wrong (and why it is right or wrong) is going to fuck up a child. Which leads me to:

The sexual behaviour he exhibits with Maddi in the chat log is more disturbing. The worry for me is that he is attempting to convince another person to fellate him because it's enjoyable - not considering the other person may not be interested or find it enjoyable. I have read a few case files on sexual offenders who have said similar things: but the other person gets enjoyment from it too, I didn't nothing wrong, the other person will like it if they try it. I feel that the ones that think this way are the worst offenders because they don't understand/empathise with the person on the other end and project that because it is enjoyable for themselves it will be enjoyable for everyone else. Maddi hits then nail on the head when she accuses Nick of grooming - the real danger here is someone who doesn't think what they are doing is wrong or harmful and will influence someone who doesn't know any better to participate, i.e. a child. (thank goodness for Maddi being intelligent and seeing through it - you did good, kid).

Couple all this together and there is a perfect storm for Nick to turn into a mental deviate who will attempt to convince others to participate in things for his gratification. As I said, all Freudian speculation, but if Nick has a history of childhood head trauma (falling from swings, bikes, etc) then this could lead to his brain not being able to develop the parts that lead to rational thinking and empathy.

(sorry for the TlR, I've been lurking for so long and it has kinda just all burst out).

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I would like to add that Amber, like other sexual abuse victims, did not tell anyone until a couple of years later, because she did not understand the extent of what happened to her. Children don't process trauma the same way that adults do. I've sat at a funeral where two little children (5 and 8 years old) lost their own mother. Instead of weeping, they ran around and wanted to entertain themselves. I don't doubt for a second that the two kids are going to mourn the loss of their mother further down the line though. Other posters said this and I'm going to too; Amber is going to have quite a few issues when she gets older unless she receives some kind of counseling. Unfortunately Nick and Amber's mom is too retarded to get her kids help when they need it. Nick needed it years ago.

Also, Amber did display quite a few signs that she was being groomed. At the party video, it seemed like Amber was trying to ignore Nick and was very standoffish. In the larping video, Nick was yelling sexual things at his sister ("ANILINGUS!" and "FLYING ANAL SEX ATTACK!"). Nick claimed that he told Amber about a sexual encounter he had, I'm going to assume that it was the cousin Nick mentioned in the psych evaluation. Nick was doing whatever he could to make Amber use to overtly sexual conversations with him. Also Nick tried to shift blame onto Amber for the abuse ("she's pretty fucked up for a rapist at 8") and claimed that his Amber "came onto" him.

 

[maddipuppy]

this "duende" thing he mentioned is a real term. Maybe I'm late to the party on this though and it's a term he regularly uses.

theres a they might be giants song with the word duende in it.

He claimed that God told him in a vision to "do butt stuff" but most likely it's more that he is afraid of vaginas and enjoys shoving things up his ass.

hes also claimed that the anna thing is a vision from god.
god and the bear, anyone?

Reading through the chat logs has given me a new insight into Nick. I get the impression that there was some thing(s) that happened between him and his mother as a child which lead to a lack of bonding between the two. Maybe she couldn't figure out how to deal with a toddler so just let him do whatever and withdrew from the relationship, maybe she had post natal depression and neglected Nick.

It would explain his fixation on butts and pooping - at the potty training stage in their lives children get a lot of attention for going in the toilet. What if Nick in his disturbed mind craves that positive attention he got from his mother for pooping in the toilet and turned that into an obsession with shit? He knew he got attention for the poo so now he smears it on walls and himself. It would have generated more attention from his mother. Over time this has evolved from wanting attention from his mother into a full blown scat fetish. Pure speculation of the Freudian kind, of course.

Nick's constant "but I didn't do it!" excuse is probably also a learned childhood thing. I have seen kids who were so convincing at lying to their parents and the parents so badly wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that they take it and do nothing about it. The kids thinks all he has to do is say he didn't do it and the situation will remedy itself. Never being taught consequences or what is right or wrong (and why it is right or wrong) is going to fuck up a child. Which leads me to:

The sexual behaviour he exhibits with Maddi in the chat log is more disturbing. The worry for me is that he is attempting to convince another person to fellate him because it's enjoyable - not considering the other person may not be interested or find it enjoyable. I have read a few case files on sexual offenders who have said similar things: but the other person gets enjoyment from it too, I didn't nothing wrong, the other person will like it if they try it. I feel that the ones that think this way are the worst offenders because they don't understand/empathise with the person on the other end and project that because it is enjoyable for themselves it will be enjoyable for everyone else. Maddi hits then nail on the head when she accuses Nick of grooming - the real danger here is someone who doesn't think what they are doing is wrong or harmful and will influence someone who doesn't know any better to participate, i.e. a child. (thank goodness for Maddi being intelligent and seeing through it - you did good, kid).

Couple all this together and there is a perfect storm for Nick to turn into a mental deviate who will attempt to convince others to participate in things for his gratification. As I said, all Freudian speculation, but if Nick has a history of childhood head trauma (falling from swings, bikes, etc) then this could lead to his brain not being able to develop the parts that lead to rational thinking and empathy.

(sorry for the TlR, I've been lurking for so long and it has kinda just all burst out).

hnnnnnnnnnng my inner psychology desires. this was so nice to read. thank you for articulating yourself so well.
i always thought a majority of nicks problems stemmed from his interactions with his mother. his mom has never seemed to me to be affectionate at all, even under the cloud of nicks delusions. not only does she tend to bring him back to reality, but im 90% sure she used to hit him. i do remember he mentioned that sometimes they would get into physical altercations and if he hit back, she would call the cops and get him institutionalized, sometimes for weeks at a time.
what an incompetent institution imo considering it seems his other problems had somehow slipped under the radar. how?? he is literally oozing with mental illness.
at one point in one of the logs i think i mentioned to him that serial killers also had similar problems with their mothers, and he said something like "well, i'm not a serial killer yet". he also has like violent "videos" in his head of beating up his mom and killing her, as well as other stuff.

Recent evidence suggests empathy develops as a result of early interactions, customarily between the child and his or her mother - and if the child doesn't have those experiences empathy simply cannot develop.

yup yup! his mom was and still is super unempathetic.
supposedly also, nick was conceived while trying to calm his dad down from a drunken rage. even his conception sets the scene for a miserable life.

new theory: his mom tried to cover up the nick thing because she's scared someone may accuse her of being a shitty parent/find out about her being abusive and get her in trouble instead.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I would like to add that Amber, like other sexual abuse victims, did not tell anyone until a couple of years later, because she did not understand the extent of what happened to her. Children don't process trauma the same way that adults do. I've sat at a funeral where two little children (5 and 8 years old) lost their own mother. Instead of weeping, they ran around and wanted to entertain themselves. I don't doubt for a second that the two kids are going to mourn the loss of their mother further down the line though. Other posters said this and I'm going to too; Amber is going to have quite a few issues when she gets older unless she receives some kind of counseling. Unfortunately Nick and Amber's mom is too retarded to get her kids help when they need it. Nick needed it years ago.

Also, Amber did display quite a few signs that she was being groomed. At the party video, it seemed like Amber was trying to ignore Nick and was very standoffish. In the larping video, Nick was yelling sexual things at his sister ("ANILINGUS!" and "FLYING ANAL SEX ATTACK!"). Nick claimed that he told Amber about a sexual encounter he had, I'm going to assume that it was the cousin Nick mentioned in the psych evaluation. Nick was doing whatever he could to make Amber use to overtly sexual conversations with him. Also Nick tried to shift blame onto Amber for the abuse ("she's pretty fucked up for a rapist at 8") and claimed that his Amber "came onto" him.

amber never seemed to really like nick beyond how lonely she was, considering her parents never really seemed to let her leave the front yard. she would play pokemon with him and they would run around and stuff, i mean idk.
maybe the ambers birthday party video was after the thing he did to her.

Maddi I know we haven't talked for a long time but after reading all of these logs I have hella respect for you.

thanks man, i hope youre doing ok now.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

I have a theory that the sexual encounter that mentioned Nick had in the psych eval was with a cousin was someone older than him and the child of Joyce. I have two reasons for this:

#1. He has no problem with pedophilia and doesn't understand why it is wrong. This is because he enjoyed the sexual encounter with an older person, and thus thinks it is ok for him to sex up younger people. Even if they're related.

#2. Joyce is his worst enabler. After his parents wanted nothing to do with him, after he was kicked out of his Mom's house for being a sick fuck, after all the times he smeared shit all over the apartment Joyce let him live in, she still put up with his shit. Could it be because Joyce feels guilty about her child fucking Nick up in this sort of way and thinks it's her fault somehow? There is really no way for sure, but this seems more plausible than my previous theory that it is just because she's super religious.

Either way this entire family is fucked and I wish Amber had a way out.

 

[Rick Springfield]

Either way this entire family is fucked and I wish Amber had a way out.

She might. Depending on how Nick's trial goes, I could see her being taken away from them because they knew about this for so long and didn't act, so on so forth. The foster care system is no paradise, but I suspect it'd still be an improvement over the pitiful excuse for a family she was unfortunately born into.

 

[LordCustos3]

He claimed that God told him in a vision to "do butt stuff" but most likely it's more that he is afraid of vaginas and enjoys shoving things up his ass.

Is this the same God who told OPL that [insert random twoll #1, #2, #3, et al. etc.] is actually his Preordained Sweetheart from The Ground Up who is Destined to Marry and Have Crystal with?
The same God who -- when he talks to OPL or Sick Nick -- has to struggle to keep a straight face and not bust out laughing?
Sooooooo, when OPL declared God a twoll, he wasn't wrong, apparently.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

A wild guess on my part is that "Kentucky Don't Exist" comes from the Garfield and Friends segment that said Wyoming doesn't exist.

There was also a King of the Hill episode with Dale claiming on his conspiracy radio show that Hawaii doesn't exist

 

[StupidSexyFlanders]

Kinda sucks that Nick can't tweet from jail, my schadenfreude is itching to know what kind of misery he's going through.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Kinda sucks that Nick can't tweet from jail, my schadenfreude is itching to know what kind of misery he's going through.

"Lost a tooth in the nutraloaf today gonna do butt stuff with nasty nate later"

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I hope someone is pouring Bleach every other hour into his cell. Preferably where he can slip and fall while the guards watch.

 

[IanBrannanSOMETHING]

In such times that information is no longer forthcoming, I just take a glimpse at his arrest photo again and smile at the knowledge that he was miserable then... It can only have gone downhill from that point so I grin even more!

 

[Meowthkip]

I have a theory that the sexual encounter that mentioned Nick had in the psych eval was with a cousin was someone older than him and the child of Joyce. I have two reasons for this:

#1. He has no problem with pedophilia and doesn't understand why it is wrong. This is because he enjoyed the sexual encounter with an older person, and thus thinks it is ok for him to sex up younger people. Even if they're related.

#2. Joyce is his worst enabler. After his parents wanted nothing to do with him, after he was kicked out of his Mom's house for being a sick fuck, after all the times he smeared shit all over the apartment Joyce let him live in, she still put up with his shit. Could it be because Joyce feels guilty about her child fucking Nick up in this sort of way and thinks it's her fault somehow? There is really no way for sure, but this seems more plausible than my previous theory that it is just because she's super religious.

Either way this entire family is fucked and I wish Amber had a way out.

I had never even considered this possibility and it makes sense enough that you could be onto something. How absolutely horrifying.

Jesus Christ, the Stoutzenbergers are only a stone's throw away from being full The Hills Have Eyes crazy.

 

[Zim]

He's probably bored and thinking about what he'd be doing if he was not in jail. Of course that's what a normal person would be doing if they'd been stuck in lock up however it's nick so the sky's the limit.

Probably he's doing butt stuff to himself but I refuse to let myself speculate beyond that.