Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Disney is more likely to be bought as a whole, than Star Wars being sold off.

That actually seems VERY likely. With all the debt they've accumulated, they're more likely to be bought by either some super-rich buffoon or some shadowy collective of financial interests.

 

[Creep3r]

That's a decent alternative since that would keep SW and FOX together at least and if it means they'd be treated as a separate division from Disney under whatever new management acquired them then that would be preferable.

But the only ones who'd have the influence and cash to buy Disney wholesale are Amazon and Apple, right? Even if it hit rock bottom, the whole of Disney is too valuable for probably even the likes of Sony to afford. I mean their current networth is around 120 billion. And I don't think Amazon is in a position to start wasting that kind of money.

 

[KonradCruise]

I can't say this enough, but after all this shit, I still don't think Disney understands that all they had to do was adapt thrawn to screenplay and literally rolled in money with all the fan goodwill they ever wanted and all they would have to do is pluck the best cast of legacy lookalike and soundalikes they can grab.
Alternatively, do something during the old republic so you just need people who look like the comic people.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I can't say this enough, but after all this shit, I still don't think Disney understands that all they had to do was adapt thrawn to screenplay and literally rolled in money with all the fan goodwill they ever wanted and all they would have to do is pluck the best cast of legacy lookalike and soundalikes they can grab.
Alternatively, do something during the old republic so you just need people who look like the comic people.

They can't have that. The Thrawn trilogy would be too militaristic and male-centric for them.

 

[jspit]

That actually seems VERY likely. With all the debt they've accumulated, they're more likely to be bought by either some super-rich buffoon or some shadowy collective of financial interests.

But, they may be required to disgorge certain properties, even whole divisions for a merger.

 

[Ineedahero]

Basically, RLM's criticism of the Prequels is that it's not like the OT/not as good as the OT. But they took that to the extreme and acted as if George Lucas raped their childhoods, when in reality, like any other director, the man was gonna have his ups and downs. There's gonna be times where he knocks it out the park, and times when it's going to be silly. I already figured this out before the PT came out when the Ewoks walked onto the screen in EPVI. That wasn't Lucas' best work, even though he was making callbacks to Lord of the Rings and the Hobbits. Of course his later works were gonna be more kid-friendly, they came in the wake of the 90s where all the ultra-violent shit we had in the 80s was toned down. Heck, as I said before, the Prequels were a Jedi power fantasy where they chopped down robots 90% of the time so they can have some guilt-free violence while showing off how strong the Jedi are. It wasn't groundbreaking cinema, just fun entertainment. But the fact of the matter is that RLM pushed their preferences as if it was valid criticism, when personal preferences differ from person to person. "It's not like the OT" can't stand as a standalone criticism

Yeah it is easy as shit in 2020 to say "George Lucas's just a man, it was obvious he was going to fuck up the prequels, anyone with eyes could see that" but it just makes me assume the prequels were your first taste of star wars. Because if you were a star wars fan before 2005 you would know that Lucas was considered by everyone to be the living incarnation of the Buddha and Jesus rolled into one. He built an entire universe from the ground up based on the monomyth and Jungian archetypes and he wrote nine movies in a single sitting and decided to start filming with the fourth film to reflect on the inherent truths told in old space serials. People wrote doctoral theses on that shit. People told the census they were jedis and they meant it. The plinkett reviews were a direct response to that, they had to be overly harsh on George because they were fighting against perpetual deification.

Also 'It wasn't groundbreaking cinema, just fun entertainment.' - pure cope. That's what they were downgraded to when the prequels came out and didn't live up to the OT. You only think it's valid because you didn't go through the OT hype.

 

[Kosher Dill]

they're more likely to be bought by (...) some shadowy collective of financial interests.

MindGeek.

 

[Ghostse]

Yeah it is easy as shit in 2020 to say "George Lucas's just a man, it was obvious he was going to fuck up the prequels, anyone with eyes could see that" but it just makes me assume the prequels were your first taste of star wars. Because if you were a star wars fan before 2005 you would know that Lucas was considered by everyone to be the living incarnation of the Buddha and Jesus rolled into one. He built an entire universe from the ground up based on the monomyth and Jungian archetypes and he wrote nine movies in a single sitting and decided to start filming with the fourth film to reflect on the inherent truths told in old space serials. People wrote doctoral theses on that shit. People told the census they were jedis and they meant it. The plinkett reviews were a direct response to that, they had to be overly harsh on George because they were fighting against perpetual deification.

Also 'It wasn't groundbreaking cinema, just fun entertainment.' - pure cope. That's what they were downgraded to when the prequels came out and didn't live up to the OT. You only think it's valid because you didn't go through the OT hype.

More than that, the EU Shadows of the Empire had a big media push, and all the books and comics that had come out and were really good. So for Lucas to have ignored all that for the Prequels....well that means the Prequels were going to be even better than the post-RotJ eU, right? I mean, all the principal cast is still alive, so we're getting a whole different setting because its better, that's just obvious. And its going to be about Vader? Oh man this going be so epic. There is no way someone as talented as Lucas would disrepect his loyal fanbase by ignoring that and telling us a hacky slog of a story staring a nine year old having some cringy flirting with an older girl and the dumbest thing since Ewoks, right?
Right?
RIGHT?

The backlash against the prequels, which indeed have many flaws, was less about their quality and more about the quality that was expected, the qualify that people felt COULD have been.
Episode One could have practically been episode VII, with Luke as Qi Gon, with little alteration.

The further away from the release you get, the less that slap in the face stings, and the more you can look at things more objectively.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah it is easy as shit in 2020 to say "George Lucas's just a man, it was obvious he was going to fuck up the prequels, anyone with eyes could see that" but it just makes me assume the prequels were your first taste of star wars. Because if you were a star wars fan before 2005 you would know that Lucas was considered by everyone to be the living incarnation of the Buddha and Jesus rolled into one. He built an entire universe from the ground up based on the monomyth and Jungian archetypes and he wrote nine movies in a single sitting and decided to start filming with the fourth film to reflect on the inherent truths told in old space serials. People wrote doctoral theses on that shit. People told the census they were jedis and they meant it. The plinkett reviews were a direct response to that, they had to be overly harsh on George because they were fighting against perpetual deification.

Also 'It wasn't groundbreaking cinema, just fun entertainment.' - pure cope. That's what they were downgraded to when the prequels came out and didn't live up to the OT. You only think it's valid because you didn't go through the OT hype.

Yeah, no.

I watched the OT right before the Prequels came out. And as I watched through ANH and ESB, it was groundbreaking and exciting. But after watching ROTJ, I began to see cracks in the armor where it was obvious that the guy making them was just a man. He was getting tired, he was rushing to finish off this great epic, and he was making more than a few mistakes here and there. ROTJ was good, but wasn't as well-thought-out as the last two movies, and it seemed to pander more to the kids' audience, especially with those Ewoks actually helping the Rebels win the fight when in reality, they should have taken 5 minutes to massacre for the Empire before the Imps slaughtered the Rebels too. And as someone who saw many other science fiction series on the subject, Star Wars wasn't my first love when it came to sci-fi. Fuck, I saw anime series and played video games BEFORE watching the OT, so Star Wars wasn't necessarily having a monopoly on science fiction in my mind.

And I checked the reaction on Star Wars. Yes, there were people who deified George. Yes, there were people who did nothing but Star Wars. But you know what? Most people who saw Star Wars weren't like those guys. Those were the SW equivalent of people who read Lord of the Rings and thought the wizards and elf leaders were gods, even though Tolkien wrote the story as a Christian storyline meant to parallel lessons from the faith. Those were the SW equivalent of Trekkies who barked at people in Klingon instead of just enjoying the show. People who deified Lucas and checked off "Jedi" as their religion didn't get the lessons of the franchise or notice that the main character was named after one of the four Gospel authors, and the main lesson of the OT when taken as a whole in the end was the Christian lesson of forgiveness and redemption. Vader represented fallen humanity corrupted by sin, Luke represented the servants of God stretching their hands out to try and redeem said fallen man, and Lucas even went on record to call the Emperor the fucking Space Devil later on. The fact that two out of three of the original Indiana Jones films would fit well in Bible Camp (Raiders of the Lost Ark, Last Crusade) due to their focus being on Biblical artifacts like the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail further solidify Lucas' Christian credentials and made me roll my eyes even more at people who deified him and the Jedi Way.

Then the Prequels came out and I watched them, which once again, furthered the idea that the Jedi Way isn't meant to be deified, and that again, the films were religious lessons like LOTR hiding in fantasy/sci-fi format. Lucas compares the Emperor to Satan, the Jedi make mistakes like flawed human beings, and even Order 66 was a callback to the Number of the Beast, 666. I loved them, I watched them again and again as I did the OT, but in the back of my mind, I saw them for the silly little movies that they were, since outside EPIII, the other two didn't get close to how good the first two OT films were, but I was fine with that since I was already seeing cracks at the third OT movie.

And again, as critics, RLM SUCKS. All their criticisms boiled down to "WAAAAH, IT'S NOT LIKE THE ORIGINALS!" but you know what? People have a right to experiment in their own film franchises and try different things. Even the OT movies weren't all alike: ANH was a space cowboy/fortress escape epic, ESB was a gritty war film, and ROTJ was more of a fun romp wrapping up the story from the other two movies. This was Lucas' playground, he had every right to play with his toys and try new shit. And while it led to EPI and EPII being not as good as the OT films, it did give fertile ground for the creation of Expanded Universe works that were as good as the OT films or even surpassed them, as the case was with the two KOTOR games which took a lot of inspiration not just from the OT but from the Prequels as well. And EPIII reached levels close to ESB in quality, since they were both grittier and darker than the other four SW films. Plus, RLM's criticisms rang hollow when they shat all over the PT but gave EPVII some slack, even though the PT never damaged the OT the way TFA did.

So no, I wasn't covering for the Prequels at all. In fact, I was open about how they were just popcorn eye candy 2/3rds of the way. But unlike RLM and many whiners who bitched that "George Lucas raped my childhood!" I was keeping things in perspective and didn't treat it that seriously. It was just another sci-fi franchise, and the cracks were already opening in ROTJ, so Lucas having a dip in quality in Episodes I and II was predictable considering how he wrapped up Episode VI. Star Wars was one of my core experiences as a kid growing up, but I saw it the same way Lucas wanted people to see it, the same way Tolkien would want to see LOTR: as another parable for morals that were far more eternal than science fiction and fantasy franchises, as another vehicle that combined faith and entertainment. That's what made these films magical in the first place, and that's what gave them their iconography and the strength of their stories, by appealing to something embedded deep within the human soul.

More than that, the EU Shadows of the Empire had a big media push, and all the books and comics that had come out and were really good. So for Lucas to have ignored all that for the Prequels....well that means the Prequels were going to be even better than the post-RotJ eU, right? I mean, all the principal cast is still alive, so we're getting a whole different setting because its better, that's just obvious. And its going to be about Vader? Oh man this going be so epic. There is no way someone as talented as Lucas would disrepect his loyal fanbase by ignoring that and telling us a hacky slog of a story staring a nine year old having some cringy flirting with an older girl and the dumbest thing since Ewoks, right?
Right?
RIGHT?

The backlash against the prequels, which indeed have many flaws, was less about their quality and more about the quality that was expected, the qualify that people felt COULD have been.
Episode One could have practically been episode VII, with Luke as Qi Gon, with little alteration.

The further away from the release you get, the less that slap in the face stings, and the more you can look at things more objectively.

Except the Prequels took a lot from the EU to begin with. In fact, they were shot with the intent that the EU was canon. Many things from the EU, from double-bladed lightsabers, the Jedi Council, Coruscant, Battle Meditation, droid armies, cloning, and more made it to the big screen. If this was about quality, people would have declared a fatwa on ROTJ, and people would have hated TPM when it came out. Newsflash: they didn't. TPM was well-loved by audiences when it first came out, and it was as big as Pokemon at the time, and Pokemon in the late 90s was a fucking juggernaut. AOTC had some naysayers, but most people fell back in line when Yoda started fighting like a gremlin on crack and the massive war began before their very eyes. And ROTJ was considered a somber, but satisfying epic by most audiences.

Most people reacted to the Prequels upon release either with fan love and devotion, and/or mild criticism, which is why I compared them to the Michael Bay Transformers films which also had the same reaction from most audiences upon release. It was only later when dipshit critics got louder and louder did people turn against the Prequels in a really ugly way, (and by extension, the Bayformers films too) and that was more driven by an internet movement of critics, both from official sites and underground like RLM. And now the very same underground criticism has turned on them, with official media sites citing Prequel hate as an early example of unreliable fandom judgement and idiocy(all the while ignoring their part in the criticism of the Prequels), while RLM's criticisms of the Prequels and other Prequel-bashers are about as popular as Dengue Fever is in Manila among the SW fanbase right now, with sites like Anomaly INC tearing their criticisms apart.

So no, this argument of "the prequels were hated upon release but were judged more objectively afterwards" is false, especially since during the Prequels' release, people actually ate that stuff up and came back for seconds, and there was a merchandise craze where people bought comics, novels, and games about bit characters that barely even showed up in those films.

Remember the massive war of autistism that me and Cyril Sneer were having? That whole Jedi/Sith vs. Mandalorian crap? They were over bit characters in the Expanded Universe that barely showed up in the films, not even close to the main conflict of the saga, which is Light vs Dark. And yet people loved that shit back in the Prequel era because they loved the Prequels and wanted to learn more about guys like Jango Fett, Aayla Secura, Shaak Ti, General Grievous, Count Dooku, and other characters who BARELY even showed up in those films at all, so they bought up all sorts of merchandise from those characters, be they action figures, comics, novels, games, or even the Tartakovsky Clone Wars animated show that was more of a film chopped up into small bite-sized pieces. The Prequels were actually loved upon release. I know, because I lived through that era and watched throngs of people clap at even the most unpopular Prequel movies whenever they showed something awesome on the screen, and the audiences went back home with smiles on their faces, since they had fun and they got their money's worth when they paid for the tickets to the films. They weren't perfect, none of the SW films were, but people still had fun and had an all around good time.

 

[White Devil]

I gotta say, people were shitting on George even before 2005. He took some shit in 1997 over the Special Editions, although not much because people fucking loved seeing Star Wars in theaters again. My dad took me and my sisters to see all three and it was amazing, I was born a few years after ROTJ's theatrical release so I missed that boat to experience the movies on the big screen. I remember not being too thrilled about some of the '97 changes from my VHS tapes but the fact that I was getting to see this shit how it was meant to be nullified that.

Then 2004 rolled around and that is when the OT really took a shit sandwich and the changes to ROTJ I believe caused more ill will towards Lucas than even the PT as a whole. The changes to the Max Rebo band song, erasing Sebastian Shaw from the movie practically, and the infamous "NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO". That pissed everyone off. Then 5 years after Revenge of the Sith (which is my favorite PT movie and I honestly think a decent movie in its own right), we had The People vs. George Lucas come out. My overall point though is that the idea that Lucas was always some kind of deified Saint is wrong. We can go further back and look at fucking Ewoks for more proof of it.

For all of Lucas' missteps and unwanted tinkering, I doubt even he could have fucked Star Wars up as much as Disney had.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I gotta say, people were shitting on George even before 2005. He took some shit in 1997 over the Special Editions, although not much because people fucking loved seeing Star Wars in theaters again. My dad took me and my sisters to see all three and it was amazing, I was born a few years after ROTJ's theatrical release so I missed that boat to experience the movies on the big screen. I remember not being too thrilled about some of the '97 changes from my VHS tapes but the fact that I was getting to see this shit how it was meant to be nullified that.

Then 2004 rolled around and that is when the OT really took a shit sandwich and the changes to ROTJ I believe caused more ill will towards Lucas than even the PT as a whole. The changes to the Max Rebo band song, erasing Sebastian Shaw from the movie practically, and the infamous "NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO". That pissed everyone off. Then 5 years after Revenge of the Sith (which is my favorite PT movie and I honestly think a decent movie in its own right), we had The People vs. George Lucas come out. My overall point though is that the idea that Lucas was always some kind of deified Saint is wrong. We can go further back and look at fucking Ewoks for more proof of it.

For all of Lucas' missteps and unwanted tinkering, I doubt even he could have fucked Star Wars up as much as Disney had.

Which again, is why I saw Lucas as a good, but flawed filmmaker, and he wasn't gonna reach the same heights he had after ESB. Though he did come close with ROTS, though. Me and the folks watched the original OT through the cassette tapes, then saw the re-released special editions before the Prequels came out. And when the Prequels came out, yes, the average man on the street loved it, but they knew it was flawed. They just enjoyed it nonetheless, because they saw enough fun parts in it to enjoy that stuff. They didn't see Lucas as some kind of god, they just saw him like any other: a fun but flawed filmmaker, who made something good for them to consume.

And yes, Disney's "tinkering" with Star Wars goes to show that old saying to be true: "be careful what you wish for." Back then, during the height of the Prequel-bashing, RLM and everyone else thought that anyone could make SW films far better than George and that he should sell it. Now, they've got so much egg on their face that if you slapped them across the face with a spatula, you'd make the world's biggest omelette.

 

[White Devil]

I don't understand why you guys keep mentioning RLM so much. I've heard of but never watched a video of theirs because they seem like typical self important nerd faggots that would get stuffed into lockers in school. Everything I have ever heard about them through the years leads me to have an image of them as a typical rules lawyering no fun allow faggot that you encounter playing table top games like Warhammer, D&D, Battletech, etc.

Why do any of you give a fuck about their reviews?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't understand why you guys keep mentioning RLM so much. I've heard of but never watched a video of theirs because they seem like typical self important nerd faggots that would get stuffed into lockers in school. Everything I have ever heard about them through the years leads me to have an image of them as a typical rules lawyering no fun allow faggot that you encounter playing table top games like Warhammer, D&D, Battletech, etc.

Why do any of you give a fuck about their reviews?

Because while they weren't the first to criticize the Prequels, their criticism of it became a Holy Bible of sorts to Prequel bashers. Later on, whenever someone asks people why they hate the Prequels, they just refer to the RLM reviews for reference. Which now has turned around into outright hatred for RLM and other Prequel-haters, since their idiocy helped push Lucas to sell Lucasfilm and Star Wars is now in the muck thanks to them and other Prequel-bashers who took their criticism too far, veering from mild, well-mannered critiques to outright disdain and hate for Lucas that just kept repeating until AFTER Disney screwed the SW franchise into the dirt.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

The backlash against the prequels, which indeed have many flaws, was less about their quality and more about the quality that was expected, the qualify that people felt COULD have been.
Episode One could have practically been episode VII, with Luke as Qi Gon, with little alteration.

The further away from the release you get, the less that slap in the face stings, and the more you can look at things more objectively.

This is the main reason why I'm happy I experienced Star Wars when all six of the films were available, so I didn't have any expectations infringing on my perception of the PT. For me, I was never fixated on "what could have been" with the Prequel Storyline because, in my eyes, it had provided enough originality and creativity to standalone with its own era and identity in the wider Star Wars Saga. My only standard of criteria for Star Wars, as a kid and as an adult, was "give me something new and creative", a standard that was met by everything I consumed from the franchise up until 2015...which is inherently why Disney Drones don't have a leg to stand on when they accuse people like me from the PT Generation of "only hating the Sequels because they didn't live up to your expectations", when my only expectation was for something new.

On a minor note, I'd like to add that this whole thing about having one's perception of the PT infringed by a decade and a half of expectations isn't universal among older generations who grew up with the OT. My Dad saw all of the OT Films on release as a teenager, and despite enduring the same 16-year wait and wealth of personal expectations, he still likes the PT...even more than the original films, if you can believe it.

He also completely dropped out of Star Wars when TFA was released, so we have that much in common.

I don't understand why you guys keep mentioning RLM so much. I've heard of but never watched a video of theirs because they seem like typical self important nerd faggots that would get stuffed into lockers in school. Everything I have ever heard about them through the years leads me to have an image of them as a typical rules lawyering no fun allow faggot that you encounter playing table top games like Warhammer, D&D, Battletech, etc.

Why do any of you give a fuck about their reviews?

My big beef with RLM has far more to do with the hordes of sheep that make up their fanbase, who go around peddling a lot of the same misinformation and shit takes that are in the Plinkett reviews. The discrediting of George Lucas' involvement in the OT, the repeated myths about "Yes Men" and "ANH Being Saved In The Edit", and the garbage takes about the PT demystifying the Jedi by having more than one lightsaber on-screen or an entire Temple full of students. That bullshit has been amplified and reached the wider corners of the Internet thanks to the RLM Fanboy Brigade parading them over and over again, louder and louder for the last decade, nonstop.

I wouldn't give two dicks about RLM if every discussion about the Prequels wasn't littered by their retarded followers, sperging out about shit that was incorrect back in 2009, and has only been further disproven thanks to more information coming from J.W. Rinzler and the like. But good luck getting the screeching cult of RLM to ever acknowledge anything that hasn't been preached to them by the creative geniuses behind Space Cop.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This is the main reason why I'm happy I experienced Star Wars when all six of the films were available, so I didn't have any expectations infringing on my perception of the PT. For me, I was never fixated on "what could have been" with the Prequel Storyline because, in my eyes, it had provided enough originality and creativity to standalone with its own era and identity in the wider Star Wars Saga. My only standard of criteria for Star Wars, as a kid and as an adult, was "give me something new and creative", a standard that was met by everything I consumed from the franchise up until 2015...which is inherently why Disney Drones don't have a leg to stand on when they accuse people like me from the PT Generation of "only hating the Sequels because they didn't live up to your expectations", when my only expectation was for something new.

On a minor note, I'd like to add that this whole thing about having one's perception of the PT infringed by a decade and a half of expectations isn't universal among older generations who grew up with the OT. My Dad saw all of the OT Films on release as a teenager, and despite enduring the same 16-year wait and wealth of personal expectations, he still likes the PT...even more than the original films, if you can believe it.

He also completely dropped out of Star Wars when TFA was released, so we have that much in common.


My big beef with RLM has far more to do with the hordes of sheep that make up their fanbase, who go around peddling a lot of the same misinformation and shit takes that are in the Plinkett reviews. The discrediting of George Lucas' involvement in the OT, the repeated myths about "Yes Men" and "ANH Being Saved In The Edit", and the garbage takes about the PT demystifying the Jedi by having more than one lightsaber on-screen or an entire Temple full of students. That bullshit has been amplified and reached the wider corners of the Internet thanks to the RLM Fanboy Brigade parading them over and over again, louder and louder for the last decade, nonstop.

I wouldn't give two dicks about RLM if every discussion about the Prequels wasn't littered by their retarded followers, sperging out about shit that was incorrect back in 2009, and has only been further disproven thanks to more information coming from J.W. Rinzler and the like. But good luck getting the screeching cult of RLM to ever acknowledge anything that hasn't been preached to them by the creative geniuses behind Space Cop.

Ah, Space Cop. To quote someone else on the topic:
"For someone who shit so much on George Lucas as a writer and director, Mike Stoklasa seems oddly inept at both these things."
-Le Redditeur Part Deux, from the Linkara thread.

It really goes to show that not only did RLM suck as critics, but they also suck as filmmakers as well. Why is it that the loudest critics usually end up being bad filmmakers when finally given the chance to make a film?

 

[White Devil]

My dad also noped out of Star Wars when we saw The Force Awakens Together. He kind of didn't feel the prequel trilogy for a lot of the common reasons most people had; the acting, lack of chemistry between some of the actors, terrible dialogue, Jar Jar. He also thought CGI was just getting so overused nowadays (nowadays being the period between 1999-2005 but fuck knows he was right). I think the PT kind of weakened his enjoyment of the universe overall but Disney just straight out killed it. He'd ask me if I saw any of them and I'd pirate one just to see and basically say, "Yeah, dad, it sucked." for Solo, TLJ, ROS. I told him Rogue One was ok but he just wasn't interested. Thinking about it now, Disney has actually killed something my father and I used to really enjoy together. Fuck you Kathleen Kennedy.

As for the RLM thing, instead of giving those people time of day you can always just say shut the fuck up with your bullshit. I vaguely remember someone of the things you talked about going on on message boards back in the day, chat rooms, some in-game chats in X-Wing vs TIE Fighter and other MP SW games I used to play.. Especially the "being saved in the edit" garbage. Lucas was a lauded filmmaker before Star Wars came along, those people have no argument whatsoever.

 

[Ghostse]

I gotta say, people were shitting on George even before 2005. He took some shit in 1997 over the Special Editions, although not much because people fucking loved seeing Star Wars in theaters again. My dad took me and my sisters to see all three and it was amazing, I was born a few years after ROTJ's theatrical release so I missed that boat to experience the movies on the big screen. I remember not being too thrilled about some of the '97 changes from my VHS tapes but the fact that I was getting to see this shit how it was meant to be nullified that.

Then 2004 rolled around and that is when the OT really took a shit sandwich and the changes to ROTJ I believe caused more ill will towards Lucas than even the PT as a whole. The changes to the Max Rebo band song, erasing Sebastian Shaw from the movie practically, and the infamous "NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO". That pissed everyone off. Then 5 years after Revenge of the Sith (which is my favorite PT movie and I honestly think a decent movie in its own right), we had The People vs. George Lucas come out. My overall point though is that the idea that Lucas was always some kind of deified Saint is wrong. We can go further back and look at fucking Ewoks for more proof of it.

People were mainly shitting on the SE because they wanted more movies, not the same movies that have been "fixed". SE did prime people to explode over PM.

For all of Lucas' missteps and unwanted tinkering, I doubt even he could have fucked Star Wars up as much as Disney had.

ST was the work of a catlady & dangerhair committee. No single person could have fucked things up as hard as Disney has.

inb4 The Last Jedi

Except the Prequels took a lot from the EU to begin with. In fact, they were shot with the intent that the EU was canon. Many things from the EU, from double-bladed lightsabers, the Jedi Council, Coruscant, Battle Meditation, droid armies, cloning, and more made it to the big screen. If this was about quality, people would have declared a fatwa on ROTJ, and people would have hated TPM when it came out. Newsflash: they didn't. TPM was well-loved by audiences when it first came out, and it was as big as Pokemon at the time, and Pokemon in the late 90s was a fucking juggernaut. AOTC had some naysayers, but most people fell back in line when Yoda started fighting like a gremlin on crack and the massive war began before their very eyes. And ROTJ was considered a somber, but satisfying epic by most audiences.

I should have specified that's what I saw from the nerd community, and those who were angry. I wasn't a rager, but was definitely in the "This is it? this is my generation's star wars?" camp, and didn't take well to Lucas' 'well its for kids' excuses at the time.

Opinions shifted around the end of AOTC, and by ROTS most of the rage post-PM had burned out. ROTS, NOOOOOOOOO asside, and the intervening years did a lot to smooth ruffled feathers. The fact the movies DID go somewhere (AOTC & ROTS couldn't have been set post-ROTJ) helped alot as well.

Sure the public at large at shit up, but again, just from what I saw from the angry internet nerds.

 

[White Devil]

Yeah, I always thought the "Star Wars is for kids" thing was a huge cop out. I mean granted, kids movies from the 70s, 80s, and even 90s are more graphic than what any pearl clutcher would allow to be shown to kids today (unless it was full of woke bullshit), but even then Star Wars always had some seriously dark shit going on in it. Genocide, immolation, incest, war, amputation, etc. This is all heavy shit for a kid so that excuse never held any water for me, even when I myself was a kid. I think it's also why I probably consider SOTE and the Special Editions more "my generations" Star Wars than the prequels, which except for the last movie just didn't resonate that much with me. My attitude had mostly been, "Prequels done, so what" because I always had the EU that was taking place post OT. It's probably why I never got into the Old Republic or Clone Wars stuff.

 

[Creep3r]

I gotta say, people were shitting on George even before 2005. He took some shit in 1997 over the Special Editions, although not much because people fucking loved seeing Star Wars in theaters again. My dad took me and my sisters to see all three and it was amazing, I was born a few years after ROTJ's theatrical release so I missed that boat to experience the movies on the big screen. I remember not being too thrilled about some of the '97 changes from my VHS tapes but the fact that I was getting to see this shit how it was meant to be nullified that.

Then 2004 rolled around and that is when the OT really took a shit sandwich and the changes to ROTJ I believe caused more ill will towards Lucas than even the PT as a whole. The changes to the Max Rebo band song, erasing Sebastian Shaw from the movie practically, and the infamous "NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO". That pissed everyone off. Then 5 years after Revenge of the Sith (which is my favorite PT movie and I honestly think a decent movie in its own right), we had The People vs. George Lucas come out. My overall point though is that the idea that Lucas was always some kind of deified Saint is wrong. We can go further back and look at fucking Ewoks for more proof of it.

For all of Lucas' missteps and unwanted tinkering, I doubt even he could have fucked Star Wars up as much as Disney had.

While I partly agree with @Ghostse I do agree that George was hardly a deified saint of moviemaking and he had been getting hated on since way before the prequels. Shadows of the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy were saving graces in terms of major SW projects, but before that, the 80s was a time where most of the major SW projects (excluding a few novels, RPG guides, magazines, comics and merch tie-ins) was mostly Ewok stuff. A new animated series, two new movies, a whole new series of books and a live show, and its all just Carebears with an Ewok reskin... So even back then people who were in the know were starting to call George a sellout. The only major project at the time that wasn't Ewok-based was the Droids cartoon series which sadly got cancelled relatively quickly while Ewoks continued on for two seasons which understandably soured perceptions and why more considered the late 80s/early 90s the real SW renaissance what with the loads of new content and a whole new era under Dark Horse comics, loads of the new scene-changing video games, updated and more completed guides, and the list goes on. So it was clear to some that George was already getting hate back then, even more so after the Special Editions, its just that the prequels were so much more heavily marketed that it ended up drawing more attention, making it so the hate he got for the prequels dwarfed any pre-existing hate, and in regards to RLM they really aren't the best judges for SW because quite frankly they're Trekkies, and they've made it known that they don't really care much for the franchise outside of the OT (mostly the first two) from a production and nostalgic pov and only ever played Disney's crappy video games as far expanded content they've taken part in goes. However even with George's flaws, SW wasn't in such an abysmal state as it is know, as even when he made mistakes, he still managed to do/approve greats and goodies (Shadows of the Empire and others managed to pick up the slack for him, in contrast with Disney where everyone is just tripping over each other and throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks and on the rare occasion they don't fuck up, the best they can do is "decent".

On a side note, despite my mixed feelings on the Ewok takeover of the 80s, I will admit that for all its faults I loved the production value and world building displayed in the Ewoks movies, and despite how godawful and Care Bears-tier the Ewoks cartoon was during its second season, right down to goofy cartoon sounds, the first season was actually pretty well done and the show's main contributor Paul Dini (of DCAU fame) even had no problem showing death and serious scenes to kids, in contrast to the second season which was handled directly by George and removed any trace or mentions of death and emotional realism and then added all the goofy sounds and accents to the show right down to having the ewoks make squeaky sounds to sell even more fucking toys and boost the ratings in accordance with broadcasters.

We went from this -

To this level of writing after just one season.

"Heheh gawrsh Latara, your hair sure is purdy today!"
"I know that nerd cuz I'm a top valley gurl."

Anyway, in other news (because there's some spicy ones tonight)...

NEWS

1: Favreau made some comments about pandering to OT fans which made some Lucasfilm employees angry who say that only the new non-existent fans matter and are the most passionate of all... Oh yes. They were quite passionate until Reylo was cancelled.

2: The Mandalorian season 2 trailer is coming out somewhere between August 20 and August 23 as part of some NBA tie-in.

3: A bunch of leakfags are teasing the possibility of Disney working on a Kylo Ren show/movie for Disney+... You have got to be shitting me. Its so stupid it might be true.

4: A Lucasfilm artist (the same fucktard who began the Space Aladdin/Rebels sequel rumors a year ago and who thinks only future woke fans matter) reveals that the Rebels sequel series project may no longer be in the works and even he's not sure anymore of what its fate is, only that Aladdin and Thrawn are likely to appear in live action, probably guest stars on Mandalorian in true Filoni fashion.

https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1295458588744441856

But by looking this up I also discovered that Disney might actually be making an EU adaptation instead, a series based on Rogue Squadron.

https://lrmonline.com/news/star-wars-no-animated-rebels-sequel-likely-but-maybe-a-rogue-squadron-show-lrm-top-shelf-rumor/

So expect either desperate pandering or butchering of a classic. However, the Disney loving faggot who leaked the info regarding Filoni's Bad Batch cartoon is still claiming an Aladdin's Rebels sequel is still in the works and that it will be out by November... I really hope he's bullshitting, but if he was right about Bad Batch then he's probably right about this, plus Disney is too far up its own ass to touch Rogue Squadron. But then again, the denial of Aladdin's Rebels comes from an actual employee, but then again, Lucasfilm employees are lying pricks completely disconnected from one another. Who knows really...

And there's one more piece of moronic news, but I'll save it for the next post because this shit is getting too long for my liking.

 

[White Devil]

SJW Wars Rogue Squadron, ugh. Featuring a trooned out Wedge Antilles and time travelling Rey as the new founder. Just kill me now.