Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

Now that White Devil has posted, here is the final piece for today's news...

5: Much like how Disney previously released a large preview of the first few pages of the first book in their new High Republic series on IGN, Disney has once again released the first few pages of their second High Republic book (the one starting the green girl and the ugly femdroid from TFA), but this this time they released it on SW.com to the wide and vast audience of... one guy...

A New Journey Begins in A Test of Courage - Exclusive Excerpt and Interview | StarWars.com

Author Justina Ireland speaks to StarWars.com about her highly-anticipated Star Wars: The High Republic book. Plus, meet teen Jedi Vernestra Rwoh and tech-wiz Avon Starros in a special preview.

www.starwars.com

The only guy who ever posts on SW.com and likes their articles...

Same copypaste comment he always makes too. In fact the only place where any number of people are even talking about this (or any Disney related SW media that's not the Mandalorian show) is on Reddit and Twitter unsurprisingly yet everywhere else is almost fucking empty on discussion despite Twitter and Reddit having "thousands" of likes.

Anyway here's the preview of the book:

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“Hey, stop her!”


The sense of calm shattered and Vernestra opened her eyes to see a maintenance droid chasing a small, dark-skinned human girl riding a scoot speeder built of odds and ends. The girl’s hair framed her face in a halo of riotous curls, and she held a brightly shining power crystal in a single gloved hand. The expression of joyous triumph on her face was one that Vernestra knew all too well.


Avon Starros, daughter of Senator Ghirra Starros, was once again up to no good.


Avon had not yet seen Vernestra, and the Jedi used that to her advantage. Vernestra raised her hands, palms flat toward Avon, and pushed with the Force. The girl went flying backward off of her homemade contraption, but instead of letting her fall hard onto the deck, Vernestra kept Avon suspended in the air while the vehicle froze in the middle of the docking bay.


“Avon,” Vernestra said sweetly. “What is going on?”


Avon twisted around in midair, her happy expression souring when she spied Vernestra. “Ugh, I thought you were already on the ship.”


“No, I decided to take one last walk through the outpost before we left. I can see I am not the only one. What did you do?”


“Nothing! I didn’t do anything. By the stars, I don’t know why you always think everything is my fault, Vern.”


Vernestra gritted her teeth against the terrible nickname. Master Douglas Sunvale called her that, and while she was not about to correct a Jedi Master, she had no such qualms about correcting a girl younger than her. “Please don’t call me that.” She released her hold on the Force and let Avon fall to the ground, which was not all that far. The scoot speeder, which Avon had no doubt built from taken materials left unattended around the port, crashed into a nearby stack of shipping crates.


“You are the worst,” Avon groaned, splaying her limbs out dramatically on the ground.


“It wasn’t that far,” Vernestra said, even though it had been a bit mean to let the girl fall.


“I will take that,” the maintenance droid said, plucking the crystal from Avon’s gloved hand before stomping back the way it had come. Vernestra walked over to Avon and offered her a hand up, but the younger girl just glared at her and picked herself up on her own.


“One day, when I am the galaxy’s foremost inventor, I am going to create a device that blocks the Force,” Avon said. “And then let’s see how you like that.”


Vernestra laughed. “Avon, we’ve discussed this. The Force is all around and inside of us, as well. It isn’t like your power crystals. It’s impossible to block the Force. Also, why did you take that droid’s energy crystal?”


Avon huffed. “It’s for an experiment, and it’s not like I’m going to tell you, Jedi. I know you’ll find a way to ruin it somehow. Besides, can’t you just read my mind?” The girl crossed her arms and Vernestra sighed. She and Avon always butted heads. It wasn’t because Vernestra didn’t like the young girl. Quite the opposite—she found Avon’s many inventions and theories to be endlessly fascinating. But Avon did not like to be told no, and she had ended up in Port Haileap precisely for that reason. Her mother, Senator Ghirra Starros, had sent her there, hoping that some time spent on the edge of space would make Avon more appreciative of her life on Coruscant. All it had done was make Avon more determined to do as she pleased, which was usually inventing machines from bits of other things.


There was no real reason for Avon to accompany the delegation to Starlight and then back to Coruscant; her mother hadn’t sent for her and she had no official role on the journey, but Master Douglas, the marshal of the outpost, had asked to have Avon accompany them specifically because the Dalnan ambassador’s son was twelve, as well. He was hoping that the two would become friends and soften the Dalnans’ view of the Republic.


Vernestra was hoping so, too. Mostly because Avon needed a friend.


“Mistress Avon! You are late. If you do not get on board that ship this instant I will uncouple your linking hoses and then let’s see how well your scoot speeder runs.”


A pinkish-gold droid as tall as Vernestra stomped over to where they stood. J-6, Avon’s protocol droid, was half warden, half nanny, all attitude. She spoke like no protocol droid Vernestra had ever met, and she suspected that Avon had something of a hand in that.


Avon sighed heavily and pushed her unruly hair out of her face before walking over to her scoot speeder and righting it to climb on. “Well, looks like the jig is up. I got it, Jay-Six, no sabotage necessary. You coming, Vern? You don’t want to be late.”


Vernestra smiled and nodded. She was excited to see Starlight Beacon, even if it meant she would have to work extra hard to keep Avon out of trouble. “Let’s go.”


As they walked toward the boarding ramp for the Steady Wing, Vernestra stumbled and gasped. Avon gave her a sidelong glance. “Everything okay?”


Vernestra put a hand to her chest and looked over to where an Aqualish mechanic was tinkering with an access panel near the boarding ramp. He stared back at Vernestra with three unblinking eyes. His lower right eye was missing, and blue-tinted scar tissue occupied the space instead. There was nothing else about him that was remarkable; he wore the same orange coveralls as every other member of the docking station’s maintenance crew.


“I’m fine,” Vernestra said, finally, in answer to Avon’s query. Vernestra gave the Aqualish man a small smile, and he turned away without reaction, going back to whatever he was doing. Something about the man made Vernestra feel more alert than was necessary, a spiky sensation that she couldn’t explain. She was just nervous and excited about the mission to Starlight, since this was her first real Jedi mission and she didn’t want to mess it up. That was why she was fixating on random mechanics doing their jobs.


At least, that was what she told herself, even if she didn’t truly feel it.


Pushing the strange feeling aside, Vernestra accompanied Avon and J-6 onto the Steady Wing and tried to focus on making sure the young girl did not try to escape before departure. Vernestra had her hands full enough without seeing phantoms in every corner of the Force.


and, honestly, that’s just the kind of cinnamon roll Jedi she is.”

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

And there you have it. The next exciting entry in the High Republic saga...

The little black inventor girl is also revealed to be the ancestor of Han's godawful fake wife character from the nu-Marvel comics. Oh wow! What a coincidence!

What joy it must be to see the ancestor of such a beloved character who nobody totally hated and who was revealed to have not even fucked Han because she was actually cucking him with Dr. Aphra! I'm so excited!

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Now that White Devil has posted, here is the final piece for today's news...

5: Much like Disney previously release a large preview of the first few pages of their new High Republic book on IGN, Disney has once again released the first few pages of their second High Republic book (the one starting the green girl and the ugly femdroid from TFA), but this this time they released it on SW.com to the wide and vast audience of... 1 guy...

A New Journey Begins in A Test of Courage - Exclusive Excerpt and Interview | StarWars.com

Author Justina Ireland speaks to StarWars.com about her highly-anticipated Star Wars: The High Republic book. Plus, meet teen Jedi Vernestra Rwoh and tech-wiz Avon Starros in a special preview.

www.starwars.com

The only guy who ever posts on SW.com and likes their articles...
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Same copypaste comment he always makes too. In fact the only place where any number of people are even talking about this Disney's other non-Mandalorian shit news is on Reddit and Twitter unsurprisingly yet everywhere else is almost fucking empty on discussion.

Anyway here's the preview of the book:

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“Hey, stop her!”


The sense of calm shattered and Vernestra opened her eyes to see a maintenance droid chasing a small, dark-skinned human girl riding a scoot speeder built of odds and ends. The girl’s hair framed her face in a halo of riotous curls, and she held a brightly shining power crystal in a single gloved hand. The expression of joyous triumph on her face was one that Vernestra knew all too well.


Avon Starros, daughter of Senator Ghirra Starros, was once again up to no good.


Avon had not yet seen Vernestra, and the Jedi used that to her advantage. Vernestra raised her hands, palms flat toward Avon, and pushed with the Force. The girl went flying backward off of her homemade contraption, but instead of letting her fall hard onto the deck, Vernestra kept Avon suspended in the air while the vehicle froze in the middle of the docking bay.


“Avon,” Vernestra said sweetly. “What is going on?”


Avon twisted around in midair, her happy expression souring when she spied Vernestra. “Ugh, I thought you were already on the ship.”


“No, I decided to take one last walk through the outpost before we left. I can see I am not the only one. What did you do?”


“Nothing! I didn’t do anything. By the stars, I don’t know why you always think everything is my fault, Vern.”


Vernestra gritted her teeth against the terrible nickname. Master Douglas Sunvale called her that, and while she was not about to correct a Jedi Master, she had no such qualms about correcting a girl younger than her. “Please don’t call me that.” She released her hold on the Force and let Avon fall to the ground, which was not all that far. The scoot speeder, which Avon had no doubt built from taken materials left unattended around the port, crashed into a nearby stack of shipping crates.


“You are the worst,” Avon groaned, splaying her limbs out dramatically on the ground.


“It wasn’t that far,” Vernestra said, even though it had been a bit mean to let the girl fall.


“I will take that,” the maintenance droid said, plucking the crystal from Avon’s gloved hand before stomping back the way it had come. Vernestra walked over to Avon and offered her a hand up, but the younger girl just glared at her and picked herself up on her own.


“One day, when I am the galaxy’s foremost inventor, I am going to create a device that blocks the Force,” Avon said. “And then let’s see how you like that.”


Vernestra laughed. “Avon, we’ve discussed this. The Force is all around and inside of us, as well. It isn’t like your power crystals. It’s impossible to block the Force. Also, why did you take that droid’s energy crystal?”


Avon huffed. “It’s for an experiment, and it’s not like I’m going to tell you, Jedi. I know you’ll find a way to ruin it somehow. Besides, can’t you just read my mind?” The girl crossed her arms and Vernestra sighed. She and Avon always butted heads. It wasn’t because Vernestra didn’t like the young girl. Quite the opposite—she found Avon’s many inventions and theories to be endlessly fascinating. But Avon did not like to be told no, and she had ended up in Port Haileap precisely for that reason. Her mother, Senator Ghirra Starros, had sent her there, hoping that some time spent on the edge of space would make Avon more appreciative of her life on Coruscant. All it had done was make Avon more determined to do as she pleased, which was usually inventing machines from bits of other things.


There was no real reason for Avon to accompany the delegation to Starlight and then back to Coruscant; her mother hadn’t sent for her and she had no official role on the journey, but Master Douglas, the marshal of the outpost, had asked to have Avon accompany them specifically because the Dalnan ambassador’s son was twelve, as well. He was hoping that the two would become friends and soften the Dalnans’ view of the Republic.


Vernestra was hoping so, too. Mostly because Avon needed a friend.


“Mistress Avon! You are late. If you do not get on board that ship this instant I will uncouple your linking hoses and then let’s see how well your scoot speeder runs.”


A pinkish-gold droid as tall as Vernestra stomped over to where they stood. J-6, Avon’s protocol droid, was half warden, half nanny, all attitude. She spoke like no protocol droid Vernestra had ever met, and she suspected that Avon had something of a hand in that.


Avon sighed heavily and pushed her unruly hair out of her face before walking over to her scoot speeder and righting it to climb on. “Well, looks like the jig is up. I got it, Jay-Six, no sabotage necessary. You coming, Vern? You don’t want to be late.”


Vernestra smiled and nodded. She was excited to see Starlight Beacon, even if it meant she would have to work extra hard to keep Avon out of trouble. “Let’s go.”


As they walked toward the boarding ramp for the Steady Wing, Vernestra stumbled and gasped. Avon gave her a sidelong glance. “Everything okay?”


Vernestra put a hand to her chest and looked over to where an Aqualish mechanic was tinkering with an access panel near the boarding ramp. He stared back at Vernestra with three unblinking eyes. His lower right eye was missing, and blue-tinted scar tissue occupied the space instead. There was nothing else about him that was remarkable; he wore the same orange coveralls as every other member of the docking station’s maintenance crew.


“I’m fine,” Vernestra said, finally, in answer to Avon’s query. Vernestra gave the Aqualish man a small smile, and he turned away without reaction, going back to whatever he was doing. Something about the man made Vernestra feel more alert than was necessary, a spiky sensation that she couldn’t explain. She was just nervous and excited about the mission to Starlight, since this was her first real Jedi mission and she didn’t want to mess it up. That was why she was fixating on random mechanics doing their jobs.


At least, that was what she told herself, even if she didn’t truly feel it.


Pushing the strange feeling aside, Vernestra accompanied Avon and J-6 onto the Steady Wing and tried to focus on making sure the young girl did not try to escape before departure. Vernestra had her hands full enough without seeing phantoms in every corner of the Force.


and, honestly, that’s just the kind of cinnamon roll Jedi she is.”

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

And there you have it. The next exciting entry in the High Republic saga...

The little black inventor girl is also revealed to be the ancestor of Han's godawful fake wife character from the nu-Marvel comics. Oh wow! What a coincidence!
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What joy it must be to see the ancestor of such a beloved character who nobody totally hated and who was revealed to have not even fucked Han because she was actually cucking him with Dr. Aphra! I'm so excited!

This stuff was made by Nu-canon people, for Nu-canon fans, and nobody else. That's why they give more of a shit about the ancestor of Aphra's gal-pal in a story that's about a bunch of people who AREN'T SUPPOSED TO MARRY AND HAVE FAMILIES.

I'll be here drowning my sorrows........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvvYaGQ64Xo

 

[White Devil]

I remember the Han Solo's wife thing and then promptly forgetting about it.

Was that an actual serious thing Marvel did? Hahahahahha the fucking absurdity.

 

[BR55]

My big beef with RLM has far more to do with the hordes of sheep that make up their fanbase, who go around peddling a lot of the same misinformation and shit takes that are in the Plinkett reviews. The discrediting of George Lucas' involvement in the OT, the repeated myths about "Yes Men" and "ANH Being Saved In The Edit", and the garbage takes about the PT demystifying the Jedi by having more than one lightsaber on-screen or an entire Temple full of students. That bullshit has been amplified and reached the wider corners of the Internet thanks to the RLM Fanboy Brigade parading them over and over again, louder and louder for the last decade, nonstop.

I wouldn't give two dicks about RLM if every discussion about the Prequels wasn't littered by their retarded followers, sperging out about shit that was incorrect back in 2009, and has only been further disproven thanks to more information coming from J.W. Rinzler and the like. But good luck getting the screeching cult of RLM to ever acknowledge anything that hasn't been preached to them by the creative geniuses behind Space Cop.

If we're talking about bad RLM takes then Rich's insistence that Star Wars is inherently "limited" and you can only ever do OT stories and rip-offs of OT stories has to be mentioned.
Still one of the dumbest things ever said about Star Wars.

 

[Cactuar King]

The little black inventor girl is also revealed to be the ancestor of Han's godawful fake wife character from the nu-Marvel comics. Oh wow! What a coincidence!

You know what Sana Starros reminds me of? She’s like that one villain in every action movie who performs a task for the villain, then gets smug and greedy and demands more money, only for the main villain to kill them. Only, since she mostly works for the Rebellion, Leia doesn’t have the grace to kill the money grubbing little shit.
Edit: Case in point.

I’d forgotten how shit this arc was. While this is going on, Han gamblers away Rebellion funds, so he and Luke have to transport nerfs to make back the money. Then, when they arrive at the crisis, they get immediately captured and have bombs strapped to them so that Aphra and Starros have to rescue then. Pure fucking disgust.

 

[Ineedahero]

Yeah, no.

I watched the OT right before the Prequels came out. And as I watched through ANH and ESB, it was groundbreaking and exciting. But after watching ROTJ, I began to see cracks in the armor where it was obvious that the guy making them was just a man. He was getting tired, he was rushing to finish off this great epic, and he was making more than a few mistakes here and there. ROTJ was good, but wasn't as well-thought-out as the last two movies, and it seemed to pander more to the kids' audience, especially with those Ewoks actually helping the Rebels win the fight when in reality, they should have taken 5 minutes to massacre for the Empire before the Imps slaughtered the Rebels too. And as someone who saw many other science fiction series on the subject, Star Wars wasn't my first love when it came to sci-fi. Fuck, I saw anime series and played video games BEFORE watching the OT, so Star Wars wasn't necessarily having a monopoly on science fiction in my mind.

And I checked the reaction on Star Wars. Yes, there were people who deified George. Yes, there were people who did nothing but Star Wars. But you know what? Most people who saw Star Wars weren't like those guys. Those were the SW equivalent of people who read Lord of the Rings and thought the wizards and elf leaders were gods, even though Tolkien wrote the story as a Christian storyline meant to parallel lessons from the faith. Those were the SW equivalent of Trekkies who barked at people in Klingon instead of just enjoying the show. People who deified Lucas and checked off "Jedi" as their religion didn't get the lessons of the franchise or notice that the main character was named after one of the four Gospel authors, and the main lesson of the OT when taken as a whole in the end was the Christian lesson of forgiveness and redemption. Vader represented fallen humanity corrupted by sin, Luke represented the servants of God stretching their hands out to try and redeem said fallen man, and Lucas even went on record to call the Emperor the fucking Space Devil later on. The fact that two out of three of the original Indiana Jones films would fit well in Bible Camp (Raiders of the Lost Ark, Last Crusade) due to their focus being on Biblical artifacts like the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail further solidify Lucas' Christian credentials and made me roll my eyes even more at people who deified him and the Jedi Way.

Then the Prequels came out and I watched them, which once again, furthered the idea that the Jedi Way isn't meant to be deified, and that again, the films were religious lessons like LOTR hiding in fantasy/sci-fi format. Lucas compares the Emperor to Satan, the Jedi make mistakes like flawed human beings, and even Order 66 was a callback to the Number of the Beast, 666. I loved them, I watched them again and again as I did the OT, but in the back of my mind, I saw them for the silly little movies that they were, since outside EPIII, the other two didn't get close to how good the first two OT films were, but I was fine with that since I was already seeing cracks at the third OT movie.

And again, as critics, RLM SUCKS. All their criticisms boiled down to "WAAAAH, IT'S NOT LIKE THE ORIGINALS!" but you know what? People have a right to experiment in their own film franchises and try different things. Even the OT movies weren't all alike: ANH was a space cowboy/fortress escape epic, ESB was a gritty war film, and ROTJ was more of a fun romp wrapping up the story from the other two movies. This was Lucas' playground, he had every right to play with his toys and try new shit. And while it led to EPI and EPII being not as good as the OT films, it did give fertile ground for the creation of Expanded Universe works that were as good as the OT films or even surpassed them, as the case was with the two KOTOR games which took a lot of inspiration not just from the OT but from the Prequels as well. And EPIII reached levels close to ESB in quality, since they were both grittier and darker than the other four SW films. Plus, RLM's criticisms rang hollow when they shat all over the PT but gave EPVII some slack, even though the PT never damaged the OT the way TFA did.

So no, I wasn't covering for the Prequels at all. In fact, I was open about how they were just popcorn eye candy 2/3rds of the way. But unlike RLM and many whiners who bitched that "George Lucas raped my childhood!" I was keeping things in perspective and didn't treat it that seriously. It was just another sci-fi franchise, and the cracks were already opening in ROTJ, so Lucas having a dip in quality in Episodes I and II was predictable considering how he wrapped up Episode VI. Star Wars was one of my core experiences as a kid growing up, but I saw it the same way Lucas wanted people to see it, the same way Tolkien would want to see LOTR: as another parable for morals that were far more eternal than science fiction and fantasy franchises, as another vehicle that combined faith and entertainment. That's what made these films magical in the first place, and that's what gave them their iconography and the strength of their stories, by appealing to something embedded deep within the human soul.

A) fuck you for writing all that, if brevity is the soul of wit you are the wit lich necromancer. And now I have to write a bunch of shit.
B) I was very clearly talking about the fan reaction, the plinkett reviews were a response to the fans and this shit about how most people weren't like that is meaningless for that reason. It is also blatant Whig history to suggest those fans didn't drive the franchise. Disney didn't pay $2 billion for a fun adventure romp the common man enjoyed but considered silly jesus allegories. have you even watched the plinkett reviews? Because you keep saying their criticism was nothing but "WAAAAH, IT'S NOT LIKE THE ORIGINALS!" but they are hours long and there is a shitload more to them than that. And, once again, they were a response to the deification. To the idea that George Lucas was a God of cinema who had already written all 9 movies. That was considered a fact by all the fans before the prequels came out, and by a staggering amount even after they came out. Even if you did think all that when they came out (what are you, 50?) most other people didn't. Most people thought like I said.
C) all that jesus shit. And you think it's a settled fact! And you then smirk at the people who claim their religion is jedi? Your fan theory is no better than theirs. And they probably don't think they're better than you for their interpretation.
D) "Lucas has the right" Rights: the last refuge of a failed argument. Nobody was trying to enact laws to restructure star wars, I think George was ok there.
E) rlm are to blame for Disney star wars because their rage made George sell it - see you spent the first 70 years of your life in a cave with no connection to the outside world and emerged in 2006 to watch all of star wars and write a billion words about it. If you had any tether to popular culture you would have seen EVERYONE insist the prequels raped their childhood. You would have seen the stand ups who made their careers off the back of shitting on the prequels, the skit shows with sketches about how sw fans were Lucas's battered housewives, the panel shows with segments about where they were when they realised star wars was fucked. On broadcast television, in case I'm not being clear - in the zeitgeist there were only two positions, the prequels enhanced the trilogy and were Lucas's vision from the very start, or they fucked up everything. And as I said, the plinkett reviews were the second camp responding to the first.
F) Lol you think rots was as good as esb. What's the word I'm looking for here? Anakin?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

A) fuck you for writing all that, if brevity is the soul of wit you are the wit lich necromancer. And now I have to write a bunch of shit.
B) I was very clearly talking about the fan reaction, the plinkett reviews were a response to the fans and this shit about how most people weren't like that is meaningless for that reason. It is also blatant Whig history to suggest those fans didn't drive the franchise. Disney didn't pay $2 billion for a fun adventure romp the common man enjoyed but considered silly jesus allegories. have you even watched the plinkett reviews? Because you keep saying their criticism was nothing but "WAAAAH, IT'S NOT LIKE THE ORIGINALS!" but they are hours long and there is a shitload more to them than that. And, once again, they were a response to the deification. To the idea that George Lucas was a God of cinema who had already written all 9 movies. That was considered a fact by all the fans before the prequels came out, and by a staggering amount even after they came out. Even if you did think all that when they came out (what are you, 50?) most other people didn't. Most people thought like I said.
C) all that jesus shit. And you think it's a settled fact! And you then smirk at the people who claim their religion is jedi? Your fan theory is no better than theirs. And they probably don't think they're better than you for their interpretation.
D) "Lucas has the right" Rights: the last refuge of a failed argument. Nobody was trying to enact laws to restructure star wars, I think George was ok there.
E) rlm are to blame for Disney star wars because their rage made George sell it - see you spent the first 70 years of your life in a cave with no connection to the outside world and emerged in 2006 to watch all of star wars and write a billion words about it. If you had any tether to popular culture you would have seen EVERYONE insist the prequels raped their childhood. You would have seen the stand ups who made their careers off the back of shitting on the prequels, the skit shows with sketches about how sw fans were Lucas's battered housewives, the panel shows with segments about where they were when they realised star wars was fucked. On broadcast television, in case I'm not being clear - in the zeitgeist there were only two positions, the prequels enhanced the trilogy and were Lucas's vision from the very start, or they fucked up everything. And as I said, the plinkett reviews were the second camp responding to the first.
F) Lol you think rots was as good as esb. What's the word I'm looking for here? Anakin?

A) You're the one who wrote the post, I'm within my rights to respond. Also, brevity isn't the soul of wit, it's the excuse of people who have short attention spans, who belong in Twitter.

B) No they didn't. None of that was even remotely true. Only the freaks in the SW fandom thought that Lucas was some kind of perfect god. And every fandom had its freaks: the Trek fans who worship the Prime Directive and bark in Klingon at people, the Lord of the Rings fans who thought that the powerful characters in the novels were gods, etc. Any idiot who thought Lucas was some kind of god and thought that Jedi was a legit religion didn't understand that Star Wars' ideology comes straight out of Bible Camp, just as two of the Indy films also did. You're taking the views of a minority and applying them to a large majority of SW fans, who basically just saw both trilogies as fun boom-fiestas and nothing more.

C) Considering that Lucas called Palpatine the space devil and even OPENLY USED RELIGION AS A PLOT in two out of three classic Indiana Jones films, you're the blind one here. Only an idiot wouldn't realize that half the shit the OT and the Prequels were trying to preach comes straight from the Bible, which was the source of 90% of American morality when Lucas was a kid.

D) The man made Star Wars, he has the rights to do with it as he pleases. That, and his movies were a tiny island in a sea of content. If he fucked up, there was far more Star Wars to go around for those who didn't want Jar Jar, sappy romance dialogue, or Vader screaming "NOOOOOOO" like a twat.

E) I was more than alive long before the 2000s. Assuming that I only watched SW and saw how the outside world reacted to it in 2006 when I explicitly stated that I watched the OT BEFORE TPM came out goes to show your ignorance. And I saw the fan reaction myself to the Prequels WHEN THEY CAME OUT-some mild criticism followed by fanboys frothing at the mouth and screaming about how awesome it is, then the hype died down as the years went on and the fans moved on to other things. And no, the average fan wasn't claiming that Lucas raped their childhoods-they just had some fun, either with the awesome stuff from the prequels, or by laughing AT the silly stuff in the prequels. Besides, those who weren't fans were burying their heads in novels and comics galore that didn't give a damn about what the prequels were doing. Only the totally retarded people were claiming that Lucas raped their childhoods, and those are the people who couldn't get a life. Even I never claimed that Disney raped my childhood-only that they were crapping out real stinkers. Because my own memory of Star Wars was the six films and the old canon, which Disney explicitly stated isn't theirs anymore.

F) I said that ROTS was close to being as good as ESB. Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSN6BOgrSSU&t=153s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziOkap3UiLE

Obi-Wan vs Anakin - Duel on Mustafar (Part 1) | Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K

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Yoda vs Darth Sidious - Fight Scene | Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K

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Obi-Wan vs Anakin - Duel on Mustafar (Part 2) | Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K

Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Anakin Skywalker Full Fight Scene - Mustafar Battle - Duel on Mustafar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K ...

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That's five versus one. For every one silly thing, there were more than enough good stuff to go around.

 

[Ineedahero]

A) You're the one who wrote the post, I'm within my rights to respond. Also, brevity isn't the soul of wit, it's the excuse of people who have short attention spans, who belong in Twitter.

B) No they didn't. None of that was even remotely true. Only the freaks in the SW fandom thought that Lucas was some kind of perfect god. And every fandom had its freaks: the Trek fans who worship the Prime Directive and bark in Klingon at people, the Lord of the Rings fans who thought that the powerful characters in the novels were gods, etc. Any idiot who thought Lucas was some kind of god and thought that Jedi was a legit religion didn't understand that Star Wars' ideology comes straight out of Bible Camp, just as two of the Indy films also did. You're taking the views of a minority and applying them to a large majority of SW fans, who basically just saw both trilogies as fun boom-fiestas and nothing more.

C) Considering that Lucas called Palpatine the space devil and even OPENLY USED RELIGION AS A PLOT in two out of three classic Indiana Jones films, you're the blind one here. Only an idiot wouldn't realize that half the shit the OT and the Prequels were trying to preach comes straight from the Bible, which was the source of 90% of American morality when Lucas was a kid.

D) The man made Star Wars, he has the rights to do with it as he pleases. That, and his movies were a tiny island in a sea of content. If he fucked up, there was far more Star Wars to go around for those who didn't want Jar Jar, sappy romance dialogue, or Vader screaming "NOOOOOOO" like a twat.

E) I was more than alive long before the 2000s. Assuming that I only watched SW and saw how the outside world reacted to it in 2006 when I explicitly stated that I watched the OT BEFORE TPM came out goes to show your ignorance. And I saw the fan reaction myself to the Prequels WHEN THEY CAME OUT-some mild criticism followed by fanboys frothing at the mouth and screaming about how awesome it is, then the hype died down as the years went on and the fans moved on to other things. And no, the average fan wasn't claiming that Lucas raped their childhoods-they just had some fun, either with the awesome stuff from the prequels, or by laughing AT the silly stuff in the prequels. Besides, those who weren't fans were burying their heads in novels and comics galore that didn't give a damn about what the prequels were doing. Only the totally retarded people were claiming that Lucas raped their childhoods, and those are the people who couldn't get a life. Even I never claimed that Disney raped my childhood-only that they were crapping out real stinkers. Because my own memory of Star Wars was the six films and the old canon, which Disney explicitly stated isn't theirs anymore.

F) I said that ROTS was close to being as good as ESB. Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSN6BOgrSSU&t=153s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziOkap3UiLE

Obi-Wan vs Anakin - Duel on Mustafar (Part 1) | Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K

Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Anakin Skywalker Full Fight Scene - Mustafar Battle - Duel on Mustafar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K ...

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Yoda vs Darth Sidious - Fight Scene | Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K

Yoda vs Palpatine Fight Scene - Yoda vs Darth Sidious Battle - Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K Ultra HD Buy it on Blu-ray: ...

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Obi-Wan vs Anakin - Duel on Mustafar (Part 2) | Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K

Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Anakin Skywalker Full Fight Scene - Mustafar Battle - Duel on Mustafar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) Movie Clip 4K ...

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That's five versus one. For every one silly thing, there were more than enough good stuff to go around.

Loooool you really are 50. And this is how you argue? Is this an example of sundowning or are you just retarded? I'm done feeding you like a baby bird so feel free to imagine you won this argument by somehow responding to everything I said without ever understanding it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Loooool you really are 50. And this is how you argue? Is this an example of sundowning or are you just retarded? I'm done feeding you like a baby bird so feel free to imagine you won this argument by somehow responding to everything I said without ever understanding it.

Whatever pal, go get drunk or something. Maybe then you'll actually feel better.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

Loooool you really are 50. And this is how you argue? Is this an example of sundowning or are you just retarded? I'm done feeding you like a baby bird so feel free to imagine you won this argument by somehow responding to everything I said without ever understanding it.

"Everyone hated the Prequels because muh Plinkett and the vocal standup comedians said so. Also, what r u, a boomer? Lol"

 

[White Devil]

How dare you be older than me, random internet denizen!

 

[Ineedahero]

Oh good, it's the sped squad. It's funny that he is fifty because that's what I guessed. I'm not angry at him for it. I don't want to take the right to be older than me away from anyone, since you're probably stupid enough to be concerned about that too. I used stand up comedians and plinkett as examples of the meme in mainstream popular culture, to demonstrate how widespread it was. This is in response to the idea that nobody thought this. The jokes wouldn't get laughs if people didn't agree with them. Nobody is watching an hour and a half of a guy mumbling swear words about something they disagree with. They aren't sitting there going 'heh those star wars movies were exciting fun! Like transformers! And jesus! But boy this guy's first person serial killer shtick is so good I'll listen to it. That's how much I wish I could see through the eyes of a serial killer." Or maybe they are? Maybe they are.

 

[White Devil]

You know, Im not a big fan of his long winded diatribes myself, but you don't have to come into a civil discussion being a massive asshole.

 

[Safir]

Considering that Lucas called Palpatine the space devil and even OPENLY USED RELIGION AS A PLOT in two out of three classic Indiana Jones films,

And it's godawfully represented, as expected from a person who's "spiritual but not religious" (not a Lucas quote) "Buddhist Methodist" (now this is). He thinks the carpenter's cup being plain and the letter J are funny and clever gotchas. It's game show logic, not modern religious belief. Christian scholars would decry it as pagan. It's historically-themed Jedi Temple Challenge.
From Wikipedia:

Lucas discussed the concept with Philip Kaufman, who worked with him for several weeks and came up with the Ark of the Covenant as the plot device.

Lucas first introduced the Holy Grail in an idea for the film's prologue, which was to be set in Scotland. He intended the Grail to have a pagan basis, with the rest of the film revolving around a separate Christian artifact in Africa. Spielberg did not care for the Grail idea, which he found too esoteric, even after Lucas suggested giving it healing powers and the ability to grant immortality. In September 1984, Lucas completed an eight-page treatment titled Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, which he soon followed with an 11-page outline. The story saw Indiana battling a ghost in Scotland before finding the Fountain of Youth in Africa.

(Spielberg, Kasdan and Kaufman are Jews.)

notice that the main character [of Star Wars] was named after one of the four Gospel authors

Any competing theories? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[ZMOT]

They still are fake fans to me. RLM kept demonizing the Prequels in favor of the Original Trilogy, yet gave EPVII a slack despite the fact that it made the OT about as important as Naruto filler anime. The Prequels didn't destroy the Original Trilogy-in fact, people gained a new appreciation for it when two out of three Prequels weren't as satisfying as the OT was. EPVII basically told audiences that nothing in the OT mattered, not even character development or power progression. Nobody who likes the OT would want to see everything its heroes accomplished thrown down the drain while its lessons on the need for experience get thrown away in favor of Instant Jedi Just Add Feminism. Them whining about there's nothing outside of the OT rings hollow when they gave a pass to a movie that made it inconsequential. And now, people are beginning to see RLM in a negative light because they, along with many movie critics, got the ball rolling on over-criticizing Lucas and demonizing him to the point where his spirits were crushed and he sold to Disney out of spite, due to all the voices telling him that practically anyone can make Star Wars movies better than he can. Even though at worst, the Prequels are the equivalent of Michael Bay minus the tits and sex jokes, while the ST is something even worse. And now, the result of that is that the SW movie franchise is a joke, the toys don't even sell anymore, and the books, comics, and games are part of a new canon that doesn't even look half as coherent even when compared to all the retarded shit the EU did. So in retrospect, all these whiny critic types, RLM included, destroyed Star Wars as a profitable IP and as a series, the only thing good Disney has done is some bits of Rebels, maybe Rogue One, S7 of Clone Wars, and the Mandalorian. And the latter two were basically things that the people had to whine and bitch about just for them to get.

so what were the issues of TLJ on a technical level? not asking about the shit story or characters, but cinematography, sound design, etc. are you sure you wanna claim ep7 is so so much worse than ep1 in that regard? if you do, I'm sure you can explain why in a lot of words detail.

you seem to harbor the believe the prequels are perfect movies and everybody loved them till RLM came along and it's mind virus made everyone do a 180, with all their criticisms baseless and overblown. sorry to burst your bubble, but TPM is objectively not a good movie. ep2+3 were improvements, but they have their own flaws. however, they were adequate to good star wars movies, so the flaws get a pass for what they brought to the table otherwise.
TPM came out 16 years after ROTJ, so the expectations were incredibly high. claiming everybody had no problem with it is pure revisionism, if not outright ignorance. the phantom edit wasn't released a year later because people liked jarjar so much (not to mention the internet in 2000 was a completely different place). jake lloyd didn't quit acting in 2001 as a kid when the plinket reviews came out in fucking 2009, ten years after TPM.

it's also funny that you mention michael bay, because you know what michael bay almost never does? writing. it's easy to shit on his movies for the cheesy stories and characters, but that ignores that he's an accomplished film maker. now let's see who wrote TPM... it's almost like people give lucas shit for a reason. and speaking of writing, let's say jarjar abrams only stuck to directing, what do you think the movie would look like? shit, because you think he's a bad film maker? if so, why? as far as I can remember, RLM never said jarjar should write for star wars. in fact, they quite specifically said directing. and now, before you say "hurr it would've been shit anyway because of disney " - sure, but again, we're not talking about writing here.

another thing is giving lucas a pass when he fucks up (which he did repeatedly during the prequels and even in important aspects) because he "tried hard" or "had good intentions" or whatever and no one should ever be allowed to give him shit for it, but then turn around and shit all over jarjar abrams and ruin johnson. you think they didn't try hard? or that they made shit movies on purpose and just didn't know better? wouldn't that mean lucas should receive more scorn in comparison since he should know how to do star wars right and everybody else acted to the best of their limited abilities? either you grant everyone the same leeway or none at all, everything else is just dishonest.

and before I get into how the prequels are not the sole reason for star wars general popularity back then (although they certainly were a big part) and how disney failed in completely every aspect compared to that (hint: star wars is more than just the movies), I don't want to produce another wall of text. so I'll just leave it here with this:

>star wars
>power progression

The problem with both of these statements is the manner in which RLM went about attacking GL over the PT. They aren't nearly as bad as they made it out so seem. They clearly were fanboys who grew up with Star Wars and then were disappointed it didn't fill that whole inside them like it did when they were a kid. The joy and malice they displayed in not only their PT reviews but throughout their collection with the mean spirited jokes, attacking GL for other films that weren't ST was unbecoming to say the least. No benefit of the doubt was given to GL and what he was trying to do due. And they enjoyed it. ST getting fucked right now is their penance.

I only saw TFA once and knew it had a shit ton of problems. That movie broke the rules of SW before TLJ and they ate it up. It broke basic story telling rules as well and they ate it up.(Rey beating Kylo) And instead of owning up to them recommending JJ and getting BTFO by it actually happening they downplayed it. Which is dumb considering how much impact they are aware they have with their PT that got then famous in the first place, how many industry people they have gotten on the show and how they are basically the origin of youtube movie criticism.

And here's the thing, their criticism of the PT is so surface level and so much in the vein of 'Wah, This isnt the OT' its laughable looking back on it now and looking at the PT in its complete story of 1-3. The PT is flawed, has execution issues, and performance issues from the actors involved. But, a lot of the criticism comes from audience projection more than what the films presents on their own. That's not fair to any movie. Preferences != Criticism.

So yes, RLM is partially to blame for the state of SW, they have said themselves they are not SW fans(which I believe stopped being the case when they were disappointed in TPM). Karma is a bitch.

they prequels also weren't as good as people say. TPM certainly had a strong honey moon period, but once that was over the missed expectations came back to bite it in the ass hard. long before I ever heard of plinkett I was already soured how TPM's tone was all over the place. on one side you have overly long and boring passages with way to much talk about shit most people don't care about like politics or midichlorians, on the other you have straight-up slap-stick with poop jokes (ironically I was never bothered by jar jar that much, but then I was also never one of those fart-huffers that think star wars is super serious for mature people only. and I have to say it again: fuck you wendig, jar jar didn't deserve that ending). however it had qui-gon and darth maul and one of william's best pieces.

along comes "I hate sand" AOTC with whatever the fuck that "romance" was supposed to be and everything around it, and ends with yoda turning into a fucking rubber ball. however it had more cool setpieces and more action - while still having a lot of talking. also criminally underutilized christopher lee.

ROTS might be the best of the three, and gave us based sheev, but it also had anakin's "fall" which was just butt-fucking retarded and in retrospect dragged 1&2 down with it. when the best explanation is "anakin is just a double-digit iq hick with a big force dick" something's wrong. sure, it makes everything more fun with that POV, but completely missed the tragic lucas was aiming for and more importantly build up over 3 movies. in some regard it also made vader in the OT worse, because you now remember that the cool, somewhat mysterious dude choking bitches is actually a whiny-ass kid from bumfuck nowhere with a geological trauma. so the ST wasn't the first one to fuck with the OT.

as for RLM (which probably has been discussed at length already, so I'll try to keep it short) - what did you want them to say about TFA? confirmation bias one of the worst parts of this whole review schtick in general, so for me I can accept that they didn't really give a shit at that point and were basically "yeah, sure, whatever". shitting on it just because people expected it would've been even worse however you look at it. and remember, at that point the ST was still somewhat salvageable, even with abrams' shoddy foundation (in theory at least, never happening under disney).
which is also the reason the plinkett reviews and their ST coverage is so different. it's hard to get invested in something that you can really criticize it if you don't give a shit about it anymore. it would probably be easy to claim that they're "above it" since they can be quite pretentious twats, however they still care about the "other nerd shit" star trek, so it's not all fart-huffing. and if you watch that discovery re:view it shows they know what they're talking about when they're really into it. which, arguably, might not have been the complete case for star wars. plus the plinkett reviews came out years later after the trilogy was complete, there was plenty of time to refine it.

another thing is you can't really blame them for plinkett blowing up the way it did. while they probably had their grievances with SW at that point, they also never claimed it's the objective truth and should be taken as a completely serious review (as if the plinkett bits didn't give it away). which is another thing that added to the somewhat lukewarm review of TFA. all in all back then at least I always felt they just watched it out of obligation and didn't really say much about it - good or bad.

this isn't meant as a defense of RLM, it's just that I can agree to disagree with fellow nerds when it comes to nerd shit (jay isn't really a nerd, and simping for ridley was just sad when it was so obvious. get a better waifu dude)

 

[BScCollateral]

The first two movies were quite good; Episode VI was badly flawed but the Luke / Vader / Emperor subplot saves it. The Prequels were never well liked, nor do they deserve to be. Lucas really hasn't made a good film since the fall of the Soviet Union. Chronologically, that matches well with the breakup with his editor.

And I don't give a fuck about the EU or Mandalorians.

 

[Getting tard comed]

they prequels also weren't as good as people say. TPM certainly had a strong honey moon period, but once that was over the missed expectations came back to bite it in the ass hard. long before I ever heard of plinkett I was already soured how TPM's tone was all over the place. on one side you have overly long and boring passages with way to much talk about shit most people don't care about like politics or midichlorians, on the other you have straight-up slap-stick with poop jokes (ironically I was never bothered by jar jar that much, but then I was also never one of those fart-huffers that think star wars is super serious for mature people only. and I have to say it again: fuck you wendig, jar jar didn't deserve that ending). however it had qui-gon and darth maul and one of william's best pieces.

along comes "I hate sand" AOTC with whatever the fuck that "romance" was supposed to be and everything around it, and ends with yoda turning into a fucking rubber ball. however it had more cool setpieces and more action - while still having a lot of talking. also criminally underutilized christopher lee.

ROTS might be the best of the three, and gave us based sheev, but it also had anakin's "fall" which was just butt-fucking retarded and in retrospect dragged 1&2 down with it. when the best explanation is "anakin is just a double-digit iq hick with a big force dick" something's wrong. sure, it makes everything more fun with that POV, but completely missed the tragic lucas was aiming for and more importantly build up over 3 movies. it some regard it also made vader in the OT worse, because you now remember that the cool, somewhat mysterious dude choking bitches is actually a whiny-ass kid from bumfuck nowhere with a geological trauma. so the ST wasn't the first one to fuck with the OT.

as for RLM (which probably has been discussed at length already, so I'll try to keep it short) - what did you want them to say about TFA? confirmation bias one of the worst parts of this whole review schtick in general, so for me I can accept that they didn't really give a shit at that point and were basically "yeah, sure, whatever". shitting on it just because people expected it would've been even worse however you look at it. and remember, at that point the ST was still somewhat salvageable, even with abrams' shoddy foundation (in theory at least, never happening under disney).
which is also the reason the plinkett reviews and their ST coverage is so different. it's hard to get invested in something that you can really criticize it if you don't give a shit about it anymore. it would probably be easy to claim that they're "above it" since they can be quite pretentious twats, however they still care about the "other nerd shit" star trek, so it's not all fart-huffing. and if you watch that discovery re:view it shows they know what they're talking about when they're really into it. which, arguably, might not have been the complete case for star wars. plus the plinkett reviews came out years later after the trilogy was complete, there was plenty of time to refine it.

another thing is you can't really blame them for plinkett blowing up the way it did. while they probably had their grievances with SW at that point, they also never claimed it's the objective truth and should be taken as a completely serious review (as if the plinkett bits didn't give it away). which is another thing that added to the somewhat lukewarm review of TFA. all in all back then at least I always felt they just watched it out of obligation and didn't really say much about it - good or bad.

this isn't meant as a defense of RLM, it's just that I can agree to disagree with fellow nerds when it comes to nerd shit (jay isn't really a nerd, and simping for ridley was just sad when it was so obvious. get a better waifu dude)

The prequels also aren't as bad as people say. That's my whole point. I disagree with most of your assessment on the prequels and that's fine. We can agree to disagree. But again I will say that Preferences != Criticism. GL took the story in the way he wanted and from all information I can find the way he always intended. Darth Vader was always a sad, pathetic man who lost everything and needed his son to redeem him. That's GL's words. Because of the order they came out people have an inflated sense of who Vader(One I dont believe is justifiable in the OT) was without all the context. You don't have to like it but theres nothing wrong with it. You thought you were getting one story and found out it was a different one, one I'd argue was deeper, a bit more tragic, and more archetypical. But theres no need to rehash my defense of the prequels. It will not convince anyone who hates them anyway.

Regarding RLM, again the problem is the joy they got out of attacking GL. You may disagree that's what was going on but they didn't have to bring on the director of the documentary The People vs George Lucas. They didn't have to attack a mediocre(but fine and entertaining imo) movie in Red Tails and use it as a launching pad to attack GL. They didn't have to constantly take potshots at SW and gL throughout their entire run on youtube. They choose to do all those things and that's the issue. Its spiteful ex lover behavior.

I disagree with your assessment of them at the time of TFA and their feelings on SW but that's fine. Neither of us are them(hopefully) so we will never know. I didn't need them to attack TFA, but they, like most people praised it at the time. What I'm saying is not particular to them. TFA has fundamental story problems for the first movie in a trilogy, questionable choices for a movie that was a stand alone movie, and quite frankly in universe rule breaking for a movie that is a part of Star Wars. Do I need them RLM to point those things out? No. They stopped being fans of SW at this point. That doesn't change the flaws in TFA.

Nobody is blaming then for being succesful. I think it's a weak move to suggest something, have that thing happen and be bad then go "Oh I wasn't wrong even though I suggested it, I'm just a lowly video merchant that has no influence". Which a) is a non-sequitor and b)isn't true precisely because they did blow up.

We can agree to disagree. You can feel whatever way you want to about movies. It's annoying that so many people reference and propagate the criticisms of the prequels that RLM popularized when the criticisms aren't legit IMO and easily dismissed or flat out wrong. Like factually incorrect in the movie. RLM is simply entertainment to me, nothing serious. Other people don't see them as merely entertainment, and treat what they say as gospel. You claim they know what they are talking about Discovery, idk about that. I dont watch the show. A trekkie friend of mine disagrees with them entirely about Picard and a lot of Discovery so idk who's right. The only thing I know is that the prequels weren't as bad as their review makes them out to be and more importantly a story unique to an artist(You can debate how good or bad he is but GL is an artist) was told. It wasn't a made by boardroom movie stuffed with extra bullshit to appease a 4 quadrant customer review.

I'll take that over what's happened to ST anyday. Karma's a bitch.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

And it's godawfully represented, as expected from a person who's "spiritual but not religious" (not a Lucas quote) "Buddhist Methodist" (now this is). He thinks the carpenter's cup being plain and the letter J are funny and clever gotchas. It's game show logic, not modern religious belief. Christian scholars would decry it as pagan. It's historically-themed Jedi Temple Challenge.


(Spielberg, Kasdan and Kaufman are Jews.)


Any competing theories? Anyone? Bueller?

Lucas' ideology would get laughed out of Buddhist school. The fact that he keeps hammering the lesson that the Light is good and the Dark is evil when in most Eastern religions, Yin and Yang aren't good or evil, just opposite facets of a greater whole that need to be balanced with each other, whereas Lucas explicitly described balance in the Force as the ABSENCE of darkness, not balance between dark and light. That, and the Buddhists would laugh at the idea of trying to reform Darth Vader, since they'd probably have the guy get executed for his crimes.

Everything else the saga teaches can be found in the Bible, as well.
-The Jedi such as Yoda preaching that you have to control your anger/emotions: God telling Cain to control his anger towards Abel, and punishing him when he didn't.
-An illicit relationship with a woman leading to a man's downfall: Sampson/Delilah, although Padme is nowhere near as bad as Delilah, her relationship with Anakin did help nudge him towards the Dark Side.
-Untrustworthiness of earthly powers like the Republic: Untrustworthiness of kings in well, the Book of Kings.
-Luke destroying the Death Star with a few well-placed Proton Torpedoes: David and Goliath, with Tarkin's Death Star being the Goliath in this situation and Luke's X-Wing representing David taking him down with a well-placed stone throw.
-Luke attempting to redeem Vader, seeing the good in him: Christian ideology seeking the forgiveness of the sinner, ie. "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin."

The fact that Speilberg, Kasdan, and Kaufman were Jews would make them familiar with Biblical morality, especially Old Testament morality which Jews grew up with, since their people WROTE the Old Testament. That, and even Jews in the US were familiar with Christians and were not above pandering to them. After all, the Jewish creators of Superman (who made the character to mock the Nazi ideal of the Ubermensch) made him such a hardcore Christian that the man can probably quote the Bible while beating you to death with it.

So yeah, actual Buddhists and people from eastern religions would look at Star Wars and describe it as too western. Aside from some aesthetics which they copied from Buddhist monks and Samurais, the morality of Star Wars is as much Bible-beating as everything else. Hence why Star Wars doesn't do as well in non-Christian countries like China than it does in Christian ones like America, where the whole Light vs. Dark conflict is something easier understood in the latter than in the former.

And as for the Indy films, especially with Last Crusade, Indy gets steamed about the Nazi librarian chick for siding with the people who were "against everything that the Grail stood for" ie. against everything Christ stood for, as we see Nazis burning books in Berlin and celebrating Hitler as if he were a god. The fact that Lucas had Indy grab a simple cup and have it be the Holy Grail reflects how many Christians talked about Christ's humility, that he comes from a humble family and instead of coming into Jerusalem as some kind of conquering Emperor, he rides into Jerusalem on a donkey. Emphasizing Christ's humility was something American Christians weren't alien to.

so what were the issues of TLJ on a technical level? not asking about the shit story or characters, but cinematography, sound design, etc. are you sure you wanna claim ep7 is so so much worse than ep1 in that regard? if you do, I'm sure you can explain why in a lot of words detail.

you seem to harbor the believe the prequels are perfect movies and everybody loved them till RLM came along and it's mind virus made everyone do a 180, with all their criticisms baseless and overblown. sorry to burst your bubble, but TPM is objectively not a good movie. ep2+3 were improvements, but they have their own flaws. however, they were adequate to good star wars movies, so the flaws get a pass for what they brought to the table otherwise.
TPM came out 16 years after ROTJ, so the expectations were incredibly high. claiming everybody had no problem with it is pure revisionism, if not outright ignorance. the phantom edit wasn't released a year later because people liked jarjar so much (not to mention the internet in 2000 was a completely different place). jake lloyd didn't quit acting in 2001 as a kid when the plinket reviews came out in fucking 2009, ten years after TPM.

it's also funny that you mention michael bay, because you know what michael bay almost never does? writing. it's easy to shit on his movies for the cheesy stories and characters, but that ignores that he's an accomplished film maker. now let's see who wrote TPM... it's almost like people give lucas shit for a reason. and speaking of writing, let's say jarjar abrams only stuck to directing, what do you think the movie would look like? shit, because you think he's a bad film maker? if so, why? as far as I can remember, RLM never said jarjar should write for star wars. in fact, they quite specifically said directing. and now, before you say "hurr it would've been shit anyway because of disney " - sure, but again, we're not talking about writing here.

another thing is giving lucas a pass when he fucks up (which he did repeatedly during the prequels and even in important aspects) because he "tried hard" or "had good intentions" or whatever and no one should ever be allowed to give him shit for it, but then turn around and shit all over jarjar abrams and ruin johnson. you think they didn't try hard? or that they made shit movies on purpose and just didn't know better? wouldn't that mean lucas should receive more scorn in comparison since he should know how to do star wars right and everybody else acted to the best of their limited abilities? either you grant everyone the same leeway or none at all, everything else is just dishonest.

and before I get into how the prequels are not the sole reason for star wars general popularity back then (although they certainly were a big part) and how disney failed in completely every aspect compared to that (hint: star wars is more than just the movies), I don't want to produce another wall of text. so I'll just leave it here with this:

>star wars
>power progression





they prequels also weren't as good as people say. TPM certainly had a strong honey moon period, but once that was over the missed expectations came back to bite it in the ass hard. long before I ever heard of plinkett I was already soured how TPM's tone was all over the place. on one side you have overly long and boring passages with way to much talk about shit most people don't care about like politics or midichlorians, on the other you have straight-up slap-stick with poop jokes (ironically I was never bothered by jar jar that much, but then I was also never one of those fart-huffers that think star wars is super serious for mature people only. and I have to say it again: fuck you wendig, jar jar didn't deserve that ending). however it had qui-gon and darth maul and one of william's best pieces.

along comes "I hate sand" AOTC with whatever the fuck that "romance" was supposed to be and everything around it, and ends with yoda turning into a fucking rubber ball. however it had more cool setpieces and more action - while still having a lot of talking. also criminally underutilized christopher lee.

ROTS might be the best of the three, and gave us based sheev, but it also had anakin's "fall" which was just butt-fucking retarded and in retrospect dragged 1&2 down with it. when the best explanation is "anakin is just a double-digit iq hick with a big force dick" something's wrong. sure, it makes everything more fun with that POV, but completely missed the tragic lucas was aiming for and more importantly build up over 3 movies. in some regard it also made vader in the OT worse, because you now remember that the cool, somewhat mysterious dude choking bitches is actually a whiny-ass kid from bumfuck nowhere with a geological trauma. so the ST wasn't the first one to fuck with the OT.

as for RLM (which probably has been discussed at length already, so I'll try to keep it short) - what did you want them to say about TFA? confirmation bias one of the worst parts of this whole review schtick in general, so for me I can accept that they didn't really give a shit at that point and were basically "yeah, sure, whatever". shitting on it just because people expected it would've been even worse however you look at it. and remember, at that point the ST was still somewhat salvageable, even with abrams' shoddy foundation (in theory at least, never happening under disney).
which is also the reason the plinkett reviews and their ST coverage is so different. it's hard to get invested in something that you can really criticize it if you don't give a shit about it anymore. it would probably be easy to claim that they're "above it" since they can be quite pretentious twats, however they still care about the "other nerd shit" star trek, so it's not all fart-huffing. and if you watch that discovery re:view it shows they know what they're talking about when they're really into it. which, arguably, might not have been the complete case for star wars. plus the plinkett reviews came out years later after the trilogy was complete, there was plenty of time to refine it.

another thing is you can't really blame them for plinkett blowing up the way it did. while they probably had their grievances with SW at that point, they also never claimed it's the objective truth and should be taken as a completely serious review (as if the plinkett bits didn't give it away). which is another thing that added to the somewhat lukewarm review of TFA. all in all back then at least I always felt they just watched it out of obligation and didn't really say much about it - good or bad.

this isn't meant as a defense of RLM, it's just that I can agree to disagree with fellow nerds when it comes to nerd shit (jay isn't really a nerd, and simping for ridley was just sad when it was so obvious. get a better waifu dude)

I already admitted that the Prequels were flawed as fuck. In fact, I repeatedly called them "Michael Bay minus the sex jokes and T&A". I wasn't saying that they're perfect, nor was I giving Lucas a pass. In fact, I was highlighting previously how he began to suck at the end of the OT and how he never got as good as he was in ESB, although he did come close with ROTS. They were flawed but fun films that didn't deserve RLM's and the prequel-bashers' hate, nor did they rape anyone's childhoods. Lucas was flawed, but he was more a family-friendly version of Michael Bay rather than someone who raped people's childhoods, which he did not. I grew up with the OT right before the Prequels came out, and they were fine for me. Not as good as ESB, but they were fine, all things considered, for a sci-fi movie series that was originally made to be a callback to older sci-fi serials like Flash Gordon.

Power progression was something the SW films took seriously. Hence why they made a point to show how much Luke/Anakin sucks in ESB and AOTC, whereas in the next film after they're properly trained, they're powerful as all hell to the point where the Space Devil is willing to waste his former apprentice to get them onboard.

And I was expecting people like RLM who claim to love the OT so much to not like it when a film like TFA practically comes in and makes the OT about as relevant as Naruto anime filler, by making the accomplishments of its heroes null and void and making its lessons null and void in favor of Instant Jedi Just Add Feminism. Any lover of the OT wouldn't be so peachy-keen on a movie series where the first movie quite literally undoes EVERYTHING the OT heroes accomplished. You'd think fans of the OT would be shitting bricks over everything accomplished in those movies being made null and void just to pander to little girls.

Even Dark Empire wasn't that stupid, where despite Palpatine's return, the powerful Empire is still on shaky ground, and all it takes is him dying a few more times before the Empire is put back on the defensive again in the wake of a hostile and militant New Republic, which in the next comic series (Crimson Empire) got away with stealing a fucking SUPER STAR DESTROYER. Neither was Legacy Era Star Wars that dumb, especially when the attempted genocide of the Jedi fails and a Jedi takes half the Empire away from the Sith, and starts a massive Imperial Civil War with a Jedi Emperor on one side and a Sith Emperor on the other. At least they didn't undo the "Return of the Jedi" that was supposed to happen from Episode VI onwards. You'd think RLM would be more vicious towards TFA since it undid EVERYTHING from the Original Trilogy, something the Prequels never did. But they weren't, which goes to show me RLM's "love" for the OT was just them using the OT to bash the PT, they really didn't care that much for the story of the Original Trilogy at all, since undoing it really didn't piss them off in the slightest.

 

[Miller]

honestly, that’s just the kind of cinnamon roll Jedi she is

A food allegory in a SW book?

If we're talking about bad RLM takes then Rich's insistence that Star Wars is inherently "limited" and you can only ever do OT stories and rip-offs of OT stories has to be mentioned.
Still one of the dumbest things ever said about Star Wars.

I remember watching that HitB episode and hitting the pause button because I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It's no wonder that the same people made Space Cop.

 

[Creep3r]

You know what Sana Starros reminds me of? She’s like that one villain in every action movie who performs a task for the villain, then gets smug and greedy and demands more money, only for the main villain to kill them. Only, since she mostly works for the Rebellion, Leia doesn’t have the grace to kill the money grubbing little shit.
Edit: Case in point.
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I’d forgotten how shit this arc was. While this is going on, Han gamblers away Rebellion funds, so he and Luke have to transport nerfs to make back the money. Then, when they arrive at the crisis, they get immediately captured and have bombs strapped to them so that Aphra and Starros have to rescue then. Pure fucking disgust.

Nothing says poorly written OCs (mary sues) more than dumbing down every pre-established character around you to make your own new characters look better by comparison.