Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Yeah and two of the Coronaviruses in the antibody study cause the common cold.

You think there will be immunity from a different Coronavirus, a much more mild one? There's not even good evidence that you develop antibodies from Covid-19, with reports of people contracting it twice (although those reports could be false)

>Common Cold Coronaviruses are giving us antibodies that trick the test into thinking they are COVID-19 antibodies!
>You think those antibodies which are structurally similar to COVID-19 antibodies might work like COVID-19 antibodies?
>Akachually we might not even get antibodies from COVID-19!

Fucking Galaxy-Brained take right there!

I don't claim to know, or even think one way or the other, but its certainly a realistic possibility. Keep in mind Cowpox, the Vaccina virus derived from Cowpox and Smallpox are all in the same family (though not the same genus); and the former two provide antibodies to protect against the latter. Fun Fact: it was the observation that Cowpox conferred immunity to its cousin Smallpox that gave us the first vaccine (everyone else feel free to use this fact to dunk on Karens & Soyjacks that claim herd immunity is somehow anti-vaxxer pseudoscience). Further, its worth pointing out that these two other "common cold" coronaviruses are in the same genus (Betacornavirus) as COVID, SARS-1 and MERS; meaning that they are closer related and more akin to one another than Cowpox, Vaccina and Smallpox are.
Its certainly possible, and if we are to believe the other two betacoronavirus species are close enough to COVID-19 to trick an antibody test then its not far-fetched to entertain the idea that these other betacoronavirus antibodies might transfer some level of immunity/resistance to their close cousin.

Furthermore, the hypothesis that COVID-19 is regulated moreso by T-Cells recognizing and destroying infected cells has been accepted by multiple peer-reviewed studies (just like its cousins, who'd have thought?). Antibodies are merely one factor of a host's immune response. The 5,000 IQ take that no antibodies = no resistance falls flat when you realize the body can just make more antibodies. The genetic memory of your immune system ins't just going to "forget" how to cook up an antibody to fight off a coronavirus or "lose the recipe" to the antibody, its going to have that information stored for quite some time. The T-cells will also be primed for quite some time to recognize a coronavirus infected and act accordingly.

As far as "muh reinfection" goes, I (among others) have provided sources time and time again debunking that angle. Simple case math can tell us that out of over 14 million recovered cases worldwide we have a handful of "well maybe it was a reinfection", that its clearly not very possible and likely statistically insignificant even in extremely rare cases where it does happen (i.e. someone with an immune disorder where their body actually does fail to produce antibodies, T-cells forget, etc.)

 

[Drain Todger]

Well, this is disturbing.

The leftist narrative I seem to see is that "there is no political agenda" in all these coronapanic measures ("social distancing", mandatory face masks), the measures are recommendations by competent health officials and they always work, and face masks are in no way about control through fear.

There definitely is a political agenda. A very cynical one, to boot. The partisan jousting over all of this has been absolutely shameless. It should never have been a partisan issue. The politicization of science and medicine is an abomination. People’s parents and grandparents were killed by all this indecisiveness and petty squabbling. The parties spent all their time using a pandemic as a political football, trying to lay the blame for the crisis at each other’s feet, delaying measures that could have saved lives. This is a farce.

The Army Corps of Engineers put together giant field hospitals with thousands of beds. They went completely unused. Instead, Democrat governors stuffed COVID-positive patients in nursing homes and killed people with nosocomial infections.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/many-field-hospitals-went-largely-unused-will-be-shut-down/

A company in the US offered to manufacture millions of N95 masks on an emergency basis, but were turned down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html

I knew there’d be a mask shortage and contacted politicians back in February, but received no real reply. I am sick and tired of the lies and mismanagement. I am sick of watching these assholes try and dupe America.

 

[FatalTater]

No way in hell are people going to give up their AC to stop the Wu Flu. Especially Southerners. It's the middle of summer and temperatures are consistently in the 90s, with the heat index usually in the 100s. You can take their AC when you pry it from their cold, dead hands, because there's no way you're getting it out of their cold, alive hands.

Shit, grandma will be the first one to tell y'all to turn on that AC so everyone can be comfortable and damn the consequences.

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

Shit, grandma will be the first one to tell y'all to turn on that AC so everyone can be comfortable and damn the consequences.

GIVE ME AC OR GIVE ME DEATH

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

No way in hell are people going to give up their AC to stop the Wu Flu. Especially Southerners. It's the middle of summer and temperatures are consistently in the 90s, with the heat index usually in the 100s. You can take their AC when you pry it from their cold, dead hands, because there's no way you're getting it out of their cold, alive hands.

>Indian-German research team
So one country that can't afford AC and another that doesn't generally need it are telling us to go without. Go back to shitting in your streets and feeling Nazi guilt, assholes.

I remember living in Virginia and having summer days that were over a hundred, uncomfortably humid and no one batting an eye. And that's normal. I think ever Euro who doesn't understand why Americans love AC should have to spend a summer in the coastal South. Assuming they survive.

Given their observed levels of competence, anything coming out of India or involving Indians should be taken with the worlds big salt shaker full of the world's biggest salt. I wouldn't trust most of them with a hammer.

 

[I can't imagine]

Shit, grandma will be the first one to tell y'all to turn on that AC so everyone can be comfortable and damn the consequences.

Not only that, many people (especially the vulnerable and old people) will literally die if they're in certain parts of the U.S. with no air conditioning. Even assuming the whole premise is true, you're essentially sacrificing the lives of the exact same people you'd theoretically be protecting, and leaving them uncomfortable and suffering to boot.

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

Not to mention homes in the USA are designed around central AC. Most homes in Europe are shot gun style or have huge parallel windows to let the breeze thru. I swear to go this covid shit is so out of hand, just kill me already.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Can we rename this pandemic as the Holocoof so we can remember the 6 million grandmas that died?

 

[ToroidalBoat]

No way in hell are people going to give up their AC to stop the Wu Flu. Especially Southerners. It's the middle of summer and temperatures are consistently in the 90s, with the heat index usually in the 100s.

Not to mention in the hellish desert of Arizona.

AC in AZ is thought of like life support is in a space colony.

 

[JosephStalin]

Not to mention in the hellish desert of Arizona.

AC in AZ is thought of like life support is in a space colony.

TX, too. In San Antonio you usually started running the air in March, pretty straight through until November. Hot and humid as hell. Here next to the Pacific doubt few, if any residences have A/C. We don't even have a fan.

Added: A/C systems, even window units, contain filters. Can the filters trap the virus? Don't know, some might, But either way, keep filters clean or replace as needed, air should be cleaner inside.

Couple of stories...

This is really stupid, on so many levels. Students confined to campus. Employees/visitors come and go as they please. And the students have to have a tracking app on their phones. Good reason to leave the phone secured in the dorm room. Can't track you if you don't have that phone.

https://freebeacon.com/campus/michigan-college-will-digitally-track-students-movements-at-all-times/

https://archive.vn/QwtYD

Unsurprisingly, "celebrities" attending the Video Music Awards need not worry about NY's quarantine measures.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/23/celebs-attending-vmas-have-been-excused-from-new-yorks-covid-19-quarantine-mandate-963515?utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_campaign=bizpac

https://archive.vn/AozXg

 

[King Dead]

TX, too. In San Antonio you usually started running the air in March, pretty straight through until November. Hot and humid as hell. Here next to the Pacific doubt few, if any residences have A/C. We don't even have a fan.

Couple of stories...

This is really stupid, on so many levels. Students confined to campus. Employees/visitors come and go as they please. And the students have to have a tracking app on their phones. Good reason to leave the phone secured in the dorm room. Can't track you if you don't have that phone.

https://freebeacon.com/campus/michigan-college-will-digitally-track-students-movements-at-all-times/

https://archive.vn/QwtYD

Unsurprisingly, "celebrities" attending the Video Music Awards need not worry about NY's quarantine measures.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/23/celebs-attending-vmas-have-been-excused-from-new-yorks-covid-19-quarantine-mandate-963515?utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_campaign=bizpac

https://archive.vn/AozXg

Anyone who continues to support these draconian measures because "think of the grandmas," yet willfully ignores the clear double standards that societal elites get to play by, deserves to be shut in a room where people cough on them all day until they have a psychotic break. It's painfully obvious that we're being forced to abide by rules that our supposed betters get to ignore at will, and it's been that way pretty much since the start. Haircuts were only the beginning.

In other news, at least one of my local theaters is scheduled to reopen this week. I've always been an avid moviegoer, even if a lot of what Hollywood puts out is drek (it's mostly how my best friend and I bond since there's not too much else to do besides browsing bookstores). I plan on going as soon as possible, Wu Flu be damned. I haven't seen a movie on the big screen in six months, and I'm gonna support my theaters as much as I'm able because I'd hate for any of them to shut down over this nonsense.

 

[JosephStalin]

Anyone who continues to support these draconian measures because "think of the grandmas," yet willfully ignores the clear double standards that societal elites get to play by, deserves to be shut in a room where people cough on them all day until they have a psychotic break. It's painfully obvious that we're being forced to abide by rules that our supposed betters get to ignore at will, and it's been that way pretty much since the start. Haircuts were only the beginning.

In other news, at least one of my local theaters is scheduled to reopen this week. I've always been an avid moviegoer, even if a lot of what Hollywood puts out is drek (it's mostly how my best friend and I bond since there's not too much else to do besides browsing bookstores). I plan on going as soon as possible, Wu Flu be damned. I haven't seen a movie on the big screen in six months, and I'm gonna support my theaters as much as I'm able because I'd hate for any of them to shut down over this nonsense.

Indeed. Am a grandfather myself and it's well known what I think of such stupidity. I don't rag on anyone wearing a mask outside, and so far haven't been ragged about my not wearing a mask outside. I'd just ignore it or tell them to fuck off. I'm a big boy, have beaten actual life-threatening medical condition.

Haven't missed a haircut. Neighbor is a hairdessser, just go over there. No need to go on base for a haircut any more, and the money goes to help a neighbor. Win-win. Never forget for every measure there is a countermeasure. We aren't Chinese and have no problem defying oppressive authorities.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Eh, work decided to mandate a self screening app for employees. I just say I don't have a smartphone and I feel fine, then go on my way, while everyone is reaching for their phones to show the guy at the checkpoint. Fun times.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Even assuming the whole premise is true, you're essentially sacrificing the lives of the exact same people you'd theoretically be protecting, and leaving them uncomfortable and suffering to boot.

Poland can't into space.

"Woke" can't into facts.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Another leftist claim I heard is that the impact of COVID-19 is somehow being under-reported. You know, to plant even more fear.

If it was underreported we'd be seeing shit like what came out of China in the early months when they were insisting to the rest of the world that everything was fine and there was nothing to worry about. Where are the videos of people having seizures in the street? Videos of hospitals being swamped with Covid patients in critical condition? I'm not even being snarky, if that could come out of China when they had a blackout on information on this thing it sure as hell would come out of Murica. If anything was being under reported we would know.

I've noticed there's a lot of projection, trying to take what China did in the early days with downplaying the virus, etc. and claim it's what America and of course DRUMPF are doing.

There definitely is a political agenda. A very cynical one, to boot. The partisan jousting over all of this has been absolutely shameless. It should never have been a partisan issue. The politicization of science and medicine is an abomination. People’s parents and grandparents were killed by all this indecisiveness and petty squabbling. The parties spent all their time using a pandemic as a political football, trying to lay the blame for the crisis at each other’s feet, delaying measures that could have saved lives. This is a farce.

The Army Corps of Engineers put together giant field hospitals with thousands of beds. They went completely unused. Instead, Democrat governors stuffed COVID-positive patients in nursing homes and killed people with nosocomial infections.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/many-field-hospitals-went-largely-unused-will-be-shut-down/

A company in the US offered to manufacture millions of N95 masks on an emergency basis, but were turned down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html

I knew there’d be a mask shortage and contacted politicians back in February, but received no real reply. I am sick and tired of the lies and mismanagement. I am sick of watching these assholes try and dupe America.

"You're not taking the pandemic seriously!" they shout at us as the only things they're taking seriously about the pandemic are benefiting from it and trying to throw their enemies under the bus.

 

[Vault Boy]

Air-conditioned rooms help spread COVID-19, research shows
https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/air-conditioned-rooms-help-spread-covid-19-research-shows/ (http://archive.vn/8ib65)




They want you to suffer and be miserable.

These "experts" can go suck a fart out of my ass, no one will be desperate enough to give up their ACs during Summer.

Between this bullshit and the "encouragement" to wear masks outdoors while working, I'm starting to think these dipshits want a spike in heat strokes and other heat related illnesses. Are they really too stupid to realize that shit is easily capable of killing many people?

 

[Quijibo69]

These "experts" can go suck a fart out of my ass, no one will be desperate enough to give up their ACs during Summer.

Between this bullshit and the "encouragement" to wear masks outdoors while working, I'm starting to think these dipshits want a spike in heat strokes and other heat related illnesses.

Maybe that was the plan to begin with.

 

[FatalTater]

Okay so which of you is this? Nevermind, best to keep it a secret.

Police Look For Man Giving 'Covid Hugs' To Walmart Shoppers In Springfield

He was allegedly hugging shoppers and then telling them they now have coronavirus.

boston.cbslocal.com

http://archive.vn/eazsV

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

These "experts" can go suck a fart out of my ass, no one will be desperate enough to give up their ACs during Summer.

Between this bullshit and the "encouragement" to wear masks outdoors while working, I'm starting to think these dipshits want a spike in heat strokes and other heat related illnesses. Are they really too stupid to realize that shit is easily capable of killing many people?

Indeed. Just did a bunch of errands in the summer heat and at one point genuinely felt woozy from constantly having to breath back in my own hot exhalation. It's not just an inconvenience, it can be outright fucking dangerous, especially for those who already have breathing issues.

At any rate, I saw every store with signs saying "You MUST wear a mask to enter!" and it's like, oh my God, this is a test run for some real Mark of the Beast shit, isn't it. "They will only be able to buy or sell if they bear the Mark."

I didn't think it'd be possible this soon but with how swiftly and effectively they got the populace to just go along with this then they are fully willing to be forced into far more invasive shit just to walk into a fucking store down the line. Complying with the masks was a test on public subservience to authoritarian power grabbing, and the test passed with fucking flying colors.

Or maybe that's my pessimism ranting off again and people will finally have enough of this garbage by next year...

 

[Vecr]

Air-conditioned rooms help spread COVID-19, research shows
https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/air-conditioned-rooms-help-spread-covid-19-research-shows/ (http://archive.vn/8ib65)




They want you to suffer and be miserable.

We have known this for decades, remember the aircraft air circulation thing? It does not matter to me anyway, I AC my own room with no one else in it.