"I don't think I have ever even SEEN an RPG group that wasn't at least 50% women (although I have seen several where that wasn't made clear for years)"
And those women? Albert R. Manstein.
"but one replacement every 8 months for 75 years? That's a pretty damn clear pattern. Maybe you'd have had more player retention if..."
Gygax didn't play D&D since the moment he was born and he didn't even live to be 75! According to wikipedia he was Jake's age when D&D was released.
There's also a very clear Jake vs. Jake where he claims that every week, for decades, he puts in as much as 40 hours playing with other people while at the same time never having anyone to play with.
He founded Gen Con when he was 29, in 1968, but it was for traditional tabletop wargames, specifically hexagon-based wargames. He founded TSR and released Chainmail in 1971, a crude early RPG that later developed into Dungeons & Dragons. Despite actually having normie jobs through most of the period before TSR became his full-time, he was pretty absorbed in major nerd shit. Unlike Jake, though, he actually had a social life centered around this stuff and managed to juggle it with a job and children.
It's always impressive to me the confidence and bravery with which Jake is wrong. I swear there's a pattern where the more definitively he states something the more bullshit it is.
Thank you Jake, excellent idea. We'll begin slow with some internal surveys done by general boardgame and tabletop game sites:
But let's be fair, Jake wasn't referring to just any board/tabletop games, he specified RPGs so maybe TTRPG focused forums skew more female than the general trend?
Ok well those are just the users of discussion forums, it's entirely possible that more women play the game but just don't visit the forums. For comparison let's check the site demographics of roll20.net and fantasygrounds.com, the main sites where people arrange and play online RPG groups.
" but if you prefer to stick with anecdotes" as Jake says, I once ran a game on roll20. DM's are always undersupplied relative to players, so when you put a game out for public play you get like 30 applications. No prizes for guessing how many were women. In fairness I play a legacy edition of D&D which is a lot less casual than the most recent editions, so it probably attracts less women. What's that Jake?
completely bonkers speculation about how if women ARE playing games they must not play the sort of real and very serious men play, but some matter of game that they can dismiss as in some way "not real" for which of course they can't even provide anecdotal data.
Gee okay, it's difficult to get the demographics of which TTRPG's women prefer specifically so maybe they are all super hardcore, you've really got me stumped th-PSYCH! Gencon registered GM demographics of those GM's with unambiguously male or female forenames projected by event type faggot!
And Jake's bigots knew all this without being able to cite it, I guess being bigoted makes you psychic or something.
It's like how troons are completely indistinguishable from real women even by gynecologists, or so they say, but yet they are in constant danger from Nazis, who alone among all people have the magical power to detect troons instantly.
Huge agree with you, however- additional criticism to Jake that of all the wigs he could get he chooses Party City, Halloween, throw away tier wigs lmao
Obviously, if we're referring to cleavage as only parts of the boobs that poke out the top that are squished together, then of course a bra, which lifts, will accentuate cleavage, and there would be less without one.
But if we're referring to the general visibility of breasts, the ENTIRETY of breasts, it's certainly possible that a low-cut top with no bra underneath it could reveal more of the breasts as a whole.
Of course, this is just an exercise for Jake to try to say he understands breasts better than cis men and natal women.
That's the whole point of the exercise.
Hey, Jake: Why don'tcha show us some of your Titty PHD by giving us a shot of your "voluptuous" bod in "the boobs dress", hmmm?
Which scenario provides more tarp(equity)?
A. You have one rolled up tarp and two mexicans.
B. The tarp is now covering the swimming pool and the mexicans went home.
Words and meaning went their separate ways years ago so who knows what 'cleavage' even means to him or what makes it 'more'. It can't be answered unless he clearly defines what every word in the question actually means to him.
"I don't think I have ever even SEEN an RPG group that wasn't at least 50% women (although I have seen several where that wasn't made clear for years)"
And those women? Albert R. Manstein.
"but one replacement every 8 months for 75 years? That's a pretty damn clear pattern. Maybe you'd have had more player retention if..."
Gygax didn't play D&D since the moment he was born and he didn't even live to be 75! According to wikipedia he was Jake's age when D&D was released.
There's also a very clear Jake vs. Jake where he claims that every week, for decades, he puts in as much as 40 hours playing with other people while at the same time never having anyone to play with.
Granted, the Gary Gygax quote of him having women in his group from the get-go is something he's said and that others like Old Geezer have verified. Most of the women were probably either hippie holdouts or cat ladies, but while Gygax was a turbo-nerd for the most part, he knew how to hide his power level when he needed to and to keep everything in balance. He worked several normie jobs before TSR got really big and he supported a wife and kids.
Jake may be a lot of things, but a modern-day Gary Gygax is not one of them.
I do know several actual women who play RPGs, but they are definitely the minority.
Troons in general need to realise that when they go on about how they like [stereotypical male hobby], it doesn’t actually come across as “This proves women like this!” as much as “This demonstrates I am male.” Sorry, Jake, outside of Twitter, nobody sees you as a woman.
And every time someone is showing up for the first session of a campign having read all available material on the setting, spent several hours researching the real world cultures that setting is based on, and practicing the appropriate accent for playing a character pulling together mechanical concepts from a dozen different splatbooks to make their aklys wielder or whatever viable, who they have also painted a full color illustration of, along with everyone else's character, that's a woman.
This whole idea of progressively more degenerate "pools" of Literal Nazis is funny coming from a guy whose social circle consists largely of troon furries. How many levels of "recruitment" do you have to go through to wind up like him? You probably have to burst through more of society's barrel-bottoms to become Jake than any dogpilled ER-worshipping incel ever did.
Granted, the Gary Gygax quote of him having women in his group from the get-go is something he's said and that others like Old Geezer have verified. Most of the women were probably either hippie holdouts or cat ladies, but while Gygax was a turbo-nerd for the most part, he knew how to hide his power level when he needed to and to keep everything in balance. He worked several normie jobs before TSR got really big and he supported a wife and kids.
He was married and hung out with other dudes who were also often married. Wargames at the time were a fairly expensive and esoteric hobby. So you'd have the wives of a lot of members of the group, as well as a small but significant number actually personally in the hobby. It wasn't a pursuit strictly for NEETs and neckbeards (or at least the neckbeards were fairly normal and not fedora tipping incels). Still there was the famous incident where Gygax's wife thought he was having an affair and went to confront him at a friend's house only to find them all in the basement around a table.
All stuff that will never, ever happen to Jake in a million years.
