U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[Salubrious]

Oh, I got a new one.

The second and third men shot HAD to apprehend the suspect because the police couldn't be trusted to do it themselves.

 

[Overly Serious]

Intelligence doesn't always correspond to pragmatism. A lot of SJW types are actually quite intelligent, perhaps to a fault. The problem is that they are so good at grasping abstract concepts that they lose their grip on reality.

I'd refine that if I may. There are intelligent progressives. What happens though is they just get better at supporting their biases and playing linguistic games to derail counter-arguments. Intelligence + Lack of Introspection - Willingness to Listen = Leftist.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I think it is awesome that the MSM is trying to paint Kyle as a Trump supporter because they are driving home the idea that only Trump supporters believe you have a right to defend yourself, especially since Kamala Harris says she wants the protests to continue well after the election in an interview with Stephen Colbert.

The MSM only think in one ideological direction. They're in a rather big echo chamber which has long closed off any dissenting voices unless it's to differ degrees of exactly how bad the orange man is.

The public, even if they never see a rioter anywhere near them are going to be very tired of riots very quickly, and the idea of continuing the chaos will be utterly abhorrent to any sensible person.

I'm literally having a debate with one of my friends (who isn't deranged) about whether or not the point of protesting is to get people on your side.

That's how far gone some of these people are.

Which is an interesting point to make. Most Peasent Revolts in England failed to fully acheive their aims because it brought to the elites attention something that needed fixing to enough of a degree to bleed away enough support from a full blown armed revolt. After a few of these, the elites in the UK generally know when the swerve out the way and compromise, this is especially seen at the ballot boxes these days, where parties will compromise positions more, or offer one, in order to secure victory. You can see this night and dayism between the Mayist and Johnsonian Tory Parties.

I finally realized the point of the polls.

I told my friend that public opinion of the riots are slowing changing people to the left and he said that Biden still has a huge margin (even though he acknowledged it could be bullshit).

So unless the polls absolutely have to, they probably won't start to show if Trump starts gaining momentum "officially."

Polls in the US are so badly skewed that certain outlets aren't even hiding they're using the same wonky sampling data, there's already the CNN image going about showing Biden has a 71% chance of winning the election, which is the exact same odds they gave Clinton at the same point just four years ago.

In the UK, the slapfight among pollsters and chasing "the crown" of a 1% margin of error to be declared King of the Polls is now a sport for the polling companies as it typically nets them prestige and more clients, who constantly tweak and alter their methodology to get the most accurate data set they can. I'm not seeing the same impetus from the US Networks, who commission these companies and others.

 

[madethistocomment]

Always with the fist.
Always the fist. Always violence. Nevermind the concept of social justice is actual Marxism.
Why not just admit it?

It matters not. No one cares about apehoop, groidball or any other simian infested sport.

Japanese and Korean baseball is fucking superior to apebat. Nascar is boring compared to Australian Supercars. Find alternatives and run these pavement apes out of town.

Australian rules football is fucking insane and infinitely more fun to watch than American football. I'm not even super into sports but I was having a blast while watching it. 10/10 would reccomend over the NFL.

 

[Freedom Fries]

Imagine how relieving it must be for Kyle to know he didn't just shoot 3 misguided individuals but instead 3 complete subhuman pieces of shit.

Wheeler's got a clear hateboner for Trump, but has he taken into account that what he did just helps Trump out?

Trump: "Shit looks like it's going sideways there. Can I send in some help?"
Wheeler "Fuck off and die, Drumpf!"
Trump: "See, everybody? I tried to help. I tried to stop the riots, but Wheeler literally wouldn't let me."

He has been backed into 2 plays really. Continue to refuse federal aid and either crack down with state and local police or not. Accept federal help but try to hamstring them as much as possible to "prove" that Trump can't end the riots. Honestly, I don't know why they haven't gone with this tactic at this point, maybe because at least a third of Americans are baying for blood.

You make it sound like people are secretly wishing that some leftist streams themselves shooting up some church or gathering of Trump supporters. The guy had a manifesto that talked of others taking up the fight against Muslim invaders to defend the West and his weapons had the names of terror victims and historical battles against Islamic forces. How much you wanna bet a left wing person is willing to write about replacing the Trump administration with a progressive utopia and painting their guns with the names of BLM champions?

There have certainly been attempts. There was that atheist who tried to do achurch shooting in Texas, that faggot who tried to shoot up and ICE facility who Antifa loves to say, "rest in power" about, and 1000s of anti-white hate crimes committed by blacks that will never make it into the news or actually be counted or charged as such (Coors shooting comes to mind as a major example that actually did make the news IIRC).

Because supporting the Police means you support the death of Blacks. It makes perfect sense, if you take the personal testimony of individual Blacks, and ignore any statistical evidence to the contrary, the personal lived experience is the apex of information, you cannot question it. That's what I mean by subjectivism. Ignore any statistics you ever read, and imagine the personal speeches are the absolute truth. Their stance seems perfectly reasonable.

The scientific method and empiricism are white supremacy remember. The Smithsonian or whoever said so

Thought a friend of mine was based but it turns out he's not. We started talking about the riots which devolved into an argument because he thinks they're just protests. Despite me showing him proof of all the fucked up shit that's happening(from this thread of course, bless you all for archiving all this shit) and how this shit is a riot he still thinks I'm wrong. They're just peaceful protesters in his eyes and it's the cops that are the baddies who are attacking poor, innocent people and setting places on fire. This just makes me view the dude as if he's a retard now since he believes the mainstream medias bullshit lies.

Always, always, always dog-whistle before speaking openly about this kind of stuff, and by speaking openly I don't mean going 1488. I mean pretty basic stuff. Otherwise, I'd say couch any disagreement as befuddled normie who saw some videos contradicting what the news said and ask incisive questions designed to create cognitive dissonance

A realization.

Kyle is the perfect representation of classic American values standing up against these little shits. A cherub faced white-latino youth who actually had a fucking job, idolizes the police and fire fighters, has trained in responsible gun ownership and use, who volunteered for his community after working all day, up to and including supporting Black Lives Matter (but not Black Lives Matter(TM)) and giving medical treatment to rioters.

Worse, he took out 3 of their fucking Antifa foot soldiers, and ALL THREE OF THEM are absolute dregs of human society. A convicted pedophile with documented anger management issues who initiated the conflict and is on film using a Gamer word without permission and trying to initiate conflict. A serial felon who has been accused of attempted rape. And a Jewish serial burglar who was openly trying to kill the kid after pretending to surrender.

But here's the thing that's really got them pissed.

Beyond just shattering the illusion for the right -- every single family in Wisconsin has a kid like Kyle or knows 10 of them in the neighborhood -- Kyle's actions probably shattered the illusion for the LEFT.

Before Kyle took out their boys, Antifa was playing as invincible revolutionaries. They're fighting the good fight and even if they don't really care about the stupid niggers or the hipster's Marxist Utopia, it was cool to get out and break shit. No one is allowed to fight back, people just have to fucking sit there and TAKE IT. RAWR. FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR SHIT!

Except now... people are dead. I mean, real people, not like that stupid druggy nigger. People like the goons in Antifa protesting on the street. THEIR PEOPLE are dead. It just got very very fucking real for some rioting thugs.

Kyle just reminded all of them that they're NOT, in fact, invincible revolutionaries, but are in fact very very squishy humans who are committing very, very serious crimes under the theory that the subverted DAs offices will let them do it. Turns out the DA can't just decide to not let you die from a gunshot wound to the heart or lung.

He shattered Antifa's internal illusions of invincibility. I would wager there are a LOT of Antifa leaders who are suddenly finding it hard to get the useful idiot thugs to go out and break shit. If this theory is correct things are gonna start getting quieter, and tactics will change -- Teddy's condo having a fucking music festival might be related. Yes, they're gonna want to suddenly pretend to be innocent widdle hippies now that everyone's paying attention, but I would wager they probably are having trouble getting their useful idiot thugs to come out and smash shit.

And that? That's probably got them fucking PISSED OFF.

Well there's also the fact that probably most of the vanguard of Antifa and BLM have made their way to DC or are maybe still in Kenosha now. A lot of Portland's worst instigators are elsewhere trying to make the riots look bigger and more popularly supported throughout the country and/or trying to put lipstick on what otherwise would be recognized as wanton Black looting.

the MSM is trying to paint Kyle as a Trump supporter

He most likely is. He was pictured at a Trump rally. Don't think this really affects anything though. Makes him much more sympathetic than some "boogaloo" faggot to me

I'm literally having a debate with one of my friends (who isn't deranged) about whether or not the point of protesting is to get people on your side.

That's how far gone some of these people are.

I'm of the opinion that protests and rallies have 5 main purposes:

1. Victory party
2. Fire up the base for political action and turnout
3. Provide the attendees chances to network to increase the efficacy of number 2
4. Provide political capital and/or cover to enact policy
5. Demoralize opposition (much more of a crap-shoot)

I'm sure they probably do convince some people, but I don't think they convince many. The other things seem much more directly related to me. It might be a tad different on the modern left when they can leverage perceived public opinion with the aid of the MSM and Fortune 500.

Once again agorism is the answer.

Another way is form your own clique, gang, cult, tribe, mutual aid group, whatever and get your people to focus on what immediately matters. If it does not involve food, shelter or immediate survival then it ought be discounted.

By doing so you erase the political allegiance of those in your group and make them loyal to your group.

I swear I have a half baked concept as a counter philosophy to all this shot but cant be bothered to formalize it.

Basically form your own tribe of 150 people and get them to focus on survival above all else. Bring up pronouns? How that going help in case of a collapse? Privelage? What good does such an abstract concept do concerning rent? So on and so on. By focusing on the micro, immediate and concrete you erase any bullshit with ease.


In fact try that as a debate tactic. Next time they bring up kenosha kyle ask them what the hell a gunman five states way have to do with your paycheck?

Keep asking and refferongto the cincrete necessities of life. How do pronouns keep my house warm during the winter?

I dont know Im just rambling ideas like a spergy tard. I just know from personal experience if you keep the discussion to the realm of the immediate and concrete you shut down their shit really quick. Do it right and you will see them break down and cry.

What would you say to someone who thinks this kind of mentality is why the right lost the culture war and has found itself in this position? It's kinda a soft acquiescence. When you cede ground, that ground is taken, fortified, and used against you. Mind you, I'm definitely not saying people should OD on redpills and then vomit them up on whoever is unfortunate to lend them an ear. It's important to meet people where they are.

Always with the fist.
Always the fist. Always violence. Nevermind the concept of social justice is actual Marxism.
Why not just admit it?

It matters not. No one cares about apehoop, groidball or any other simian infested sport.

Japanese and Korean baseball is fucking superior to apebat. Nascar is boring compared to Australian Supercars. Find alternatives and run these pavement apes out of town.

NHL was a real blow though. I was really hoping I could enjoy some of the Stanley Cup. Oh well, I'll do other stuff. American pro sports are just off the table, and that's probably a good thing.

Many firestations have ambulance and EMT''s attached, and most career firefighter halls require their members to be at minimum, 1 year experience as a paramedic. So Kyle the Kommander may very well have been much more qualified to render aid than any of the Antifa LARPers.

Anyone who took a BLS or First Aid class weekend certification class would be more qualified. I'm surprised they didn't try to apply a tourniquet to that pedo's forehead for the new crease he got there.

Phew sperging over

 

[TexOffender]

 

[Overly Serious]

What really gets me is the fact that "intersectionalism" is SO FUCKING CLOSE but just barely misses the mark. Concepts like power and privilege can be explored in the context of overlapping identities like race and gender. But they overlook the context in which these general principles apply. A black man has a great degree of power when discussing racial politics due to cognitive biases (ie. "He's black so he totally knows more about racism than whitey over there."). Position in society also provides benefits regardless of the aforementioned traits as well. This is something intersectionality is perfectly capable of studying, but doesn't.

Might as well say that a cannon is good at destroying things but question why is it never used to destroy itself.

Critical Theory is a tool. It has several purposes but none of them are to arrive at truth.

 

[DeadFish]

What would you say to someone who thinks this kind of mentality is why the right lost the culture war and has found itself in this position? It's kinda a soft acquiescence. When you cede ground, that ground is taken, fortified, and used against you. Mind you, I'm definitely not saying people should OD on redpills and then vomit them up on whoever is unfortunate to lend them an ear. It's important to meet people where they are

Ask me in dms or on my profile. Right now Im dealing with a lot of bitchy people in real life. I cant find my glasses and Im grumpy because of it. Plus my ideas are not coherent

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

You either know a statistically implausible number of Rain Man type figures or you really need to work on your ability to assess intelligence. I've never encountered a wokie I'd call anything approaching intelligent with rare exceptions for the severely mentally ill or the pure evil. I think I've only met maybe two of said exceptions ever.

It is more that I was involved with groups and actives in my past that people on the more intelligent side of the bell curve are more likely to partake in, and take leadership rolls in.

The one who didn't go crazy was a Fulbright scholar, the trans has a degree in math had was well verse in many things that are more intellectual in nature, the one who has all the mental illness before it really hit him, he again was on the better end of the bell curve, but he had a habit of going full blown in to things to the extreme (which turned out to be a sign of one of mental issues he has).

I am not saying these were all Mensa grade people but they fell well with in the "not a dumb ass and not a normie" level of intelligence.

 

[BillyGoat2]

but question why is it never used to destroy itself.

this is just my "ive been awake 24 hours" Autism showing, but up till ww2 at least, cannons and artilery had special shells for just this purpose

 

[Freedom Fries]

You either know a statistically implausible number of Rain Man type figures or you really need to work on your ability to assess intelligence. I've never encountered a wokie I'd call anything approaching intelligent with rare exceptions for the severely mentally ill or the pure evil. I think I've only met maybe two of said exceptions ever.

I think the university system has had a big impact on this. A lot of "intelligent" people are hyperfocused on their specific sub-area of academia and are more than happy to unthinkably parrot and agree with talking points that make their academic track much much easier, even to the detriment of the "research." It's a self-reinforcing cycle. Never underestimate the power of subconscious self-interest

 

[Cycleye]

I hope to god that things have turned a corner, for America. Maybe even globally. Maybe I am just clutching at straws, but Kombat Kyle the Kenosha Kid has done so much more than so many politicians , in the space of just a few minutes. Good americans needed that shining light and hopefully we will see more and more people give the finger to all these cunts , that are fucking shit up.

The Rittenhouse Effect is maybe what Kyle will be famous for? Who fucking knows.

It is extra gold that he got rid of two disgusting pieces of shit , and fucked up a third. I am not a cruel and nasty person , but i fucking hope that manlet pedo suffered. Suffered really hard and died very unhappy. What a peice of fucking shit.

It has brought even more attention to the fact that BLAntifa is full of felons and perverts. Has there yet been an arrest/death, of a good and honest /mentally healthy/not depraved protestor ? . There probably
has but the high profile ones are all scum and the black martyrs are no better. They are all literally the scum of the earth and hated by eveyone who is not like them.

edit to add: The more i read about Kyle the more makes me warm to him. He acts good and looks good. I can see him ending up being a kids doll like Action Man, except fucking REAL and really means something. BLAntifa have seen fuck all in the way of protesting and the power of good people if anything happens to him. Mark my fucking words.

 

[Overly Serious]

this is just my "ive been awake 24 hours" Autism showing, but up till ww2 at least, cannons and artilery had special shells for just this purpose

The analogy was just to convey that self-destruction is not a goal of Critical Theory. A scientific theory attempts to invalidate itself and is accepted when it fails. Critical Theory is not that and its practitioners do not turn it upon themselves.

EDIT: But I'm always happy to learn something about cannons, thank you.

 

[Kane Lives]

It is more that I was involved with groups and actives in my past that people on the more intelligent side of the bell curve are more likely to partake in, and take leadership rolls in.

The one who didn't go crazy was a Fulbright scholar, the trans has a degree in math had was well verse in many things that are more intellectual in nature, the one who has all the mental illness before it really hit him, he again was on the better end of the bell curve, but he had a habit of going full blown in to things to the extreme (which turned out to be a sign of one of mental issues he has).

I am not saying these were all Mensa grade people but they fell well with in the "not a dumb ass and not a normie" level of intelligence.

Anecdotal, but a number of the online company I keep are fairly similar. I have observed that the more intelligent someone is, the less likely they'd take to debate or being corrected kindly. Maybe it's a pride thing, or just a "I know better than you so shut the fuck up" attitude being intelligent spawns.

But of course, for every intelligent lefty I found, there's ten unironic dumbasses who parrot #ACAB and #BLM simply because twitter said so.

 

[Penis Drager]

The analogy was just to convey that self-destruction is not a goal of Critical Theory. A scientific theory attempts to invalidate itself and is accepted when it fails. Critical Theory is not that and its practitioners do not turn it upon themselves.

EDIT: But I'm always happy to learn something about cannons, thank you.

This is pretty much on point.
The obvious endgame for deconstructionism is the deconstruction of itself. Nobody in the field wants to do that, though because then the party's over.

 

[Freedom Fries]

this is just my "ive been awake 24 hours" Autism showing, but up till ww2 at least, cannons and artilery had special shells for just this purpose

I don't think @Overly Serious meant cannons in general by "itself" but rather that specific cannon, as in why isn't that specific cannon used to destroy itself and you better not make a post about cannons being spiked

 

[Evilronald]

Oh, I got a new one.

The second and third men shot HAD to apprehend the suspect because the police couldn't be trusted to do it themselves.

Rittenhouse committed no crime in the first shooting, and was fleeing. He also was no imminent threat to anyone. Every single time he shot anyone was in response to imminent danger to himself. While it’s unfortunate that Grosskreutz only was maimed, it might be a blessing as that piece of shit on the stand would be guaranteed to make the prosecution look awful protecting criminals.

 

[Borax Bozo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the actual Chapo podcasters leaned more dirtbag left; while they supported the general communist revolution, they thought that the ridiculous grievance identity stuff and riots were seriously counterproductive. Has that changed, or is Reddit just being its normal cesspool self

AFAIK the podcast subreddit is disliked by the podcasters themselves.

 

[Salubrious]

Rittenhouse committed no crime in the first shooting, and was fleeing. He also was no imminent threat to anyone. Every single time he shot anyone was in response to imminent danger to himself. While it’s unfortunate that Grosskreutz only was maimed, it might be a blessing as that piece of shit on the stand would be guaranteed to make the prosecution look awful protecting criminals.

People keep telling me to stop bringing up their criminal records because they're irrelevant and no reason to kill them.

Kyle also had no right to carry a gun and play hero.

 

[Freedom Fries]

I hope to god that things have turned a corner, for America. Maybe even globally. Maybe I am just clutching at straws, but Kombat Kyle the Kenosha Kid has done so much more than so many politicians , in the space of just a few minutes. Good americans needed that shining light and hopefully we will see more and more people give the finger to all these cunts , that are fucking shit up.

The Rittenhouse Effect is maybe what Kyle will be famous for? Who fucking knows.

It is extra gold that he got rid of two disgusting pieces of shit , and fucked up a third. I am not a cruel and nasty person , but i fucking hope that manlet pedo suffered. Suffered really hard and died very unhappy. What a peice of fucking shit.

It has brought even more attention to the fact that BLAntifa is full of felons and perverts. Has there yet been an arrest/death, of a good and honest /mentally healthy/not depraved protestor ? . There probably
has but the high profile ones are all scum and the black martyrs are no better. They are all literally the scum of the earth and hated by eveyone who is not like them.

Kyle becoming a major rallying point makes me feel very conflicted about the whole thing. I'm glad he did it no doubt, but generally I think it's a bad idea for tactical/political (not moral) reasons if it isn't your immediate neighborhood, your business, or same of a friend. That sort of goes out the window with him serving as a serious political victory.

I think I'm managing to change my mind into endorsing it wholesale now that I've seen evidence indicating that he works in Kenosha and was asked to help defend a business by the business owner there, but I still have reservations because almost nobody would have the combination of skill, "luck," innate talent to stay cool, and squeaky clean history he does. I certainly hope nobody takes it as license to play security guard when they haven't been asked to and don't belong.