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lipitor said:
I think if you asked Christian why he doesn't have a job he'd answer "But I do have a job, selling my art on eBay!". He just never got a real job, because his parents never made him and he got a :tugboat:. He's entirely apathetic to having a job, because of this. When his parents retired, so did he. I don't think he even pursued any jobs related to CADD, something he presumably had to have some interest in.
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Originally Chris was in marketing iirc. Probably with the idea of marketing his brilliant Sonichu to a grateful world. Then Bob forced him into CADD because it probably seemed like a marketable degree to the old fart. At the time Bob seems to have been under the impression that his twisted offspring was some kind of "Rain Man" type mental prodigy - or at least that's why he told people publicly and, well, we all know how that worked out.

lipitor said:
He'd hate that though, cuz he hates short bus people. I think they make him realize how not normal he is. He desperately wants people to look past his autism, and other mentally handicapped people show him how difficult that can be. In his mind he was mainstreamed so he be just like any other normal person. I heard rocky set him up with one of these tard jobs and he refused to go, no confirmation on that though.
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Yeah, that's very true. If he had to take the van or whatever he'd undoubtedly flip out at one of the 'windows to hell.' Fatty really only deploys his autism when he's in trouble or fishing for pity. Mainstreaming really screwed him. Wasn't Rocky's job somehow linked to the community service he never did? Or was that a different deal?
 
Marvin said:
I don't think Chris is committing fraud, but mental disabilities are a lot softer than physical disabilities. There's a lot more room to debate the specifics, and ultimately someone will need to make a judgement call. I'm guessing the SSA got a diagnosis of autism from a professional, had their guys look over it, and since autism can't really be cured, they approved Chris.
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They're very specific, and the objective evidence has to add up to a specific factual finding that the individual is unable to engage in substantial gainful activity, that is, is unable to hold down any full-time employment, specifically a 40 hour a week job that requires employees to show up reliably and reliably perform while there. There is a Listing of Impairments, and autism is on it, but to qualify as impaired to the point of disability on the basis of autism requires more than the diagnosis.

Rather than paste it, here's the list of specific findings necessary.

His specific impairment is in social interaction, and even the most menial job requires a degree of interaction.

Now, he's entirely physically capable of carrying out any number of physically repetitive tasks or even some that require a degree of intelligence, like creating those medallions. But he isn't capable of reliably interacting with others to the point that he would not be fired by any normal employer in the national economy.

He could, I suppose, luck into an employer who was remarkably tolerant, but he isn't expected to. He could also probably work in what is called a "structured workshop setting," basically designed for people like him, with a fair amount of micromanagement by someone whose job was specifically to keep people like him on task.

I do agree on your more central point, that Chris is not so disabled that he is not a moral actor and isn't responsible for his own actions.

I also think that he could be doing more to make money than he does without getting into trouble with the SSA, and probably should for his own sake.
 
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AnOminous said:
They're very specific, and the objective evidence has to add up to a specific factual finding that the individual is unable to engage in substantial gainful activity, that is, is unable to hold down any full-time employment, specifically a 40 hour a week job that requires employees to show up reliably and reliably perform while there. There is a Listing of Impairments, and autism is on it, but to qualify as impaired to the point of disability on the basis of autism requires more than the diagnosis.

Rather than paste it, here's the list of specific findings necessary.

His specific impairment is in social interaction, and even the most menial job requires a degree of interaction.

Now, he's entirely physically capable of carrying out any number of physically repetitive tasks or even some that require a degree of intelligence, like creating those medallions. But he isn't capable of reliably interacting with others to the point that he would not be fired by any normal employer in the national economy.

He could, I suppose, luck into an employer who was remarkably tolerant, but he isn't expected to. He could also probably work in what is called a "structured workshop setting," basically designed for people like him, with a fair amount of micromanagement by someone whose job was specifically to keep people like him on task.

I do agree on your more central point, that Chris is not so disabled that he is not a moral actor and isn't responsible for his own actions.

I also think that he could be doing more to make money than he does without getting into trouble with the SSA, and probably should for his own sake.
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I often bring up such a place in town for people like him to go as well. Not sure if Charlottesville has such an organization though.
 
lipitor said:
I think if you asked Christian why he doesn't have a job he'd answer "But I do have a job, selling my art on eBay!". He just never got a real job, because his parents never made him and he got a :tugboat:. He's entirely apathetic to having a job, because of this. When his parents retired, so did he. I don't think he even pursued any jobs related to CADD, something he presumably had to have some interest in.
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It's true that that's what he says. And I suppose, in a limited way, he is right. But his goal in constructing that response would be "I am in danger of being classified as a lazy, unemployed bum. What response can I give that best defends against that."

As @Marvin said, he is capable of holding a job. Basically, he chooses not to. Whether this is an active choice or a passive choice is probably a little debatable. But if his mindset changed, whether it be through Barb, an epiphany, losing his tugboat, or anything else, he is capable of working.

BillRiley said:
Originally Chris was in marketing iirc. Probably with the idea of marketing his brilliant Sonichu to a grateful world. Then Bob forced him into CADD because it probably seemed like a marketable degree to the old fart. At the time Bob seems to have been under the impression that his twisted offspring was some kind of "Rain Man" type mental prodigy - or at least that's why he told people publicly and, well, we all know how that worked out.
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I don't know. Bob thought Chris was a little better equipped than Chris actually was, for sure. But he was his father. Fathers tend to think their kids are neat. There is nothing wrong with that. And Bob had a much more realistic grasp on the situation than Barb or Chris did.

AnOminous said:
His specific impairment is in social interaction, and even the most menial job requires a degree of interaction.
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Chris is impaired at social interactions, and they are part of all jobs. But I don't think that prevents him from doing all jobs. There are social interactions he is capable of. The example that was cited was stocking shelves overnight. In order to do that, Chris would have to be able to take instructions from a supervisor and report any issues/concerns back to the supervisor. Chris' disability does not prevent him from doing those to a satisfactory level.

There are certainly some "low-skill" jobs that Chris probably couldn't handle. Anything that was primarily customer service might be a problem. He could tell someone that the pickles were in aisle 3 while stocking, but he might not be a great match for something like running a till.

I suppose it is fair to say that that is a real handicap for him on the job market. There is a subset of jobs that 99% of people could handle that Chris couldn't. But there are definitely jobs he could do.
 
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lipitor said:
I feel like the new one would be much better if he made videos. The cwciki has a page dedicated to all his dumb shirts. They don't even touch the outfits he wears now.
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Well his wardrobe has massively changed, and it seems that whatever wears he just mixes together, like a blouse or shirt with a hoodie or some other retarded shit. With the shirts, it was just a shirt with jeans, simple.

I'm sure my sentiment for old Chris is what at least a few others want, nothing like a 20-something year old autistic manchild screaming into a PSeye over an imposter. Better than paranoid, crazy current Chris Tran.
 
lipitor said:
I feel like the new one would be much better if he made videos. The cwciki has a page dedicated to all his dumb shirts. They don't even touch the outfits he wears now.
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The names of the shirts all sound like terrible cocktails at some hipster bar. "Yes, I'll have a Dirty Dashiki, and my friend would like a Burgundy Nightmare Redux."
 
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Is there an offline version of the cwcki or a good program to download the website? I think this would be great, because people can inadvertently back the cwcki up and read it on their laptop or something at work maybe.

Also, I've been watching the MCBans website, but Chris's account hasn't had any strikes yet. Does anyone know if he plays online?

EDIT: Also someone's impersonating Chris. http://sociopath-community.com/topic/2015-05-20/hello-20
 
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lipitor said:
I think if you asked Christian why he doesn't have a job he'd answer "But I do have a job, selling my art on eBay!". He just never got a real job, because his parents never made him and he got a :tugboat:. He's entirely apathetic to having a job, because of this. When his parents retired, so did he. I don't think he even pursued any jobs related to CADD, something he presumably had to have some interest in.
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could he even have gotten a job with the CADD degree? he'd some explaining to do about why it took him five years to earn a two year degree

lipitor said:
If chris worked less than 20 hours a week doing something easy like stocking shelves, opening boxes, cleaning up or anything thats just following instructions he could do it. Add in an attractive female boss who rewards his performance with encouragement, and it starts to seem pretty likely he could do it.
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oh, like Wendy's?
 
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what if chris went to the lego hotel and thought it was his lego high school and tried to sue them
http://www.incrediblethings.com/travel/competely-lego-themed-hotel-opens-legoland/
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Tayjelir said:
Is there an offline version of the cwcki or a good program to download the website?
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I've heard people using httrack for this type of thing, but I have no personal experience in it's use so you should probably read user comments online before downloading it. I can't vouch it to be trustworthy but it seems like based on the description it fits the bill of what you want it to do.
 
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I was considering making a thread for this but I think it would get locked for a myriad of reasons so I will just ask it here.

Has it been established that Chris/Christine does have legitimate gender issues? I think I read somewhere that @Marvin stated this was the case but there seems to be a decisive split on whether Chris/Christine truly is transgendered or if this is just a silly plot/trendy thing Chris is doing to increase his odds of getting a heartsweet. I really have no idea wtf Chris/Christine is thinking so maybe someone can clarify what the deal is other than the blanket statement of autism.

This has probably been discussed ad nauseum but I honestly do not remember a definitive answer to this.
 
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