2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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MidUSA said:
They're laying the groundwork for stealing the election through massive amount of mail voting fraud.

The scenario they paint is exactly how such a scenario would look. They want to get out the narrative in advance that it's merely a case of democrats using mail-in voting at a higher ratio (which admittedly is also true).
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How do you know for certain that Democrat voters use more mail-in voting than Republican voters? I assume there is anonymous voting in place in USA, like there is in almost all western countries, so how could we really know this? Is there some previous researched example of such happening in recorded election history?
 
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How do you know for certain that Democrat voters use more mail-in voting than Republican voters? I assume there is anonymous voting in place in USA, like there is in almost all western countries, so how could we really know this? Is there some previous researched example of such happening in recorded election history?
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I'm not sure for the upcoming election, should've been clearer that I was speculating.

But, people who vote democrat tend to overlap with those who believe Covid is about to eradicate the entire american population, that everyone should be confined to their houses for however many years it takes to develop a vaccine and we should all have to wear masks forever under penalty of death. Gop voters want society to start open up again.

So it stands to reason dem voters would be more inclined to seek alternatives to in-person voting.
 
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Sweet and Savoury said:
The Democrats are preparing the public for their coup. If they prep well enough when they declare Biden really won the election, after weeks of mail in ballots trickling in, they'll have a much better chance of pushing their win through the courts.
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Courts schmorts, the public won't accept it if the fraud is as blatant as it has to be this time around. If the dems think people will just go home quietly once a Judge says that yes, 2,000,000 ballots filled out with the exact, identical color of ink and identical machine-perfect checks on the boxes, with no means to verify their source have to be counted...... then they wanted Civil War all along...
 
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Bum Driller said:
How do you know for certain that Democrat voters use more mail-in voting than Republican voters? I assume there is anonymous voting in place in USA, like there is in almost all western countries, so how could we really know this? Is there some previous researched example of such happening in recorded election history?
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An article was posted either today or yesterday about a poll done of 17k+ voters and it showed that far more dems planned on using mail in ballots.
 
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Nancy Pelosi has given Trump so much ammunition this year it ain't even funny.

I guarantee the Trump campaign is working on an attack ad this very moment.
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This is, what I think is, the best case scenario for Trump. All the states he could possibly win. The blue states I'm extremely doubtful he could flip at all.

e: this is Trump maxing out. Baring an act of god, he's not going to win every state. Either in the country or even on the map below. And Trump might lose some of these states. But I think all the ones in red are in play as of the making of this post. The ones in blue I think are lost causes.
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This is, what I think is, the best case scenario for Trump. All the states he could possibly win. The blue states I'm extremely doubtful he could flip at all.
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You really think Oregon's that based?

But hey, if the nightmare scenario does occur, at least we can chart out which states will secede.
 
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tehpope said:
This is, what I think is, the best case scenario for Trump. All the states he could possibly win. The blue states I'm extremely doubtful he could flip at all.
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New Hampshire would flip red way before Oregon, Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada, Maine as a whole, and even Minnesota.

I think he should just focus on keeping the 2016 map and trying in Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Nevada.
 
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Not the presidential election itself, but the MA primary was tonight and results are coming in as of typing; considering we're one of the most solidly democrat states in the whole country, it could be portentious of how blue states as a whole turn out this time around. Personally, I voted for Shiva Ayyadurai (and another candidate, but saying who would seriously narrow down where I live).
 
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Something I see brought up a lot in favour of the Democrats in the election, are the results of the 2018 midterm election. Aside from the obvious that a lot has happened since then, which is putting it mildly to say the least, I'm not sure why people use this as an indicator for how the results of the presidential election may play out, where if anything, the results of both elections do not tend to align historically. Just from the Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election):
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The party of the incumbent president tends to lose ground during midterm elections: since World War II the President's party has lost an average of 26 seats in the House, and an average of four seats in the Senate.

Moreover, since direct public midterm elections were introduced, in only seven of those (under presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Donald Trump) has the President's party gained seats in the House or the Senate, and of those only two (1934, Franklin D. Roosevelt and 2002, George W. Bush) have seen the President's party gain seats in both houses.
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Only two of those six presidents (not counting Trump obviously) were not re-elected for a second term, and considering that those two were JFK and Nixon... the pattern doesn't really point to incumbents losing re-election after gaining seats in at least one house (which of course, Trump did in the senate). Maybe I'm missing something here (I recommend looking at the table in that Wikipedia article, if someone more statistically minded than I am wants to note something I haven't), but I'm just tired of the 2018 midterm election being brought up when historically, it hasn't been a reliable predictor, and the results were actually impressive for Trump when compared to previous presidents.

Right now, I'm not too worried about if Trump actually has enough real support to win the election (though that doesn't mean I'm complacent either, of course). Voter fraud is the biggest issue as has been noted in the past few pages, along with any major upsets happening in the next two months. Considering what's been happening in just the past three months, and how things only seem to accelerate, it's definitely a real worry.
 
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NH is definitely flippable, I expect it goes Trump. Polls are always useless there though and laughably D biased, so it's a guess.
 
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