2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[FunPosting101]

Nate Buckminsterfullerene deserves nothing more than scorn, so yes, I'm enjoying this alot too.

But also, what's with these "gotcha" articles lately? If Drumpf managed to slide off the last four years of slander, why would it work now?

I suspect, but cannot prove, that it's because Biden's internal polling is looking really bad and the DNC's allies in the media are throwing everything at the wall that is Trump in the hope that something sticks to him.

 

[BeboRefugee]

For the most part, I would say "yes".

The real question is: can Biden solidify the anti-Trump crowd into voting for him?

>Biden wins and the next day the DNC clamps down on any whiff of rioting
>Biden's return to normalcy mantra demands this. Orange Man is gone, the pawns need to go now
>Rioters know this, their only win condition is baiting Trump into overreacting, even if it takes many more months of agitation
>A vote for Biden is a vote to remove their permission slip to do crime
>Looters also see this political chaos as great cover for getting TVs and Gucci bags
>tfw Antifa and BLM have every incentive to secure a Trump victory

 

[break these cuffs]

>Biden wins and the next day the DNC clamps down on any whiff of rioting
>Biden's return to normalcy mantra demands this. Orange Man is gone, the pawns need to go now
>Rioters know this, their only win condition is baiting Trump into overreacting, even if it takes many more months of agitation
>A vote for Biden is a vote to remove their permission slip to do crime
>Looters also see this political chaos as great cover for getting TVs and Gucci bags
>tfw Antifa and BLM have every incentive to secure a Trump victory

The problem for the DNC in this is they've lost control of their progressive golem. Bernie gave the young and far left voter base a jolt in the arm to care about real world politics as intended, but then reminded them why they were checked out when he half-assed it and cucked himself, twice. The establishment DNC can get CNN to stop covering peaceful protests, but I don't think they can stop the rioters. They can't even control their own party as evidenced by AOC at the convention. Establishment Dems may be supporting the riots to own Blumpf, but genuine radicals and violent criminals are the foot soldiers. They aren't just going to go away because Biden wins. If anything, I see them getting emboldened because they're try to use the riots to force a confrontation between the progressive and establishment factions of the DNC. Then again, they can force the same thing if Biden loses because it's an establishment loss. That means they weren't radical enough. The fire is rising, but the DNC isn't in control of it at all.

 

[Parthenos]

>Biden wins and the next day the DNC clamps down on any whiff of rioting
>Biden's return to normalcy mantra demands this. Orange Man is gone, the pawns need to go now
>Rioters know this, their only win condition is baiting Trump into overreacting, even if it takes many more months of agitation
>A vote for Biden is a vote to remove their permission slip to do crime
>Looters also see this political chaos as great cover for getting TVs and Gucci bags
>tfw Antifa and BLM have every incentive to secure a Trump victory

I'm pretty sure the riots will clamp down after the elections no matter who wins, personally. They might sputter out on their own if people realize that Trump can now send the feds after them, because if anything qualifies for insurrection then trying to torch the White House after an election (or, in Democratic tradition, having thugs show up to the polls and try to intimidate voters). And the kicker is, since these people have been rioting for months already nobody will feel sympathetic for them.

It really is scary how desperate these people are to be martyrs for the cause though. Hopefully as more antifa leaders get v& we'll see less of this bullshit.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Why do liberals want to be lied to?

Someone once said to me that the public, by and large, doesn't want the truth. They just want to have their biases confirmed.

While that is a gross generalization, I think people on the left are so used to having the media cater to their beliefs (which they adopted at a young age by schools that push this stuff) that they can't handle anything that challenges those beliefs.

Its not that they want to be lied to. Its just that its easier to believe lies that cater to them than it is to accept truths that challenge them.

Conservatives are guilty of this as well, which is why I always encourage getting your news from more than one source and to doubt everything you see and hear, but its not something that comes naturally to people.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

The Thing is can Trump keep his 2016 voters while attracting new voters?

A small percentage have left Trump just because it's easy to hate him and media biases, but the main question for 2020 is how many new voters will there be. Some pollsters are predicting a massive gain from 128M to 150M+, some in the 180M range. If there's 20M+ new voters, Trump is fucked, and the mail-in ballot Dem conspiracy talk will be rampant.

 

[heyitsmike]

I'm pretty sure the riots will clamp down after the elections no matter who wins, personally. They might sputter out on their own if people realize that Trump can now send the feds after them, because if anything qualifies for insurrection then trying to torch the White House after an election (or, in Democratic tradition, having thugs show up to the polls and try to intimidate voters). And the kicker is, since these people have been rioting for months already nobody will feel sympathetic for them.

It really is scary how desperate these people are to be martyrs for the cause though. Hopefully as more antifa leaders get v& we'll see less of this bullshit.

They'll sputter out after the election if for no other reason than it'll be cold and snowy and they only want to play revolutionaries, not actually be revolutionaries.

There's a reason the original Summer of Love and this year's redux were in the summer and not the winter. CHAZ in June lasted three weeks. CHAZ in December would last three hours.

 

[BeboRefugee]

The problem for the DNC in this is they've lost control of their progressive golem. Bernie gave the young and far left voter base a jolt in the arm to care about real world politics as intended, but then reminded them why they were checked out when he half-assed it and cucked himself, twice. The establishment DNC can get CNN to stop covering peaceful protests, but I don't think they can stop the rioters. They can't even control their own party as evidenced by AOC at the convention. Establishment Dems may be supporting the riots to own Blumpf, but genuine radicals and violent criminals are the foot soldiers. They aren't just going to go away because Biden wins. If anything, I see them getting emboldened because they're try to use the riots to force a confrontation between the progressive and establishment factions of the DNC. Then again, they can force the same thing if Biden loses because it's an establishment loss. That means they weren't radical enough. The fire is rising, but the DNC isn't in control of it at all.

Whoever wins in November has carte blanche to go HAM on the rioters. Rubber bullets, mass arrests, you name it. Only difference is if Trump does this, you'll have hysterical journalists lamenting the rise of fascism. If Biden gets a dozen ''protestors'' killed they'll say it was harsh but necessary. The only mad people will be looters and antifa (who were never gonna be placated anyway) and maybe a couple confused soys that never thought actions had consequences.

I'm pretty sure the riots will clamp down after the elections no matter who wins, personally. They might sputter out on their own if people realize that Trump can now send the feds after them, because if anything qualifies for insurrection then trying to torch the White House after an election (or, in Democratic tradition, having thugs show up to the polls and try to intimidate voters). And the kicker is, since these people have been rioting for months already nobody will feel sympathetic for them.

It really is scary how desperate these people are to be martyrs for the cause though. Hopefully as more antifa leaders get v& we'll see less of this bullshit.

The sheltered college anarchists may be humbled. Y'know, the types that wouldn't have left the house to begin with only the mandatory masks emboldened them a bit. The dyed-in-the-wool ideologues though? They'd feel like fools not to go full Accelerationism. They've come this far, they're not just gonna go home.

The chronic criminal types like the ones Rittenhouse shot are also gonna come out to play, since the crowds are big enough to give them cover to act out their neurotic fantasies.
The trick is once there's a critical mass of bodies, all sorts of subversive elements want to get out there and wreck shit. The goal is always to overwhelm the police, and if Trump wins they're probably hoping for a 'finale', so to speak, with hundreds of thousands all over the country coming. A coalition of buttmad Biden copers, looters masquerading as victims, and anarcho-commies who think now's their chance to break the system, one starbucks window at a time. What could be better?

This doesn't have to be co-ordinated either. Look at the way these people speak on social media. Random screencaps from black people in Atlanta and Chicago and New York and Detroit should tell you enough.
They hear about the Blake shooting and then losers a thousand miles away talk about "Getting a crowd together to make noise"? That's a front. They don't really give a fuck. They saw Target getting ransacked in Minneapolis, and are looking for any excuse to do the same in their own cities. Biden winning there'd be 0 way to spin such lunacy, but a Trump win would embolden all these people nationwide, and the media would in all likelihood carry water for them

 

[RockPaper]

A small percentage have left Trump just because it's easy to hate him and media biases, but the main question for 2020 is how many new voters will there be. Some pollsters are predicting a massive gain from 128M to 150M+, some in the 180M range. If there's 20M+ new voters, Trump is fucked, and the mail-in ballot Dem conspiracy talk will be rampant.

A small uptick I could see, but no way do I buy an increase of that much.

 

[break these cuffs]

A small uptick I could see, but no way do I buy an increase of that much.

The modern average is like 8-10M per presidential election cycle for the past 20 years and it was 139M in 2016, not 128M. Obama only saw an 9M increase in '08 and '12 saw a 2M decrease. The outlier is Bush in '04 at 17M. 150M is in play and would be relatively normal for 2020. 180M is ludicrous and the people predicting is probably have some sort of hallucinogenic in their farts.

 

[JohnDoe]

180M is ludicrous and the people predicting is probably have some sort of hallucinogenic in their farts.

They are just trying to set the groundwork to make excuses for 'finding' 150 million mail-in Biden ballots on November 6th.

 

[Polyboros2]

For the most part, I would say "yes".

The real question is: can Biden solidify the anti-Trump crowd into voting for him?

I think it's more of, can Biden pull over enough people who voted Trump to make up for his loss in votes due to apathy/having a cop on ticket.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

IMO, the biggest potential roadblocks is possible widespread violence (encouraged by Antifa and their Democrats handlers), and any potential economic downturn in the fall. Coronavirus might be an issue, but only if some insurmountable huge second wave appears and the country is forcibly locked down again.

Implying they even need a "second wave" to shut the entire country down again. So much of the population has been completely brainwashed from the "new normal" shit at this point that they can all too easily just make up a story about an explosion of cases (far too many as it is consistently believe they are "getting worse" despite all the evidence pointing to plummeting numbers, both confirmed cases and deaths) to facilitate Lockdown 2 and everyone will just go along with it like they already have for this entire fucking nightmare of a year.

 

[tehpope]

Implying they even need a "second wave" to shut the entire country down again. So much of the population has been completely brainwashed from the "new normal" shit at this point that they can all too easily just make up a story about an explosion of cases (far too many as it is consistently believe they are "getting worse" despite all the evidence pointing to plummeting numbers, both confirmed cases and deaths) to facilitate Lockdown 2 and everyone will just go along with it like they already have for this entire fucking nightmare of a year.

A lot of people are probably voting Trump to end this covid bullshit. If Biden wins and tries to keep the lockdowns going, more riots will happen. Probably because people want to go back to 2019 and live their lives like normal. Trump will most likely end this bullshit once he's back in office.

I can see another wave of rona happening since we're nearing the flu season and TPTB have no problems issuing every death as covid related even if they had no symptons.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Someone once said to me that the public, by and large, doesn't want the truth. They just want to have their biases confirmed.

While that is a gross generalization, I think people on the left are so used to having the media cater to their beliefs (which they adopted at a young age by schools that push this stuff) that they can't handle anything that challenges those beliefs.

Its not that they want to be lied to. Its just that its easier to believe lies that cater to them than it is to accept truths that challenge them.

Conservatives are guilty of this as well, which is why I always encourage getting your news from more than one source and to doubt everything you see and hear, but its not something that comes naturally to people.

I think it is also a trust in media after years of them going after big targets. This is why they listen to something like CNN but will tout Fox news around as faulty. CNN built up trust in covering Bush and Obama, so now they have a die-hard audience they can shovel anything to, just like Boomers will take Fox News as the gospel.

This also applies to media too. Give SJWs credit, they went after the right targets. In taking over the 80s content for their political revolution, they now have the people who could not move on on a leash. While Star Wars may be failing, they still have an audience willing to clap and say the last 3 movies were masterpieces because it was not Lucas. They let these people talk down to them because they give them the nostalgia high.
There is also something to be said about the Dems pick of Biden. While Bernie was overall more popular, the fact is, Biden is great for Obama nostalgia points.

I think the final factor I can bring up is the flow of information and differences in experience. I know people who are getting to be extreme TDS and a big part is that they truly believe Trump has ruined America and all current issues are due to him. These people were not online for the Gamer Gate build ups, or the rise of BLM. They just watch tv and since tv let these groups go under the radar till Trump, many believe him to be the catalyst of chaos and actually side with these violent groups. It is one of those situations where they are essentially living a fantasy land where Obama’s two terms were nearly perfect and they want to go back, not realizing that nothing will change in doing so. It is the false sense of “normalcy” Biden is pushing, and it does seem to work on people.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Cross-posting from the TDS thread, with a slightly different focus. Today, there were 4 huge Trump boat parades: NJ, KY, MN, and TX. This goes back to the question of voter enthusiasm, since he previously had huge boat parades back in July and August too.

A follow-up, because the Magic Clickbait Algorithms have apparently decided I'm super interested in boats and boat parades now.

Turns out there wasn't just the 4 boat parades on Saturday, I missed ones in CA, OH, NC, VA, FL, MD, and TN. I can't find links to all them, just mentions like this because they got buried by the news of the TX one having some boats sink.

Then on Sunday, there was also parades in on the Potomac, and one in Georgia. And that GA one was massive.

Organizers Expected 700 Boats at Inaugural Trump Boat Parade on Lake Lanier — 4,000 Show Up
Organizers anticipated roughly 700 boats would participate in the inaugural “Great American Boat Parade” Sunday on Lake Lanier, however, the Georgia Department of Natural Resources says nearly 4,000 showed up.

Ga. DNR Game Warden Kevin Goss said that number is a rough estimate, and includes spectator boats, but they would have a more exact number after looking at aerial images.

The Facebook event page alone claims 2000 attended, so that 4000 number seems plausible.

It's wild that Trump has traded the 2016 mega rallies for a bunch of grassroots-organized boat parades 4 years later.

 

[Parthenos]

A follow-up, because the Magic Clickbait Algorithms have apparently decided I'm super interested in boats and boat parades now.

Turns out there wasn't just the 4 boat parades on Saturday, I missed ones in CA, OH, NC, VA, FL, MD, and TN. I can't find links to all them, just mentions like this because they got buried by the news of the TX one having some boats sink.

Then on Sunday, there was also parades in on the Potomac, and one in Georgia. And that GA one was massive.

The Facebook event page alone claims 2000 attended, so that 4000 number seems plausible.

It's wild that Trump has traded the 2016 mega rallies for a bunch of grassroots-organized boat parades 4 years later.

What's even wilder is that it proves that Trump voters will go through literal high water to show their support. They'll probably go through hell too.

But, predictably, all Democrats can take out of events like this is snarky soothsaying things like "hehe boat sink just like Trump" instead of paying attention that people with enough money to own and maintain one or more boats will also probably be contributing substantial amounts to the Trump campaign. That, and boat ownership isn't really a "working class" thing, further disproving the mythology of stupid poor people being Trump voters.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

There is also something to be said about the Dems pick of Biden. While Bernie was overall more popular, the fact is, Biden is great for Obama nostalgia points.

Issue is Biden seems to have aged horrible enough already never mind another few years.

I don't know personally neither side seems to be as enthusiastic about this election compared to the 2016 one.

 

[Shroom King]

But the magical jogger (who was torturing people to death by putting gasoline soaked tires around their necks and setting them on fire) can't be criticized -- he's a magical jogger! How DARE Trump? Doesn't he know non-whites are beyond reproach?

His wife a has quote that goes something like "With our lighters and our necklaces, we will set our country free". She was extremely ruthless from what they say. There were a couple terrorist groups who worked with the Mandelas. One was under the wife's control.

Ignorant people think Mandela was sentenced to life in prison because of those DANG DIRTY RACISTS in apartheid-era South Africa. He was put in prison because he was a fucking terrorist.

Imagine having your mind so filled with white guilt that you think Trump shit-talking a convicted terrorist is some sort of GOTCHA moment.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Issue is Biden seems to have aged horrible enough already never mind another few years.

I don't know personally neither side seems to be as enthusiastic about this election compared to the 2016 one.

The republicans still seem enthusiastic. This is their ultimate stand, their chance to prove Trump is not a fluke. There is a lot to be said about the implications of the establishment and protestors if Donald destroys them one again.