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(Coastal) Georgia: Literally no fucks are being given with the masks. Maybe 10-25% of people in the grocery store are wearing them, most of them either old (good) or college age (lol sheep). I went into the liquor store and I was the only person wearing a "mask" (re:bandana), and even then it was only because any other time I would have the cops called on me for walking into a liquor store dressed a bandito. Drove by a waterfront bar & grill and it was packed full of patrons (outside & inside), of some maybe 40+ people only 3 were wearing masks from a quick count.

Still no piles of corpses in the streets or total death like was promised umpteen many weeks ago when governor Kemp gave the order to reopen. Have a friend who works at a local hospital and she said her work schedule has returned to normal after being furloughed/hours cut at the height of the pandemic.

North Florida: People are complacently going through the motions. Jacksonville has a mask mandate, but most people rip the things off as soon as they walk outside. The real measure of who is buying into it is who keeps wearing their mask outside to walk around.
Nobody, not even a cop who got called for a noise complaint, were wearing masks at the pool.

This of course, could be a biased sample as the COVID = MEGA DOOM people might still be cowering in their pods, oblivious to the fact sunlight & vitamin D help fight the virus.
But I really hope to see this sentiment reflected on election day.
 
Why are we buying Gilead Sciences’ treatment when it doesn’t work?

Gilead's really good at cooking their clinical studies, and I'm not the one making decisions on a political level.

Our death rate from COVID-19 hospitalizations has gone down significantly since we've learned more about it. Now, let's assume you're a doctor working for Gilead and you know that remdesivir doesn't work. What you're going to do is treat patients using current standards while giving them remdesivir and then comparing it to mortality rates seen in NYC. Which is...probably what they did.

HCQ is likely effective very early. Like within two days after developing symptoms. We'd have to do that outpatient and due to defensive medicine we'd need to give every patient an EKG first to check for LQTS. That's not really going to happen, unfortunately. Average COVID-19 patient that comes to the hospital has had symptoms for seven days and it's too late then.
 
tfw I was wrong and the libertarians were right. This was never going to be three weeks to flatten the curve or whatever for hospital capacity. I was shit-scared of the coof and had too much faith in the government. Won't be happening again.

I never cease to be amazed as how aggressively literally everything will be politicized. The fucking vaccine? Jesus Christ. Don't get me wrong, I won't be taking the first round of any vaccine made for this, because everyone is focused on getting this out quickly so I don't trust how they'll weigh safety vs speed. But it's got nothing to do with who's in fucking office at the time it comes out.

This seems like such a retarded game for the democrats to play, but then again they are the very best at being aggressively fucking retarded.
 
Average COVID-19 patient that comes to the hospital has had symptoms for seven days and it's too late then.

COVID-19 infections appear to be characterized by immune under-response followed by over-response. By the 7th day of symptoms, most of the viral load is already gone. For antivirals to have any hope of working, prompt treatment is a must. People need to be encouraged to take Vitamin D and seek antivirals at the first hint of symptoms, because they really have no idea if their case will end up being mild or severe at that point.


The vascular endothelium provides the crucial interface between the blood compartment and tissues, and displays a series of remarkable properties that normally maintain homeostasis. This tightly regulated palette of functions includes control of haemostasis, fibrinolysis, vasomotion, inflammation, oxidative stress, vascular permeability, and structure. While these functions participate in the moment-to-moment regulation of the circulation and coordinate many host defence mechanisms, they can also contribute to disease when their usually homeostatic and defensive functions over-reach and turn against the host. SARS-CoV-2, the aetiological agent of COVID-19, causes the current pandemic. It produces protean manifestations ranging from head to toe, wreaking seemingly indiscriminate havoc on multiple organ systems including the lungs, heart, brain, kidney, and vasculature. This essay explores the hypothesis that COVID-19, particularly in the later complicated stages, represents an endothelial disease. Cytokines, protein pro-inflammatory mediators, serve as key danger signals that shift endothelial functions from the homeostatic into the defensive mode. The endgame of COVID-19 usually involves a cytokine storm, a phlogistic phenomenon fed by well-understood positive feedback loops that govern cytokine production and overwhelm counter-regulatory mechanisms. The concept of COVID-19 as an endothelial disease provides a unifying pathophysiological picture of this raging infection, and also provides a framework for a rational treatment strategy at a time when we possess an indeed modest evidence base to guide our therapeutic attempts to confront this novel pandemic.

Under normal conditions, the endothelial cells promote tonic vasodilatation through the well-known mechanism of production of the vasodilatory gas nitric oxide from L-arginine via the activity of endothelial nitric oxide synthase.17 The endothelial cell can also elaborate diverse hyperpolarizing factors that promote relaxation of smooth muscle and hence dilatation of muscular arteries. As noted above, the normal endothelial cells also secrete PGI2 that, in addition to its antiaggregatory effects on platelets, potently vasodilates.18 This array of vasodilatory actions can also modulate moment-to-moment local blood flow in a paracrine fashion. Numerous mechanisms can interfere with endothelial-dependent vasodilatation. These mechanisms range from impaired nitric oxide synthase expression19and/or activity to inactivation of nitric oxide or its conversion to highly pro-oxidant compounds by encountering pro-oxidant species such as superoxide anion, yielding the potent pro-oxidant peroxynitrate.20,21Moreover, the endothelial cell can produce one of the most potent vasoconstrictors known, endothelin-1, in response to angiotensin II, thrombin, or oxidized LDL.22,23 While key in maintaining normal vascular homeostasis, during disease the salutary endothelium’s functions can give way to inappropriate vasoconstriction contributing to tissue ischaemia.

Why does Vitamin D seem to lower mortality? Why are African-Americans so strongly affected by COVID-19 due to their cholecalciferol and L-arginine deficiencies? Same reason. In addition to the massive release of bradykinin and cytokines, COVID-19’s disease process involves the NO/ONOO— cycle.


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Probably the most important part of the cycle is what I have called the central couplet, the reciprocal relationship between elevated peroxynitrite (abbreviated PRN) and the depletion of a compound called tetrahydrobiopterin (BH4) (see Figure 1 center to below center). Peroxynitrite oxidizes BH4 at physiologically relevant concentrations leading to a BH4 depletion.9-11 BH4 is a cofactor in nitric oxide synthases, such that when these NOSs are missing BH4, they become uncoupled, producing superoxide in place of nitric oxide. In partial uncoupling, this superoxide can react in turn with the nitric oxide produced by adjacent coupled enzymes, leading to more peroxynitrite. Because the reaction between superoxide and nitric oxide is extraordinarily rapid, what is called diffusion controlled, the production of both molecules by adjacent enzymes may be particularly effective in raising peroxynitrite levels. Thus, although this partial uncoupling lowers nitric oxide production, it is expected to increase peroxynitrite production, the most central part of the wider NO/ONOO− cycle.1-3,11

The superoxide produced by such partial uncoupling has a special role, then, in producing peroxynitrite. It should be noted that the production of superoxide remote from the production of nitric oxide will be much less effective in raising peroxynitrite levels because there are high amounts of superoxide dismutase in cells and extracellular fluid, which destroys most of the superoxide before it travels very far from its site of synthesis.

The importance of this reciprocal relationship between peroxynitrite elevation and BH4 depletion, what we are calling the central couplet, has also been proposed by Foxton et al. in the context of its role in neurodegenerative diseases – diseases that are also proposed to be consequences of the action of the NO/ONOO− cycle.1,11,12

I have a hunch that apocynin might be effective at treating this.



Apocynin is acetovanillone and it’s structurally related to vanillin, from the vanilla plant. It behaves like an inhibitor of NADPH oxidase, increasing nitric oxide and reducing peroxynitrite formation.

 
I check the numbers for my country every single day. Up here, in Leafland, we hit zero deaths nationwide on Sept. 4. The past couple days, we had approx. two COVID deaths a day. Frankly, I think hitting that zero a few days ago should be cause for celebration, but I haven't heard a single person mention it; I had to find the numbers for myself. The national average for COVID deaths here, has been hovering at about five a day for the past couple months, yet, if you open social media, all people can talk about is the increasing number of cases, and more doomer fearmongering. It's like they love being afraid, and love living in fear, despite those fears not matching reality
 
Big Pharma created the opioid epidemic to make more money. They barely got a slap on the wrist for it despite harming millions of people and causing billions on economic damage. And that's the most evil and damaging shit they've done. Pushing troon culture to teens to sell banned hormone medications, making sure ADHD and autism is overdiagnosed and putting kids on all sorts of drugs, there is literally nothing too far for these people and at worst they get a slap on the wrist for their crimes.
tfw I was wrong and the libertarians were right. This was never going to be three weeks to flatten the curve or whatever for hospital capacity. I was shit-scared of the coof and had too much faith in the government. Won't be happening again.

I never cease to be amazed as how aggressively literally everything will be politicized. The fucking vaccine? Jesus Christ. Don't get me wrong, I won't be taking the first round of any vaccine made for this, because everyone is focused on getting this out quickly so I don't trust how they'll weigh safety vs speed. But it's got nothing to do with who's in fucking office at the time it comes out.

This seems like such a retarded game for the democrats to play, but then again they are the very best at being aggressively fucking retarded.
The scary part is how much they're pushing the flu shot when people who had gotten the flu shot were more susceptible to Corona.

No vaccine is "safe", and I believe they exaggerate the benefits and downplay the risks. It's weird to me that it's a faith based argument to take vaccines, and not rigorous and transparent risk/benefit testing of each and every vaccine.
 
The scary part is how much they're pushing the flu shot when people who had gotten the flu shot were more susceptible to Corona.

No vaccine is "safe", and I believe they exaggerate the benefits and downplay the risks. It's weird to me that it's a faith based argument to take vaccines, and not rigorous and transparent risk/benefit testing of each and every vaccine.

All of them? The childhood vaccines generally administered are really very safe, almost all of them use dead virus and things like that. They even removed the mercury based preservative because people were getting mad about it, making them less effective if they are not stored correctly.
 
I check the numbers for my country every single day. Up here, in Leafland, we hit zero deaths nationwide on Sept. 4. The past couple days, we had approx. two COVID deaths a day. Frankly, I think hitting that zero a few days ago should be cause for celebration, but I haven't heard a single person mention it; I had to find the numbers for myself. The national average for COVID deaths here, has been hovering at about five a day for the past couple months, yet, if you open social media, all people can talk about is the increasing number of cases, and more doomer fearmongering. It's like they love being afraid, and love living in fear, despite those fears not matching reality
Lol, it's not like they care about deaths, hospitalizations, cases per capita tested, etc. Just pure case numbers because those can be fucked with.

Here in MI I've heard people say "oh, the cases are coming back!" Every week, for months. I checks deaths and hospitalizations....still flatlining.
 
I'm quite depressed to find that so many of my friends and family seem fully on board with "the new normal" and are not the least bit concerned about this going on forever.
I went mushroom hunting with my best friend who I hadn't seen in months and she kept her mask on the whole time and it just really bummed me out that we couldn't even fuck off to the woods in the middle of nowhere without this COVID shit following us around.

What's most infuriating is that, unlike the rest of 2020's shenanigans, you simply can't escape the "new normal" bullshit even for a single minute. Regular politics, BLM, the riots, international (aka China) fuckery, all of that's relatively easy to tune out (at least in my case). But not this new quarantine lockdown world order crap. Doesn't matter where you are, what you do, where you look, they have made absol-fucking-lutely sure that this propaganda has, pun intended, infected every single goddamn facet of life.

I genuinely have not felt this consistently angry and irritated in my life based on the simple fact that you can't escape from the insanity. And I'm sure that's exactly what they want, to drive us all to fucking madness.

Great minds think alike. I'm considering making a Deep Thoughts thread about my concerns with "the new normal", how the COVID-19 response has been burned into our collective minds since the past few months, and how everyone is just kind of okay with living this way. I haven't gotten laid or even gotten a handjob in aeons since the pandemic, but I still use dating apps like Tinder to see what's on the market: about 2/3 of girls on that app wear face masks in most of their photos (including their main image) and have cringey shit like "quarantine & chill" or "let's have a Zoom date" in their bios. Not to mention how the media tries to normalize this by making it seem like we're going to do this forever, so just cope with it.

Went to a store today, and their paper bags have "We :feels: 6' apart." written on the sides of them.

Fucking gag me, as if the condescending commercials and advertisements weren't bad enough, now this bullshit too?

I went to Whole Foods the other day, and saw that they actually have arrows on the floor to mandate everyone walk in one direction. I'm not making this shit up...apparently walking in one direction and designating the aisles as one-way will somehow stop the spread of a fucking virus. Granted, none of the employees or security guards were enforcing it, but there was something that made me cringe in shame when I walked into the frozen foods section to get some overpriced Hot Pockets and saw a huge stop sign sticker on the floor saying "STOP: please enter from the other end of the aisle." What really broke my heart was seeing a rack of children's facemasks printed with fun and wacky designs; I couldn't imagine being a small child amidst this chaos, being taken away from friends, missing out on an entire summer vacation, and being forced to cover your mouth and nose at all times because mommy says CNN and Twitter say so. I lived in a shitty neighborhood as a kid and I had my share of awful summer vacations, but I feel like a Saudi prince compared what today's kids must be going through. At least I was allowed to ride bikes and skateboard with my buddies without covering up my face.

I also see people jogging or riding bikes with facemasks on (seriously, WTF?), and when cars pass by I see the drivers wearing a fucking mask...even if they're driving by themselves! Look, I understand the extreme precautions back in March when everyone thought the Chink Virus was Ebola-AIDS³, but once a million or so colored folk gathered in huge crowds to Burn Loot Murder, I'm pretty damn sure that was good enough proof that that this social distancing thing is bullshit.

Do you guys think we'll ever get any real information about how effective the cloth masks actually are? It's crazy how taboo it is to be even remotely skeptical about whether or not they actually do fuck all. Like, for someone who is genuinely concerned about getting sick, wouldn't you want to know if it actually helps?

This is the part that really irks me. Like, we're just supposed to accept everything as fact and not ask questions lest we get labeled as "conspiritards!". One minute the mainstream media paints Trump as a fascist dictator whose voters are all science-denying sheep who follow their God Emperor unconditionally...but as soon as we question any motives or validity of lockdowns and facemasks we're screeched at as being traitors like Arab-Americans after 9/11. Being able to defend the president while simultaneously question suspicious new policies of the federal government aren't mutually exclusive.
 
I'm trying to focus on cultivating the perfect home while looking for another one in an even more conservative state. As much as I love my home, my things, the beings inside, it's become a bunker. It can't be anything else right now.
I'm seeing a lot of people doing this recently. Just people hitting their fuckit limit and accelerating their plans to buy homes, etc.
I'm considering making a Deep Thoughts thread about my concerns with "the new normal",
Invite me.
What really broke my heart was seeing a rack of children's facemasks printed with fun and wacky designs; I couldn't imagine being a small child amidst this chaos, being taken away from friends, missing out on an entire summer vacation, and being forced to cover your mouth and nose at all times because mommy says CNN and Twitter say so.
They have these at my local stores too. I also saw a little kid in a cart wearing one who was trying to get his mother's attention but she couldn't hear him from where she was (she'd walked away from the cart to get something) because of the mask. Fucked me up.
 
Great minds think alike. I'm considering making a Deep Thoughts thread about my concerns with "the new normal", how the COVID-19 response has been burned into our collective minds since the past few months, and how everyone is just kind of okay with living this way. I haven't gotten laid or even gotten a handjob in aeons since the pandemic, but I still use dating apps like Tinder to see what's on the market: about 2/3 of girls on that app wear face masks in most of their photos (including their main image) and have cringey shit like "quarantine & chill" or "let's have a Zoom date" in their bios. Not to mention how the media tries to normalize this by making it seem like we're going to do this forever, so just cope with it.
By all means do it. Was already considering making one myself in regards to the potential of "new normal" sticking and society as we know it being trapped indefinitely, but you'll probably articulate the point more effectively since I'm too enraged to discuss this issue anymore without going full sailor mouth mode.
 
If someone's saying they already think you're Hitler's evil twin there isn't much reason to try and avoid doing more stuff they disapprove of. Not like it can really get worse from there so why give a crap about them?

It's not really the best argument to make if you actually want to change what someone is doing.
 

Coronavirus hospital admissions inflated at height of pandemic
Analysis for Sage concludes people were being counted as Covid-19 admissions if they had ever had the disease

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Sarah Knapton,
SCIENCE EDITOR
21 August 2020 • 7:18am

Hospital admissions for Covid-19 were over-reported at the peak of the pandemic, with patients who were taken in for other illnesses being included in outbreak statistics, it has emerged.

An investigation for the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) found that people were being counted as Covid hospital admissions if they had ever had the virus, and were added to those being admitted directly due to it.

Government figures show that, at the peak of the pandemic in early April, nearly 20,000 people a week were being admitted to hospital with coronavirus (see graph below), but the true figure is unknown because of the problem with over-counting.

The oversight echoes recent problems with the data for Covid-19 deaths, in which it emerged that thousands of people who died of other causes were being included in coronavirus statistics if they had once tested positive.

Professor Graham Medley, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, asked by Sage to look into the situation, told The Telegraph: "By June, it was becoming clear that people were being admitted to hospital for non-Covid reasons who had tested positive many weeks before.

"Consequently, the NHS revised its situation report to accommodate this."

The investigation led to a readjustment of how the figures were compiled at the beginning of July.

On Thursday night, experts warned that the miscalculation was particularly concerning because the number had been used to reflect the current state of the virus epidemic.

Professor Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: "The admissions data is a crucial point. I'd say it is more important than the death data because it is the best marker of the impact of the disease."

The issue came to light on June 18, when Sage minutes record that Government scientists registered concern that non-Covid patients were being included in the outbreak data.

Public Health England, the NHS Medical Director and Prof Medley were asked to convene a group to find the "ground truth". Prof Medley said: "With any epidemic of a new disease, there is always a period during which the clinical manifestation of the disease is being developed.

"The initial aim is to be as complete as possible, even though there will be overestimation.

"So, we saw with the death statistics, that initially a 'Covid death' was defined as any death in which the person had previously tested positive.

"The same is true, but even more so, for hospital admissions. In order to capture all the potential manifestations of the disease at the start of the epidemic, all admissions of people who had tested positive were counted as 'Covid-related admissions'."

From July 1, the NHS began counting virus admissions as those who tested positive within a short period of entering hospital, and NHS England said there had not been a significant difference in the admissions trend line since the change. However, it is unclear how many people were misclassified as Covid-19 patients before July 1.

The over-count may have included patients admitted with an unrelated ailment but who tested positive for coronavirus on arrival, or who had previously been diagnosed with the virus. It may also include patients who were tested while already in hospital for a different condition.

Experts said knowing the correct admissions figures was crucial, not only for determining how many people are really being hospitalised with the virus but also for working out death rates. The table below shows how UK death rates compared with the rest of the world.

Prof Heneghan added: "If admissions are going up, then that should drive the lockdown. But currently you have people with active infections, those who have tested positive but have been discharged, and those who have contracted it in hospital, so it isn't helpful.

"This really does need sorting out as we go into the winter, otherwise we get into this noisy position where we can't understand what's going on. There will be loads of people coming in with different conditions who have survived this, so it's a huge problem. It's clouding our judgment as to whether the disease is having a significant impact."

There are also wide discrepancies between NHS England admissions data and that reported daily by the Government.

For example, on April 8, around the peak of the virus, NHS data suggests there were 480 admissions with Covid-19 and a further 2,264 people diagnosed with the virus in hospital – a total of 2,758. However the Government's figures suggest there were 2,340 overall admissions.

For March, NHS England recorded 15,810 admissions, while the Government recorded more than 20,000. Even as recently as August 9, the NHS recorded 33 admissions with Covid-19 and a further 40 diagnosis in hospital – a total of 73. Yet Government figures record 50 patients overall.

It is also still unclear how many people included in current admissions data are asymptomatic and were tested when in hospital for a different condition, or who had caught the disease once they were in hospital.

Prof Heneghan said it was possible that in hotspot areas, such as Oldham (see video below), there was now nobody in hospital with an active infection, but it was impossible to tell from the way the data was being recorded.

"The key, to me, is the admissions data," he said. "You could have 1,000 people with the infection, but if you have no admissions then you're actually building up a population more able to withstand the virus."

Scientists said compiling data at the start of an epidemic was tricky, but warned that the figures could be preventing proper understanding of the epidemic.

Professor Robert Dingwall, of Nottingham Trent University, who sits on the Government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group, which feeds into Sage, said: "It may be very difficult to go back now and recalculate the early data.

"But we should certainly be aware that it may have led to some exaggeration of the number of Covid hospital admissions and related deaths early on and it may partially explain the lower numbers that we are now seeing – although other factors are probably contributing more to the recent decline in both deaths and admissions."

Professor Stephen Powis, the National Medical Director of NHS England said: "It is completely untrue to claim there has been any ambiguity in the data on Covid positive hospital inpatients.

"For the safety of both patients and staff it is obviously sensible and important that NHS trusts monitor and track data on patients in their hospitals that have Covid, whether admitted as a Covid patient or for another condition.

"The instructions to hospitals in England have not fundamentally changed since the start of the pandemic, with updated advice to hospitals being published as scientific evidence has developed, as hospitals and Sage requested further advice, and as the availability of testing has become more widespread.

"Data on hospital admissions, people in hospital with Covid and people on mechanical ventilation in England, were published and presented daily at the Downing Street press conferences, along with clear and transparent explanations online, including, for example, clarification that some admissions in devolved administrations had to be reclassified and included suspected and not just confirmed cases.

"Throughout the pandemic, we have worked with Sage and follow their advice to ensure data is collected in a manner that supports their important work, including through mutually agreed changes to existing guidance."[\quote]
 

"Millennia of patriarchy have resulted in a male-dominated world with a male-dominated culture which damages everyone - women, men, girls & boys."

... says the organization whose peacekeepers rape pretty much anything with a vagina and a pulse.


She had been orphaned by a brutal conflict, but the 14-year-old Congolese girl found refuge in a camp protected by United Nations peacekeepers.

The camp should have been safe the day she was raped. A delegation from the U.N. was paying a visit, and her grandmother had left her in charge of her siblings. That was the day, the girl says, that a Pakistani peacekeeper slipped inside their home and assaulted her in front of the other children.

But that was not the end of her story. Even though she reported the rape, the girl never got any help from the U.N. She did become pregnant, however, and had a baby.


UN rights officers have so far interviewed 108 alleged victims, "the vast majority" of whom are under-age girls who were raped, sexually abused or exploited by foreign troops, he said.

UN teams received accounts that troops from France's Sangaris force coerced girls to engage in bestiality in return for small amounts of money.

AIDS-Free World, a civil society group that tracks peacekeeper sex abuse cases, said three girls told a UN rights officer that in 2014 they were tied up and undressed by a Sangaris commander inside a camp and forced to have sex with a dog.
 
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