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Well, you're probably a slow reader?woman I can barely keep up on this thread and I live on my own.
I have a genius IQ. I can read one paragraph in less than 10 seconds.
I can type 95 WPM, not that hard for me
You say too much time with your kids is unhealthy but that is one extreme. The other extreme is plonking them in front of video games and getting them to play that, and telling them mommy's busy getting into internet arguments when they start screaming for attention which I strongly suspect is the case
You know the song about the cats in the cradle? You spend so little time socialising with them they'll drift off onto their own life then when you're older your kids won't have time for you... Or your cult
My children get plenty of attention from me. I feel no guilt
And you spent just as much time here before you gave birth
Yes, in my last trimester. When it's important to put your legs up so your veins don't swell.
I take several internet breaks throughout the day: on the toilet, in fast food lines, in bank lines, waiting for my children to buckle up. I check email, read the news, etc.
you say you study the torah why not do that with your fellow cultists? Why not make text wall arguments with them online? Talk via video feed, things like that?
Why are you assuming I dont?
we made it every netzarims business yet strangely only you are here...
Don't assume other Netzarim and Messianics aren't lurking this thread. No further comment.
Don't drop the Cathar argument either. Answer that one first.
I already answered you. I answered with a question.
Find me somewhere where it says women specifically can have concubines or multiple husbands.
Firstly, to address the manner of your question. In The Torah it says that we are not only to follow the commands of YHWH, it says we are to follow the principles, judgments, rulings and commissions as well. That is Deut. 11:1. So, what we are to obey that Elohim has written is not only the affirmative commands like "thou shalt..." but also principles like "for this reason a man must leave his father and mother...".
In The Torah the principle is that two people marry and cleave together, for life. "For this reason a man must leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife". So ideally, two virgins meet and they stay married in a strictly monogamous relationship their entire lives.
However, since Elohim is well aware that humans can choose to sin, or they die, They have created instructions in The Torah for navigating sin. There are several situations in which someone may lose a spouse due to (a) excommunication from the community, or (b) death. In these situations, the remaining spouse is free to re-marry another Israelite. However, if someone divorces an Israelite with no just cause, and remarries another Israelite, then that is Adultery.
(A) The following The Torah says are valid forms of divorce that allow a woman to re-marry:
1. When she divorces because her spouse commits any of the sins which The Torah says that a person must be excommunicated permanently from the community, including the person who sins with a "high hand" (Numb. 15:30-31)
2. If a woman married a Goy, then she must repent by divorcing him (Deut. 7:3)
3. A virgin girl that lays with a man but her parent(s) refuse(s) to allow the marriage (Ex. 22:16)
(B) The following The Torah says are valid forms of death that allow a woman to re-marry another Israelite:
1. Any of the sins which The Torah says that a person must be stoned to death, including the person whose spouse falls into idolatry and is stoned to death (Deut. 13:7-11(12))
2. The woman whose spouse dies and leaves her childless (Gen. 38; Deut. 25:5-10)
3. Widows
(C) Concubines
According to The Torah, a marriage is made by two things: (1) consensual sex and (2) sharing (a) dwelling(s). See for example, Isaac and Rebekah who got "married" (made a Covenant) by Isaac taking her into his tent and having consensual sex (Gen. 24:67).
Concubines are those that:
(a) have sex in a committed monogamous relationship, but don't share a dwelling of any sort on a regular basis. It is a different kind of Covenant. It isn't considered a full marriage because they don't share a dwelling. The English equivalent is like "boyfriend", "girlfriend". Abraham and Jacob had concubines in The Torah and the women did not call them "husband" in return.
(OR)
(b) they live with a man as ba'al, but they are not having sex.
Essentially, one of the two components of marriage is missing: (a) the sex or (b) the dwelling together.
" When David arrived at his palace in Yerushalayim, the king took the ten women who were his concubines, whom he had left to care for the palace, and put them under guard. He provided for their needs but never slept with them" (2 Sam. 20:3)
(D) Can men be concubines?
According to The Torah, every principle of fair treatment that exists for one gender, equally exists for the other gender. The gender equality principle exists in The Torah:
"“You are not to have in your pack two sets of weights, one heavy, the other light. You are not to have in your house two sets of measures, one big, the other small. You are to have a correct and fair weight, and you are to have a correct and fair measure, so that you will prolong your days in the land Adonai your Elohim is giving you. For all who do such things, all who deal dishonestly, are destestable to Adonai your Elohim."
If you think this has only to do with trade and money, think again. This is what The Messiah said was a "measure" as well (the spiritual implication of this verse):
"For the way you judge others is how you will be judged — the measure with which you measure out will be used to measure to you." (Matthew 7:2)
"For the measure with which you measure out will be used to measure back to you!”" (Luke 6:3
Also, men appear as Concubines in the Book of Ezekiel.
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