Netflix's "Cuties" - The Preteen Sexual Objectification Equivalent of "Funny Games"

[mulliganfarmer]

I just got finished watching it, I'm going to try and not repeat anything that's already been said but in a nutshell, there's nothing that this film did that wasn't done better in the likes of Welcome to the Dollhouse, Palindromes, No Child of Mine, etc.

Spoiler: Spoilers for vague digusted ramblings

There are moments when you can see what this film should have been. The protag's little brother is cute and I'd watch a film about him just going about his little kid business.

There's probably something to be said for how the mother and aunt don't know what she's getting up to even though they live nearly on top of each other in a shoebox apartment that could have been profound.

There's a feminist quote that says the difference between conservative womanhood (a la Islam) vs liberal womanhood (represented here by twerking and slut drops) is the difference between being private property vs public property, and protag is rebelling against being one by going way too far in the other direction. That could have been interesting but they only briefly touched on it with the aunt talking about being engaged at the same age, they could have made that work with a protag that was a few years older.

There are a few moments in the last dance scene when the girls look very uncertain and embarrassed about what they're doing. That would have been good as a character choice but I get the feeling it was actually the actresses' real humiliation breaking through the acting.

At one point the girls complain to the protag that her posted crotch shot has made them targets for creeps wanting them to do the same thing. Ironic considering what the actresses are in for because of this film.

I like films that are uncomfortable, provocative watches, but this is that for the wrong reasons. There's a real visceral sense of wrongness seeing bodies that obviously pre-pubescent move the way adult woman do and it distracts from anything the movie gets even remotely right. Every time you can just tell the actresses weren't comfortable with the scene, and there are lots of these moments, you're not watching a work of fiction anymore, you're watching a child being groomed in real time. I've sat through documentaries about dying alcoholics that were less grim.

At least in Welcome to the Dollhouse, Heather Matazarro looked, dressed and acted like a twelve-year-old and in Palindromes all the provocative scenes were done with adult actresses pretending to be awkward teens.

Madolacenza is still worse, but only just.

 

[Ahriman]

Why do I keep hearing the same shit argument.

It's not even a discussion at this point.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Saw this clip of a review making the rounds on shitpost tier tweeter. thought yall would appreciate some free misery

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There are at least 50 jokes I could make with this guy.

And they all start with Chris Hansen saying "Take a seat. Take a seat right over there"

 

[AnOminous]

There's even a double standard I've noticed that degeneracy is only okay for some people. White women fucking dogs? Awesome, love knows no boundaries ya biggit! Man fucking a horse? GROSS, THAT GUY IS FUCKING SICK! Unless he's gay, then it's fine. Right until he dies from being ass rammed by a horse, then it's tragic.... except it's actually fucking hilarious when that happened.

If you're gonna be profligates at least be consistent.

It's fairly simple. It is barely even hypocrisy. They openly hate anything healthy and normal, so if it is something a person who is not an absolute degenerate would do and is sexual in any way, it is horrible and must be stamped out. However, the more deviant, degenerate, and disgusting it is, the more they like it. It never ends. There is no bottom with these people, no line, except that anything vanilla and innocent is to be destroyed.

 

[SwanDive]

I feel like there's an unfortunate irony surrounding the discourse of this film, at least from what I've observed. Let's say that what this film is trying to do by being so very upfront is to call attention to the issues of child sexualization in the most ostentatious way possible. The ironic part is that in doing so, it has in turn distracted from those issues, by instead attracting all potential malice onto itself.

Instead of having politicians propose the regulation and possible dismantlement of industries like child beauty pageants, you have senators calling for the movie to be removed from Netflix. And let's be honest, the real world analogues that the movie invokes are far more dangerous and damaging than the film set upon which it was produced.

Of course to say that this highlights some sort of double standard feels presumptuous to me. I think (I hope) that most people know that shit like child beauty pageants are fucked up in a lot of cases. But it seems like the film has failed to tap into that mentality and direct it towards any sort of social change. Perhaps by calling attention to such things, it violates a sort of "out of sight, out of mind" mentality that people have then struggled to reconcile. Maybe a documentary would have been a more apt way to present the topic, who knows?

I'll probably write a bit more after I get around to seeing the film, but these are just my impressions based on shit I've been seeing on social media.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I don't think the issue is the "typical right-wing outrage" but.....why in the fuck you have a movie of a little girl posting their privates and post it online...

 

[Lone Outsider]

The sooner people storm Hollywood and any other pedo stronghold to get rid of all the sick bastards, the sooner children's safety will improve. I never liked Children's Beauty Pageants because they sexuality minors in my books and Cuties just takes it up to eleven. When you look at France defending a niggeress pedo, is it really that surprising, given that they protected Roman Polanski and two of natives from there, Ghislaine Maxwell and Jean-Luc Brunel, had ties to Epstein. France is a pedo haven and America is coming dangerously close to becoming one in general as well.

All Cultural marxism has done is hurt children.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

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Why do I keep hearing the same shit argument.

It's not even a discussion at this point.

That argument makes even less sense in this case because at least with lolicon, if someone were using it as a "substitute" for real child porn (which I don't think a real pedophile would ever be satisfied with just cartoons but that's besides the point) then it could work because new material is constantly being produced, so you never get a tolerance/boredom effect.

If real pedos are jerking off to this movie, eventually they're gonna get bored and look for more shit. That would necessitate Pedowood making even more movies like this, thereby exploiting and traumatizing more children and completely nullifying the supposed good a movie like this would do because now you're just putting out "official" child porn.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Saw this clip of a review making the rounds on shitpost tier tweeter. thought yall would appreciate some free misery

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"They're pretty hot. And you can say what you want about me..... It's their fault"

That voice....
That face.....
That (((nose)))

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Whew lad.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1304587833584226305

 

[Pickle Dick]

Whew lad.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1304587833584226305

based surf mommy strikes again

still, why did she have to cuck to the dnc though : - (

 

[Ma_Hooty]

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Why do I keep hearing the same shit argument.

It's not even a discussion at this point.

I'm probably going to get gassed for this, but-

Spoiler: Art sperging

As someone who has arted all their life, I have a very difficult time on deciding where I stand with the loli/shota deal, to the point where I spent years trying to pick a side. You can't stop people from drawing/consuming the shit and honestly, I wonder how slippery the slope can be when it comes to banning art and entertainment, because then you get Patreon cracking down on lewd anime artists (doe-eyed, big titty women = little girls, I assume) and nothing good ever came from people/government cracking down on expressive media.
Plus, there's no actual child being harmed, it's fictional, and sorry, but I'd rather have the feds go after child trafficking rings, rapists and CP distributors than dudes who jerk it to the drawn porn they get monthly for $10 from some degenerate Onlyfans artist.

...But then there's the fact that art and media can affect a person's mind; can make someone sad, happy, angry- and it seems that it's getting easier to find people who can't separate fantasy from reality these days. Like I'm already disgusted by furfaggots who think zoo and cub is fine, because more often than not, they've already made the leap to the real world - why shouldn't that apply to drawn loli/shota, too? But then, animals are still seen as property and not things that can be exploited for money, so it's easier to harm a dog than harm a kid - until they don't get that rush anymore. But do pedos even care about the fictional shit? It's not what they want, they want the real deal, right?

It's really difficult, like I seem to be less skeeved out with people who say, "Yeah, I draw/write degenerate shit, but that doesn't mean I condone it" and don't rock the boat with their politics, compared to artists who use their art to push their degenerate agendas and gender politics. Those types of artists - the Shadmans and PK/GlitchedPuppets of the community -who draw fucked up shit and say equally fucked up shit while still having a fanbase that will hunt you down if you make trouble for their senpais, are the types I not only stay clear of, but will make their lives no easier by telling every newcomer to their circle that "Did you know Shad drew irl child pron" or "PK's explicitly said corrupting little boys with her degenerate furry art is a kink of hers".

I could go on with the internal back-and-forth I have whenever this topic comes up, but this post is getting a little too long for me lol.

TL;DR: As an artist, I believe in a person's freedom of expression when it comes to art and I don't try and call out those who draw questionable things if they don't rock the boat and keep it behind restrictions (as much as I frown upon what they draw), but once you get egotistical and loud about it while there's some real shady shit being thrown around about you (PurpleKecleon/GlitchedPuppet and Shadman are the go-to examples I use), that's when I say, "Nah man, I ain't associating with you just because you got thousands of followers or your art is pretty decent, impale yourself with a railroad spike."

 

[Higgins]

You know these same tastemakers, coastal elites, and pretentious film critics are gonna be very very quiet in about 10-15 years when the girls in this movie talk about how traumatized they were from being a part of it.

 

[Tovarisz]

I had a scary thought, if this movie is allowed to stand then we might as well prepare for a lot more "artistic" videos of way too young girls twerking or doing god knows what with some "you have to be le big brain to understand the artistic vision" context.

This is the proverbial foot in the door, if netflix can host this shit then everyone can host this shit because now there is precedent of a huge corporation being allowed to host borderline softcore cp and whether anyone likes it or not, it normalizes it.

People talk about how this movie checks boxes for "is it cp?" Test and it does and now there's a fcking asterisk of a precedent that can be used to get away with it.

 

[Jaimas]

I'm probably going to get gassed for this, but-

Spoiler: Art sperging

As someone who has arted all their life, I have a very difficult time on deciding where I stand with the loli/shota deal, to the point where I spent years trying to pick a side. You can't stop people from drawing/consuming the shit and honestly, I wonder how slippery the slope can be when it comes to banning art and entertainment, because then you get Patreon cracking down on lewd anime artists (doe-eyed, big titty women = little girls, I assume) and nothing good ever came from people/government cracking down on expressive media.
Plus, there's no actual child being harmed, it's fictional, and sorry, but I'd rather have the feds go after child trafficking rings, rapists and CP distributors than dudes who jerk it to the drawn porn they get monthly for $10 from some degenerate Onlyfans artist.

...But then there's the fact that art and media can affect a person's mind; can make someone sad, happy, angry- and it seems that it's getting easier to find people who can't separate fantasy from reality these days. Like I'm already disgusted by furfaggots who think zoo and cub is fine, because more often than not, they've already made the leap to the real world - why shouldn't that apply to drawn loli/shota, too? But then, animals are still seen as property and not things that can be exploited for money, so it's easier to harm a dog than harm a kid - until they don't get that rush anymore. But do pedos even care about the fictional shit? It's not what they want, they want the real deal, right?

It's really difficult, like I seem to be less skeeved out with people who say, "Yeah, I draw/write degenerate shit, but that doesn't mean I condone it" and don't rock the boat with their politics, compared to artists who use their art to push their degenerate agendas and gender politics. Those types of artists - the Shadmans and PK/GlitchedPuppets of the community -who draw fucked up shit and say equally fucked up shit while still having a fanbase that will hunt you down if you make trouble for their senpais, are the types I not only stay clear of, but will make their lives no easier by telling every newcomer to their circle that "Did you know Shad drew irl child pron" or "PK's explicitly said corrupting little boys with her degenerate furry art is a kink of hers".

I could go on with the internal back-and-forth I have whenever this topic comes up, but this post is getting a little too long for me lol.

TL;DR: As an artist, I believe in a person's freedom of expression when it comes to art and I don't try and call out those who draw questionable things if they don't rock the boat and keep it behind restrictions (as much as I frown upon what they draw), but once you get egotistical and loud about it while there's some real shady shit being thrown around about you (PurpleKecleon/GlitchedPuppet and Shadman are the go-to examples I use), that's when I say, "Nah man, I ain't associating with you just because you got thousands of followers or your art is pretty decent, impale yourself with a railroad spike."

I actually agree for the most part. I'm normally against anything that fucks with artistic freedom, and going "No, you can't draw this" is by and by a terrible precedent.

However, at the same time, we know why we can't tolerate this shit, and why so many websites have to ban it outright: No matter what artistic merit a subject may or may not have: it's not merely that it will be used as spank material by pedophiles, but that said pedophiles will use absolutely every single angle that possibly exists to push for normalization of their sick sexual pathologies.

Back when Loli and Shota were allowed on 4chan, there was a very rapid and very procedural process that directly led to moot banning it. Originally, it was allowed within reason but people found it distasteful. Within very short order, Pedos were flocking to threads with it and sharing the content, and soonafter, they were sharing actual CP using the precedent set by the non-offending content. Cue moot banning that shit immediately and the pedos endlessly complaining.

Similar played out on many other websites, like Furaffinity (with Cub Porn), Deviantart, and so on. It's bad enough when pedos go to innocuous content (often for children) and post perv content in the comments. Tolerating this content, for better or worse, is ultimately leaving the gate open for infinitely worse evils, and as the old saying goes, if you countenance a lesser evil, greater ones will try to slip in behind it.

 

[Ma_Hooty]

I actually agree for the most part. I'm normally against anything that fucks with artistic freedom, and going "No, you can't draw this" is by and by a terrible precedent.

However, at the same time, we know why we can't tolerate this shit, and why so many websites have to ban it outright: No matter what artistic merit a subject may or may not have: it's not merely that it will be used as spank material by pedophiles, but that said pedophiles will use absolutely every single angle that possibly exists to push for normalization of their sick sexual pathologies.

Back when Loli and Shota were allowed on 4chan, there was a very rapid and very procedural process that directly led to moot banning it. Originally, it was allowed within reason but people found it distasteful. Within very short order, Pedos were flocking to threads with it and sharing the content, and soonafter, they were sharing actual CP using the precedent set by the non-offending content. Cue moot banning that shit immediately and the pedos endlessly complaining.

Similar played out on many other websites, like Furaffinity (with Cub Porn), Deviantart, and so on. It's bad enough when pedos go to innocuous content (often for children) and post perv content in the comments. Tolerating this content, for better or worse, is ultimately leaving the gate open for infinitely worse evils, and as the old saying goes, if you countenance a lesser evil, greater ones will try to slip in behind it.

Fair points that I'll keep in mind next time this topic comes up in the future, it's interesting to hear about a site's history (wasn't a channer growing up lol) when it comes to issues like that. I'm currently majorly disconnected from social media in terms to my art accounts, so I may have apathy playing a part as well as missing some outtings of pedo artists (like actual child grooming and touching), which always blackpill me like a blow to the head.

 

[Atatata]

I actually agree for the most part. I'm normally against anything that fucks with artistic freedom, and going "No, you can't draw this" is by and by a terrible precedent.

However, at the same time, we know why we can't tolerate this shit, and why so many websites have to ban it outright: No matter what artistic merit a subject may or may not have: it's not merely that it will be used as spank material by pedophiles, but that said pedophiles will use absolutely every single angle that possibly exists to push for normalization of their sick sexual pathologies.

Back when Loli and Shota were allowed on 4chan, there was a very rapid and very procedural process that directly led to moot banning it. Originally, it was allowed within reason but people found it distasteful. Within very short order, Pedos were flocking to threads with it and sharing the content, and soonafter, they were sharing actual CP using the precedent set by the non-offending content. Cue moot banning that shit immediately and the pedos endlessly complaining.

Similar played out on many other websites, like Furaffinity (with Cub Porn), Deviantart, and so on. It's bad enough when pedos go to innocuous content (often for children) and post perv content in the comments. Tolerating this content, for better or worse, is ultimately leaving the gate open for infinitely worse evils, and as the old saying goes, if you countenance a lesser evil, greater ones will try to slip in behind it.

Loli is banned on 4chan? Lol I fucking wish.

Call me cynical, I can't see banning drawings as doing anything other than making an even more retarded version of the war on drugs, and look how that turned out.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Haha, I was completely fucking right. You can edit parts of this movie and it would 100% count as legal child pornography. You can take the most hardcore loli shit and it still wouldn't count, but 'Cuties' does. Fuck anyone defending this absolute dog shit. Pedophiles are masturbating to this shit and are going to open dance studios to 'own the alt-right' so 100% libtard parents will send their kids to these 'empowering' schools to get raped. Mark my fucking words.

It's fairly simple. It is barely even hypocrisy. They openly hate anything healthy and normal, so if it is something a person who is not an absolute degenerate would do and is sexual in any way, it is horrible and must be stamped out. However, the more deviant, degenerate, and disgusting it is, the more they like it. It never ends. There is no bottom with these people, no line, except that anything vanilla and innocent is to be destroyed.

Then why do they hate loli? Oh, they hate it because it isn't actually physically destroying a child's life. That's what gets them the hardest. Loli is all fake, they actually need to destroy and consume innocence otherwise they couldn't get an erection. All these people need to go up against the wall.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

How does this film comment at all on society’s sexualization of young girls if the girls being sexualized in the movie are presented to be doing so to rebel against a society that doesn’t want them to do that?

 

[AnOminous]

Haha, I was completely fucking right. You can edit parts of this movie and it would 100% count as legal child pornography.

I doubt the movie in its entirety would count, whether because "muh artistic merit" or something else, but I wouldn't be surprised if a supercut of pedobear's favorite moments would.